JFF selling autographs

[Macarthur]

Bottom line difference between you and me , you feel like it is OK for Manziel to party like the majority of college kids in college. Everyone knows college kids party along with Athlete's , hell I played ball and partied as well but I never won a Hesiman. I on the other hand feel with him being an Athlete and a winner of the Hesiman that he should know that he will be held to a higher standard then any regular college kid, Drew Brees said the same thing but hell what would he know he never won a Hesiman.To each his own, we have taught our son to be a leader and not follower and now it is up to him to make his own decisions. Everyone has their own opinion and we definitely have our difference, I will leave it at that. Just curious what State do you coach in, never heard of Chandler,Tx.

So you were a college athlete and partied but its not okay for Johnny. That's the definition of hypocrisy.

[Saggy Aggie]

So you were a college athlete and partied but its not okay for Johnny. That's the definition of hypocrisy.

Well Johnny won a heisman, therefor he needs to act like a preacher's child

[coachc45]

Bottom line difference between you and me , you feel like it is OK for Manziel to party like the majority of college kids in college. Everyone knows college kids party along with Athlete's , hell I played ball and partied as well but I never won a Hesiman. I on the other hand feel with him being an Athlete and a winner of the Hesiman that he should know that he will be held to a higher standard then any regular college kid, Drew Brees said the same thing but hell what would he know he never won a Hesiman.To each his own, we have taught our son to be a leader and not follower and now it is up to him to make his own decisions. Everyone has their own opinion and we definitely have our difference, I will leave it at that. Just curious what State do you coach in, never heard of Chandler,Tx.

Texas...... I no longer live in Chandler, Tx. It is outside of Tyler. Brownsboro ISD. I now coach in Conroe.

Our only difference in opinion is very simple..... I think a kid is innocent until proven guilty, you think he is guilty because someone says he is.

And you keep throwing the Heisman out there. Why does the Heisman have anything to do with it? Either he made a mistake or he didn't...... The Heisman trophy doesn't come with a morality clause does it? Heisman winner, no Heisman winner..... Innocent until proven guilty. Just my opinion.

I do have 1 more question, You teach your kids to be leaders and not followers, then how come you blindly follow the opinions thrown out by ESPN..... unsubstantiated opinions at that?

[hookandladder]

So you were a college athlete and partied but its not okay for Johnny. That's the definition of hypocrisy.

First off , I was not a Hesiman and second it was 20 years ago. Things have changed, rules wise and if you think different you are clueless.

[hookandladder]

Well Johnny won a heisman, therefor he needs to act like a preacher's child

Not like a preacher's child , like a Hesiman winner that he is. You have even admitted that you feel he has not represented A&M the right way in public or did I missread your post.

[Farmersfan]

So you were a college athlete and partied but its not okay for Johnny. That's the definition of hypocrisy.



Is this kind of a hyperbole argument? It isn't OKAY for anybody to party in college. None of these kids are old enough to drink and the student athletes have a Code of Conduct they signed. What you are advocating is that because other kids do it (and get away with it) then we must also accept it from Johnny when he gets caught. Isn't that like saying because everybody drives drunk we should let convicted DUI's off the hook? See, to party and have a grand time when nobody is interested in what you do is one thing. But to party and have a grand time when you are constantly hounded by media is kind of stupid............. I don't "ACCEPT" bad behavior from my kids just because other kids do it too! Do you?

[hookandladder]

Texas...... I no longer live in Chandler, Tx. It is outside of Tyler. Brownsboro ISD. I now coach in Conroe.

Our only difference in opinion is very simple..... I think a kid is innocent until proven guilty, you think he is guilty because someone says he is.

And you keep throwing the Heisman out there. Why does the Heisman have anything to do with it? Either he made a mistake or he didn't...... The Heisman trophy doesn't come with a morality clause does it? Heisman winner, no Heisman winner..... Innocent until proven guilty. Just my opinion.

I do have 1 more question, You teach your kids to be leaders and not followers, then how come you blindly follow the opinions thrown out by ESPN..... unsubstantiated opinions at that?

Our differences are much more then that, the Hesiman has everything to do with what's going on. If he would have not won the Hesiman last year and had the year he had , no one would have given a rats ass what he did in his off season. So do not say winning the Hesiman has nothing to do with his trobles right now, being a Hesiman winner is what made him famous and yes it came from what he did on the field. No one is questioning his abilities on the field, most all have issues with his off field troubles which I personally I am talking about his problems before the autograph problems even came up. Ward Clever Out.

[Phil C]

I am by no means and Aggie fan but I hope Johnny kills them this fall. Go Johnny Go!

[hookandladder]

Is this kind of a hyperbole argument? It isn't OKAY for anybody to party in college. None of these kids are old enough to drink and the student athletes have a Code of Conduct they signed. What you are advocating is that because other kids do it (and get away with it) then we must also accept it from Johnny when he gets caught. Isn't that like saying because everybody drives drunk we should let convicted DUI's off the hook? See, to party and have a grand time when nobody is interested in what you do is one thing. But to party and have a grand time when you are constantly hounded by media is kind of stupid............. I don't "ACCEPT" bad behavior from my kids just because other kids do it too! Do you?

Amen.

[ogg]

Is there a way to shoot this thread with a silver bullet?

[Macarthur]

Is this kind of a hyperbole argument? .

It absolutely is not hyperbole. He said he partied in college yet says JFF should not. How is that not hypocritical?




It isn't OKAY for anybody to party in college.

Wellnow wait just a minute. If someone is 21 and they want to drink and have fun with their friends, there is nothing at all wrong with that.



None of these kids are old enough to drink

not true.


and the student athletes have a Code of Conduct they signed.

Possibly. We don't know this for sure.



What you are advocating is that because other kids do it (and get away with it) then we must also accept it from Johnny when he gets caught.

Okay, get away with what? If you are talking about underage drinking, that's one thing, but you seems
To be making the argument that college kids can't and shouldn't drink and have a good time.



Isn't that like saying because everybody drives drunk we should let convicted DUI's off the hook?

Now, this is the definition of hyperbole. No one at all is saying that. That's not only hyperbole but a straw man.



See, to party and have a grand time when nobody is interested in what you do is one thing. But to party and have a grand time when you are constantly hounded by media is kind of stupid............. I don't "ACCEPT" bad behavior from my kids just because other kids do it too! Do you?


There seems to be a fundamental issue here of drinking and having a good time. You seem to be making the argument that when college kids get together and party, it's inherently BAD, regardless of the age or circumstance of the people involved.

[Saggy Aggie]

Not like a preacher's child , like a Hesiman winner that he is. You have even admitted that you feel he has not represented A&M the right way in public or did I missread your post.

Misread. I couldn't care less what how he acts, so long as he doesn't commit major crimes. If he wants to go to parties, and drink it up and casinos and sit court side and be a badass, more power to him. He's be like every other kid in college, except famous and from a wealthy family. All I said was I'm not defending what he's done or hasn't done. My only opinion is innocent until proven guilty and that I've got more important stuff to worry about than if Johnny is being an ideal role model.

[Old Tiger]

Paul Finebaum ‏@finebaum 1m It's 4 p.m. and some positve news for Texas A&M fans - Chancellor John Sharp hasn't said anything embarrassing today.

[OldBison75]

For everybody that wanted to hear what TAMU had to say about this situation--go to kbtx.com and read Chancellor John Sharp's comments.

[Old Tiger]

For everybody that wanted to hear what TAMU had to say about this situation--go to kbtx.com and read Chancellor John Sharp's comments.

Sharp is an idiot for even speaking about this IMO. Why bad mouth the brokers who are doing you a solid by no cooperating? He should know whatever he says regardless if it is his personal opinion or not reflects the feelings of Texas A&M.

[coachc45]

Our differences are much more then that, the Hesiman has everything to do with what's going on. If he would have not won the Hesiman last year and had the year he had , no one would have given a rats ass what he did in his off season. So do not say winning the Hesiman has nothing to do with his trobles right now, being a Hesiman winner is what made him famous and yes it came from what he did on the field. No one is questioning his abilities on the field, most all have issues with his off field troubles which I personally I am talking about his problems before the autograph problems even came up. Ward Clever Out.

Gee Ward..... The only problem I have is that you have convicted the kid without evidence. Now tell me what problems you have with me? I deserve that much.

[Macarthur]

Still hypocritical of you H&L.

[Saggy Aggie]

A&M lawyers apparently have an affidavit signed by one of the sources that says they were paid to lie about the autograph signing crap.....

[Saggy Aggie]

And sources say NCAA will drop Manziel case today

[buff4ever]

This is not a surprising outcome at all.

I am optimistically hoping that now the season is starting he will be able to put this behind him and play football. He doesn't help himself, and his family and friend help less, but no one deserves what he deals with either.

[coachc45]

Our differences are much more then that, the Hesiman has everything to do with what's going on. If he would have not won the Hesiman last year and had the year he had , no one would have given a rats ass what he did in his off season. So do not say winning the Hesiman has nothing to do with his trobles right now, being a Hesiman winner is what made him famous and yes it came from what he did on the field. No one is questioning his abilities on the field, most all have issues with his off field troubles which I personally I am talking about his problems before the autograph problems even came up. Ward Clever Out.

It is funny now that the Autograph thing is coming to a conclusion, and Manziel is going to be cleared, now you are going back to your original problem with Johnny. 50 pages of vile about him breaking these rules and now you say that the autograph stuff was never what you were talking about. Hypocrit is all I have to say.

You have dodged every question I have had for you, but you tell me you have "problems" with me. You refuse to come forward with these problems..... Hypocrit again!
As far as Johnny's off-field troubles, show me one time I have condoned his actions. All I have said at any point is that there was no proof that his drinking caused him to get kicked out of Manning Camp. Actually, all the evidence says he didn't. I said that winning the Heisman has no bearing on whether we should hold him to a higher standard. I still believe it!!!!! And all the rhetoric you spew about being famous and winning the Heisman means he has to become Johnny Perfect is just that.... rhetoric! His winning the Heisman does not make him a better person, yes it makes him in the spotlight so his stuff is magnified. If he doesn't want negative publicity he shouldn't be in the public doing what he does. But the problem is, you think that makes him a bad kid. When it really just makes him a KID. Kids screw up, they either learn from it or they don't. But the fact is, he hasn't done anything each and everyone of us have done.... and by looking down your nose at him, that makes you a Hypocrit!!!

Fire away!!!

[coachc45]

This is not a surprising outcome at all.

I am optimistically hoping that now the season is starting he will be able to put this behind him and play football. He doesn't help himself, and his family and friend help less, but no one deserves what he deals with either.

+1111

[D'Highlander]

A&M lawyers apparently have an affidavit signed by one of the sources that says they were paid to lie about the autograph signing crap.....

who paid him to lie? Watch it be ESPN

[Macarthur]

Wow.

[Saggy Aggie]

All rumor at this point, but I've got my fingers crossed

[BEAST]

who paid him to lie? Watch it be ESPN



Would certainlly make since.




BEAST

[Saggy Aggie]

Interested to hear Rancher's take lol

[BEAST]

Just read an article that Texas A&M chancellor John Sharp said, "I know he (Manziel) is innocent".




BEAST

[Saggy Aggie]

Just read an article that Texas A&M chancellor John Sharp said, "I know he (Manziel) is innocent".




BEAST yeah that was yesterday. And he was already getting a lot of crap for it, even on here from OT... But his comments make sense if you out it all together. He also said he had seen things other people hadnt (affidavit???) which lead him to that conclusion....

[buff4ever]

If ESPN is linked to this mess, which I don't think will come out even if true, how many of you would like to see another sports media source? ESPN is getting to dramatic, they make sports news rather than report it in my opinion. I go there for scores and try and not watch the rest of the drama.

[Macarthur]

If ESPN is linked to this mess, which I don't think will come out even if true, how many of you would like to see another sports media source? ESPN is getting to dramatic, they make sports news rather than report it in my opinion. I go there for scores and try and not watch the rest of the drama.

Well, if you go back and trace this story line, espn was the only source pushing this forward. All the other outlets were simply reporting on espn's stories.

[D'Highlander]

If ESPN is linked to this mess, which I don't think will come out even if true, how many of you would like to see another sports media source? ESPN is getting to dramatic, they make sports news rather than report it in my opinion. I go there for scores and try and not watch the rest of the drama.

I am pulling for Fox Sports 1

[coachc45]

If ESPN is linked to this mess, which I don't think will come out even if true, how many of you would like to see another sports media source? ESPN is getting to dramatic, they make sports news rather than report it in my opinion. I go there for scores and try and not watch the rest of the drama.

I am hoping Fox Sports 1 sticks to reporting scores and everything else that made ESPN great for many years. I wonder that now that ESPN has pissed off the NFL with the "Concussion Scandal" if that will effect their contract with NFL. Is Fox Sports 1 the next home of Monday Night Football?

[Saggy Aggie]

The rumor is that Sharp's comments were to strictly expedite the process and get Johnny cleared

[BEAST]

The rumor is that Sharp's comments were to strictly expedite the process and get Johnny cleared

But do you think he would be making a public statement like that if thought for one second he could be wrong?




BEAST

[Saggy Aggie]

Idk, I'm waiting on this all to be a guy trolling the crap outta texags lol

[Manso/V8]

Another A&M scandal, when will these kids grow up?
The outrage!

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/collegefootball/texas-am-aggies/story/Aggies-football-team-joust-in-locker-roo?blockID=931827&feedID=3742

[Saggy Aggie]

Heard that we shouldn't expect any news today... Hmmm

[rancher]

According to tweets from Rovell and Jeremy Fowler@ CBS Sports, Jim Darnell, Lawyer for Johnny Cash is saying that Uncle Nate has a lot of splaining to do and has hired an attorney.

[Saggy Aggie]

Yep, So looks like Johnny is ultimately gonna be cleared and nate is in trouble...

[OldBison75]

How big of trouble can Nate be in? He is not under the authority of the NCAA. The worst that can happen to him is if there is some kind of written agreement between him and JM or JM's family declaring that he is responsible for financial decisions and is declared an agent.

[Saggy Aggie]

How big of trouble can Nate be in? He is not under the authority of the NCAA. The worst that can happen to him is if there is some kind of written agreement between him and JM or JM's family declaring that he is responsible for financial decisions and is declared an agent.

I think the bigger deal is libel, defamation, etc

[Manso/V8]

I wonder what Old Tiger thinks about the situation now?

[Saggy Aggie]

I wonder what Old Tiger thinks about the situation now?

Yeah, him rancher and H&L.... They wanted to suspend him, take him out behind the barn or whatever the hell rancher was talking about etc.

OT is so upset that Johnny isn't guilty he prolly won't post on this thread anymore.

Btw, the guy breaking all this news is the same guy that first reported A&M to the SEC...

[Emerson1]

I want him to play. That way UT can beat A&M in the national championship.

[Saggy Aggie]

I want him to play. That way UT can beat A&M in the national championship.

Haha with Ash? That'd be ironic

[Old Tiger]

who paid him to lie? Watch it be ESPN

Watch it be an aggie booster to try and cover up

[Old Tiger]

I wonder what Old Tiger thinks about the situation now?

I've said all along that uncle Nate would be the demise of this whole situation given his relationship with Johnny and the NCAA. Even if he acted as an agent for manziel it still would be trouble for Johnny considering the new rules defining an agent that was talked about earlier in this same thread. We do know for a fact that Nate was hired by the manziels to be Johnny's assistant and etc

[Macarthur]

. We do know for a fact that Nate was hired by the manziels to be Johnny's assistant and etc


How do we know this as a fact?

[OldBison75]

How do we know this as a fact?

Because OT and ESPN said so.

[Saggy Aggie]

800 posts smh

[Phil C]

Yakety yak! Bla Bla! :mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKOopPn2k-g

[Saggy Aggie]

Just got my tix for A&M - LSU in Baton Rouge. Day after my birthday. Happy birthday to me

[Saggy Aggie]

According to what I just read, A&M has no plans to sit Manziel due to their confidence in the case.

[Old Tiger]

Travis Haney ‏@TravHaneyESPN 1m
Source said NCAA investigators questioned Manziel on Sunday for nearly 6 hours. It's unclear whether additional questioning is necessary.

now this...


http://blog.chron.com/sportsupdate/2013/08/am-coaches-players-ordered-to-refuse-questions-about-manziel/?cmpid=hpbn



Sounds like something big could or could not be going down.

[Manso/V8]

now this...


http://blog.chron.com/sportsupdate/2013/08/am-coaches-players-ordered-to-refuse-questions-about-manziel/?cmpid=hpbn



Sounds like something big could or could not be going down.

Sounds more like they are tired of the constant badgering and focus being taken away from the team, game, and season.

That was totally a non-news blog, accompanied by a gallery of photos of Johnny being a college student.

I will say the photo of him in the Scooby Doo costume and the cute Aggiette is impressive.

[hookandladder]

Gee Ward..... The only problem I have is that you have convicted the kid without evidence. Now tell me what problems you have with me? I deserve that much.

I feel I have said enough for you to know where I stand with kids behavior these days, what I and other did years ago is just not the same. The laws are much different these days, you feel that does not and makes me a hypocrit. Bottom line - I do not care what you are any other person on this board thinks of me, i will raise my son my way and you can raise your's your way. Read post 756 , I feel the same way and posted earlier I agree 100%.

[hookandladder]

It is funny now that the Autograph thing is coming to a conclusion, and Manziel is going to be cleared, now you are going back to your original problem with Johnny. 50 pages of vile about him breaking these rules and now you say that the autograph stuff was never what you were talking about. Hypocrit is all I have to say.

You have dodged every question I have had for you, but you tell me you have "problems" with me. You refuse to come forward with these problems..... Hypocrit again!
As far as Johnny's off-field troubles, show me one time I have condoned his actions. All I have said at any point is that there was no proof that his drinking caused him to get kicked out of Manning Camp. Actually, all the evidence says he didn't. I said that winning the Heisman has no bearing on whether we should hold him to a higher standard. I still believe it!!!!! And all the rhetoric you spew about being famous and winning the Heisman means he has to become Johnny Perfect is just that.... rhetoric! His winning the Heisman does not make him a better person, yes it makes him in the spotlight so his stuff is magnified. If he doesn't want negative publicity he shouldn't be in the public doing what he does. But the problem is, you think that makes him a bad kid. When it really just makes him a KID. Kids screw up, they either learn from it or they don't. But the fact is, he hasn't done anything each and everyone of us have done.... and by looking down your nose at him, that makes you a Hypocrit!!!

Fire away!!!

I do not have a problem with you, you and I definietly see things differently with kids these days. that is your choice , you have questioned my beleifs and I have questioned yours. Hypocrit, that's what you call it. Good one Coach.

[Weebe]

Apparently, Paul Manziel can't raise his son his way. At least not without you judging him.

[coachc45]

I do not have a problem with you, you and I definietly see things differently with kids these days. that is your choice , you have questioned my beleifs and I have questioned yours. Hypocrit, that's what you call it. Good one Coach.

The problem is that you are basing your opinion on how I raise my kids over my thoughts that you are convicting Johnny Manziel without evidence. I have never once questioned how you raise your son, and I have not elaborated on how I have raised my 2. You see this issue is not about raising our sons, it is about your belief that Johnny Manziel should be punished and convicted without evidence. How you make the leap from Johnny Manziel's issues to how I raise my kids is beyond me. You have made assumptions about how I raise my kids without knowing a thing about me!!!! To that I am completely offended!!!! How you and I raise kids is not relevent in this conversation.

[Macarthur]

Sounds like something big could or could not be going down.

Very insightful OT.

[Saggy Aggie]

Very insightful OT.

Lol that's what I was thinking.

[hookandladder]

The problem is that you are basing your opinion on how I raise my kids over my thoughts that you are convicting Johnny Manziel without evidence. I have never once questioned how you raise your son, and I have not elaborated on how I have raised my 2. You see this issue is not about raising our sons, it is about your belief that Johnny Manziel should be punished and convicted without evidence. How you make the leap from Johnny Manziel's issues to how I raise my kids is beyond me. You have made assumptions about how I raise my kids without knowing a thing about me!!!! To that I am completely offended!!!! How you and I raise kids is not relevent in this conversation.

I think you and Mac tend to read more into post then what there really is, I am a hypocrit in your eyes because I will not allow my son to do the things that I did in college. You can call me a hypocrit all you want for that , still will not change the fact I expect more from my son now days. That is all I am saying about Manziel expecially since he is a Hesiman winner , just because of what we did college does not make it right to do the same now. Times have changed , DWI's and possibly killing someone will ruin a kid for life. Yea , I will do anything in my power to keep my kid from making a life changing mistake, not saying something still could happen but if it does I want to know I did everything in my power to prevent it from happening. Also I have not ever convicted Manziel of anything, I simple made comments on what has been reported. If Manziel is guilty of receiving cash , then yes he should be punished. If not he plays, most likely Uncle Nate will be the root of the problem and who hired him.

[Saggy Aggie]

I think we should talk about Johnny.... Considering that's what this thread is about...

[Macarthur]

I think you and Mac tend to read more into post then what there really is, I am a hypocrit in your eyes because I will not allow my son to do the things that I did in college. You can call me a hypocrit all you want for that , still will not change the fact I expect more from my son now days. That is all I am saying about Manziel expecially since he is a Hesiman winner , just because of what we did college does not make it right to do the same now. Times have changed , DWI's and possibly killing someone will ruin a kid for life. Yea , I will do anything in my power to keep my kid from making a life changing mistake, not saying something still could happen but if it does I want to know I did everything in my power to prevent it from happening. Also I have not ever convicted Manziel of anything, I simple made comments on what has been reported. If Manziel is guilty of receiving cash , then yes he should be punished. If not he plays, most likely Uncle Nate will be the root of the problem and who hired him.

I called you a hypocrite because YOU did the same things that you are being critical of Johnny. I could care less about your kids.

What makes you a hypocrite is being judge and jury over his minor transgressions, in the grand scheme of things, while fully admitting that you did the exact same things. That is the definition of hypocrisy.

[hookandladder]

I called you a hypocrite because YOU did the same things that you are being critical of Johnny. I could care less about your kids.

What makes you a hypocrite is being judge and jury over his minor transgressions, in the grand scheme of things, while fully admitting that you did the exact same things. That is the definition of hypocrisy.

No that is called being a parent, see you cannot see the difference of growing up 40 years ago. You cannot allow your kids to make the same mistakes you did back then, the price you end up paying for your mistakes are life changing now days. You call me a Hypocrit all you want but my opinion will never change , just because I did it back then and you say all colege kids are doing it now does not make it right and yes they have a choice to make. You seem to think all kids will make the bad choice , well I feel you are dead wrong that all kids will not make the bad choice. Call me stupid or a Hypocrit , I can live with that but can you live with what might happen if the bad choice cost you your kids life or someones elses. I will preach it till he is on his own financially and you know why, because I can and I hold the money.

[pancho villa]

All you fools need a lesson on raising your kids! Call me when you are ready!

[buff4ever]

No that is called being a parent, see you cannot see the difference of growing up 40 years ago. You cannot allow your kids to make the same mistakes you did back then, the price you end up paying for your mistakes are life changing now days. You call me a Hypocrit all you want but my opinion will never change , just because I did it back then and you say all colege kids are doing it now does not make it right and yes they have a choice to make. You seem to think all kids will make the bad choice , well I feel you are dead wrong that all kids will not make the bad choice. Call me stupid or a Hypocrit , I can live with that but can you live with what might happen if the bad choice cost you your kids life or someones elses. I will preach it till he is on his own financially and you know why, because I can and I hold the money.

Hook is a little more right on this most recent discussion. Just because I did something while growing up, doesn't mean I have to accept that it is a given my son will or should do the same things. He may, and I will not kick him to the street for it, but that doesn't mean I will not try first to keep him on the better path all the way through. I was lucky to never hurt anyone or get in any kind of trouble, I would prefer my children to minimize their level of exposure to these unfortunate actions much better than I, even though I was lucky enough to get through without any disasters.

This has been my complaint with JM and his family. I am not terribly upset by anything they have done per say, but they could, without much effort, lower their level of exposure on these topics by simply carrying themselves a little better and understanding that the media will be the media. Yes, because JM won the heisman, his level of exposure went way up, everyone could have seen that coming. All he had to do was lay low on the social media sites, and he could have avoided a lot of this. Whether you have a problem with it or not, I would say that there is substantial evidence that he is an under age drinker. Most of us were, but we also tried to cover it up and not advertise it when we were. This is just one example of how he has turned people off. It is not that we think he is awful for drinking while under age, it is the simple fact that he turns people off because he puts it out there for everyone to see; implying that he is above everyone and it doesn't matter what he does. Most college students and athletes that drink before 21 choose to do it at private parties or with fake id's both implying they know it is wrong, but don't want to be caught, hence proving they don't think they are above any system or body.

JM and his family come across as thinking they are above most of these things. Like most people in this situation, I can see how they might would get that impression from the fans and media; but most people deep down know better than that. JM as I have said before will play this year, and will probably not be found guilty of receiving money in this deal. He will probably have another great year, because I think on the field is when he is at his best. We can wish that he was a lot of things off the field, but they just may not come true, but on the field he is a heck of an athlete, and will continue to give many teams fits, and probably be easy to hate if you are not an aggie. Some aggies like myself may not think much of him off the field, or want my kids to carry themselves the way he does. But I also will not be counting on any athlete to raise my kids. That is my job. Unfortunately there is a problem with some kids in this world that don't have parents that raise them correctly, and that is where pressure gets put on these star athletes to act a certain way. But is it JM's fault that his parents didn't raise him the way we would choose to raise our children? That is the question. JM gets blamed for all of his actions, and at some level he is obviously responsible for his choices. However, I still put a lot more on his parents given that he is 20 and still very much influenced by his upbringing.

Sorry for the rant, just felt like it today I guess.

[Deuce]

Can't wait for this thread to die!!

[coachc45]

I think you and Mac tend to read more into post then what there really is, I am a hypocrit in your eyes because I will not allow my son to do the things that I did in college. You can call me a hypocrit all you want for that , still will not change the fact I expect more from my son now days. That is all I am saying about Manziel expecially since he is a Hesiman winner , just because of what we did college does not make it right to do the same now. Times have changed , DWI's and possibly killing someone will ruin a kid for life. Yea , I will do anything in my power to keep my kid from making a life changing mistake, not saying something still could happen but if it does I want to know I did everything in my power to prevent it from happening. Also I have not ever convicted Manziel of anything, I simple made comments on what has been reported. If Manziel is guilty of receiving cash , then yes he should be punished. If not he plays, most likely Uncle Nate will be the root of the problem and who hired him.

See you are wrong.... you are the one reading incorrectly. I have not brought up how you raise your kids. This entire issue has nothing to do with YOUR KID!!!! Raise your child how you want to!!!!

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOUR KID!!!!! I say hypocrit because you hold JOHNNY MANZIEL to different standards than you do YOURSELF!!!! That is the definition of Hypocracy. You have over and over said that he is guilty, you have called for his dismissal from the team, and at no time have you had proof. That is called convicting Johnny Manziel without evidence!

How you raise your kid is your business and I've never told you you were wrong. I have even told you that I raise my kids that way also...... But it is Hypocritical to say that JM should act a certain way if you did it yourself. See his parents have the right to raise THEIR child how they see fit.

[pancho villa]

See you are wrong.... you are the one reading incorrectly. I have not brought up how you raise your kids. This entire issue has nothing to do with YOUR KID!!!! Raise your child how you want to!!!!

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOUR KID!!!!! I say hypocrit because you hold JOHNNY MANZIEL to different standards than you do YOURSELF!!!! That is the definition of Hypocracy. You have over and over said that he is guilty, you have called for his dismissal from the team, and at no time have you had proof. That is called convicting Johnny Manziel without evidence!

How you raise your kid is your business and I've never told you you were wrong. I have even told you that I raise my kids that way also...... But it is Hypocritical to say that JM should act a certain way if you did it yourself. See his parents have the right to raise THEIR child how they see fit.

You need to take something for your issues

[coachc45]

Hook is a little more right on this most recent discussion. Just because I did something while growing up, doesn't mean I have to accept that it is a given my son will or should do the same things. He may, and I will not kick him to the street for it, but that doesn't mean I will not try first to keep him on the better path all the way through. I was lucky to never hurt anyone or get in any kind of trouble, I would prefer my children to minimize their level of exposure to these unfortunate actions much better than I, even though I was lucky enough to get through without any disasters.

This has been my complaint with JM and his family. I am not terribly upset by anything they have done per say, but they could, without much effort, lower their level of exposure on these topics by simply carrying themselves a little better and understanding that the media will be the media. Yes, because JM won the heisman, his level of exposure went way up, everyone could have seen that coming. All he had to do was lay low on the social media sites, and he could have avoided a lot of this. Whether you have a problem with it or not, I would say that there is substantial evidence that he is an under age drinker. Most of us were, but we also tried to cover it up and not advertise it when we were. This is just one example of how he has turned people off. It is not that we think he is awful for drinking while under age, it is the simple fact that he turns people off because he puts it out there for everyone to see; implying that he is above everyone and it doesn't matter what he does. Most college students and athletes that drink before 21 choose to do it at private parties or with fake id's both implying they know it is wrong, but don't want to be caught, hence proving they don't think they are above any system or body.

JM and his family come across as thinking they are above most of these things. Like most people in this situation, I can see how they might would get that impression from the fans and media; but most people deep down know better than that. JM as I have said before will play this year, and will probably not be found guilty of receiving money in this deal. He will probably have another great year, because I think on the field is when he is at his best. We can wish that he was a lot of things off the field, but they just may not come true, but on the field he is a heck of an athlete, and will continue to give many teams fits, and probably be easy to hate if you are not an aggie. Some aggies like myself may not think much of him off the field, or want my kids to carry themselves the way he does. But I also will not be counting on any athlete to raise my kids. That is my job. Unfortunately there is a problem with some kids in this world that don't have parents that raise them correctly, and that is where pressure gets put on these star athletes to act a certain way. But is it JM's fault that his parents didn't raise him the way we would choose to raise our children? That is the question. JM gets blamed for all of his actions, and at some level he is obviously responsible for his choices. However, I still put a lot more on his parents given that he is 20 and still very much influenced by his upbringing.

Sorry for the rant, just felt like it today I guess.

I don't disagree with Hook's method of raising kids! They are his kids. I don't care if he thinks his kid should or shouldn't drink. But when it comes to how one adult behaves compared to another I think it is wrong to hold them to a higher standard than you hold yourself. Johnny Manziel is not Hook's kid, he is a 20 yr old college kid. If you were a kid in college and you did the things JM is doing then you have no right to criticize that kid. If JM is your son..... then criticize away, if he ain't then don't criticize JM.

My biggest complaint is that every accusation that comes out, Hook takes as truth. He doesn't wait for facts he forms an opinion and says JM should be kicked out. Don't convict kids without evidence. That's all.

This issue isn't about Hook's kid. It's Johnny Manziel. Don't bring your own kids into it! Apples to Oranges.

[coachc45]

You need to take something for your issues

Under advisement..... but I kind of take offense when a dude who doesn't know me criticizes how I raise my kids!!!!

Sorry

[buff4ever]

I don't disagree with Hook's method of raising kids! They are his kids. I don't care if he thinks his kid should or shouldn't drink. But when it comes to how one adult behaves compared to another I think it is wrong to hold them to a higher standard than you hold yourself. Johnny Manziel is not Hook's kid, he is a 20 yr old college kid. If you were a kid in college and you did the things JM is doing then you have no right to criticize that kid. If JM is your son..... then criticize away, if he ain't then don't criticize JM.

My biggest complaint is that every accusation that comes out, Hook takes as truth. He doesn't wait for facts he forms an opinion and says JM should be kicked out. Don't convict kids without evidence. That's all.

This issue isn't about Hook's kid. It's Johnny Manziel. Don't bring your own kids into it! Apples to Oranges.

I agree for the most part. You have to remember that Hook is most likely a Longhorn fan, or more so a longhorn fan than an aggie at a minimum.

Where I think most people have a problem with JM is when he puts his behavior out there, legal or not, instead of acting like most college underage kids or us when we were that age. We were smart enough to try and hide our under age drinking from the general public or law enforcement. So, the point is that I didn't do the same things he does in college. We both drank at an illegal age, and we both had a very good time. I am okay to this point. Where we steer apart is that I knew what I was doing was wrong, and I wanted as few people as possible to know what was going on. My friends that I was hanging out with was enought to be honest. JM seems to not mind the entire world knowing what he is doing. I knew I was wrong, chose to do so, but also knew there could be consequences. JM seems to think there are no consequences to his actions, and I would tend to believe if some were brought on him, he would act as though he had been wronged.

[pancho villa]

Under advisement..... but I kind of take offense when a dude who doesn't know me criticizes how I raise my kids!!!!

Sorry

Don't let him get to you. How can he know how you raise your kids.

[pancho villa]

Under advisement..... but I kind of take offense when a dude who doesn't know me criticizes how I raise my kids!!!!

Sorry

Hookandladder has talked out of his A$$ since he joined this site. He also is a standaround guy(so what does that tell you)

[Manso/V8]

A lot of animosity on this thread!

[hookandladder]

I don't disagree with Hook's method of raising kids! They are his kids. I don't care if he thinks his kid should or shouldn't drink. But when it comes to how one adult behaves compared to another I think it is wrong to hold them to a higher standard than you hold yourself. Johnny Manziel is not Hook's kid, he is a 20 yr old college kid. If you were a kid in college and you did the things JM is doing then you have no right to criticize that kid. If JM is your son..... then criticize away, if he ain't then don't criticize JM.

My biggest complaint is that every accusation that comes out, Hook takes as truth. He doesn't wait for facts he forms an opinion and says JM should be kicked out. Don't convict kids without evidence. That's all.

This issue isn't about Hook's kid. It's Johnny Manziel. Don't bring your own kids into it! Apples to Oranges.

You are still reading more into my post, I have never once said Manziel should be dismissed from the team. All I have said all along is where there is smoke there is normally fire and I do not agree with the way he is representing a Hesiman winner, yes he is held to a higher standard because of winning. I will say it again, Times have changed big time. Manziel has made a number of bad choices in the last year , let's see if he has learned anything from them. You can go on and on about the way I feel about raising kids , if my opinion on Manziel offends you so be it. It anit gonna change, end of story. I can live with being called a Hypocrit on a message board, I will not lose any sleep over it -you can bet on that. That should be pretty clear on where I stand, Out.

[hookandladder]

Hookandladder has talked out of his A$$ since he joined this site. He also is a standaround guy(so what does that tell you)

Standaround guy with a State Championship to boot.

[pancho villa]

Standaround guy with a State Championship to boot.

Who cares!!!

[Saggy Aggie]

Who cares!!!

Haha

[HEMOTOXIC]

Hook is a little more right on this most recent discussion. Just because I did something while growing up, doesn't mean I have to accept that it is a given my son will or should do the same things. He may, and I will not kick him to the street for it, but that doesn't mean I will not try first to keep him on the better path all the way through. I was lucky to never hurt anyone or get in any kind of trouble, I would prefer my children to minimize their level of exposure to these unfortunate actions much better than I, even though I was lucky enough to get through without any disasters.

This has been my complaint with JM and his family. I am not terribly upset by anything they have done per say, but they could, without much effort, lower their level of exposure on these topics by simply carrying themselves a little better and understanding that the media will be the media. Yes, because JM won the heisman, his level of exposure went way up, everyone could have seen that coming. All he had to do was lay low on the social media sites, and he could have avoided a lot of this. Whether you have a problem with it or not, I would say that there is substantial evidence that he is an under age drinker. Most of us were, but we also tried to cover it up and not advertise it when we were. This is just one example of how he has turned people off. It is not that we think he is awful for drinking while under age, it is the simple fact that he turns people off because he puts it out there for everyone to see; implying that he is above everyone and it doesn't matter what he does. Most college students and athletes that drink before 21 choose to do it at private parties or with fake id's both implying they know it is wrong, but don't want to be caught, hence proving they don't think they are above any system or body.

JM and his family come across as thinking they are above most of these things. Like most people in this situation, I can see how they might would get that impression from the fans and media; but most people deep down know better than that. JM as I have said before will play this year, and will probably not be found guilty of receiving money in this deal. He will probably have another great year, because I think on the field is when he is at his best. We can wish that he was a lot of things off the field, but they just may not come true, but on the field he is a heck of an athlete, and will continue to give many teams fits, and probably be easy to hate if you are not an aggie. Some aggies like myself may not think much of him off the field, or want my kids to carry themselves the way he does. But I also will not be counting on any athlete to raise my kids. That is my job. Unfortunately there is a problem with some kids in this world that don't have parents that raise them correctly, and that is where pressure gets put on these star athletes to act a certain way. But is it JM's fault that his parents didn't raise him the way we would choose to raise our children? That is the question. JM gets blamed for all of his actions, and at some level he is obviously responsible for his choices. However, I still put a lot more on his parents given that he is 20 and still very much influenced by his upbringing.

Sorry for the rant, just felt like it today I guess.

Well said Buff!

[Macarthur]

No that is called being a parent, see you cannot see the difference of growing up 40 years ago. You cannot allow your kids to make the same mistakes you did back then, the price you end up paying for your mistakes are life changing now days.

He's where you are having a real hard time with nuances. Everything is black and white with you.

I don't want my kids drinking when they're 19 either. I will parent them and teach them what they should or should not do. That is not hypocritical. Trying to teach your kids through your own mistakes is logical.

Where it crosses the line is if you in a morally superior manner and approach teaching moments with condescension, etc. there's also an element here that is specific to the person. For example, I may have a 27 year old child that simply can't handle alcohol. I will deal with them differently than my other child that may be 20 and is extremely responsible and likes to drink some beer with his friends but never acts irresponsibly.

See, I think too many people equate our countries laws and morality. Some times they intertwine but sometimes not. I do not view the law about being 21 to legally drink having anything to do with morality. There is nothing at all immoral about a 20 year old having a beer. Period.

So, don't make my point to mean that because I made mistakes in my life I am not able to teach my kids based on those mistakes. No rational adult would not see the nuance there.


You call me a Hypocrit all you want but my opinion will never change , just because I did it back then and you say all colege kids are doing it now does not make it right and yes they have a choice to make.

But I'm not saying those things are okay. You are really struggling with thinking about this beyond a superficial level.

Hypocrisy means that you are judging Johnny on a diff curve than you even do yourself. That has nothing to do with Johnny's rightness or wrongness.



You seem to think all kids will make the bad choice , well I feel you are dead wrong that all kids will not make the bad choice.

Here again, you are thinking about this on a very superficial level. Of course kids make bad choices! Good grief.


Call me stupid or a Hypocrit , I can live with that but can you live with what might happen if the bad choice cost you your kids life or someones elses. I will preach it till he is on his own financially and you know why, because I can and I hold the money.

Wow.

[hookandladder]

Who cares!!!

pancho - the Football wannabe , the true waterboy.

[coachc45]

Don't let him get to you. How can he know how you raise your kids.

Exactly.... but he keeps telling me how he disagrees with me cuz I think JM is innocent until proof is provided. You are right.

[coachc45]

You are still reading more into my post, I have never once said Manziel should be dismissed from the team. All I have said all along is where there is smoke there is normally fire and I do not agree with the way he is representing a Hesiman winner, yes he is held to a higher standard because of winning. I will say it again, Times have changed big time. Manziel has made a number of bad choices in the last year , let's see if he has learned anything from them. You can go on and on about the way I feel about raising kids , if my opinion on Manziel offends you so be it. It anit gonna change, end of story. I can live with being called a Hypocrit on a message board, I will not lose any sleep over it -you can bet on that. That should be pretty clear on where I stand, Out.

No one has criticized how you raise your kid!!!!!!! I have not said a word about your kid. Yet you keep saying I have. I have not. It is not about how you raise your kid or how I raise mine.

Raise your kid how you want to, you are doing a great job. I don't see how you think me saying you are hypocritical about Johnny Manziel is a criticism of youy child raising abilities.

[1st and goal]

Pancho is one tortilla eating son of a gun. I swear I saw him in the background on the Texas Tech Raider football field picking up tortillas during a halftime interview....

[pancho villa]

Pancho is one tortilla eating son of a gun. I swear I saw him in the background on the Texas Tech Raider football field picking up tortillas during a halftime interview....

I might do that, however you would never catch me at a TT game, they are losers!

[1st and goal]

I might do that, however you would never catch me at a TT game, they are losers!

Maybe it was your primo?

[pancho villa]

Maybe it was your primo?

Could of been my Tio

[hookandladder]

I called you a hypocrite because YOU did the same things that you are being critical of Johnny. I could care less about your kids.

What makes you a hypocrite is being judge and jury over his minor transgressions, in the grand scheme of things, while fully admitting that you did the exact same things. That is the definition of hypocrisy.


Yes and I was a Hesiman winner, great comparison.

[Macarthur]

Yes and I was a Hesiman winner, great comparison.

Irrelevant.

[hookandladder]

Irrelevant.

Your right , it is . No comparison.

[Farmersfan]

Hook is a little more right on this most recent discussion. Just because I did something while growing up, doesn't mean I have to accept that it is a given my son will or should do the same things. He may, and I will not kick him to the street for it, but that doesn't mean I will not try first to keep him on the better path all the way through. I was lucky to never hurt anyone or get in any kind of trouble, I would prefer my children to minimize their level of exposure to these unfortunate actions much better than I, even though I was lucky enough to get through without any disasters.

This has been my complaint with JM and his family. I am not terribly upset by anything they have done per say, but they could, without much effort, lower their level of exposure on these topics by simply carrying themselves a little better and understanding that the media will be the media. Yes, because JM won the heisman, his level of exposure went way up, everyone could have seen that coming. All he had to do was lay low on the social media sites, and he could have avoided a lot of this. Whether you have a problem with it or not, I would say that there is substantial evidence that he is an under age drinker. Most of us were, but we also tried to cover it up and not advertise it when we were. This is just one example of how he has turned people off. It is not that we think he is awful for drinking while under age, it is the simple fact that he turns people off because he puts it out there for everyone to see; implying that he is above everyone and it doesn't matter what he does. Most college students and athletes that drink before 21 choose to do it at private parties or with fake id's both implying they know it is wrong, but don't want to be caught, hence proving they don't think they are above any system or body.

JM and his family come across as thinking they are above most of these things. Like most people in this situation, I can see how they might would get that impression from the fans and media; but most people deep down know better than that. JM as I have said before will play this year, and will probably not be found guilty of receiving money in this deal. He will probably have another great year, because I think on the field is when he is at his best. We can wish that he was a lot of things off the field, but they just may not come true, but on the field he is a heck of an athlete, and will continue to give many teams fits, and probably be easy to hate if you are not an aggie. Some aggies like myself may not think much of him off the field, or want my kids to carry themselves the way he does. But I also will not be counting on any athlete to raise my kids. That is my job. Unfortunately there is a problem with some kids in this world that don't have parents that raise them correctly, and that is where pressure gets put on these star athletes to act a certain way. But is it JM's fault that his parents didn't raise him the way we would choose to raise our children? That is the question. JM gets blamed for all of his actions, and at some level he is obviously responsible for his choices. However, I still put a lot more on his parents given that he is 20 and still very much influenced by his upbringing.

Sorry for the rant, just felt like it today I guess.


There is also the added dimension that JM appears to have gotten caught. I repeat what i said earlier that we can't simply ignore or accept negative or wrongful behavior just because "We DID IT" or "EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING IT" as Mac thinks we should. If we set higher standards now than we did as stupid kids then apparently according to Mac we are hypocrits. And Mac: I think the true definition of hypocrit would be to judge someone for doing what we are currently doing. Not what we did and learned from in the past...... To me anyway.

[Farmersfan]

Exactly.... but he keeps telling me how he disagrees with me cuz I think JM is innocent until proof is provided. You are right.



From an impartial observer I'd have to say that you are guilty of at least as much of a predetermined position as Hook and OT are. You obviously like JM and support TA&M so it would take obviously hard hitting evidence to sway your opinion. But not everybody requires that hard evidence and can formulate an opinion based on a preponderance of what we do know already. I for one couldn't care one way or the other but I will say if JM isn't found guilty of this it is almost certainly a quarantee that he will eventually be found quilty of something. That's just how Johnny Football rolls.............................

[Macarthur]

Your right , it is . No comparison.

No. Irrelevant that he's a heisman winner.

[Macarthur]

There is also the added dimension that JM appears to have gotten caught. I repeat what i said earlier that we can't simply ignore or accept negative or wrongful behavior just because "We DID IT" or "EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING IT" as Mac thinks we should. If we set higher standards now than we did as stupid kids then apparently according to Mac we are hypocrits. And Mac: I think the true definition of hypocrit would be to judge someone for doing what we are currently doing. Not what we did and learned from in the past...... To me anyway.

If you will go back to my post that directly addresses this point I think you will see that there is a diff in being hypocritical and being able to use our past mistakes to educate others.

[Farmersfan]

If you will go back to my post that directly addresses this point I think you will see that there is a diff in being hypocritical and being able to use our past mistakes to educate others.



What does any of this even mean? It's all sappy semantics crap Mac. And you can call it "nuances" if you want but in the context that you called everybody who disagrees with you a hypocrite there is no educating going on. You specifically stated that judging someone now for something we did 30 years ago is hypocritical.... That is borderline retarded if you ask me. If you truly want to get to the bottom line of this fair judgement thing then perhaps you should ask Hook's parents how they judged him 30 years ago when he did the things Manziel is doing now......... But you can't compare how a kid judged himself 30 years ago to how that same kid as an adult judges kids today after he has already learned from his mistakes...... Get it?

Question Mac: Do you have kids?

[Macarthur]

What does any of this even mean? It's all sappy semantics crap Mac. And you can call it "nuances" if you want but in the context that you called everybody who disagrees with you a hypocrite there is no educating going on. You specifically stated that judging someone now for something we did 30 years ago is hypocritical.... That is borderline retarded if you ask me. If you truly want to get to the bottom line of this fair judgement thing then perhaps you should ask Hook's parents how they judged him 30 years ago when he did the things Manziel is doing now......... But you can't compare how a kid judged himself 30 years ago to how that same kid as an adult judges kids today after he has already learned from his mistakes...... Get it?

Question Mac: Do you have kids?

There's lots of retarded on this thread for sure. Sappy semantics! Weird. The problem is too many folks want to view the world as black and white. Seldom is the reality that clear.

Yes, I have 3 kids.

[hookandladder]

There is also the added dimension that JM appears to have gotten caught. I repeat what i said earlier that we can't simply ignore or accept negative or wrongful behavior just because "We DID IT" or "EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING IT" as Mac thinks we should. If we set higher standards now than we did as stupid kids then apparently according to Mac we are hypocrits. And Mac: I think the true definition of hypocrit would be to judge someone for doing what we are currently doing. Not what we did and learned from in the past...... To me anyway.

Amen again, I guess it just sounds better the way you put it. My point exactly, you hit the nail on the head.

[hookandladder]

If you will go back to my post that directly addresses this point I think you will see that there is a diff in being hypocritical and being able to use our past mistakes to educate others.

Who is the Hypocrit now.

[hookandladder]

What does any of this even mean? It's all sappy semantics crap Mac. And you can call it "nuances" if you want but in the context that you called everybody who disagrees with you a hypocrite there is no educating going on. You specifically stated that judging someone now for something we did 30 years ago is hypocritical.... That is borderline retarded if you ask me. If you truly want to get to the bottom line of this fair judgement thing then perhaps you should ask Hook's parents how they judged him 30 years ago when he did the things Manziel is doing now......... But you can't compare how a kid judged himself 30 years ago to how that same kid as an adult judges kids today after he has already learned from his mistakes...... Get it?

Question Mac: Do you have kids?

Good Stuff.

[Macarthur]

Who is the Hypocrit now.

We are all hypocrites at one point or another. The diff is that some folks are self aware and make a conscious effort to not be

[Old Tiger]

Kevin Sumlin always looks so uncomfortable in interviews.

[Manso/V8]

Kevin Sumlin always looks so uncomfortable in interviews.

He is shy.

[hookandladder]

We are all hypocrites at one point or another. The diff is that some folks are self aware and make a conscious effort to not be

So now I am not the only hypocrite , interesting.

[Old Tiger]

Even if Manziel didn't profit off of autographs he is still punishable for signing autographs for brokers knowing they had intent to sell the items. He and the University should have tried to prevent and stop the selling of these autographs. Not doing that and Manziel lying to A&M compliance back in March about how he didn't sign them leads one to believe that something could go donw.

[Old Tiger]

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5168/k94b.jpg

[Old Tiger]

Liucci thinks he could get suspended for what I mentioned

http://www.campusinsiders.com/videos/JjYXJ5ZDrePfTs6nxWDPKGFbDWyrZmFV

[Manso/V8]

Liucci thinks he could get suspended for what I mentioned

http://www.campusinsiders.com/videos/JjYXJ5ZDrePfTs6nxWDPKGFbDWyrZmFV

You are really ate up with Johnny.
Are you getting any sleep?

[Old Tiger]

You are really ate up with Johnny.
Are you getting any sleep?

Yeah from roughly 8 am - 4 pm


Other than that I'm Money Badger all the time!

[Scoop27]

All four Houston TV sportscasts giving this story a lot of coverage

[Saggy Aggie]

Liucci thinks he could get suspended for what I mentioned

http://www.campusinsiders.com/videos/JjYXJ5ZDrePfTs6nxWDPKGFbDWyrZmFV

interesting take. I could see this happening.

[Saggy Aggie]

There is a report saying the NCAA will speak up today.... Maybe...

[Macarthur]

Even if Manziel didn't profit off of autographs he is still punishable for signing autographs for brokers knowing they had intent to sell the items. He and the University should have tried to prevent and stop the selling of these autographs. Not doing that and Manziel lying to A&M compliance back in March about how he didn't sign them leads one to believe that something could go donw.

Yeah, I've been reading up on this one and there's a strong feeling that the NCAA doesn't want to go there because it opens a huge can of worms. There are numerous other high profile players that could fall under this umbrella and the las thing the NCAA wants is its top players all under some sort of cloud.

[buff4ever]

Yeah, I've been reading up on this one and there's a strong feeling that the NCAA doesn't want to go there because it opens a huge can of worms. There are numerous other high profile players that could fall under this umbrella and the las thing the NCAA wants is its top players all under some sort of cloud.

I agree, this would cause a big mess. Do you suspend JM, and then all the others get to play, yeah right. Do you suspend all of them, wow. Old Tiger is just hell bent that JM not play.

We will find out soon enough what is going to go down. All the speculating on here has gotten out of hand, saturday will be here before we know it. Then we will know, unless A&M and NCAA decide to announce something early.

[Old Tiger]

Yeah, I've been reading up on this one and there's a strong feeling that the NCAA doesn't want to go there because it opens a huge can of worms. There are numerous other high profile players that could fall under this umbrella and the las thing the NCAA wants is its top players all under some sort of cloud.

The can of works that will be opened if they don't on this issue would be detrimental to ncAa them selves and would clearly make it open season for this kind of stuff.



Also back in march said manziel told a and m compliance office he was never associated with these brokers and signed anything if I remember correctly.

[Saggy Aggie]

Liucci expects news Thursday

[Macarthur]

The can of works that will be opened if they don't on this issue would be detrimental to ncAa them selves and would clearly make it open season for this kind of stuff.



Also back in march said manziel told a and m compliance office he was never associated with these brokers and signed anything if I remember correctly.

OT, you are so letting your bias on this get in the way of your clear thinking.

There autographs from the same broker with clowney, miller and even bridgewater. Is the NCAA going to investigate those guys as well? No, they're not going to do that.

And let's not forget the minor detail (sarcasm) regarding the NCAA no longer selling the player jerseys on their website. What is the diff in the NCAA selling JFF s jersey with his knowledge and the broker that sells his autographed jersey. And before you go off saying those are two diff things, they are not different. The NCAA president said himself that he understands why people would view that as hypocritical.

[Saggy Aggie]

Hearing Manziel will be suspended for the first half of the rice game....

[Saggy Aggie]

All indications are that Manziel not found guilty of accepting payment...

[BEAST]

Hearing Manziel will be suspended for the first half of the rice game....

ESPN just reported that that is the fact.




BEAST

[caleb_mccaig]

Getting paid and getting away with it. What college athlete wouldn't do that?

[Weebe]

I find this beyond hilarious.

[Saggy Aggie]

'An agreement has been reached between Texas A&M and the NCAA and this closes the book on this matter'

[caleb_mccaig]

'An agreement has been reached between Texas A&M and the NCAA and this closes the book on this matter'

As much as I dislike A&M this was the right way to go about it. Don't ruin a teams college football season because he did something he isn't supposed to do for another year.

[Saggy Aggie]

Can't wait to hear OT, H&L and Rancher's take on this.... LOL

[GrTigers6]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/manziel-given-half-game-suspension-ncaa-195251415.html

[Saggy Aggie]

Kyle field is gonna go insane when he comes in the game...

[Macarthur]

What a crazy ride.

[OldBison75]

Now the other players that were identified with items on EBay from the same brokers need to get the same punishment. Otherwise, this is only a farce. If he did not accept money but is being punished for signing the items that were to be sold by brokers-so did the others that have been identified. Plus, the NCAA needs to be suspended for a half for selling their jersey's. The way I figure it, one half for each player jersey the NCAA sold on its website would add up to about 100 halves they would be suspended. Two years plus without the NCAA might not be a bad thing.

[Scoop27]

I'll take a Willie Nelson autograph on my vinyl albums any day than any sports figures

[OLE'BULL]

Now the other players that were identified with items on EBay from the same brokers need to get the same punishment. Otherwise, this is only a farce. If he did not accept money but is being punished for signing the items that were to be sold by brokers-so did the others that have been identified. Plus, the NCAA needs to be suspended for a half for selling their jersey's. The way I figure it, one half for each player jersey the NCAA sold on its website would add up to about 100 halves they would be suspended. Two years plus without the NCAA might not be a bad thing.

I am not 100% sure, but I think this is an A&M imposed suspension. I know, I know, why would they suspend him if he was not guilty?!?! They can say its b/c he is guilty of conduct detrimental (sp?) to the team, causing a distraction, etc. They can spin it however they want. But again, I dont think the NCAA has anything to do with the suspension. Its just the Ags trying to show they take these distractions "seriously".

[hookandladder]

Well since he did nothing wrong and was totally innocent , he is still going to be suspended for half a game. Damn if I knew I or my son was 100% innocent why in the hell would you agree to any kind of suspension. This suspension is exactly in line as far as how Johnny Football has been discipled his whole life , a little slap on the wrist. Johnny Football lives by the Aggie code of honor , all is well in aggieland. Win at all cost, you aggie code of honor.

[BEAST]

Kyle field is gonna go insane when he comes in the game...

Yup. A&M should have suspended him for the 2nd half, LOL. It will only take 1 half for JF and the rest of the Ags to put Rice away.




BEAST

[BEAST]

Well since he did nothing wrong and was totally innocent , he is still going to be suspended for half a game. Damn if I knew I or my son was 100% innocent why in the hell would you agree to any kind of suspension. This suspension is exactly in line as far as how Johnny Football has been discipled his whole life , a little slap on the wrist. Johnny Football lives by the Aggie code of honor , all is well in aggieland. Win at all cost, you aggie code of honor.

LOL. Texas doesnt play the win at all cost game at all do they? Dude really?




BEAST

[Roughneck93]

This is hilarious.

I guess Uncle Nate is ​smarter than the NCAA...:D

[hookandladder]

LOL. Texas doesnt play the win at all cost game at all do they? Dude really?




BEAST

Texas who, Tech or State.

[BEAST]

Texas who, Tech or State.

Take your pick. I bet they all slap each other on the butt and say coach, "put the second team in. Its not fair that they never get to play. Equal playing time for all"




BEAST

[New Taiton]

Well since he did nothing wrong and was totally innocent , he is still going to be suspended for half a game. Damn if I knew I or my son was 100% innocent why in the hell would you agree to any kind of suspension. This suspension is exactly in line as far as how Johnny Football has been discipled his whole life , a little slap on the wrist. Johnny Football lives by the Aggie code of honor , all is well in aggieland. Win at all cost, you aggie code of honor.

PPPPoooooooooorrrr Hoooookanddumber

He wasn't suspended for taking money. He was suspended for signing his name on objects that would "probably" be sold for a profit.

Don't hurt yourself tonight.

Lol.

[Saggy Aggie]

Well since he did nothing wrong and was totally innocent , he is still going to be suspended for half a game. Damn if I knew I or my son was 100% innocent why in the hell would you agree to any kind of suspension. This suspension is exactly in line as far as how Johnny Football has been discipled his whole life , a little slap on the wrist. Johnny Football lives by the Aggie code of honor , all is well in aggieland. Win at all cost, you aggie code of honor.

Haha BUTTHURT

[Weebe]

Texas who, Tech or State.

My guess would be that you went to Texas State, not Texas. why don't you tell us about their team?

[buff4ever]

it is funny to read those that are upset. They act as those the accusations that were not proven to be true, are the worst that anyone can have against them. Yet their own college team they chear for probably allow so much worse to skirt by without punishment unknown or not at all. Then they criticize a&m for suspending him for a half for probably some team rule infraction at best. Butt hurt is the best way to explain some of you guys comments at this point.

Like I have said before, you don't have to like him, his family, or their behavior, but since he hasn't been proven guilty of taking money, what exactly has JM done that is worse than other players around the county other than act a fool off the field. I think there are probably other athletes around the nation that act a fool as well, that doesn't make it a good idea, but let's not make JM out to be some form of the devil here.

My biggest deal is, we should blame his parents, not him as much up to this point.

[1st and goal]

Well since he did nothing wrong and was totally innocent , he is still going to be suspended for half a game. Damn if I knew I or my son was 100% innocent why in the hell would you agree to any kind of suspension. This suspension is exactly in line as far as how Johnny Football has been discipled his whole life , a little slap on the wrist. Johnny Football lives by the Aggie code of honor , all is well in aggieland. Win at all cost, you aggie code of honor.

I can read right through this post and see the green eyes...:weeping:

[buff4ever]

Well since he did nothing wrong and was totally innocent , he is still going to be suspended for half a game. Damn if I knew I or my son was 100% innocent why in the hell would you agree to any kind of suspension. This suspension is exactly in line as far as how Johnny Football has been discipled his whole life , a little slap on the wrist. Johnny Football lives by the Aggie code of honor , all is well in aggieland. Win at all cost, you aggie code of honor.

This is the least intelligent post you have made in some time hook. Now that it is typed on on the board, do you look back at this one and think, "I shouldn't have posted that one!"? I hope so, if not, you probably need to step back and take a deep breath and review things.

I expected something like this from Old Tiger, so that should tell you how immature you sounded here.

No hard feelings, I know this is a sore subject for anyone that wants a&m to lose.

[New Taiton]

This is the least intelligent post you have made in some time hook.

That's saying a lot, because hoookanddumber posts a lot of stupid 5hit.

I've never seen a person have such a case of pen15 envy as this guy does with Texas A&M and JM.

What this board has to realize is that Old Tiger and Hookanddumber are just trolls. They provide nothing intelligent. Their sole purpose is to stir the pot.

[movethechain]

He's just a 20 year old kid leave him alone.

Did OT really write this? Yep, way back in post #6. Someone else must have been at his 'puter that day.

[Old Tiger]

That's saying a lot, because hoookanddumber posts a lot of stupid 5hit.

I've never seen a person have such a case of pen15 envy as this guy does with Texas A&M and JM.

What this board has to realize is that Old Tiger and Hookanddumber are just trolls. They provide nothing intelligent. Their sole purpose is to stir the pot.
I'm a troll and provided nothing intelligent? Okay?


Sorry our opinions differed on this.

[Saggy Aggie]

I'm a troll and provided nothing intelligent? Okay?


Sorry our opinions differed on this.

Well you are a troll.... Lol

[hsbtex]

That's saying a lot, because hoookanddumber posts a lot of stupid 5hit.

I've never seen a person have such a case of pen15 envy as this guy does with Texas A&M and JM.

What this board has to realize is that Old Tiger and Hookanddumber are just trolls. They provide nothing intelligent. Their sole purpose is to stir the pot.

hysterical!!!

[New Taiton]

I'm a troll and provided nothing intelligent? Okay?


Sorry our opinions differed on this.

You're absolutely a troll. You type drivel on your keyboard and post it on this site.

Whether or not our opinions differ, you are a troll.

[Weebe]

What's great is that there is now a 900 post thread about this because hookandladder and old tiger are totally *************** by A&M and Manziel.

[Old Tiger]

What's great is that there is now a 900 post thread about this because hookandladder and old tiger are totally *************by A&M and Manziel.

It's 900 post because you jackasses arguing about parenting. I've stayed away from this thread when that started happening. Plus a Meta thread is better than 20 threads on the same subject.

[hookandladder]

It was something to do for 61 pages, we all know now he did nothing wrong. You a fool if you believe that but you are aggies. Ha Ha.

[Saggy Aggie]

It's 900 post because you jackasses arguing about parenting. I've stayed away from this thread when that started happening. Plus a Meta thread is better than 20 threads on the same subject.

edited...........lhpm

But yeah... I couldn't be happier just to spite the haters

[Old Tiger]

.

But yeah... I couldn't be happier just to spite the hatersIs this suspension by the Aggies or actually the NCAA? I just woke up and haven't had much time to catch up.

[Saggy Aggie]

It was something to do for 61 pages, we all know now he did nothing wrong. You a fool if you believe that but you are aggies. Ha Ha.

Yeah we're fools because after investigation, the NCAA found no wrong doing and we believe that. Johnny got suspended for inadvertently allowing his name to be used to make money...

You STILL think he did something wrong with no evidence, a full investigation and a quote from the NCAA saying he didn't do anything wrong. C'mon man.... BUTTHURT

[Saggy Aggie]

Is this suspension by the Aggies or actually the NCAA? I just woke up and haven't had much time to catch up.

Joint agreement between the 2

[hookandladder]

PPPPoooooooooorrrr Hoooookanddumber

He wasn't suspended for taking money. He was suspended for signing his name on objects that would "probably" be sold for a profit.

Don't hurt yourself tonight.

Lol.

Nice first post on this thread, LOSER.

[Weebe]

It was something to do for 61 pages, we all know now he did nothing wrong. You a fool if you believe that but you are aggies. Ha Ha.

It's funny to make fun of Aggies until you have to admit that you really went to Texas State and not Texas, huh?

[regaleagle]

Hey Weebe....are you denigrating my Texas State Bobcats now? I'm proud to be a Bobcat alum....got a great education there. I attended UT for a semester too, then went back to what was then SWTSU to finish. It's a fine school with fine educators with a great business school.

[hookandladder]

Hey Weebe....are you denigrating my Texas State Bobcats now? I'm proud to be a Bobcat alum....got a great education there. I attended UT for a semester too, then went back to what was then SWTSU to finish. It's a fine school with fine educators with a great business school.

Weebe is a graduate of El Campo Rice birds , you know that is a former 4A school that had to drop down to 3A to have one good year. Now he can talk crap on a 3A board and feel good, a real winner.

[Saggy Aggie]

C'mon guys.... This thread is about how awesome Johnny is and how BUTTHURT all the longhorn fans are

[Old Tiger]

Guys,

We have bigger issues now. Did Johnny violate A&M code of conduct about never lying, cheating, stealing, or tolerating anyone who does?


This ruling and suspension did in fact show that Johnny was caught lying to Texas A&M compliance offices back in March. He told them he'd never met these brokers or signed autographs for them.


Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.

[Manso/V8]

Guys,

We have bigger issues now. Did Johnny violate A&M code of conduct about never lying, cheating, stealing, or tolerating anyone who does?


This ruling and suspension did in fact show that Johnny was caught lying to Texas A&M compliance offices back in March. He told them he'd never met these brokers or signed autographs for them.


Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.

My sources tell me the 1/2 game suspension was a knee jerk response to the intense scrutiny and pressure levied against A&M by Old Tiger.

As a football fan, I am glad that we will get to see JFF play this year.
That Alabama game is gonna have some rare atmosphere.

[Saggy Aggie]

Guys,

We have bigger issues now. Did Johnny violate A&M code of conduct about never lying, cheating, stealing, or tolerating anyone who does?


This ruling and suspension did in fact show that Johnny was caught lying to Texas A&M compliance offices back in March. He told them he'd never met these brokers or signed autographs for them.


Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.

Hahaha

[Old Tiger]

My sources tell me the 1/2 game suspension was a knee jerk response to the intense scrutiny and pressure levied against A&M by Old Tiger.

My sources say it was Old Army! I hear the NCAA was going to come down harder but the Ags said they would use military force upon the NCAA if so. However real or fake their military is.

[Manso/V8]

Last word.

[GrTigers6]

I love how people on here think that they have to cut down where people are from because they cant beat the argument of the one that they are mad at. Grow up and DEBATE. That's what its all about not how you can insult someone else. And If yall haven't Noticed. ITS FOOTBALL SEASON. Good luck to all!

[hollywood]

I'm a Longhorn fan and glad to see Manziel be able to play.

Haters quit hatin'. Good-ness. GrTigers6 is right, it's football season!

That's all.

[Saggy Aggie]

Lets get it Johnny

[Weebe]

It was something to do for 61 pages, we all know now he did nothing wrong. You a fool if you believe that but you are aggies. Ha Ha.


Weebe is a graduate of El Campo Rice birds , you know that is a former 4A school that had to drop down to 3A to have one good year. Now he can talk crap on a 3A board and feel good, a real winner.

Keep living through your kids, my man.

I actually accomplished a lot in high school, college and professionally.

My parents didn't set me up with everything I have.

[Old Tiger]

Keep living through your kids, my man.

I actually accomplished a lot in high school, college and professionally.

My parents didn't set me up with everything I have.

I half assed high school and college and got an awesome job because I interview well.

[Weebe]

It was something to do for 61 pages, we all know now he did nothing wrong. You a fool if you believe that but you are aggies. Ha Ha.


Hey Weebe....are you denigrating my Texas State Bobcats now? I'm proud to be a Bobcat alum....got a great education there. I attended UT for a semester too, then went back to what was then SWTSU to finish. It's a fine school with fine educators with a great business school.

Not at all. I have very good friends that went to SWT. Very successful.

That's why I'm not sure why guys like hookandladder have to latch on to Texas. Texas State has a D1 program now. support them.

You don't see actual Longhorns or Aggies supporting Alabama because they are more high profile than the school they actually attended.

[Weebe]

It was something to do for 61 pages, we all know now he did nothing wrong. You a fool if you believe that but you are aggies. Ha Ha.


I half assed high school and college and got an awesome job because I interview well.

Congrats. I half assed high school college and law school and work for myself.

[Weebe]

Weebe is a graduate of El Campo Rice birds , you know that is a former 4A school that had to drop down to 3A to have one good year. Now he can talk **** on a 3A board and feel good, a real winner.

Sounds like somebody still has sand in their vagina because they got an ass whipping in the playoffs.

[Old Tiger]

This thread is awesome.