DII State Semifinal: Liberty Hill Panthers (14-0) vs. Celina Bobcats (11-3)

[gatordaze]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
I have a serious question for Celina - Does Craig James' son still play? Or has he graduated?

Yes and Yes

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by gatordaze
Yes and Yes

Where did he end up?

[OrangeChamps]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
I have a serious question for Celina - Does Craig James' son still play? Or has he graduated?

Both

[gatordaze]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Where did he end up?

He is a Senior #8 TE

[Runnin Panther]

Originally posted by gatordaze
Yes and Yes

Does he have two sons?

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by gatordaze
He is a Senior #8 TE

Ahh OK....Thanks.

[OrangeChamps]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
Does he have two sons?

The other is a TE at Tech

[firstcat]

Originally posted by ctown
Love that purple...just the right shade of a bulging hemorrhoid. :eek:

and just how many of those have you eyeballed???:thinking:

[gatordaze]

Originally posted by OrangeChamps
The other is a TE at Tech

I was making him work for it!

[OrangeChamps]

Originally posted by gatordaze
I was making him work for it!

I wanted to speed up the pace so we can get back to how bad Celina is going to handle up on them hillcats.

[ctown]

Originally posted by firstcat
and just how many of those have you eyeballed???:thinking:

You see enough child births, you'll see some hemorrhoids. At least here I get to see a bunch of babies without the mess. But yet you are still a bunch of wonderful babies.....cute little purple baby kitties cheering for the big Cats.

[alaskacat]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Division 1 is weak.

Well now LH_Tuff that must explain how you managed to win it all last year eh?:)


But then Div I is always weaker than Div II

[firstcat]

Originally posted by DDBooger
Any of you Liberty fans wear this? lol
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/lomfran/sex_panthercopy.jpg

The Liberty fans may...but we Liberty Hill fans don't.

[Runnin Panther]

Originally posted by alaskacat
Well now LH_Tuff that must explain how you managed to win it all last year eh?:)


But then Div I is always weaker than Div II

Am I going to have to say is again. Liberty Hill would have beaten Celina by a minimum of 3 TDs last year. There is no question about it. I'm sorry but thats the way it is.

[gatordaze]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
Am I going to have to say is again. Liberty Hill would have beaten Celina by a minimum of 3 TDs last year. There is no question about it. I'm sorry but thats the way it is.

Would you have held them scoreless or hung 50 on them to do that? Just curious...

[Runnin Panther]

Originally posted by gatordaze
Would you have held them scoreless or hung 50 on them to do that? Just curious...

Probably both. Again Sorry. :devil:

[OrangeChamps]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
Am I going to have to say is again. Liberty Hill would have beaten Celina by a minimum of 3 TDs last year. There is no question about it. I'm sorry but thats the way it is.

Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda, get back to the world of what happened and what didn't happen.

[alaskacat]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
Am I going to have to say is again. Liberty Hill would have beaten Celina by a minimum of 3 TDs last year. There is no question about it. I'm sorry but thats the way it is.

I knew we should have played that rubber game last year in the Texas Stadium parking lot after the season to answer that question....I guess Saturday will answer it, ..

State Final

Celina-Carthage

[gatordaze]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
Probably both. Again Sorry. :devil:

Don't be sorry, I was just trying to visualize 42-21 or 21-0 or 35-12 on last years team. I just can't seem to focus on any of those for last year. Maybe I thought more highly of our team than they deserved. You are probably correct.

[alaskacat]

72 hours till WW III

[gatordaze]

If we decide to tailgate should we worry that you guys are going to come over and take our food?

[OrangeChamps]

Originally posted by alaskacat
72 hours till WW III

I think you mean 96.

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by gatordaze
If we decide to tailgate should we worry that you guys are going to come over and take our food?

Only if you fumble some of it.

[gatordaze]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Only if you fumble some of it.

Then you saying we should maintain a firm grip on our weiners and burgers?

[75009Football]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
My point had nothing to do with how tough the teams were you guys played in the play-off I was answering a post that said ya’ll have pulled off at half on every team you have played this year and that we need to worry about your offense. I’m just saying I think we will be the best team ya’ll have came up against and you won’t be scoring 50 points or pulling off at half.

Aint no doubt about that one. Can we just forget about Sat and have'em suit up tonight and get it going now, wind in our sails and all?

[BobcatBenny]

Originally posted by LHexPlayer
Now you are coming around. By the end of the week we will have you in purple.:D Hey at least I didn't bring up the onsides kicks when up by 20 something;)
By the end of Saturday, you can change your signature picture to this! :D

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/BobcatBenny/LibertyHillPantha.jpg

[RPF2666]

Gotta let a good pot simmer some....wait for it, wait for it....

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by gatordaze
Would you have held them scoreless or hung 50 on them to do that? Just curious...

Probably not 50. We would have taken a knee.

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by alaskacat
I knew we should have played that rubber game last year in the Texas Stadium parking lot after the season to answer that question....I guess Saturday will answer it, ..

State Final

Celina-Carthage

Thanks for playing.

Liberty Hill-Giddings will play in the final.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Probably not 50. We would have taken a knee. lmao :clap:

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by BobcatBenny
By the end of Saturday, you can change your signature picture to this! :D

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/BobcatBenny/LibertyHillPantha.jpg

Yes. The scalps look good.

[rundoe]

Originally posted by pirate4state
I am going to point out the obvious because after reading the past few pages I am laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes!

The Celina folks are acting like the LH folks did 2 years ago and the LH folks are now actling like the Celina folks from 2 years ago!

:spitlol: :spitlol: HILARIOUS! :spitlol: :spitlol:

This year some of the Celina fans have toned it down some because of the 3 losses, but now that they are in the semis against a contender the gloves are off! Finally, one of their threads is getting some chattter. LOL

While I know more of the LH posters I call 'em like I see 'em and some of you are flirting ever so close and some have just crossed on over to the dark side!

Not that there is anything wrong with that....support your teams. God love ya!

I will continue to sit back and laugh at all this back & forth stuff until I need to step in. :D

:2thumbsup


I be cool. LH for the win.

[75009Football]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
I am hardly ever this over the top but the reason I have talked so much smack this week is because you guys have been playing that whole humility thing is getting really old and it’s not very believable. I been on this board for about 3 years now and I know how much smack Celina can lay out there. I just don’t understand why you guys are being so coy now?

RP you registered in 10-07 and probably read for a while before. You got going on the boards here after LH got going well. Most of the Celina posters are the same way, been readin before they started typin smack. Theyve been through the ups and some downs. Me, I've been readin for bout 5 and only typin for three. Youve just not been through a down yet on the boards. That crow, no matter much you lie, dont taste good. When LH gets a few losses under its belt and has to answer for them, you too will learn a little humility. Hope Celina gets to feed ya that crow cause it'd be fun.

[RPF2666]

Originally posted by 75009Football
RP you registered in 10-07 and probably read for a while before. You got going on the boards here after LH got going well. Most of the Celina posters are the same way, been readin before they started typin smack. Theyve been through the ups and some downs. Me, I've been readin for bout 5 and only typin for three. Youve just not been through a down yet on the boards. That crow, no matter much you lie, dont taste good. When LH gets a few losses under its belt and has to answer for them, you too will learn a little humility. Hope Celina gets to feed ya that crow cause it'd be fun.

Here, here!
:clap:

[75009Football]

Originally posted by gatordaze
I have a couple of big 8th graders that could maybe run scout team for you in a few years. Hows the job market down there?

Hey guys, tap the brake a bit here. I know some folks in Prosper needing jobs that we should probably send first!!!

[75009Football]

Originally posted by BobcatBenny
Ha ha ha ha.


It is an offensive system :)



Benny, why are you calling their system offensive?

[Electus Unus]

The winner of this game will be whoever stops the run game of the other. I will take Liberty Hill 21-17 and it will come down to the 4th quarter!

[RPF2666]

Originally posted by 75009Football
Hey guys, tap the brake a bit here. I know some folks in Prosper needing jobs that we should probably send first!!!

Now don't go stealin' coachkiss' intro...

[martwayne]

liberty hill is going to make it 3 in a row in this game they win


LH 48
Celina 28

[RPF2666]

Originally posted by Electus Unus
The winner of this game will be whoever stops the run game of the other. I will take Liberty Hill 21-17 and it will come down to the 4th quarter!

Sticking your neck out, there...

The difference is we don't have to run. Make no mistake, we will, but we can throw when we want to, not just when we have to.

Honestly, if I were LH, the first time I had the ball, I'd throw it, just to make sure each of the Celina 11 is locked into their responsibility...

[RPF2666]

Originally posted by martwayne
liberty hill is going to make it 3 in a row in this game they win


LH 48
Celina 28

Knowone is going to score 48 in this game (if Celina gets that close, we'll get 50!)

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by RPF2666
Knowone is going to score 48 in this game (if Celina gets that close, we'll get 50!)

Planning on going for 2?

[RPF2666]

Thought we wouldn't?

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by RPF2666
Thought we wouldn't?

Guess the kicker will have his coat on by then?

[martwayne]

watch what u say they will jump on ya'll quick and put the game outta reach

[RPF2666]

Actually, if we get in a blowout situation (which I don't expect)
we would take a knee. Too much respect for LH and their accomplushments

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by RPF2666
Actually, if we get in a blowout situation (which I don't expect)
we would take a knee. Too much respect for LH and their accomplushments

Believe me, the only knee Celina will take will be in prayer. :p

[Electus Unus]

Originally posted by RPF2666
Sticking your neck out, there...

The difference is we don't have to run. Make no mistake, we will, but we can throw when we want to, not just when we have to.

Honestly, if I were LH, the first time I had the ball, I'd throw it, just to make sure each of the Celina 11 is locked into their responsibility... If LH forces you guys to pass a lot then they will win. Make no mistake about it LH has given up some yards through the air defensively but their DB's are coming on strong and stepped up big time last week. Also adding that if you guys can't stop their rushing attack then it will be a long night for you. If this game is close at the half you guys could very well win the game but if LH is up by 2 scores then that could be the ball game.


One thing to keep an eye on is the conditioning of the Celina Bobcats. If they are well conditioned and trained then LH may have a hard time controlling the ball and clock in the second half.

[RPF2666]

our young men are conditioned appropriately...this game will be one to tell your kids about, no matter what happens.

12,000 people in an 8,000 seat stadium will be electric...I just hope the fire marshall stays away...

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
LHPM has any of these teams been in the top 20 this year?
I can't get to my spread sheet right now, but off the top of my head, Pleasant Grove was at least DL top 25 for 2-3 weeks, if not more, ending the season at # 23. I think Van might have been top 25, but I'm not positive.

[c bobcats run]

LH. You all are just big stupid heads.

There that should end all discussion

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by RPF2666
our young men are conditioned appropriately...this game will be one to tell your kids about, no matter what happens.

12,000 people in an 8,000 seat stadium will be electric...I just hope the fire marshall stays away...

Any team that gets this far will be well conditioned. Execution will be key to the game (for 4 qtrs). It should be a good one no doubt.

[RPF2666]

I agree and have had fun jousting with you today...

I hope for a clean injury free....GREAT...game...

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by c bobcats run
LH. You all are just big stupid heads.

There that should end all discussion

Well, that ends it for me. :vrycnfsd: :vrycnfsd:

[75009Football]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Take a knee. ;)

With 3 minutes left?

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
Haven't been keeping up with Celina lately other than final playoff scores. How have they been running up the big scores in the playoffs---long runs, long passes or just driving?

Yes as a matter of fact.

[75009Football]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
I believe LH went into Victory formation with about 1:30 left last week.

Celina had started putting in its subs after half.

[75009Football]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
The good ones seem to follow us.

We went DII last year.

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by 75009Football
Celina had started putting in its subs after half.

That is good for the kids. Thank goodness Region 2 was so weak.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by RPF2666
our young men are conditioned appropriately...this game will be one to tell your kids about, no matter what happens.

12,000 people in an 8,000 seat stadium will be electric...I just hope the fire marshall stays away... yep we read all about the conditioning tactics in Celina.

Something about shards of glass and bear claws! :thinking: :eek:

lmao

[75009Football]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
Celina could not have stayed on the field with last years team.

Prove it.

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by 75009Football
We went DII last year.

Yes. And I am sure you are still saying thanks to that Bobcat shrine in the garage.

[CelinaTurf]

Where is the BIG GREEN ALIEN MONSTER that used to take up way too much space both on this site and in this atmosphere?

[75009Football]

Originally posted by gatordaze
Are any of your underclassman leaving early?

Only the ones that did'nt pass. But they got more from the Austin area to fill the void.

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by 75009Football
Only the ones that did'nt pass.

Looking for a QB?

[RPF2666]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Yes. And I am sure you are still saying thanks to that Bobcat shrine in the garage.

Saturday....last year is done...

[75009Football]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
Am I going to have to say is again. Liberty Hill would have beaten Celina by a minimum of 3 TDs last year. There is no question about it. I'm sorry but thats the way it is.

Prove it.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
Am I going to have to say is again. Liberty Hill would have beaten Celina by a minimum of 3 TDs last year. There is no question about it. I'm sorry but thats the way it is. Prove itr or is this just more gum bumpin and lip flappin? When did we play?

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by Electus Unus
One thing to keep an eye on is the conditioning of the Celina Bobcats. If they are well conditioned and trained then LH may have a hard time controlling the ball and clock in the second half.


Originally posted by 75009Football
Celina had started putting in its subs after half.
How many games in the playoffs have the JV & subs been in? I know conditioning is going to be huge, and I'm sure that the Celina kids are well conditioned. But with the coasting that's been going on the past few weeks, it makes me wonder if they're ready for full speed ahead all four quarters. :thinking:

[CelinaTurf]

Is that testicular diseases? or is that thyroid disorders? Either way, I agree!!!

[75009Football]

Originally posted by BobcatBenny
By the end of Saturday, you can change your signature picture to this! :D

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/BobcatBenny/LibertyHillPantha.jpg

OMG, OMG, OMG. That did it. Benny, you win. Game over.

[pirate4state]

:blahblah: :blahblah:

Some of you Celina folks act like yall didn't go on & on about "the game that never was" and what the outcome would have been.

ALSO...

I think EACH team has accomplished enough THIS YEAR, that you don't have to resort to using "imaginary games" to talk smack. :rolleyes:

*yawn*

[OrangeChamps]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
How many games in the playoffs have the JV & subs been in? I know conditioning is going to be huge, and I'm sure that the Celina kids are well conditioned. But with the coasting that's been going on the past few weeks, it makes me wonder if they're ready for full speed ahead all four quarters. :thinking:

LMAO are you kidding?? Celina has been to state seven of the last 10 years. I'm pretty sure the coaching staff knows how to keep the kids in shape.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
How many games in the playoffs have the JV & subs been in? I know conditioning is going to be huge, and I'm sure that the Celina kids are well conditioned. But with the coasting that's been going on the past few weeks, it makes me wonder if they're ready for full speed ahead all four quarters. :thinking: Why would that be an issue?:p

[charlesrixey]

i for one am not worried about conditioning, i am worried about experience

[75009Football]

Originally posted by Electus Unus
If LH forces you guys to pass a lot then they will win. Make no mistake about it LH has given up some yards through the air defensively but their DB's are coming on strong and stepped up big time last week. Also adding that if you guys can't stop their rushing attack then it will be a long night for you. If this game is close at the half you guys could very well win the game but if LH is up by 2 scores then that could be the ball game.


One thing to keep an eye on is the conditioning of the Celina Bobcats. If they are well conditioned and trained then LH may have a hard time controlling the ball and clock in the second half.

E Unus, LH'd DB's coming around, Pffff. The only way they beat BP was becaus they held the ball the entire 3rd quarter. Dont think Celina and its balanced O will let that happen. It'll be a fight to the finish.

Now, your second thought there may gain some legs and run. Just like LH's backs, Celina's like to get the ball and run, the more the merrier. Couple that with the passing ability of Celina and you got a good point.

[CelinaCatFan]

Wow..I must say this thread has picked up the pace since I last visited. While I'm not sure what will happen on Saturday, I know I will be there supporting our players and coaches. We are proud of you and believe in you!

[OrangeChamps]

Originally posted by charlesrixey
i for one am not worried about conditioning, i am worried about experience

C'mon Rixey, you know better than that. The first year guys have a full year under their belt now, including 4 playoff games, and more big games than any Celina team has faced prior. That's not to mention two 16 game seasons for the vets. I'd say experience matches up pretty evenly on both sides.

[75009Football]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
That is good for the kids. Thank goodness Region 2 was so weak.

That's why they keep us there.

[CelinaTurf]

Originally posted by kepdawg
Could someone from Celina explain the philosophy of pooch kicking almost every kickoff? I think the only times they don't pooch kick is when they onside kick. It seems to me with the talent and sound fundamental play Celina has they would kick deep. It seems odd to me they are willing to give up the yardage on kickoffs.

I got this one...

It's because the kicker get's a piece of pie every time he gets the ball to land at the 42 yard line, 6.27 feet inside the side line. Other players have similar rewards, for example Troy, Charlie and Cody get an entire stick of gum for runs of 28.7336 yards, 41.908 yards and 77.262 yards. Awesome isn't it???

You may not know this, but us Celina folk have our own BOBCAT Satellite focused on the football field taking measurements to see who gets how many slices of pie or sticks of gum.

I won't tell you all the incentives we have for our players, but be sure they're all equally impressive... and tasty.

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by CelinaTurf
I got this one...

It's because the kicker get's a piece of pie every time he gets the ball to land at the 42 yard line, 6.27 feet inside the side line. Other players have similar rewards, for example Troy, Charlie and Cody get an entire stick of gum for runs of 28.7336 yards, 41.908 yards and 77.262 yards. Awesome isn't it???

You may not know this, but us Celina folk have our own BOBCAT Satellite focused on the football field taking measurements to see who gets how many slices of pie or sticks of gum.

I won't tell you all the incentives we have for our players, but be sure they're all equally impressive... and tasty.

:clap: :clap:

[Electus Unus]

Originally posted by 75009Football
E Unus, LH'd DB's coming around, Pffff. The only way they beat BP was becaus they held the ball the entire 3rd quarter. Dont think Celina and its balanced O will let that happen. It'll be a fight to the finish.
Liberty Hill held the Bulls to 0 second half points including holding Cameron Green, who passed for 239 yards in the first half, threw for only 50 yards in the second half and 2 interceptions. Green is one of the best quarterbacks I have seen this year and I don't think Celina has a QB who is on his level.

[75009Football]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Yes. And I am sure you are still saying thanks to that Bobcat shrine in the garage.

Not at all. Hoped yall would have come joined us. But alas, you kept recruting all the masses from Austin to the point you did not have to face Celina in the playoffs again. Till now!

[Panther One]

Originally posted by Electus Unus
Liberty Hill held the Bulls to 0 second half points including holding Cameron Green, who passed for 239 yards in the first half, threw for only 50 yards in the second half and 2 interceptions. Green is one of the best quarterbacks I have seen this year and I don't think Celina has a QB who is on his level.
Do not bring facts into this argument.

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by 75009Football
Not at all. Hoped yall would have come joined us. But alas, you kept recruting all the masses from Austin to the point you did not have to face Celina in the playoffs again. Till now!

Well, DII sounded boring last year. We wanted to have one from both divisions. Misson accomplished. Time for repeat. :D

[75009Football]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
How many games in the playoffs have the JV & subs been in? I know conditioning is going to be huge, and I'm sure that the Celina kids are well conditioned. But with the coasting that's been going on the past few weeks, it makes me wonder if they're ready for full speed ahead all four quarters. :thinking:

14 games into the season and Butch aint whipped them boys into shape yet. I'm calling Butch right now.

[75009Football]

Originally posted by 75009Football
14 games into the season and Butch aint whipped them boys into shape yet. I'm calling Butch right now.

Mr. Ford wanted me to explain to all you nice folks that that should not be a problem so not to worry about that any longer.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by Panther One
Do not bring facts into this argument.

On his level doing what? Throwing a pigskin in an offense designed for him to throw? Or lead an offense down the field? I would say Cody is imminently his equal at the latter.

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by 75009Football
Mr. Ford wanted me to explain to all you nice folks that that should not be a problem so not to worry about that any longer.

You mean practice is already over tonight?

[OrangeChamps]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
You mean practice is already over tonight?

First practice yes, second practice starts in 1 hour.

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by OrangeChamps
First practice yes, second practice starts in 1 hour.

Let me guess. Kicking game and 2 point conversions?

[OrangeChamps]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Let me guess. Kicking game and 2 point conversions?

Nah that's 5 a.m. for the kicker and the JV.

[75009Football]

Originally posted by Electus Unus
Liberty Hill held the Bulls to 0 second half points including holding Cameron Green, who passed for 239 yards in the first half, threw for only 50 yards in the second half and 2 interceptions. Green is one of the best quarterbacks I have seen this year and I don't think Celina has a QB who is on his level.

Come on, get real. How many tosses did he have in the second half when he had a chance to actually affect the outcome of the game, 5? The rest were after you had put it away. Throw one INT and yall run it in for a TD 3 yards at a time. Throw another and LH does it again. He was not even a factor cause he did not even throw a pass hardly. You wont do that to the balanced O of Celina. All you had to do was figure out what that thing in the air was (a pass) and you did (for a half) ONLY A HALF, remember that ONLY A HALF. I can only hope you play decent D for three quarters of the game instead of just a HALF like last week. If you give Celina even one quarter like you did in the first half of last week and you will go down hard.

[Panther One]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
On his level doing what? Throwing a pigskin in an offense designed for him to throw? Or lead an offense down the field? I would say Cody is imminently his equal at the latter.
I was referring to his comment about shutting them out in the second half and holding them to under 50 total yards, but I do think Green is a better passer; not based on stats, just watching them throw.

The Celina fans are singing the same song as two years ago, when you thought our defense wasn't good enough to stop your offense. Our defense, particularly our run defense, has improved greatly since then, and from what I've seen, the Celina O-line is not what it was in 2006. Maybe you're just hoping you can pass on us because you know you just might have to resort to that.

[75009Football]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
You mean practice is already over tonight?

Course not.

[CelinaProud]

Well some things just don't change.

C'mon can't we all just wait and see, without pee-ing on long standing traditions, and er...um...each other?

Celina and LH are both exceptional, powerhouse teams and one of them will be a state champ again this year. At least that's where my money lies. Saturday will be one hard fought, hard won game. GO BOBCATS!!!

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by gatordaze
Then you saying we should maintain a firm grip on our weiners and burgers?

Of course...but you'll need to keep a firmr grip on your onions come kick off time!

[All out CAT]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
Every now and then something GREAT comes from a drunken stooper. :D

I shall reframe from any further comment.:devil:

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by c bobcats run
LH. You all are just big stupid heads.

There that should end all discussion

He has a point....

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by OrangeChamps
Nah that's 5 a.m. for the kicker and the JV.

So the kicker practices with his jacket on?

[OrangeChamps]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
So the kicker practices with his jacket on?

Depends on if the score is 48.

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by OrangeChamps
Depends on if the score is 48.

Must be one heck of a kicker if he scored 48 on the JV.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Must be one heck of a kicker if he scored 48 on the JV. Come on Hand. Where's Doe Doe tonight?

[OrangeChamps]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Must be one heck of a kicker if he scored 48 on the JV.

Impressive huh?? They flash a sign with 22-19 on it and he goes crazy. Don't think we'll get caught in that situation again!!

[MN95]

Originally posted by kepdawg
So Celina, like almost every other team in the state, is scared of the return man.

This is my 5th season watching Celina football. I can't remember seeing a single kickoff returned for a touchdown. I do remember LOTS of wins.

If it ain't broke........................

[BobcatBenny]

Originally posted by pirate4state
yep we read all about the conditioning tactics in Celina.

Something about shards of glass and bear claws! :thinking: :eek:

lmao
No wonder I am so freakin' fat! I have been conditioning with bear claws just like the Bobcats. :D

http://www.aldenteblog.com/images/2008/07/24/bearclaw.jpg

Darn those bear claws!!! :mad:

[WylieBulldog92]

Originally posted by BobcatBenny
No wonder I am so freakin' fat! I have been conditioning with bear claws just like the Bobcats. :D

http://www.aldenteblog.com/images/2008/07/24/bearclaw.jpg

Darn those bear claws!!! :mad:
I read this thread for the first time in a while by clicking the last page and this is what I get?

LOL

[bobcat1]

See what happened last time we tried using Panther genes in our Bobcats.
http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/black_bobcat_2.jpg
So don't asked about recruiting anymore.

[ctown]

Originally posted by Electus Unus
Liberty Hill held the Bulls to 0 second half points including holding Cameron Green, who passed for 239 yards in the first half, threw for only 50 yards in the second half and 2 interceptions. Green is one of the best quarterbacks I have seen this year and I don't think Celina has a QB who is on his level.

OK Electric Anus, the gig is up. You uncovered our achilles heal. We have a darn good quarterback and we have 3 or 4 other guys who can throw, so once again, I wouldn't try to make player to player comps from other teams. All I can say is ya'll need to look at Celina as a unit threat, not individual skills.

[OldBison75]

It just amazes me that every week we hear the same argument, might be worded a little different, but still the SOS---LH a'int seen the type athletes and teamwork we have this year. Well, I bet LH has seen them--Bridgeport was pretty good, Abilene Wylie was pretty good, Sweetwater was pretty good, Brownwood has a damned good offense. Giddings ain't no slouch either. If your gonna talk smack, find a fact that is measurable instead of just cause we're Celina. Last week, Last month, Last year, or ten years ago won't play this week. This week, you will have to prove yourselfs against arguably the best team in 3A for the last few years--can you handle it and why?

[Keystonepride]

Originally posted by ctown
Electric Anus

lol...

[Come on]

Originally posted by OldBison75
It just amazes me that every week we hear the same argument, might be worded a little different, but still the SOS---LH a'int seen the type athletes and teamwork we have this year. Well, I bet LH has seen them--Bridgeport was pretty good, Abilene Wylie was pretty good, Sweetwater was pretty good, Brownwood has a damned good offense. Giddings ain't no slouch either. If your gonna talk smack, find a fact that is measurable instead of just cause we're Celina. Last week, Last month, Last year, or ten years ago won't play this week. This week, you will have to prove yourselfs against arguably the best team in 3A for the last few years--can you handle it and why?

That about says it all.
BLUE 200!

[ctown]

Originally posted by OldBison75
It just amazes me that every week we hear the same argument, might be worded a little different, but still the SOS---LH a'int seen the type athletes and teamwork we have this year. Well, I bet LH has seen them--Bridgeport was pretty good, Abilene Wylie was pretty good, Sweetwater was pretty good, Brownwood has a damned good offense. Giddings ain't no slouch either. If your gonna talk smack, find a fact that is measurable instead of just cause we're Celina. Last week, Last month, Last year, or ten years ago won't play this week. This week, you will have to prove yourselfs against arguably the best team in 3A for the last few years--can you handle it and why?

All you guys wanna do is say "look at how you Celina boys haven't played anybody" or you say, "your QB is this" or "your Dline is that" or "your running back isn't as good as so and so". You want something measurable. Go get a roster with weights for both teams and measure em out. Tell us how we don't have a chance. Go do the same for all our championships past and you will say the same without looking at the results. Compare you little records from all your teams you wanna cry about not being here cause you didn't get to be in Region II. Well Mr. Buffalo, Region II has been working just great for us for years. Guess you'll want a taint placed on all our records.

All those teams you named off aren't playing cause guess what? They didn't measure up either. So you want to measure something, go measure heart. Truth is you won't know the measure of it till late Saturday. So pardon us for giving you nothing to work with. We will keep our arrogance and confidence in our kids and you keep yours in your team wherever they find themselves this weekend. They don't pick winners and losers of games down individual player lines, or units for offense and defense. Either the whole team wins or they loose. Everyone of you Celina haters points to all the evidence that by all rights says we should loose but we still say to H-E double L with all of ya cause we plan on winning and won't change until the score tells us different.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Believe me, the only knee Celina will take will be in prayer. :p

While I think you are intending to be funny I am extremely grateful that I can be associated with a town and team that will openly take that knee and give thanks or pray for another fallen player. It is things like this that truly make Celina football the best in Texas irrespective of wins and losses. You can talk smack all you want about the game and who should win but you cannot
take away the fine examples these young men set for the youth that watch every weekend and strive to follow in their footsteps. The coaches and players should be commended.

[Come on]

Originally posted by ctown
All you guys wanna do is say "look at how you Celina boys haven't played anybody" or you say, "your QB is this" or "your Dline is that" or "your running back isn't as good as so and so". You want something measurable. Go get a roster with weights for both teams and measure em out. Tell us how we don't have a chance. Go do the same for all our championships past and you will say the same without looking at the results. Compare you little records from all your teams you wanna cry about not being here cause you didn't get to be in Region II. Well Mr. Buffalo, Region II has been working just great for us for years. Guess you'll want a taint placed on all our records.

All those teams you named off aren't playing cause guess what? They didn't measure up either. So you want to measure something, go measure heart. Truth is you won't know the measure of it till late Saturday. So pardon us for giving you nothing to work with. We will keep our arrogance and confidence in our kids and you keep yours in your team wherever they find themselves this weekend. They don't pick winners and losers of games down individual player lines, or units for offense and defense. Either the whole team wins or they loose. Everyone of you Celina haters points to all the evidence that by all rights says we should loose but we still say to H-E double L with all of ya cause we plan on winning and won't change until the score tells us different. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[OldBison75]

ctown, I don't know who got your thong all pulled up, but I just said that these threads about LH and the current opponent always follow the same pattern. AND, LH might not have played Celina this year yet, but the teams they have faced that I named have much the same offensive stats that Celina does. Has Celina played a tougher schedule than them, MAYBE SO. That was not the point of my post. The game is played on the field and not in these threads---by 15-18 year old young men. They are by nature unpredictable and often have the ability to perform amazing feats of sports prowess. Likewise, they can also fall flat on their faces when it is least expected.

What I would like to really hear from you fans in Celina and Liberty Hill is what strengths you have that you feel will work against the opponent. What weaknesses does your team have to bolster up this week to be successful against the other team?

As for how many years someone has won before and playoff recoeds and that crap, that is only good for bragging, it won't amount to a single point in the actual game. LH has been at the top the last three years, maybe it was in a different division than you, but it still equals three trophies. Celina has been playing the last week those years too and it could easily be said that they are the equal of LH over these years. Who knows!!!

This weeks game is a battle between the defending champions from the two division of 3A from last year, The teams are not the same ones that played last year and can't live on last years fame. Let the kids play the game and the best team win. As for us posters, talk smack if you want, but talk about this year and this game and quit living in the past.

By the way, I don't live in either town and my team did not play either team this year. I don't have a dog in this fight. I am a fan that would like honest input about the assessment of each team this year and what each feels they can do to win. Is that fair enough?

[ctown]

Bison, you'll have to understand that with all the other talk on here, it sounded like a calling out which may not have had the same intent you wrote with. All I am saying is that there is little to state why we should win that is based on measures in our favor. We can't use scores this year because they aren't against good enough teams. We lost 3 games earlier this year, albeit to two teams still going in the playoffs. If you need facts or concrete then go ahead and pick us to loose. The only thing I can say is that this group of kids is unique among many great Celina teams. They are winning for different reasons and in a way different from the past. Logic would say they are at a disadvantage but football isn't always about logic.

[garciap77]

Originally posted by BobcatBenny
No wonder I am so freakin' fat! I have been conditioning with bear claws just like the Bobcats. :D

http://www.aldenteblog.com/images/2008/07/24/bearclaw.jpg

Darn those bear claws!!! :mad:

You not fat Benny! You look just fine:

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/FatCa2t.jpg
;)

[garciap77]

Originally posted by BobcatBenny
By the end of Saturday, you can change your signature picture to this! :D

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/BobcatBenny/LibertyHillPantha.jpg

LOL

[OldBison75]

Fair enough ctown, but I have never seen this Celina team play and want to know something about them. What are the strengths and weaknesses. Three loses early in the season might not mean anything in the long run. I don't know what happened in the losses, injuries, etc. But I do know that what really matters is how they play this week. If you were trying to sell me on the why I should be a Celina fan any week in the playoffs, besides saying you have won every week so far, what would you tell me to watch for?

Oh, by the way, I have talked to friends that have seen Celina and know that they can be dominating but were inconsistent and still trying to find their niche in the eaqrly season. I also know that Celina will always be one of the best coached and best disciplined teams in the state. Tha reputation has been arounf for a long time and I don't see that changing.

[MN95]

Originally posted by OldBison75
It just amazes me that every week we hear the same argument, might be worded a little different, but still the SOS---LH a'int seen the type athletes and teamwork we have this year. Well, I bet LH has seen them--Bridgeport was pretty good, Abilene Wylie was pretty good, Sweetwater was pretty good, Brownwood has a damned good offense. Giddings ain't no slouch either. If your gonna talk smack, find a fact that is measurable instead of just cause we're Celina. Last week, Last month, Last year, or ten years ago won't play this week. This week, you will have to prove yourselfs against arguably the best team in 3A for the last few years--can you handle it and why?

What would you like us to say exactly? Should we agree with the LH posts that we don't have a chance? Are they giving us "measurables" when they tout their team? It's all just conjecture/opinion until the game is played.

By the way, speaking of schedule.....I'm not too familiar with Massey's ratings, but doesn't it show our schedule ranked tougher than theirs? Am I wrong about that?

[MN95]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Believe me, the only knee Celina will take will be in prayer. :p

If you have ever watched us play, you know that we do this routinely when an opposing player is hurt on the field. Is that what you are predicting?

[Come on]

Wow, this is Boring. I can't waite until Saturday to get this over with!

BLUE 200!

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by MN95
If you have ever watched us play, you know that we do this routinely when an opposing player is hurt on the field. Is that what you are predicting?
No one was talking about injuries!

[OldBison75]

MN95, I have seen LH play and know what they have. I just was asking what I can expect from Celina. I am not downing anyone about their schedule or anything. I am asking an honest question. I know LH will lose sometime, and this could be the week. I feel like Celina is the one team left in Division 2 that can beat LH, but I don't know how to assess my feelings since I haven't seen them play with my own eyes.

I have posted on threads about other LH games that they are beatable but it will take a total team effort and no mistakes. The other thing I believe is that the team that beats them will have to run the ball very well between the tackles. They will also have to be content to have a short route passing game that is satisfied with the 5-7 yards gains and avoid trying to go downfield all the time. The LH LB's and DB's have good enough speed and skill to make slow developing passes very dangerous. But, a quick hitting running game and quick hitting passing game put LH in the position of playing with half of the defense, a much more favorable situation for the opponents offense. Plus, this type game, if well executed, does what LH does, eat the clock up and limit the opportunities for the LH offense. NO MISTAKES AND NO TURNOVERS are almost a must in this game to be successfule, on either team.

[ctown]

Originally posted by OldBison75
Fair enough ctown, but I have never seen this Celina team play and want to know something about them. What are the strengths and weaknesses. Three loses early in the season might not mean anything in the long run. I don't know what happened in the losses, injuries, etc. But I do know that what really matters is how they play this week. If you were trying to seel me on the why I should be a Celina fan any week in the playoffs, besides saying you have won every week so far, what would you tell me to watch for?

Oh, by the way, I have talked to friends that have seen Celina and know that they can be dominating but were inconsistent and still trying to find their niche in the eaqrly season. I also know that Celina will always be one of the best coached and best disciplined teams in the state. Tha reputation has been arounf for a long time and I don't see that changing.

Well, Celina has done very well with running. We now have a healthy Waldrep kid at back who was hobbled most of the year from a nagging injury, so the dynamic this week with RB McCartney will make this backfield a brand new look. The QB can trhow well and can really cut upfield for yardage when needed. He is faster than most will give him credit. Multiple skill players on O can perform lots of roles, so the opportunity to pass or run effectively from any position is there, the speed is good but our backs just don't go down easy on the run. O line is playing well after loosing a couple kids earlier to injuries. Defense centerpiece is MLB--he started in 06 against LH as Freshman. He is the hardest hitter I've seen in years and he doesn't miss. A true ball hawk. The rest of the D can cover well and while we are not huge on the DLine, we have become more adept at using their skills differently than the big kids from years past. I will not be talking about any of our weaknesses so you basically have a somewhat noncommittal summary.

[MN95]

Originally posted by OldBison75
If your gonna talk smack, find a fact that is measurable instead of just cause we're Celina.

Here is what you said that I take issue with. First, if you managed to read all 50 plus pages, you will have to admit that most of the "smack talking" is coming from LH people. In fact, they have been disappointed we are not doing more of that. Second, I say again, what "measurables" are they backing it up with? You mentioned their schedule. I think our has been at least respectable.

[OldBison75]

OKAY ctown, you have answered some of my questions. It sounds like your team has a very multi-option offense that feels it can run the ball well enough to make the defense honest and pass enough to keep them from stacking the box all night. It also sounds like you are describing pretty good speed, which will be a big advantage since LH has alot of defensive speed. I assume from what stats I have seen that the smaller defense you describe is also pretty quick. The size of the player is sometimes over emphasized. I have seen some big explosions come from small packages. I hope that these smaller guys have the discipline to play a controlled penetrating style of defense. that is the key to stopping the slot t. YOU MUST PENETRATE AND STILL MAINTAIN YOUR CONTROL OF YOUR GAP. Getting into the backfield at angles will open holes for slashing runs--LH specialties.

Look, like I said in a post to MN95, LH is beatable, like every team, but it will take a mistake free game. Celina might just be the team. I do think the two best teams in 3A this year, in either division are in this game. Both have bee the best since district started and I don't see that changing. It is how you are playing this week that counts.

[OldBison75]

MN95, chill out. If you read all of my posts, I said that I have seen LH play and know what they do. I have not seen you. I also said that about smack because it seems every post lately is about who has the most playoff wins and the most trophies. I really don't care about that since it has no effect this year. What Celina did three or ten years ago and what LH has done the last three years will not score a point this week. I was hoping to hear what Celina believes is thier best chance to win. Not what they think makes them better that LH in history. nd, I have been reading LH threads the last several weeks and know what they say over and over again. I can't argue too much as long as they keep that 0 in the loss column.

[BobcatBenny]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/BobcatBenny/foghornpic.gif
Wake up Liberty Hill fans!!!

It's Celina your playin'!!!

:p

[coachkiss]

Here's what you need to know...

Celina has lost a ton of talent over the past two years. In fact, more college and D1 talent has come through Celina the past few years than almost all of the other years combined.

On this year's team we have one D1player. That doesn't mean the others are bad, because many of them are pretty doggone good. In addition, one of our better players over the past couple of years, Breck Holman, was not a D1 talent, but an excellent high school football player.

In addition to losing talent, we lost a lot of experience along the offensive line. Some of the experience we did have has been hurt for part of the year.

Our leading rusher from last year has not played a full game yet it seems. He played part of the game against Lytle, got banged up against TCA, and is just now starting to show some of what he has shown the last two years.

At one point in the Daingerfield game, all three of our backs that had experience were injured, and we were playing with our second team. Those RB injuries early in the season forced us to make our best multi-purpose player a more traditional running back or, on passing downs, move him out to receiver and have an inexperienced RB handle blocking duties and blitz pickup.

All of those changes put more pressure on an inexperienced QB, and he probably felt a lot of pressure to create offense. There were some bad decisions and forced throws, but he didn't have the safety net that our QBs have had in the past, a solid running game behind him. If I recall, our last QB that led us to a championship had something like a 5 Int game a few years back, when it was his first year starting. However, he had some pretty good guys in the backfield with him to help him overcome some of those problems.

"Magically", with experience, hard work, and a more experienced and established running game behind him, our QB has progressed tremendously over the past few weeks. Whereas some of his good statistical games early one were often littered with "What was he thinking?" moments and his bad games were pretty bad, now I can't imagine what our offense would be like without him. His decision making, his confidence, and his apparent enthusiasm are light years ahead of where they were. In reality, he did what kids are supposed to do when they are well-coached, he has progressed.

Looking at the offensive line, I was shaking my head in disbelief at some of the kids we were trotting out there in our first scrimmage, but I did the same thing with some of the kids the year before that, and one of them made All-State.

The defensive line is not stocked with talent like years past. When you lose 3 All -Staters and 2 D1 defensive linemen in a two year span, they can't be as good. Most 3A teams don't ever see a run like that on defensive linemen. We were fortunate. This year, we have some kids that are doing better every game and a few of them are really blossoming into something special.

Our LBs are very solid, and I still say that we have the best player in 3A playing linebacker for us, and that is saying a lot. He covers over a lot of sins by other players at times. Our DBs are good, and a move made about 8 weeks ago has paid a lot of dividends. However, while our RBs were injured, we couldn't afford to do that.

There's your breakdown of Celina. Are they the best team to every play Celina football? Nope. Are they good enough to win on Saturday and the weekend after that? Yes, without a doubt.

After seeing Liberty Hill on Saturday, they aren't the same team they were two years ago, either. So, I think it will be a very close game, and I will be pulling for Celina to win.

[orange machine]

:clap: That was awsome. I could not have said it better myself. You hit the nail on the head.

[bobcat1]

Nice coachkiss!:clap: :clap: :clap: It comes down to one thing Saturday. Will this group of teenagers possess the will to win or will the other group of teenagers. Who will force their will on the other team? I say we will see the will of the Bobcats Saturday.
Will

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
While I think you are intending to be funny I am extremely grateful that I can be associated with a town and team that will openly take that knee and give thanks or pray for another fallen player. It is things like this that truly make Celina football the best in Texas irrespective of wins and losses. You can talk smack all you want about the game and who should win but you cannot
take away the fine examples these young men set for the youth that watch every weekend and strive to follow in their footsteps. The coaches and players should be commended.

Humor only was meant. If I offended you, I am sorry. I would never knock a team for praying.

[K-MAC Chuck]

Originally posted by BobcatBenny
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/BobcatBenny/foghornpic.gif
Wake up Liberty Hill fans!!! It's Celina your playin'!!!
:p

OHhhh Benny,
If LH wins this game (which I'm confident they will), I'm gonna be reminding you of this post for YEARS to come! LOL

:D :thumbsup:


((Is it Saturday yet?))

[K-MAC Chuck]

Since I've only been a 3ADL member for 1 year, I have a question...

What's the MOST pages/posts for the PREGAME of any game? I just looked - there's 59 PAGES of posts, and it's only WEDNESDAY at 6:15 a.m. (Central)!

:1omg!: :1popcorn: :2thumbsup

[RPF2666]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Well, DII sounded boring last year. We wanted to have one from both divisions. Misson accomplished. Time for repeat. :D

And we prefer to beat schools in DII with 2/3 again as many students...takes some of the boredom out of it...

[RPF2666]

Originally posted by OldBison75
It just amazes me that every week we hear the same argument, might be worded a little different, but still the SOS---LH a'int seen the type athletes and teamwork we have this year. Well, I bet LH has seen them--Bridgeport was pretty good, Abilene Wylie was pretty good, Sweetwater was pretty good, Brownwood has a damned good offense. Giddings ain't no slouch either. If your gonna talk smack, find a fact that is measurable instead of just cause we're Celina. Last week, Last month, Last year, or ten years ago won't play this week. This week, you will have to prove yourselfs against arguably the best team in 3A for the last few years--can you handle it and why?

LH posters are the ones doing most of the crowing, if you look close. We got some bitter medicine two years ago, and haven't forgotten...We'll know for sure on Saturday...You may be correct, and you may not....

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by OldBison75
What I would like to really hear from you fans in Celina and Liberty Hill is what strengths you have that you feel will work against the opponent. What weaknesses does your team have to bolster up this week to be successful against the other team?
I'm sure most of this can be said about either team, and some applies to all 6 still playing, but I'll give you what I can later on.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by OldBison75
What I would like to really hear from you fans in Celina and Liberty Hill is what strengths you have that you feel will work against the opponent. What weaknesses does your team have to bolster up this week to be successful against the other team?
I'm sure most can be said about either team, and some applies to all 6 still playing, but I'll give you what I can later on.

[Come on]

Originally posted by RPF2666
And we prefer to beat schools in DII with 2/3 again as many students...takes some of the boredom out of it...

Here we go with this again, Hand picked students.

[RPF2666]

Y'all want to talk about strength of schedule and the difference between DI and DII, how DI is weak... You can't argue the numbers...200+ more students should mean LH and just about everyone else we've played in 3A should beat us, but they usually don't...

[firstcat]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
He has a point....


Hey! Who YOU rootin' for???:mad:

[Come on]

Originally posted by RPF2666
Y'all want to talk about strength of schedule and the difference between DI and DII, how DI is weak... You can't argue the numbers...200+ more students should mean LH and just about everyone else we've played in 3A should beat us, but they usually don't...
Thats a bunch of BS and you know it.

[RPF2666]

Originally posted by Come on
Thats a bunch of BS and you know it.

Where is the BS in it? The UIL numbers are what they are...

[Come on]

Originally posted by firstcat
Hey! Who YOU rootin' for???:mad:

LHHS!

[firstcat]

Originally posted by OldBison75
LH has been at the top the last three years, maybe it was in a different division than you, but it still equals three trophies.


a prophesy....

[OldBison75]

OKAY coachkiss, I've finally heard what I was looking for. I have seen so many teams come into games against LH with the fans harping about this star or that star and the number of blue chip prospects they had compared to LH that I'm sceptical of all of them. I heard that crap for weeks from Bridgeport. Look where they are.

What you seem to be telling me is that this group of Celina players has good overall talent and no super heroes. There may be a few top notch players like a LB , but the team revolves around different players stepping up each week to make something happen. You have explained alot about the early season losses and plainly said that these guys have the determination to face what they are dealt and keep working to get better. I RESPECT THAT!!!! Like I said earlier, Celina will have to play a complete game at every position with no mistakes. Can they? Yeah, I think they have proven this year that they can handle adversity. Will they? That remains to be seen.

I do think that you describe the type team that has a good chance of being successful against LH. Kids that believe in themselves and are willing to give their all for the team is a must. If a team with a few stars faces LH, they almost always find that LH can isolate and limit a few weapons. But, a team that can have anyone step up on any given week can cause them problems.

I look forward to a great game and wish both teams good luck. I think this might end up being the best game of the year in 3A an maybe in all classifications. It won't surprise me to see this decided in overtime.

Hope everyone comes in healthy and the game is clean and safe. Two class programs on the big stage will be a pleasure to see.

[Come on]

Originally posted by RPF2666
Where is the BS in it? The UIL numbers are what they are...
You play with 11 on the field at a time, only advantage is more to choose from. I feel sure that Celina has no trouble getting the players that they need, since I lived there most of my life we will just leave it at that.

BLUE 200!!

[Come on]

Originally posted by OldBison75
OKAY coachkiss, I've finally heard what I was looking for. I have seen so many teams come into games against LH with the fans harping about this star or that star and the number of blue chip prospects they had compared to LH that I'm sceptical of all of them. I heard that crap for weeks from Bridgeport. Look where they are.

What you seem to be telling me is that this group of Celina players has good overall talent and no super heroes. There may be a few top notch players like a LB , but the team revolves around different players stepping up each week to make something happen. You have explained alot about the early season losses and plainly said that these guys have the determination to face what they are dealt and keep working to get better. I RESPECT THAT!!!! Like I said earlier, Celina will have to play a complete game at every position with no mistakes. Can they? Yeah, I think they have proven this year that they can handle adversity. Will they? That remains to be seen.

I do think that you describe the type team that has a good chance of being successful against LH. Kids that believe in themselves and are willing to give their all for the team is a must. If a team with a few stars faces LH, they almost always find that LH can isolate and limit a few weapons. But, a team that can have anyone step up on any given week can cause them problems.

I look forward to a great game and wish both teams good luck. I think this might end up being the best game of the year in 3A an maybe in all classifications. It won't surprise me to see this decided in overtime.

Hope everyone comes in healthy and the game is clean and safe. Two class programs on the big stage will be a pleasure to see.
This will be the toughest game of the year for LH, that being said they WILL win in a close game

[RPF2666]

You just made my point...."more to choose from"...thanks.

More to choose from means your 11 should be better, strictly going by the numbers....

[Runnin Panther]

Originally posted by 75009Football
RP you registered in 10-07 and probably read for a while before. You got going on the boards here after LH got going well. Most of the Celina posters are the same way, been readin before they started typin smack. Theyve been through the ups and some downs. Me, I've been readin for bout 5 and only typin for three. Youve just not been through a down yet on the boards. That crow, no matter much you lie, dont taste good. When LH gets a few losses under its belt and has to answer for them, you too will learn a little humility. Hope Celina gets to feed ya that crow cause it'd be fun.

I got on this board because my kids play football, not because of the success LH has been enjoying. The success is just a bonus. But you can believe whatever you want.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by coachkiss
After seeing Liberty Hill on Saturday, they aren't the same team they were two years ago, either.
Ironically, I have said all year that we aren't the same team as last year. And of course we're not the same team as two years ago. I'll say it again: We're not the same team, we are different - better in some aspects, not as strong in others, but overall just as complete.

There has been a LOT of doubt regarding our team this year, and much of it has come from our own fans, starting early last spring. "You can't replace the likes of the backfield we've had and expect to have the same caliber team." "No way will we go undefeated through the regular season." But then, we weren't going to be able to replace Kociuba & Escamilla, or Bode & Post, and then Allman & crew. Uh huh.....

And it grew over the summer with a coaching change. "Walker will be missed more than anyone from LH will admit." "Walker was the genius behind the offense." :thinking: Uh huh.....

All year, I have said "We will be fine!". And we have been up to this point. I have watched the 2008 Panthers (remember this is not '06 or '07) face defeat numerous times this year. I have watched them kiss it on the mouth, then tell it to get the heck out of Dodge.....and Giddings, and Abilene, and in LH against Brownwood & Burnet, then just this past week in Waco against Bridgeport. The 2008 Panthers do not know how to quit or give up, much like the other teams in the Vance-era.

OldBison - you asked for measures. I don't know that I can give you a true measure of what it will take. I do know that the intangibles that will be present Saturday may be what wins the game. It's those things that you can never know ahead of time. As I've said all year "We will be FINE!".

[rundoe]

Originally posted by firstcat
Hey! Who YOU rootin' for???:mad:

L.H.H.S.!!!!!!

[Come on]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Ironically, I have said all year that we aren't the same team as last year. And of course we're not the same team as two years ago. I'll say it again: We're not the same team, we are different - better in some aspects, not as strong in others, but overall just as complete.

There has been a LOT of doubt regarding our team this year, and much of it has come from our own fans, starting early last spring. "You can't replace the likes of the backfield we've had and expect to have the same caliber team." "No way will we go undefeated through the regular season." But then, we weren't going to be able to replace Kociuba & Escamilla, or Bode & Post, and then Allman & crew. Uh huh.....

And it grew over the summer with a coaching change. "Walker will be missed more than anyone from LH will admit." "Walker was the genius behind the offense." :thinking: Uh huh.....

All year, I have said "We will be fine!". And we have been up to this point. I have watched the 2008 Panthers (remember this is not '06 or '07) face defeat numerous times this year. I have watched them kiss it on the mouth, then tell it to get the heck out of Dodge.....and Giddings, and Abilene, and in LH against Brownwood & Burnet, then just this past week in Waco against Bridgeport. The 2008 Panthers do not know how to quit or give up, much like the other teams in the Vance-era.

OldBison - you asked for measures. I don't know that I can give you a true measure of what it will take. I do know that the intangibles that will be present Saturday may be what wins the game. It's those things that you can never know ahead of time. As I've said all year "We will be FINE!".

You go girl, Hows the Nerves this week?

[RPF2666]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Ironically, I have said all year that we aren't the same team as last year. And of course we're not the same team as two years ago. I'll say it again: We're not the same team, we are different - better in some aspects, not as strong in others, but overall just as complete.

There has been a LOT of doubt regarding our team this year, and much of it has come from our own fans, starting early last spring. "You can't replace the likes of the backfield we've had and expect to have the same caliber team." "No way will we go undefeated through the regular season." But then, we weren't going to be able to replace Kociuba & Escamilla, or Bode & Post, and then Allman & crew. Uh huh.....

And it grew over the summer with a coaching change. "Walker will be missed more than anyone from LH will admit." "Walker was the genius behind the offense." :thinking: Uh huh.....

All year, I have said "We will be fine!". And we have been up to this point. I have watched the 2008 Panthers (remember this is not '06 or '07) face defeat numerous times this year. I have watched them kiss it on the mouth, then tell it to get the heck out of Dodge.....and Giddings, and Abilene, and in LH against Brownwood & Burnet, then just this past week in Waco against Bridgeport. The 2008 Panthers do not know how to quit or give up, much like the other teams in the Vance-era.

OldBison - you asked for measures. I don't know that I can give you a true measure of what it will take. I do know that the intangibles that will be present Saturday may be what wins the game. It's those things that you can never know ahead of time. As I've said all year "We will be FINE!".

Ditto for Celina...change a few names and this applies. Great post, LHPM!

[firstcat]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Ironically, I have said all year that we aren't the same team as last year. And of course we're not the same team as two years ago. I'll say it again: We're not the same team, we are different - better in some aspects, not as strong in others, but overall just as complete.

There has been a LOT of doubt regarding our team this year, and much of it has come from our own fans, starting early last spring. "You can't replace the likes of the backfield we've had and expect to have the same caliber team." "No way will we go undefeated through the regular season." But then, we weren't going to be able to replace Kociuba & Escamilla, or Bode & Post, and then Allman & crew. Uh huh.....

And it grew over the summer with a coaching change. "Walker will be missed more than anyone from LH will admit." "Walker was the genius behind the offense." :thinking: Uh huh.....

All year, I have said "We will be fine!". And we have been up to this point. I have watched the 2008 Panthers (remember this is not '06 or '07) face defeat numerous times this year. I have watched them kiss it on the mouth, then tell it to get the heck out of Dodge.....and Giddings, and Abilene, and in LH against Brownwood & Burnet, then just this past week in Waco against Bridgeport. The 2008 Panthers do not know how to quit or give up, much like the other teams in the Vance-era.

OldBison - you asked for measures. I don't know that I can give you a true measure of what it will take. I do know that the intangibles that will be present Saturday may be what wins the game. It's those things that you can never know ahead of time. As I've said all year "We will be FINE!".

:clap: :clap: :clap: My sentiments exactly! :clap: :clap: :clap:

[LH_Tuff]

Originally posted by RPF2666
Y'all want to talk about strength of schedule and the difference between DI and DII, how DI is weak... You can't argue the numbers...200+ more students should mean LH and just about everyone else we've played in 3A should beat us, but they usually don't...

Our band is bigger than yours. :p

Speaking of bands. Can you call your director and ask if they can cut their program short? The panthers like to come out and warm up before the 2nd half begins.

[RPF2666]

Since we are visitors, you'll have to talk to your director....:)

[rundoe]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Ironically, I have said all year that we aren't the same team as last year. And of course we're not the same team as two years ago. I'll say it again: We're not the same team, we are different - better in some aspects, not as strong in others, but overall just as complete.

There has been a LOT of doubt regarding our team this year, and much of it has come from our own fans, starting early last spring. "You can't replace the likes of the backfield we've had and expect to have the same caliber team." "No way will we go undefeated through the regular season." But then, we weren't going to be able to replace Kociuba & Escamilla, or Bode & Post, and then Allman & crew. Uh huh.....

And it grew over the summer with a coaching change. "Walker will be missed more than anyone from LH will admit." "Walker was the genius behind the offense." :thinking: Uh huh.....

All year, I have said "We will be fine!". And we have been up to this point. I have watched the 2008 Panthers (remember this is not '06 or '07) face defeat numerous times this year. I have watched them kiss it on the mouth, then tell it to get the heck out of Dodge.....and Giddings, and Abilene, and in LH against Brownwood & Burnet, then just this past week in Waco against Bridgeport. The 2008 Panthers do not know how to quit or give up, much like the other teams in the Vance-era.

OldBison - you asked for measures. I don't know that I can give you a true measure of what it will take. I do know that the intangibles that will be present Saturday may be what wins the game. It's those things that you can never know ahead of time. As I've said all year "We will be FINE!".

What she said! In the most simple terms, its called "heart". One thing about all Liberty Hill teams is, they have it.

[Come on]

SUPER_R Bobcat Benny got you Scared? You sure are quiet this week

[OrangeChamps]

Panther Mom, that was a good post. It shows you are a true fan, and more importantly a parent. All towns have doubts at some point throughout the season no matter how brief they may be. Point is that teams that have made it to this point know how to win, know what it takes to win, and don't stop trying to win till the clock hits 0:00.

Your beliefs that you posted further emphasize that this will be an awesome game. Neither team is going to back down. Unless one team is obviously better than the other one, this game is going to take all 4 quarters.

LH will be FINE and Celina will be FINE.

[Come on]

Originally posted by OrangeChamps
Panther Mom, that was a good post. It shows you are a true fan, and more importantly a parent. All towns have doubts at some point throughout the season no matter how brief they may be. Point is that teams that have made it to this point know how to win, know what it takes to win, and don't stop trying to win till the clock hits 0:00.

Your beliefs that you posted further emphasize that this will be an awesome game. Neither team is going to back down. Unless one team is obviously better than the other one, this game is going to take all 4 quarters.

LH will be FINE and Celina will be FINE.

It will be the toughest game of the year by far! I just wish it was the Finals

[OldBison75]

Mom, I said earlier in this thread that I have seen LH play and know that that team has discipline and determination because of the system they play and play well. I have also posted on other threads that LH kids seem to find a way to win with complete faith in that system and each other. I have also said the same thing you are saying, LH is not the same team this year, but they might be just as good by using the personnel they have in situations that bring out their best. LH has proven in some very tough games that they can face adversity and step up their game. What I saw last week against Bridgeport, especially from the LH defense in the second half, was pure determination.

I don't believe any team is unbeatable, and LH is certainly beatable. But, I do believe it will take a special combination of good athletes that play the game with the discipline to do their job and depend on the athlete next to them to do the same. If there is not total teamwork, there is a breakdown and LH has proven that those breakdowns can and will be exploited. That is great coaching.

I hope that this week is not the end for LH because I love to watch that precision and workmanship from them boys. But, if it is the end of the streak, the LH Panthers and fans have had a great ride for a long time and one loss will not destroy the system. THEY WILL RETURN. I respect what your team has done and believe that as awhole, the LH family has been about as classy as anyone having great success can be.

Good luck this week and be safe--I might just find my way to this game and be one of the thousands jammed into the stadium.

[Come on]

Hope you get to make it OLDBison

[RPF2666]

Yep. Emotionally this week feels like the finals, but it isn't.

The victor will have to regroup and re-focus...one more time!

[MN95]

Originally posted by RPF2666
Yep. Emotionally this week feels like the finals, but it isn't.

The victor will have to regroup and re-focus...one more time!

It's my opinion that Carthage will beat Giddings, and give the winner of our game all they want and more.

[RPF2666]

After what they did to Gilmer, I tend to agree with you.

[coachkiss]

Talent+Turnover Margin = Victory (99% of the time). We all like to talk about heart and determination and will and other intangibles that make us feel better about our team. We like catchy slogans that we can put on motivational posters and little sticky notes on our computer. In the end, it comes down to who has the most talent coupled with turnovers.

Now, will, desire, hard work and determination can help mold an athlete into one with more talent, but it doesn't happen on Friday or Saturday, it happens in the offseason and on Monday-Thursday.

To say that any team wins because they have more desire or will during the game is attributing qualities to your own team that may not exist, and is a slap to the other team. Think about this...by saying that Liberty Hill won by determination last Saturday or will or heart or desire, isn't that an insult to Bridgeport? Doesn't that say, "Hey, your kids don't have the guts that our kids have" or "Our kids wanted to win more than your kids"?

In reality, Liberty Hill beat Bridgeport because they had more talent, and they received a lot of turnovers in the second half. Now, if Bridgeport had fewer injuries , would their talent be higher across the board? Sure, it would have. However, it is more sexy to say that Liberty Hill "wanted it more" instead of saying "We won because our talent was better than your talent, which may have been affected by injuries".

We all love to pull out the special moments about our teams and attribute superhuman qualities to them, when in essence it comes down to who has the most talent and who turns over the ball the least amount of times.

More Talent + Fewer Turnovers = Victory

[Runnin Panther]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Ironically, I have said all year that we aren't the same team as last year. And of course we're not the same team as two years ago. I'll say it again: We're not the same team, we are different - better in some aspects, not as strong in others, but overall just as complete.

There has been a LOT of doubt regarding our team this year, and much of it has come from our own fans, starting early last spring. "You can't replace the likes of the backfield we've had and expect to have the same caliber team." "No way will we go undefeated through the regular season." But then, we weren't going to be able to replace Kociuba & Escamilla, or Bode & Post, and then Allman & crew. Uh huh.....

And it grew over the summer with a coaching change. "Walker will be missed more than anyone from LH will admit." "Walker was the genius behind the offense." :thinking: Uh huh.....

All year, I have said "We will be fine!". And we have been up to this point. I have watched the 2008 Panthers (remember this is not '06 or '07) face defeat numerous times this year. I have watched them kiss it on the mouth, then tell it to get the heck out of Dodge.....and Giddings, and Abilene, and in LH against Brownwood & Burnet, then just this past week in Waco against Bridgeport. The 2008 Panthers do not know how to quit or give up, much like the other teams in the Vance-era.

OldBison - you asked for measures. I don't know that I can give you a true measure of what it will take. I do know that the intangibles that will be present Saturday may be what wins the game. It's those things that you can never know ahead of time. As I've said all year "We will be FINE!".

Very well said.:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Runnin Panther]

Well it’s good to see that Celina has dropped the disguise of humility and are back to their normal arrogant selves. Now we can at least have an honest discussion. :D

[bobcat1]

I still say it will come down to which team can impose it's will on the other team. Will:thinking:

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by coachkiss
Talent+Turnover Margin = Victory (99% of the time). We all like to talk about heart and determination and will and other intangibles that make us feel better about our team. We like catchy slogans that we can put on motivational posters and little sticky notes on our computer. In the end, it comes down to who has the most talent coupled with turnovers.

Now, will, desire, hard work and determination can help mold an athlete into one with more talent, but it doesn't happen on Friday or Saturday, it happens in the offseason and on Monday-Thursday.

To say that any team wins because they have more desire or will during the game is attributing qualities to your own team that may not exist, and is a slap to the other team. Think about this...by saying that Liberty Hill won by determination last Saturday or will or heart or desire, isn't that an insult to Bridgeport? Doesn't that say, "Hey, your kids don't have the guts that our kids have" or "Our kids wanted to win more than your kids"?

In reality, Liberty Hill beat Bridgeport because they had more talent, and they received a lot of turnovers in the second half. Now, if Bridgeport had fewer injuries , would their talent be higher across the board? Sure, it would have. However, it is more sexy to say that Liberty Hill "wanted it more" instead of saying "We won because our talent was better than your talent, which may have been affected by injuries".

We all love to pull out the special moments about our teams and attribute superhuman qualities to them, when in essence it comes down to who has the most talent and who turns over the ball the least amount of times.

More Talent + Fewer Turnovers = Victory

Coach that is both correct and incorrect. The will to win is in the offseason. But it does include the prep time during the week. Who is going to look at the film the most and get mentally most ready is the will to win that you must account for. It is called focus. How focused will either team be during the preptime? If our boys want it more they will study more. Anything you want bad enough you can will yourself to attain if you have prepared in advance and are willing to mentally prepare to the highest level you can. I do believe this is possible. But it does take both. That
being said however the game can still be determined by your formula. But all things being equal in the turnover department, talent does not always win. It can be outworked, outfought and out prepared.

[Super_R]

Originally posted by Come on
SUPER_R Bobcat Benny got you Scared? You sure are quiet this week

Scared? You must be joking. This is boring! I've read the word respect and humble so many times I almost vomited.

To me when you pull the I aint talking crap out of respect card you might be the guy when a fight breaks out you are the one that says 'I got your back'...and if we win I was there for you and if you lose you just stayed in the back the whole time.

LH and Celina...best 3A programs in the state!

I'm here to talk about Football. There hasn't been much of that going on. I've casted a few times and got a few bites...turns out they were minnows.

[coachkiss]

Isn't that imposition of will directly affected by the talent of one team vs. the other, bobcat1? Isn't it easier to impose your will on another team when you have the ball?

I'm not sure if the poster above was referring to me about "arrogance", but if he was, I don't see it that way. People in Celina are guilty of the same thing that we are seeing from Liberty Hill.

[coachkiss]

Billy Fred, if you will notice I mentioned offseason and Monday-Thursday in my original post. You prepare better on Monday-Thursday, and it gives you more talent on Friday, doesn't it?

[Super_R]

Originally posted by coachkiss
Isn't it easier to impose your will on another team when you have the ball?

Prosper imposed its will on offense and defense against the Bobcats. :stirpot:

LH imposes its will on Defense when a team tries to run the ball.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by coachkiss
Isn't that imposition of will directly affected by the talent of one team vs. the other, bobcat1? Isn't it easier to impose your will on another team when you have the ball?

I'm not sure if the poster above was referring to me about "arrogance", but if he was, I don't see it that way. People in Celina are guilty of the same thing that we are seeing from Liberty Hill. Sometimes you could get out talented, but other times a good old hard headed, never quit, determination to destroy an offense will win out. Our job in school was to blow up schemes before they happened. A talented back can't do anything with 6' and 210lbs hitting him when he gets the ball.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Super_R
Prosper imposed its will on offense and defense against the Bobcats. :stirpot:

LH imposes its will on Defense when a team tries to run the ball. Nice. Keep it coming Hand!

[c bobcats run]

Like I said yesterday, In most of the LH posters minds, the game is already over.

I have sold my house, and plan to move to LH. I will have to bring business there since there is no work in austin.

They have a "Ford St." in LH.

Maybe a Bobcat Kuntry South is in order. Will EL franchise?

[Super_R]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Nice. Keep it coming Hand!

I caught another minnow!

[coachkiss]

If there is money in it, I guarantee you that EL will do it. Heck, he sold marshmallows in the shape of pizza and french fries. I know he's blaming that on Teena, but I'm sure he saw the margins and thought, "Man, that's a good product right there."

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by OldBison75
OKAY coachkiss, I've finally heard what I was looking for. I have seen so many teams come into games against LH with the fans harping about this star or that star and the number of blue chip prospects they had compared to LH that I'm sceptical of all of them. I heard that crap for weeks from Bridgeport. Look where they are.

What you seem to be telling me is that this group of Celina players has good overall talent and no super heroes. There may be a few top notch players like a LB , but the team revolves around different players stepping up each week to make something happen. You have explained alot about the early season losses and plainly said that these guys have the determination to face what they are dealt and keep working to get better. I RESPECT THAT!!!! Like I said earlier, Celina will have to play a complete game at every position with no mistakes. Can they? Yeah, I think they have proven this year that they can handle adversity. Will they? That remains to be seen.

I do think that you describe the type team that has a good chance of being successful against LH. Kids that believe in themselves and are willing to give their all for the team is a must. If a team with a few stars faces LH, they almost always find that LH can isolate and limit a few weapons. But, a team that can have anyone step up on any given week can cause them problems.

I look forward to a great game and wish both teams good luck. I think this might end up being the best game of the year in 3A an maybe in all classifications. It won't surprise me to see this decided in overtime.

Hope everyone comes in healthy and the game is clean and safe. Two class programs on the big stage will be a pleasure to see.

OldBison....Your post-game posts about the Bulls are mired in personal gratification and euphoria and are not appreciated. Why don't you just stick to actual game accounts and quit embellishing things to storybook levels. I have stated that the Bulls lost to a better LH team and we were proud to have played the Panthers and wished them well against Celina. I realize that you are not from LH, but the "Look where they are" remark is not something that gracious winning fans post after a victory over another team. To question the heart of the Bulls players was ludicrous---no way was it any less than that of the LH players at any time during our game.

[coachkiss]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
OldBison....Your post-game posts about the Bulls are mired in personal gratification and euphoria and are not appreciated. Why don't you just stick to actual game accounts and quit embellishing things to storybook levels. I have stated that the Bulls lost to a better LH team and we were proud to have played the Panthers and wished them well against Celina. I realize that you are not from LH, but the "Look where they are" remark is not something that gracious winning fans post after a victory over another team. To question the heart of the Bulls players was ludicrous---no way was it any less than that of the LH players at any time during our game.

See, that's what I was trying to get across...when you trumpet the "heart" of your own team, you indirectly take a jab at the "heart" of the other team. By saying things like "LH wanted it more" or "Celina had more desire than Kaufman" really downgrades the teenagers from those schools. It is probably never intended that way, and I expect Old Bison to say as much. However, it comes across that way to the kids, posters, and parents of that town.

[Super_R]

Originally posted by coachkiss
See, that's what I was trying to get across...when you trumpet the "heart" of your own team, you indirectly take a jab at the "heart" of the other team. By saying things like "LH wanted it more" or "Celina had more desire than Kaufman" really downgrades the teenagers from those schools. It is probably never intended that way, and I expect Old Bison to say as much. However, it comes across that way to the kids, posters, and parents of that town.

There are ocassions when a team wins because they have more heart...or desire than the other team. That was not the case in the LH vs. Bridgeport game.

[coachkiss]

Super R, why don't you name them? Give me some of those occasions. I also want to see what the turnover margin was in those games.

[Runnin Panther]

Originally posted by Super_R
There are ocassions when a team wins because they have more heart...or desire than the other team. That was not the case in the LH vs. Bridgeport game.

Ditto that. You are a smart man Super R.

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by Super_R
There are ocassions when a team wins because they have more heart...or desire than the other team. That was not the case in the LH vs. Bridgeport game.

Thank you Super_R---the Bulls may have lacked a few things during the season, but heart and courage were not among them. Sorry to have jumped into the middle of the Celina/LH game thread and please carry on with some great exchanges between the fans of 2 of the best football programs that 3A has to offer.

[Super_R]

Originally posted by coachkiss
Super R, why don't you name them? Give me some of those occasions. I also want to see what the turnover margin was in those games.

State Championship game in 06'!

The team with more heart won. I believe the game was on Dec. 23. LH had 3 lost fumbles and a lost onside kick.

WHAT NOW!!!

[Super_R]

Originally posted by Super_R
State Championship game in 06'!

The team with more heart won. I believe the game was on Dec. 23. LH had 3 lost fumbles and a lost onside kick.

WHAT NOW!!!

And if you say we didn't have more heart...then it was superior talent. Take your pick...those are the only choices.

[Runnin Panther]

Originally posted by Super_R
State Championship game in 06'!

The team with more heart won. I believe the game was on Dec. 23. LH had 3 lost fumbles and a lost onside kick.

WHAT NOW!!!

Or coachkiss will have to admit that Liberty Hill had more talent.

[Runnin Panther]

Originally posted by Super_R
And if you say we didn't have more heart...then it was superior talent. Take your pick...those are the only choices.

super r you beat me to the punch.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by coachkiss
Billy Fred, if you will notice I mentioned offseason and Monday-Thursday in my original post. You prepare better on Monday-Thursday, and it gives you more talent on Friday, doesn't it?

No talent is intangible. It gives you more ability to execute because you have physical skills but the ability to do it is inherent. It is about what you have vs what you know.

[coachkiss]

Liberty Hill very well may have had more talent that day.

Celina lost 2 fumbles of its own and also had some failed fourth down conversions.

Maybe that game was in the .1% that I mentioned as the caveat. As stated before, there is 1 in every 1000 games.

[Bullaholic]

How are the matchups for this one? "O" line vs "D" line & LB's?
LH executes and blocks very well on offense, and will run the ball all 4 downs if they are close to a 1st. Does Celina have the kind of "D" that can keep LH from averaging 2.5yds a play for 4 plays and make them punt several times?

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by coachkiss
Liberty Hill very well may have had more talent that day.

Celina lost 2 fumbles of its own and also had some failed fourth down conversions.

Maybe that game was in the .1% that I mentioned as the caveat. As stated before, there is 1 in every 1000 games. Don't forget missed extra points and point blank field goals.

[coachkiss]

Billy Fred, if you take two guys with the exact same ability and measurables, and one practices more, watches more film, etc than the other, who is the more talented running back?

[coachkiss]

It sounds like their kicker had a lot of talent.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by coachkiss
It sounds like their kicker had a lot of talent. So did ours. SHTUFF happens.

[Come on]

Originally posted by coachkiss
Liberty Hill very well may have had more talent that day.

Celina lost 2 fumbles of its own and also had some failed fourth down conversions.

Maybe that game was in the .1% that I mentioned as the caveat. As stated before, there is 1 in every 1000 games. :confused:

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Come on
:confused: Confused Hand?

[Come on]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Confused Hand?

Yep

[coachkiss]

I guess they were too busy studying Heart 101 in Liberty Hill that they forgot to take some reading comprehension classes.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by coachkiss
I guess they were too busy studying Heart 101 in Liberty Hill that they forgot to take some reading comprehension classes. :clap: :clap: :clap:

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
No talent is intangible. It gives you more ability to execute because you have physical skills but the ability to do it is inherent. It is about what you have vs what you know.

It is the Celina Coaches ability to prepare the squad that has been our advantage for the most part. And there have been times when talent and the coaches ability have really worked together or when injuries have not stopped us. There have been other times when intangibles, injuries, mistakes, things beyond the coaches and talent that have caused our downfall. And times when our will or desire to win and prepare have done the same circa 2003 when our attitude could have been better. All these things factor in.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by coachkiss
Billy Fred, if you take two guys with the exact same ability and measurables, and one practices more, watches more film, etc than the other, who is the more talented running back?
The one with the most natural ability. The harder worker will win.

[Come on]

Originally posted by coachkiss
I guess they were too busy studying Heart 101 in Liberty Hill that they forgot to take some reading comprehension classes. Didn't go to school here hand, grew up in your back yard, thats why I know how your program works;)

[Super_R]

Originally posted by coachkiss
Liberty Hill very well may have had more talent that day.

Celina lost 2 fumbles of its own and also had some failed fourth down conversions.

Maybe that game was in the .1% that I mentioned as the caveat. As stated before, there is 1 in every 1000 games.

Celina recorded one lost fumble. LH had a few successfuly fourth down stops...I bet they add up to the # u guys had failed.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Coach that is both correct and incorrect. The will to win is in the offseason. But it does include the prep time during the week. Who is going to look at the film the most and get mentally most ready is the will to win that you must account for. It is called focus. How focused will either team be during the preptime? If our boys want it more they will study more. Anything you want bad enough you can will yourself to attain if you have prepared in advance and are willing to mentally prepare to the highest level you can. I do believe this is possible. But it does take both. That
being said however the game can still be determined by your formula. But all things being equal in the turnover department, talent does not always win. It can be outworked, outfought and out prepared.

I generally agree with your statements. Coachkiss, while your formula works most of the time, you should never count out the intangibles which include among many things heart and desire. You discount those intangibles as a coach and you will find that losses will be more frequent. That is fact.

[coachkiss]

If you will look, I never discounted them. I actually think that they play a huge part, but during the offseason and the preparation for the game, thus giving you more talent.

[Come on]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
I generally agree with your statements. Coachkiss, while your formula works most of the time, you should never count out the intangibles which include among many things heart and desire. You discount those intangibles as a coach and you will find that losses will be more frequent. That is fact.

Well said:clap: :clap:

[coachkiss]

The box score for the game has us with 2 lost fumbles, but we splitting hairs possibly.

[MN95]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Don't forget missed extra points and point blank field goals.

Yes, I don't think LH's "heart" had anything to do with that. If they were blocked, you could claim better talent, but that wasn't the case. It came down to execution.

This is all semantics and proving we need something to talk about until the game. Heart and imposing will.....blah, blah, blah. I agree with coach kiss: the team with the most talent usually wins, unless they make more mistakes (turnovers, missed PAT's, dropped passes....) than their superior talent can overcome. Period.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by coachkiss
Super R, why don't you name them? Give me some of those occasions. I also want to see what the turnover margin was in those games.

You discount things that should not be discounted. Can heart and desire to win lead to causing of turnovers? I believe so. Regardless what you say it does make a difference and their is no stat for it. You cannot tell me you have not witnessed games where the less talented team has won and had the same if not more turnovers. Trust me it happens and will happen again. There is an intangible factor associated with those types of victories. Could it be heart and desire??

[coachkiss]

Let's list intangibles...

Weather (affects turnover margin)

Injuries (affects available talent)

Home Field Advantage (affects turnover margin -- I did a stats class study on this one time -- home teams are less likely to turn the ball over than visitors and the bigger the attendance at the home game, the visiting team is even more likely to turn the ball over).

Conditioning (affects talent)

Strength (talent)

Heart (mediocre rock band of the 70s, 80s, and 90s that got their break because they were fronted by women)

[RPF2666]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
I generally agree with your statements. Coachkiss, while your formula works most of the time, you should never count out the intangibles which include among many things heart and desire. You discount those intangibles as a coach and you will find that losses will be more frequent. That is fact.

About time you woke-up!

[bobcat1]

I have seen some superior talented athletes go stand on the sideline when hit in the mouth enough times by a hard working mean kid. Gifted and talented sissies need not show up this week.

[Come on]

Originally posted by MN95
Yes, I don't think LH's "heart" had anything to do with that. If they were blocked, you could claim better talent, but that wasn't the case. It came down to execution.

This is all semantics and proving we need something to talk about until the game. Heart and imposing will.....blah, blah, blah. I agree with coach kiss: the team with the most talent usually wins, unless they make more mistakes (turnovers, missed PAT's, dropped passes....) than their superior talent can overcome. Period. Ok, No more talk until after the game. What do you think?

[MN95]

Originally posted by Come on
Ok, No more talk until after the game. What do you think?

Well, I have heard enough out of a few of you. I'm betting you can't last 5 minutes, let alone until after the game.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by RPF2666
About time you woke-up!

Been busy.

[Come on]

Originally posted by MN95
Well, I have heard enough out of a few of you. I'm betting you can't last 5 minutes, let alone until after the game. :thinking:

[firstcat]

Originally posted by c bobcats run
Like I said yesterday, In most of the LH posters minds, the game is already over.

I am so sick of word vomit such as this. Tell me something, c bobcats run...do you ever go into a game EXPECTING to lose? If so, why do you go? Don't tell me you are one of those "we're in it to have fun and hopefully learn a valuable life lesson" types!
We play to win, as hopefully does every other group of competitors regardless of event or location.
Of course we always EXPECT to win, and that is why we prepare and execute to the best of our abilities. That preparation and effort will also assist us in accepting the inevetible loss that will come someday.
But to hear you tell it, we shouldn't have an ounce of confidence that we might actually be the superior team on that given day! How much of the proverbial "heart" would it show if we EXPECTED to lose? Haven't you ever heard the old cliche about "Attitude determines Altitude"??

For the LAST time, our attitude SHOULD be that we are going to win...and so should your's for that matter!:mad: :mad:

[Come on]

Originally posted by firstcat
I am so sick of word vomit such as this. Tell me something, c bobcats run...do you ever go into a game EXPECTING to lose? If so, why do you go? Don't tell me you are one of those "we're in it to have fun and hopefully learn a valuable life lesson" types!
We play to win, as hopefully does every other group of competitors regardless of event or location.
Of course we always EXPECT to win, and that is why we prepare and execute to the best of our abilities. That preparation and effort will also assist us in accepting the inevetible loss that will come someday.
But to hear you tell it, we shouldn't have an ounce of confidence that we might actually be the superior team on that given day! How much of the proverbial "heart" would it show if we EXPECTED to lose? Haven't you ever heard the old cliche about "Attitude determines Altitude"??

For the LAST time, our attitude SHOULD be that we are going to win...and so should your's for that matter!:mad: :mad: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[coachkiss]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
You discount things that should not be discounted. Can heart and desire to win lead to causing of turnovers? I believe so. Regardless what you say it does make a difference and their is no stat for it. You cannot tell me you have not witnessed games where the less talented team has won and had the same if not more turnovers. Trust me it happens and will happen again. There is an intangible factor associated with those types of victories. Could it be heart and desire??

I agree that it can happen, but does it happen very often? No. We can all name one or two occasions, but those are the outliers in the formula.

Go through Celina's losses this year.

Daingerfield -- Turnover margin the same. One of our turnovers returned for a touchdown, one of them at the goalline at the end of the game. Fairly equal outcome, due to injuries and experience, they may have had the talent edge.

Whitehouse -- Turnover margin the same. Fourth down attempt in our end of the field hurt. Close score. They were probably more talented.

Prosper -- Lost the turnover battle 4-1, with one of those being in the end zone. Probably turnover margin and talent led to the lopsided loss.

See, I don't see talent as a fixed amount or what you have. Over the course of the season, I see kids becoming more talented and that is not due to strength or speed gains. Is our QB more talented now than he was? Sure he is. However, he has the same God-given ability as he did a few weeks back.

You are saying that is heart and desire. I say it is more talent. I guess MN95 was right, it comes down to semantics.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by coachkiss
Let's list intangibles...

Weather (affects turnover margin)

Injuries (affects available talent)

Home Field Advantage (affects turnover margin -- I did a stats class study on this one time -- home teams are less likely to turn the ball over than visitors and the bigger the attendance at the home game, the visiting team is even more likely to turn the ball over).

Conditioning (affects talent)

Strength (talent)

Heart (mediocre rock band of the 70s, 80s, and 90s that got their break because they were fronted by women)


Funny. Talent is natural ability. Strength and conditioning relate to hard work, desire, and heart.

[MN95]

Originally posted by Come on
:thinking:

Wow, you made it one whole minute. My apologies for underestimating you. I guess that's why you didn't go for SlowHand as your screen name?:)

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by coachkiss
I agree that it can happen, but does it happen very often? No. We can all name one or two occasions, but those are the outliers in the formula.

Go through Celina's losses this year.

Daingerfield -- Turnover margin the same. One of our turnovers returned for a touchdown, one of them at the goalline at the end of the game. Fairly equal outcome, due to injuries and experience, they may have had the talent edge.

Whitehouse -- Turnover margin the same. Fourth down attempt in our end of the field hurt. Close score. They were probably more talented.

Prosper -- Lost the turnover battle 4-1, with one of those being in the end zone. Probably turnover margin and talent led to the lopsided loss.

See, I don't see talent as a fixed amount or what you have. Over the course of the season, I see kids becoming more talented and that is not due to strength or speed gains. Is our QB more talented now than he was? Sure he is. However, he has the same God-given ability as he did a few weeks back.

You are saying that is heart and desire. I say it is more talent. I guess MN95 was right, it comes down to semantics.

I could sit here and debate this subject all day but my guess is that a majority of athletes and coaches at all levels along with 99 out of 100 dentists would agree with me.

[Come on]

Originally posted by MN95
Wow, you made it one whole minute. My apologies for underestimating you. I guess that's why you didn't go for SlowHand as your screen name?:)

Your not only a wise ass your a comedian also:D

[RPF2666]

On behalf of poster everywhere...gentlemen, please focus on the task at hand...beating Liberty Hill, not each other....

[coachkiss]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
Funny. Talent is natural ability. Strength and conditioning relate to hard work, desire, and heart.


I guess we just differ on semantics then. I agree with you, Bleed Orange, but then when Celina plays a team that is stronger and in better shape, I say they are more talented, and you say they have more heart.

I can tell that we aren't going to agree on this. So, let's just call it quits.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
I could sit here and debate this subject all day but my guess is that a majority of athletes and coaches at all levels along with 99 out of 100 dentists would agree with me.

I think it is two different ways of looking at things. But IMHO it is not the same. You can always look at a kid like one we had here not long ago and see the talent but he never reaches his potential. He has talent but does not work to utilize it. That is where the seperation is. Our kids work to make the most of their talent. What if we had deon sanders on our team but he only ran half speed and never practiced. He would be the most talented and most useless player on the field at the same time. No denying his talent.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by coachkiss
I guess we just differ on semantics then. I agree with you, Bleed Orange, but then when Celina plays a team that is stronger and in better shape, I say they are more talented, and you say they have more heart.

I can tell that we aren't going to agree on this. So, let's just call it quits.

I would say they were stronger and in better shape. Not necessarily more talented. IN martial arts we discussed this alot.

two guys with the same art and same skills size will win. Bigger is a quality all its own. Consider for exampleA fullback at 240 4.5 and a fullback 210 at 4.5. With comparable TALENT and conditioning bigger is better.

[MN95]

Originally posted by firstcat
I am so sick of word vomit such as this. Tell me something, c bobcats run...do you ever go into a game EXPECTING to lose? If so, why do you go? Don't tell me you are one of those "we're in it to have fun and hopefully learn a valuable life lesson" types!
We play to win, as hopefully does every other group of competitors regardless of event or location.
Of course we always EXPECT to win, and that is why we prepare and execute to the best of our abilities. That preparation and effort will also assist us in accepting the inevetible loss that will come someday.
But to hear you tell it, we shouldn't have an ounce of confidence that we might actually be the superior team on that given day! How much of the proverbial "heart" would it show if we EXPECTED to lose? Haven't you ever heard the old cliche about "Attitude determines Altitude"??

For the LAST time, our attitude SHOULD be that we are going to win...and so should your's for that matter!:mad: :mad:

OK, you get this morning's "Panties In A Wad" award. I'm sure by this afternoon someone will take it from you.

Here are my thoughts on this: Respect everyone and fear no one. I feel it is disrespectful to your opponent to brashly predict the outcome of the contest as if it is a foregone conclusion. Now, I didn't say you shouldn't be confident in yourself or your team, but to verbalize it (or type it on a message board) as if it's a foregone conclusion and the game isn't even worth playing, is disrespectul. It's different to give an opinion like "I think this is how the game will come out". That's why we are here. I know even some from Celina will disagree with me, but you will never see me make brash predictions in advance of our games. Again, just my opinion. Everyone has one, right?

[MN95]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
With comparable TALENT and conditioning bigger is better.

I KNEW IT!!!!! How will I ever be able to believe her again?

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by coachkiss
I guess we just differ on semantics then. I agree with you, Bleed Orange, but then when Celina plays a team that is stronger and in better shape, I say they are more talented, and you say they have more heart.

I can tell that we aren't going to agree on this. So, let's just call it quits.

Agreed. I respect your opinion mine just happens to be different. I guess we can move on to the task at hand. Go Bobcats!!!!

[MN95]

Originally posted by Come on
Your not only a wise ass your a comedian also:D

Yes to the first, no to the second. Sometimes these threads cry out to be lightened up a little.

[RPF2666]

Amen to that...

[coachkiss]

What Bleed Orange and Billy Fred are trying to say is that it's not the size of the wand, but the magic in it.


;)

[MN95]

Originally posted by coachkiss
What Bleed Orange and Billy Fred are trying to say is that it's not the size of the wand, but the magic in it.


;)

Not what I thought BF said earlier, but OK. So, where would I discreetly get one of these wands, and is there really magic in them, or just batteries?

[LH_Tuff]

Who Ya Rootin For?

[coachkiss]

Originally posted by MN95
Not what I thought BF said earlier, but OK. So, where would I discreetly get one of these wands, and is there really magic in them, or just batteries?

I don't think it was what he said either. I just saw an opening for a little humor that might bring closure to this argument.

[RPF2666]

Thank you...FOCUS>...:)

[OrangeChamps]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Who Ya Rootin For?

That would be...THE OrangeChamps!!

[coachkiss]

Go Bobcats!!!

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by LH_Tuff
Who Ya Rootin For?

:cheerl: L.H.H.S. :cheerl:

[c bobcats run]

Originally posted by coachkiss
Let's list intangibles...

Weather (affects turnover margin)

Injuries (affects available talent)

Home Field Advantage (affects turnover margin -- I did a stats class study on this one time -- home teams are less likely to turn the ball over than visitors and the bigger the attendance at the home game, the visiting team is even more likely to turn the ball over).

Conditioning (affects talent)

Strength (talent)

Heart (mediocre rock band of the 70s, 80s, and 90s that got their break because they were fronted by women)

Nancy Wilson. mmmmmmmmmm good in the day

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by pirate4state
:cheerl: L.H.H.S. :cheerl: Of course you are.:p Again gene pool issues. :D

[charlesrixey]

i shall re-iterate

go bobcats!

29-28 Celina

[OrangeChamps]

Still too early for my prediction. Maybe Friday.

[c bobcats run]

Originally posted by firstcat
I am so sick of word vomit such as this. Tell me something, c bobcats run...do you ever go into a game EXPECTING to lose? If so, why do you go? Don't tell me you are one of those "we're in it to have fun and hopefully learn a valuable life lesson" types!
We play to win, as hopefully does every other group of competitors regardless of event or location.
Of course we always EXPECT to win, and that is why we prepare and execute to the best of our abilities. That preparation and effort will also assist us in accepting the inevetible loss that will come someday.
But to hear you tell it, we shouldn't have an ounce of confidence that we might actually be the superior team on that given day! How much of the proverbial "heart" would it show if we EXPECTED to lose? Haven't you ever heard the old cliche about "Attitude determines Altitude"??

For the LAST time, our attitude SHOULD be that we are going to win...and so should your's for that matter!:mad: :mad:

Nah, Im just like you. Its just fun watching you twist off.