3A Division II State Semifinal: Brownwood (14-0) vs. Carthage (12-2) [Archive] - Page 3

Rocket

12-05-2010, 12:25 AM

BLACK ATTACK

12-05-2010, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
Ok Mr. Sweat...I bet you lived up to your name against Carthage..LOL

Maybe, Maybe not....you probably don't really want to know for sure. Since you think everything is funny. I'll tell you what I think is funny about the biggest mouth on this board. It's sitting here reading everything a "never was" has to say about a sport that he was never good enough at but to sit and watch, and live through a bunch of talented kids so he can feel good about himself. Now that's funny.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by lakrfool
Oh dear. I immediately apologize for ruffling your delicate sensibilities.

I'll just leave it at "uneducated hater."

Better?

You have to be very careful on here. Some people can't handle things that aren't PC. It's all in the way you say it. Just call them a bunch of East Texas, hater-aid drinking, stupid people...that's alot better. LOL

lakrfool

12-05-2010, 12:30 AM

I have lately been thoroughly PC with my smack, as I was instructed to after about 6 posts into this joint & I got in trouble from one of the admins.

I have managed to play by the rules since then. If this leaves you butthurt, then tell me where you are & I will find a local CVS/Walgreens & you can get some cream.

I do not suffer fools lightly. FYI

XO- lakrfool

GO BROWNWOOD!!

Rocket

12-05-2010, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by BLACK ATTACK
Maybe, Maybe not....you probably don't really want to know for sure. Since you think everything is funny. I'll tell you what I think is funny about the biggest mouth on this board. It's sitting here reading everything a "never was" has to say about a sport that he was never good enough at but to sit and watch, and live through a bunch of talented kids so he can feel good about himself. Now that's funny.

I agree...and I laugh more than anybody on here...I can play the sport. I can play alot of sports. Any time you want to challenge me in something let me know...Let's play some basketball....I bet you aren't athletic enough to make a layup...but you can probably run blindside into a barn like a big man... LOL

Inmateboss

12-05-2010, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Not made a decision yet on who I think wins yet...as far as match ups..It is strength agianst strength IMO as far Bwood Passing game vs Carthage Passing D...Pope for Carthage is one of the best pure Safties I have seen in a long time.

Run game of Bwood..vs Run D of Carthage is again real close..Kendall Thompson the Carthage LB is a true No Bull Blue chip stud..and how they use him in the system is smart allows him to roam the field

Carthage Run game vs Bwood Run D...Carthage is stubborn and will always run even if down 14-0 or gaining only 2 yds per carry..I do think they can and will wear down Bwoods smallish front

Carthage Pass vs Bwood Pass D..this match up might decide the game...Carthage loves the play action..if the run game sets it up, the Bwood LB and safties better not take the false step...Carthage off the play action run two level routes..one going deep one sitting over the middle..When Morgan is making the right decision they are hard to stop..but sometimes he tries for the deep pass when it is not there...his scramble ability is alot like Brown, VERY underrated. they wont rush for 250, but both QBs can make big conversions on 3rd and 6 type plays with their feet

If Bwood forces Thompson to spy on Brown that helps them because he is at best when he can play sideline to sideline.

So after all that my prediction is......Find out on the show this week ;)

Well gosh... I wonder who you'll pick??? Sounds so even!!!

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
Well gosh... I wonder who you'll pick??? Sounds so even!!!

I was actually giving Rocket who knows the strength of Bwood a little of what makes Carthage good and why they can pose problems for Bwood..Rocket( who asked for the breakdown) knows the names and strengths for his team, so I was giving him the names and strenghts for their opponent..as I said earlier right now I am leaning to Bwood

Rocket

12-05-2010, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by BLACK ATTACK
Well, its a none of your business question in my book.

First, your defense is not good enough to stop Carthage 4 times, I've seen both. Have you? Second, yes I picked Argyle to win because I live there and support them, but I picked them by 1/2 point because I didn't know enough about them to pick anything else. Just like you don't.

You never responded to me last week when I posted our defensive stats. You ran away. So I will do it again...

BROWNWOOD LION TEAM DEFENSE (through Borger)
198 points (15.2 per game)
3,673 total yards (282.6 per game)
1,744 passing yards (134.2 per game)
1,929 rushing yards (148.4 per game)
79 penalties for 621 yards
61 punts for 1,769 yards, 29.0 average
67 Tackles for Loss
32 Sacks
43 Turnovers (29 interceptions, 14 fumbles)

Post Argyles...

BLACK ATTACK

12-05-2010, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
I agree...and I laugh more than anybody on here...I can play the sport. I can play alot of sports. Any time you want to challenge me in something let me know...Let's play some basketball....I bet you aren't athletic enough to make a layup...but you can probably run blindside into a barn like a big man... LOL

This is your stupidest post yet, and you got a bunch. To think you could challenge me in anything athletically is comical, and certainly tells me that you know nothing about me. Better refer back to my other post, and find someone else if you want to go there. I'm the wrong one. Get back to what you are good at, homering BW, which is the blanket that keeps you warm at night.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by BLACK ATTACK
This is your stupidest post yet, and you got a bunch. To think you could challenge me in anything athletically is comical, and certainly tells me that you know nothing about me. Better refer back to my other post, and find someone else if you want to go there. I'm the wrong one. Get back to what you are good at, homering BW, which is the blanket that keeps you warm at night.

Let's see...you are an all world athlete, football expert, and true smack talker all rolled up in one? Wow...:rolleyes:

Yup...I agree. You are the wrong one...Wrong about everything.

Answer my defensive stat post....let's compare numbers through 13 games...LOL

BLACK ATTACK

12-05-2010, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
You never responded to me last week when I posted our defensive stats. You ran away. So I will do it again...

BROWNWOOD LION TEAM DEFENSE (through Borger)
198 points (15.2 per game)
3,673 total yards (282.6 per game)
1,744 passing yards (134.2 per game)
1,929 rushing yards (148.4 per game)
79 penalties for 621 yards
61 punts for 1,769 yards, 29.0 average
67 Tackles for Loss
32 Sacks
43 Turnovers (29 interceptions, 14 fumbles)

Post Argyles...

Played NOBODY, with the exception of Stephenville. Your offense is great. Your defense is AVERAGE.

What does Argyle's stats have anything to do with Carthage whipping ya'lls _ _ _? Argyle's done. I'm well aware of that. Since you are such an authority, I would stop worrying about Argyle's stats, and start worrying about what you are going to do with carthage's offense.

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 12:43 AM

Rocket

12-05-2010, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by BLACK ATTACK
Played NOBODY, with the exception of Stephenville. Your offense is great. Your defense is AVERAGE.

What does Argyle's stats have anything to do with Carthage whipping ya'lls _ _ _? Argyle's done. I'm well aware of that. Since you are such an authority, I would stop worrying about Argyle's stats, and start worrying about what you are going to do with carthage's offense.

You want me to prepare for our game with Carthage? LOL Um, I am ready now to watch it. It's cool. I just show up and watch the game. I guess I need to dress appropriately so I don't get cold. But I can decide that the day of the game. Other than that, I am all good...

Rocket

12-05-2010, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Argyle( What I have)

15.1 PPG
143 yds passing a game
141 yds rushing a game
282 a game total

sorry dont have more

And the only good team they barely beat was LL. LOL Sorry...Argyle was average at best.

Carthage proved Argyle was hype. Now it's time to prove if Brownwood is hype.

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
And the only good team they barely beat was LL. LOL Sorry...Argyle was average at best.

Carthage proved Argyle was hype. Now it's time to prove if Brownwood is hype.

Well honestly Rocket..who is the good team Bwood beat? I would say Stephenville...who else? especially in regular season

BLACK ATTACK

12-05-2010, 12:53 AM

Rocket

12-05-2010, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Well honestly Rocket..who is the good team Bwood beat? I would say Stephenville...who else? especially in regular season

I believe Shipley did his best to get us some good competition. We even went after Celina (but we all know that story). Yes, Stephenville was a good team and we annihilated them. And I would go on to say that the rest of the teams were in no way great. Snyder was good enough to spank Kennedale and Brownwood manhandled them pretty good. The key factor is Brownwood imposing it's will on every team, and not playing down. (ahem, Sanger) That takes a lot of discipline. Brownwood did what a good team should do with the schedule they played. There just aren't a lot of great teams in 3A. It is hard to know what you are getting into every year. I would also say Bridgeport is better than every team on Argyle's schedule except LL. I think Bport gives Sanger all they can handle and wins...

lakrfool

12-05-2010, 12:55 AM

Albeit I'm a rookie, unless another individual offers up some chaff worthy of my ire, it's in the bag for the Wood.

Have fun with hot-dog measuring contest this week....

"West Texas is longer, but East Texas is bigger around!!" Whatever...

You guys have fun.

CARTHAGE IS DEEP IN THE PINES, BUT THEY HAVEN'T SEEN THE 'WOOD!!

Rocket

12-05-2010, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by BLACK ATTACK
And Brownwood has played who, that could beat LL?

Stephenville would have smashed LL...and Argyle for that matter.

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
. There just aren't a lot of great teams in 3A..

Wow..

Rocket

12-05-2010, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Wow..

Name the great teams in 3A this year...I said GREAT, that would give us some street cred. Within acceptable driving distance.

It's late..I meant great 3A teams in our area...

Rocket

12-05-2010, 01:01 AM

Also, going into our season, we had China Spring, Stephenville, Wylie, Big Spring (just dropped down), Snyder, and Graham. All good programs that had accomplished alot the previous season. But since we killed all these teams, they were written off as no good...and that is true to a point that they weren't GREAT, with the exception of Sville...I would say Shipley did his best...

orange machine

12-05-2010, 01:10 AM

Ok let me take another stab at this. Brownwood is really good and Carthage is really good. Ok now having said that I've seen both teams play this year right ok. Now when I saw Brownwood play I was like dang they are really good they will win D2 with no problems. Then I saw Carthage Friday and I was blown away at how good they are. In seeing both teams Carthage has all the right things size, speed and pure athletes. Brownwood has speed and athletes, but that's it. I was more impressed with Carthage and can see they are gonna present big problems for Brownwood because they have it all. Shipley will get his, but it will be so much harder and Brownwood will not score at will like they have been. Brownwood can win if Carthage makes mistakes, but from what I've seen from both teams Carthage is a little better.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by orange machine
Ok let me take another stab at this. Brownwood is really good and Carthage is really good. Ok now having said that I've seen both teams play this year right ok. Now when I saw Brownwood play I was like dang they are really good they will win D2 with no problems. Then I saw Carthage Friday and I was blown away at how good they are. In seeing both teams Carthage has all the right things size, speed and pure athletes. Brownwood has speed and athletes, but that's it. I was more impressed with Carthage and can see they are gonna present big problems for Brownwood because they have it all. Shipley will get his, but it will be so much harder and Brownwood will not score at will like they have been. Brownwood can win if Carthage makes mistakes, but from what I've seen from both teams Carthage is a little better.

Are you referring to the All Saints game?

BLACK ATTACK

12-05-2010, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
I believe Shipley did his best to get us some good competition. We even went after Celina (but we all know that story). Yes, Stephenville was a good team and we annihilated them. And I would go on to say that the rest of the teams were in no way great. Snyder was good enough to spank Kennedale and Brownwood manhandled them pretty good. The key factor is Brownwood imposing it's will on every team, and not playing down. (ahem, Sanger) That takes a lot of discipline. Brownwood did what a good team should do with the schedule they played. There just aren't a lot of great teams in 3A. It is hard to know what you are getting into every year. I would also say Bridgeport is better than every team on Argyle's schedule except LL. I think Bport gives Sanger all they can handle and wins...

You think, you think, you think....but you don't know anything except BW's schedule was a cakewalk, although we know Shipley tried pretty hard to do better. Fact is, you don't know anything about the teams over here because you are stuck in some hole in NM. Sanger played outside their minds that night, and deserved the game to be that close. BW has not played very many teams that could beat them anyway. As far as Bridgeport goes, the only reason you give them any credit is because they put 30+ on your average defense, and they were way down from where they usually are.

BLACK ATTACK

12-05-2010, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
Stephenville would have smashed LL...and Argyle for that matter.

If BW was able to beat Stephenville that bad, I assure you that they would not have smashed either Argyle or LL. Another one of your 5798 comments in which you have no idea what you are talking about

orange machine

12-05-2010, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
Are you referring to the All Saints game?
No saw y'all throw everything y'all had at IP. I think y'all have a great team please don't get me wrong, but Carthage might have lost two games, but they are not the same team from earlier in the season. I look at it like this I believe Brownwood was maxed out as good as y'all were gonna be early in the season. Carthage on the other hand srarted out slower, but is growing more every week which us bad for anybody in there way.

LoboesWT

12-05-2010, 01:21 AM

Rocket

12-05-2010, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by BLACK ATTACK
If BW was able to beat Stephenville that bad, I assure you that they would not have smashed either Argyle or LL. Another one of your 5798 comments in which you have no idea what you are talking about

And what makes you such a know it all? Lol Last time I checked, your opinion means as much as mine. Neither one of us get paid to share it.

I will let you have your opinion. Just this once...

Rocket

12-05-2010, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by LoboesWT
Don't forget about Monahans, I don't want my feelers hurt!:)

It doesn't matter what we think. Black Attack has to agree that you are worth a crap before it's true. I'm guessing he doesn't think highly of Monahans since we only allowed 14 points. Our defense is average. Sorry.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by orange machine
No saw y'all throw everything y'all had at IP. I think y'all have a great team please don't get me wrong, but Carthage might have lost two games, but they are not the same team from earlier in the season. I look at it like this I believe Brownwood was maxed out as good as y'all were gonna be early in the season. Carthage on the other hand srarted out slower, but is growing more every week which us bad for anybody in there way.

I understand the peaking concept and Carthage rolling. They are a great team. No doubt. It will be a fun game for sure. I'm ready to see what a 4 Qtr game looks like against Brownwood. Maybe it will happen, maybe not. We shall see... when the stakes are high, the intensity is thick. This is what it's all about.

LoboesWT

12-05-2010, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
It doesn't matter what we think. Black Attack has to agree that you are worth a crap before it's true. I'm guessing he doesn't think highly of Monahans since we only allowed 14 points. Our defense is average. Sorry.
Thx for the acknowledgement at least. BA (black attack not for other acronym) has to be the biggest BW hater out there over the past few weeks. I am a convert, I have seen many a 3a teams and Brownwood reminds me of the talent Everman had when they were making there runs, with the exception that Brownwood may have better team speed. Carthage will not be able to adjust to the many ways BW can attack. I believe B-dub could run that big back and turn the spread into 4 Yards and a cloud of dust if they do choose!

BLACK ATTACK

12-05-2010, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
It doesn't matter what we think. Black Attack has to agree that you are worth a crap before it's true. I'm guessing he doesn't think highly of Monahans since we only allowed 14 points. Our defense is average. Sorry.

My opinions are based on what I have actually seen. What about yours? And if Monahans was only able to muster up 14 points angainst your defense, then no I don't think much of that. The one good passing team that you have played put up 30+ on you, and IP had almost 500 yards of offense. Good luck with Carthage...your gonna need it in the worst way whether you THINK so, or not.

Inmateboss

12-05-2010, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by BLACK ATTACK
and IP had almost 500 yards of offense.

And how many points did that put on the board!!! Just asking:rolleyes:

BLACK ATTACK

12-05-2010, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
And how many points did that put on the board!!! Just asking:rolleyes:

Carthage aint IP.:rolleyes:

Rocket

12-05-2010, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by BLACK ATTACK
My opinions are based on what I have actually seen. What about yours? And if Monahans was only able to muster up 14 points angainst your defense, then no I don't think much of that. The one good passing team that you have played put up 30+ on you, and IP had almost 500 yards of offense. Good luck with Carthage...your gonna need it in the worst way whether you THINK so, or not.

88-24

All the talking will be decided on the field...

GR Tiger_14

12-05-2010, 02:04 AM

Its gonna be a big game. Carthage is the 2-time defending state champs and it is gonna be tough to stop them from getting their 3rd. I think this game right here is the state championship pretty much. Winner of this one wins it all. When it all comes down to it, I think this game will be all about turnovers. If BW wins, I think they will roll in the championship with ease.

GR Tiger_14

12-05-2010, 02:08 AM

Bare with me on that last post, I did alot of thinking:D

I used I think in almost all the sentences.

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
I understand the peaking concept and Carthage rolling. They are a great team. No doubt. It will be a fun game for sure. I'm ready to see what a 4 Qtr game looks like against Brownwood. Maybe it will happen, maybe not. We shall see... when the stakes are high, the intensity is thick. This is what it's all about.

I'm getting tired of you posting obvious and "butt slapping" posts. Either be the jerk we know you can be, or shut up. No need to try and be even-handed at this point.:D

bobcat1

12-05-2010, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
I believe Shipley did his best to get us some good competition. We even went after Celina (but we all know that story). Yes, Stephenville was a good team and we annihilated them. And I would go on to say that the rest of the teams were in no way great. Snyder was good enough to spank Kennedale and Brownwood manhandled them pretty good. The key factor is Brownwood imposing it's will on every team, and not playing down. (ahem, Sanger) That takes a lot of discipline. Brownwood did what a good team should do with the schedule they played. There just aren't a lot of great teams in 3A. It is hard to know what you are getting into every year. I would also say Bridgeport is better than every team on Argyle's schedule except LL. I think Bport gives Sanger all they can handle and wins... :lies: 2 shots in one post. Found out the other day the real story on that game "Brownwood wanted". :thinking: Seems your coaches wouldn't or couldn't adjust to the week we had free for whatever reason.:rolleyes: Maybe that was All Saints week.:rolleyes: And Brownwood played west Texas the rest of the year. Stephenville was weak at best at the time you played them. So run along to this week and stop trying to lessen what Celina did or Argyle to make Brownwood better. :tisk:

Looking4number8

12-05-2010, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by bobcat1
:lies: 2 shots in one post. Found out the other day the real story on that game "Brownwood wanted". :thinking: Seems your coaches wouldn't or couldn't adjust to the week we had free for whatever reason.:rolleyes: Maybe that was All Saints week.:rolleyes: And Brownwood played west Texas the rest of the year. Stephenville was weak at best at the time you played them. So run along to this week and stop trying to lessen what Celina did or Argyle to make Brownwood better. :tisk:

Now I have not been a Celina basher but the thruth is Brownwood had an open week and Celina had an open week (same date) Brownwood wanted the game, Celina did not for what ever reason... Celina filled that date with another team (no adjusting the schedule, just filled the date). Brownwood was not able to fill the date until late into July which is why we played All Saints... no regrets, we got to visit Jerry's world for a $10 ticket, it all worked out for me!

LH Panther Mom

12-05-2010, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Greetings and Salutations Brownwood Lions! I would have been here sooner but the paid email thing kept changing my mind. That and the black screen causing epileptic siezures. (JK). Looking forward to a great game Friday!
:wave: :wave: Howdy!

LH Panther Mom

12-05-2010, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by lakrfool

No one in particular.

Maybe I am underestimating the good folks of the 3ADL.

I'm not sure I can facilitate an entire week of unfounded bullcrap from a bunch of uneducated haters in an imaginary tug-of-war of mentally challenged individuals.
I can help with that, if need be!

Looking4number8

12-05-2010, 08:48 AM

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bobcat1

12-05-2010, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Looking4number8
Now I have not been a Celina basher but the thruth is Brownwood had an open week and Celina had an open week (same date) Brownwood wanted the game, Celina did not for what ever reason... Celina filled that date with another team (no adjusting the schedule, just filled the date). Brownwood was not able to fill the date until late into July which is why we played All Saints... no regrets, we got to visit Jerry's world for a $10 ticket, it all worked out for me! That is not the case at all but everyone believes what they need to believe for what ever reason. The town of Brownwood wanted the game but for whatever reason the 2 coaching staffs could not come up with an arrangement to play the games. Celina has routinely asked at coaches meetings for any team to step up in past years and Brownwood never would. I guess with this one team they wanted to play Celina according to their fans. Maybe next year???? Or will that be too late. What really derailed it was Brownwood coaches would not schedule for 2 years as most teams do when schedules are made. They only wanted this one year. Fear of next year was the determing factor from what I understand. So have fun with this year and all that.

Looking4number8

12-05-2010, 09:11 AM

Now I have no knowledge of not wanting a two year deal or not is true but it does not make any sense. What team would do that? Also a few post ago didnt you say we would not adjust to the week yall wanted? now it is we did not want a two year deal? Which is it... are you just making things up as you go along? Again, I am not being a Celina basher, if your coach did not want to play for whatever reason, (distance was the excuse yall used in Febuary) thats fine, but no reason to say we were the ones that did not want the game.

It would have been fun and sold a lot of tickets, too bad it did not get to happen

bobcat1

12-05-2010, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by Looking4number8
Now I have no knowledge of not wanting a two year deal or not is true but it does not make any sense. What team would do that? Also a few post ago didnt you say we would not adjust to the week yall wanted? now it is we did not want a two year deal? Which is it... are you just making things up as you go along? Again, I am not being a Celina basher, if your coach did not want to play for whatever reason, (distance was the excuse yall used in Febuary) thats fine, but no reason to say we were the ones that did not want the game.

It would have been fun and sold a lot of tickets, too bad it did not get to happen It was two-fold. One the schedule would not work out for whatever reason (place (distance and place due to school budget constraints) or date) and 2, the two year deal is pretty standard across Texas since re-alignment happens every 2 years. That is why Celina did not play Pilot Point 2 years. And if you wanted it bad enough you could have come to Celina to play. It costs money to rent a stadium and travel.

DaHop72

12-05-2010, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
haha That dude is no football expert and either are you, for that matter.

He watched that uneventful game with Borger and All Saints. Both of those games were dominated by Brownwood but no where near our best performances. Too bad Argyle was ALL hype. So, you're saying you are a football expert Rockee?:thinking: :thinking: :doh: :doh:

bobcat1

12-05-2010, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by DaHop72
So, you're saying you are a football expert Rockee?:thinking: :thinking: :doh: :doh: He's a football expert about like our current Post Turtle is a President.:p

DaHop72

12-05-2010, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
Just questioning all that speed talk and hype that is being spewed nonstop...If we were in 3A all this time we would have had many more state title chances...trust me. Quit talking about things you have no idea about, Captain 2A... :thinking: :thinking: So does that mean we need to refer to you as Captain 4A???:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:

Rocket

12-05-2010, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
I'm getting tired of you posting obvious and "butt slapping" posts. Either be the jerk we know you can be, or shut up. No need to try and be even-handed at this point.:D

Just trying to keep you on your toes... I sense some nervousness from you wimbo. Hmmm... :thinking:

Rocket

12-05-2010, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by bobcat1
He's a football expert about like our current Post Turtle is a President.:p

Have I once made a claim based on watching a team? No. I make blind claims and hope for the best! Lol

ctown

12-05-2010, 09:42 AM

What's this about NM. How many Brownwood football games has Rocket really been to this glorious season? How many other football games in Texas has Rocket been to this season? We're not counting any 7on7 or films on line.

DaHop72

12-05-2010, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by lakrfool

This site is stupid with unprecedented claims & proclamations.

If you don't have a legitimate take with facts to back it up, then SFheckU!! (edited...Sinton)

Mindless barking is just that...you might as well be chained to a tree in my backyard!!

Sit Boy!! Sit!! Easy boy, you don't want Rockee to quit posting do you??:D :D

DaHop72

12-05-2010, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by ccmom
Wait a minute...are we talking about the same pic? :doh: :D :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

DaHop72

12-05-2010, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
LOL :thumbsup:

I loved your previous post. Awesome. You have another brother beside Kid Ice?:devil: :devil: :D :D

LH Panther Mom

12-05-2010, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by DaHop72
You have another brother beside Kid Ice?:devil: :devil: :D :D
Oh my! GMTA! :D

DaHop72

12-05-2010, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Oh my! GMTA! :D :kiss: :kiss:

BEAST

12-05-2010, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by ctown
What's this about NM. How many Brownwood football games has Rocket really been to this glorious season? How many other football games in Texas has Rocket been to this season? We're not counting any 7on7 or films on line.

He made about half the regular season games and all but 1 playoff game.

BEAST

ccmom

12-05-2010, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by BEAST
He made about half the regular season games and all but 1 playoff game.

BEAST Hey BEAST, how did your boys do yesterday?

gonktacular

12-05-2010, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by ccmom
What about McShan? Is he ok?

This never got answered so I'll tell you what I know.

As of the end of the game Friday Vance either has a strained MCL or a torn MCL. If it's just strained he will play Friday. If it's torn he's out.

Haven't heard anything else this weekend but I'll keep you guys updated.

BEAST

12-05-2010, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by ccmom
Hey BEAST, how did your boys do yesterday?

We did ok. Missed advancing by 2 points. But, for their first trip to a major tourney, I thought they did good.

BEAST

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
Just trying to keep you on your toes... I sense some nervousness from you wimbo. Hmmm... :thinking:

LOL..nervousness? Well, probably. But I can assure you it isnt from worrying about the Lions. It's from worrying about Coldspring. I suggest you do the same...worry about your opponent this coming Friday, not the following.

BEAST

12-05-2010, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by gonktacular
This never got answered so I'll tell you what I know.

As of the end of the game Friday Vance either has a strained MCL or a torn MCL. If it's just strained he will play Friday. If it's torn he's out.

Haven't heard anything else this weekend but I'll keep you guys updated.

Talked to Vance last night, it's just a strain, he's playing.

BEAST

gonktacular

12-05-2010, 10:43 AM

Sweet. We need him out there!

Rocket

12-05-2010, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by ctown
What's this about NM. How many Brownwood football games has Rocket really been to this glorious season? How many other football games in Texas has Rocket been to this season? We're not counting any 7on7 or films on line.

This will be my 8th game this Friday. I'm a diehard! I don't go watch any football besides Brownwood. It's pointless. A waste of time...

Rocket

12-05-2010, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
LOL..nervousness? Well, probably. But I can assure you it isnt from worrying about the Lions. It's from worrying about Coldspring. I suggest you do the same...worry about your opponent this coming Friday, not the following.

Lol what good will that do? Does me worrying about anything add anything to our chances? Or an inch to my height? Or a year to my life? I don't worry, I just believe... ;)

garciap77

12-05-2010, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by bobcat1
What was the corner thinking?:thinking:

What was the punter thinking?:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wieSSPQJbME

But, coach I kicked it away from him!:D

P.S. Not fun intended Monahans, but that happened to all the teams in our district.

garciap77

12-05-2010, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by lakrfool
Oh dear. I immediately apologize for ruffling your delicate sensibilities.

I'll just leave it at "uneducated hater."

Better?

WOW is someone bitter this morning?:D

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/IndianCreekTxClosedSchool0308BG1.jpg

What is left of Indian Creek School
Photo courtesy Barclay Gibson

cowboyandchrist

12-05-2010, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Rocket
All in all, it should be a fun game. Thanks, txb, for the unbiased breakdown. And I will look forward to the show... Although, I have a strong feeling you will pick Carthage. Either way, you have at least seen both teams play and I respect your opinion on a certain level.

That is what's crazy about being this deep in the playoffs and Texas being so big. We have no common opponents. I do think we can look at 2009 Carthage-Graham and see some interesting angles and make some comparisons.
Last Friday night was my first time to see Carthage this year. I have never watched Brownwood play. Before watching Carthage, I would have picked Brownwood just because of the scores they put up, but now that I have seen Carthage play against an outstanding defense. I will go with Carthage by 1 to 3 points. I have watched high school ball for 30 + years and played for Carthage back in the early seventies. The QB for Carthage throws the best ball I have ever seen by a high school QB. He will never play Big time college ball because of his size and that is a shame. He is that good. I believe this Carthage team is better than last years team, because of the skilled postion players. They have an outstanding D that can really run. This should be the best game of the year, with both teams having an equal chance to win.

garciap77

12-05-2010, 11:46 AM

db1980

12-05-2010, 11:53 AM

Hello everybody, I am new here evidently.

Carthage is big, fast and strong. They are a very balanced offensive football team that can/will impose their will on great defenses. Don't look at the defense's points allowed either. They do give up points, but the majority of them come very late in the game. Their coach is a class act about not running up the score when the game is in hand. Not to mention he is getting good reps for the younger future stars. Some of This years team were the 4th qtr players for the 2008 and 2009 runs. some of this years team have been starters for 3 years now. They are a good, well coached football team that makes proper adjustments as the game goes along.

Evidently Brownwood is an outstanding football team as well. Coach Shipley is widely known and respected. I have a great respect for him on the field and off the field. I haven't seen them live but have seen tape/film on them. They will be very prepared and can run the ball or pass it at will. They seem to be a little undersized vs. Carthage.

Speed and athleticism will probably be a push in this game, that is where I think the size of Carthage will make the difference. Going back to the old cliche of "its won in the trenches", that is the truth in this game. Carthage DL will get to the QB and force errant throws, it he slips the DL he is going to get lit up by the LB crew led by 6'2"/230lb Kendall Thompson who will be teammates with Jaxon Shipley Next year.

Carthage wins 42-28

Bullaholic

12-05-2010, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by db1980
Hello everybody, I am new here evidently.

Carthage is big, fast and strong. They are a very balanced offensive football team that can/will impose their will on great defenses. Don't look at the defense's points allowed either. They do give up points, but the majority of them come very late in the game. Their coach is a class act about not running up the score when the game is in hand. Not to mention he is getting good reps for the younger future stars. Some of This years team were the 4th qtr players for the 2008 and 2009 runs. some of this years team have been starters for 3 years now. They are a good, well coached football team that makes proper adjustments as the game goes along.

Evidently Brownwood is an outstanding football team as well. Coach Shipley is widely known and respected. I have a great respect for him on the field and off the field. I haven't seen them live but have seen tape/film on them. They will be very prepared and can run the ball or pass it at will. They seem to be a little undersized vs. Carthage.

Speed and athleticism will probably be a push in this game, that is where I think the size of Carthage will make the difference. Going back to the old cliche of "its won in the trenches", that is the truth in this game. Carthage DL will get to the QB and force errant throws, it he slips the DL he is going to get lit up by the LB crew led by 6'2"/230lb Kendall Thompson who will be teammates with Jaxon Shipley Next year.

Carthage wins 42-28

:clap: :clap: :clap:

This is how giving your thoughts on a game are expressed with class and respect, even though you believe in your team strongly...

Posts like this, especially from new posters, deserve their own
thread at the very least, unless posters are willing to respond to a straight post in kind without the silly, unwaranted rabid attacks that should be returned only to those in that mode.

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by LoboesWT
Carthage will not be able to adjust to the many ways BW can attack. I believe B-dub could run that big back and turn the spread into 4 Yards and a cloud of dust if they do choose!

You're right, Carthage doesn't know how to adjust their defense. I don't how in the world they won 2 State titles with a 87 % winning percentage in the past 4 years. They've NEVER seen a team like Brownwood. Those 2008 Celina Bobcats and the 2009 Graham Steers just couldn't adjust their attack against Carthage or they'd have blown them out of the water!
In fact none of the 16 teams Carthage has knocked out of the playoffs since 2008 were any good at all like Brownwood.

Just don't be too upset when Brownwood turns to Brownstain.

SICK'EM DAWGS

Snyder_TigerFan

12-05-2010, 12:37 PM

Wow....after hearing the descriptions of Carthage, this one ought to be a good one. Good luck Brownwood, represent Region 1.

Bullaholic

12-05-2010, 12:43 PM

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Snyder_TigerFan
Wow....after hearing the descriptions of Carthage, this one ought to be a good one. Good luck Brownwood, represent Region 1.

Come see it. You'll get your money's worth! Getcha Popcorn Ready Dallas!!

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Bullaholic
Have you and Rocket met yet, Dawgdaze? :D

Briefly last night. I was tired and went to bed though and didn't get to talk much smack with him. We'll be getting 'to know' each other in the next week pretty well I'm sure.

bobcat1

12-05-2010, 12:49 PM

bobcat1

12-05-2010, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by BEAST
Talked to Vance last night, it's just a strain, he's playing.

BEAST AWESOME!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Bullaholic

12-05-2010, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Briefly last night. I was tired and went to bed though and didn't get to talk much smack with him. We'll be getting 'to know' each other in the next week pretty well I'm sure.

Like the game---it ought to be a classic...:D

BTW--I look for this game to be a lot like Trinity-Coppell last Friday night...

Keith7

12-05-2010, 12:51 PM

Hey guys! I'm here to let you guys know that Carthage is going to beat Brownwood this Friday! Likely by 21! have a nice day!

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Keith7
Hey guys! I'm here to let you guys know that Carthage is going to beat Brownwood this Friday! Likely by 21! have a nice day!

Support from the Houston area? You must have seen Carthage play or you are one who can see the writing on the wall when it comes to football? LOL.

Bullaholic

12-05-2010, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Keith7
Hey guys! I'm here to let you guys know that Carthage is going to beat Brownwood this Friday! Likely by 21! have a nice day!

You're trying to win the "Baghdad Bob" award instead of Rocket, aren't you Keith? Carthage may win, but it won't be by any 21, G'ville lad...

bobcat1

12-05-2010, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by db1980
Hello everybody, I am new here evidently.

Carthage is big, fast and strong. They are a very balanced offensive football team that can/will impose their will on great defenses. Don't look at the defense's points allowed either. They do give up points, but the majority of them come very late in the game. Their coach is a class act about not running up the score when the game is in hand. Not to mention he is getting good reps for the younger future stars. Some of This years team were the 4th qtr players for the 2008 and 2009 runs. some of this years team have been starters for 3 years now. They are a good, well coached football team that makes proper adjustments as the game goes along.

Evidently Brownwood is an outstanding football team as well. Coach Shipley is widely known and respected. I have a great respect for him on the field and off the field. I haven't seen them live but have seen tape/film on them. They will be very prepared and can run the ball or pass it at will. They seem to be a little undersized vs. Carthage.

Speed and athleticism will probably be a push in this game, that is where I think the size of Carthage will make the difference. Going back to the old cliche of "its won in the trenches", that is the truth in this game. Carthage DL will get to the QB and force errant throws, it he slips the DL he is going to get lit up by the LB crew led by 6'2"/230lb Kendall Thompson who will be teammates with Jaxon Shipley Next year.

Carthage wins 42-28 From the reports I have listened to Kendall Thompson is a beast at LB. Can't wait to watch this game.

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 12:58 PM

So am I understanding you guys right that Brownwood has some injuries? Anything major? I don't think Carthage had any Friday night even though they should have given the size of the Argyle Argonauts they played. Them suckers were tall and gangley. Good genetics even though they have been breathing those DFW airport jet fumes all these years. That could have been what made 'em so UGLY though.

lbjacj

12-05-2010, 12:59 PM

STATE SEMIFINALS

Littlefield (12-2) vs. Daingerfield (12-1)

5:00 Saturday at Brownwood

Lucky dogs! Get to see another great game in your backyard!

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by bobcat1
From the reports I have listened to Kendall Thompson is a beast at LB. Can't wait to watch this game.

I guess I'll have the to be the voice of dessent against my own team here since I can get away with it on this forum like I can't on the other one. But I am not that big of a Kendall Thompson fan. Don't get me wrong he is good but he's not Lawrence Taylor or anything. If the coach would let him play Linebacker like a 4-3 linebacker he'd be great, but I guess with our defense they want him to play pass coverage as well and it takes away from his ability if you ask me. But I do believe in Carthage staff and coaches and their decisions because I'm not a coach and 42-4 since 2008 says they know more than me.

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
I guess I'll have the to be the voice of dessent against my own team here since I can get away with it on this forum like I can't on the other one. But I am not that big of a Kendall Thompson fan. Don't get me wrong he is good but he's not Lawrence Taylor or anything. If the coach would let him play Linebacker like a 4-3 linebacker he'd be great, but I guess with our defense they want him to play pass coverage as well and it takes away from his ability if you ask me. But I do believe in Carthage staff and coaches and their decisions because I'm not a coach and 42-4 since 2008 says they know more than me.

I LOVE how they use him...they let his speed at LB be a plus in coverage( dont see alot of LBs in HS cover in the pass game like he does)..Yes at Texas he will become the speed rush DE like Kindle and Orakpo, but at the HS level IMO I want offenses never know if he is rushing or dropping back

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I LOVE how they use him...they let his speed at LB be a plus in coverage( dont see alot of LBs in HS cover in the pass game like he does)..Yes at Texas he will become the speed rush DE like Kindle and Orakpo, but at the HS level IMO I want offenses never know if he is rushing or dropping back

True

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
You're right, Carthage doesn't know how to adjust their defense. I don't how in the world they won 2 State titles with a 87 % winning percentage in the past 4 years. They've NEVER seen a team like Brownwood. Those 2008 Celina Bobcats and the 2009 Graham Steers just couldn't adjust their attack against Carthage or they'd have blown them out of the water!
In fact none of the 16 teams Carthage has knocked out of the playoffs since 2008 were any good at all like Brownwood.

Just don't be too upset when Brownwood turns to Brownstain.

SICK'EM DAWGS

Trust me...Carthage has never played an Offense like Brownwood has. You are fooling yourself if you say otherwise.

Pope isn't good enough to stop Shipley one on one...write it down. Pope knows it, too. it will be safety help all night and Brownwood will exploit your suspect defense. If anything, this will be a shootout, not a one sided victory. I can't believe you people can't respect Brownwood. You will be made to respect them soon enough when Brownwood breaks the record for most points scored in a season this week (all classifications). Picture Graham '09 Supercharged with way more weapons...that is Brownwood.

I find it funny that Carthage didn't get that #1 Preseason ranking if they are all that and a bag of chips. Brownwood has been #1 since Day 1 and will be when the game's done.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by cowboyandchrist
Last Friday night was my first time to see Carthage this year. I have never watched Brownwood play. Before watching Carthage, I would have picked Brownwood just because of the scores they put up, but now that I have seen Carthage play against an outstanding defense. I will go with Carthage by 1 to 3 points. I have watched high school ball for 30 + years and played for Carthage back in the early seventies. The QB for Carthage throws the best ball I have ever seen by a high school QB. He will never play Big time college ball because of his size and that is a shame. He is that good. I believe this Carthage team is better than last years team, because of the skilled postion players. They have an outstanding D that can really run. This should be the best game of the year, with both teams having an equal chance to win.

So you basically have no idea about how good Brownwood really is. Figures. The defense may be fast, but a 10 yard pass equals a first down. LOL

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Snyder_TigerFan
Wow....after hearing the descriptions of Carthage, this one ought to be a good one. Good luck Brownwood, represent Region 1.

After hearing all the REGION II HOMERS description of Carthage...LOL

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Trust me...Carthage has never played an Offense like Brownwood has. You are fooling yourself if you say otherwise.

Pope isn't good enough to stop Shipley one on one...write it down. Pope knows it, too. it will be safety help all night and Brownwood will exploit your suspect defense. If anything, this will be a shootout, not a one sided victory. I can't believe you people can't respect Brownwood. You will be made to respect them soon enough when Brownwood breaks the record for most points scored in a season this week (all classifications). Picture Graham '09 Supercharged...that is Brownwood.

I find it funny that Carthage didn't get that #1 Preseason ranking if they are all that and a bag of chips. Brownwood has been #1 since Day 1 and will be when the game's done.

Oh come on. The only reason Brownwood got that preseason ranking is because they returned 9 starters on offense and 9 starters on defense. After this year you'll go back to the basketball court this time of year and will be reading about the Carthage bulldogs in the Brownwood Bulletin (Subscription Only).

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by garciap77
What was the punter thinking?:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wieSSPQJbME

But, coach I kicked it away from him!:D

P.S. Not fun intended Monahans, but that happened to all the teams in our district.

Come get ya some, Carthage...

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Come get ya some, Carthage...

Bad DAWG! Stop gnawing on that FURNITURE!

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Oh come on. The only reason Brownwood got that preseason ranking is because they returned 9 starters on offense and 9 starters on defense. After this year you'll go back to the basketball court this time of year and will be reading about the Carthage bulldogs in the Brownwood Bulletin (Subscription Only).

The only reason Brownwood got that ranking was because it was deserved. LOL Are you sure you want to do this? Pat yourself on the back for beating Graham '09...

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
So you basically have no idea about how good Brownwood really is.

And you will have a real good idea how good Carthage is next week when you are rooting for them to win it all in Cowboys Stadium after pouting around all week about ' if we'd only done this and only done that' and then realizing you just got beat by the better team and coming to your senses.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
And you will have a real good idea how good Carthage is next week when you are rooting for them to win it all in Cowboys Stadium after pouting around all week about ' if we'd only done this and only done that' and then realizing you just got beat by the better team and coming to your senses.

The best team in the state is from Brownwood. Doesn't matter if you win or lose next week. ;)

NEWSFLASH...you aren't playing Argyle this week. You are playing a real team that is ready to unleash everything they have. And the more crap you post the more goes on the bulletin board and pisses them off...so keep on fueling the fire.

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
The best team in the state is from Brownwood. Doesn't matter if you win or lose next week. ;)

NEWSFLASH...you aren't playing Argyle this week. You are playing a real team that is ready to unleash everything they have. And the more crap you post the more goes on the bulletin board and pisses them off...so keep on fueling the fire.

Really? You mean your guys have to depend on a bulletin board to find motivation? You're guys really are in trouble then. I KNOW! Thank God we don't have to play Argyle again. We got past the hard team now we get the easy one. Hey can I say God on here or will that get me banned? Sorry, we love God over here in East Texas!

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by bobcat1
From the reports I have listened to Kendall Thompson is a beast at LB. Can't wait to watch this game.

We have a few beasts of our own that can't wait to light these boys up. Time for the men to do work.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Really? You mean your guys have to depend on a bulletin board to find motivation? You're guys really are in trouble then.

Go look at our stats...we didn't get our butts handed to us once this season. Seems like when Carthage played decent competition, they lost. LOL Unless Nacadoches sucks...which could be the case as well...

No, the motivation is there, and Carthage is in the way. It is the blatant lack of respect that totally pisses them off.

Keith7

12-05-2010, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
We have a few beasts of our own that can't wait to light these boys up. Time for the men to do work.

Your "beasts" have never met the likes of Kendall Thompson.. I'm willing to bet little shipley will be crying to dada before halftime.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Keith7
Your "beasts" have never met the likes of Kendall Thompson.. I'm willing to bet little shipley will be crying to dada before halftime.

Mr. Shipley doesn't get hit...he is too elusive. ;) But I have a STRONG feeling Carthage will know the name Longoria before the night is over...

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Go look at our stats...we didn't get our butts handed to us once this season. Seems like when Carthage played decent competition, they lost. LOL Unless Nacadoches sucks...which could be the case as well...

No, the motivation is there, and Carthage is in the way. It is the blatant lack of respect that totally pisses them off.

I don't respect stats from area of the country. Come over here and play some real football teams then your stats will mean something. Sweetwaters and Monahans don't mean anything to me.

LH Panther Mom

12-05-2010, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
The best team in the state is from Brownwood. Doesn't matter if you win or lose next week. ;)

NEWSFLASH...you aren't playing Argyle this week. You are playing a real team that is ready to unleash everything they have. And the more crap you post the more goes on the bulletin board and pisses them off...so keep on fueling the fire.
Good grief! Are you seriously printing all this off and hanging it on the bulletin board? If any players should be pissed off by the crap posted on here, it's YOUR OPPONENTS!

You want people to respect YOUR team. Try showing some respect for theirs for a change!

Keith7

12-05-2010, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Mr. Shipley doesn't get hit...he is too elusive. ;) But I have a STRONG feeling Carthage will know the name Longoria before the night is over...

Cool! Eva Longoria plays for your defense? explains why they are so soft.

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Mr. Shipley doesn't get hit...he is too elusive. ;) But I have a STRONG feeling Carthage will know the name Longoria before the night is over...

Oh good Lord. Here with go with another untouchable Quarterback. That's all Argyle said all week is how their Quarterback hadn't been sacked ALL season. Until Carthage came knocking. The best quarterback will be on the field with you guys but he won't be wearing a lion WOOD jersey. Gordon would be embarrassed to see what Carthage is going to do to your little team.

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
? Pat yourself on the back for beating Graham '09...

I would hope they would it won them a state title beating Graham

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Mr. Shipley doesn't get hit...he is too elusive. ;) But I have a STRONG feeling Carthage will know the name Longoria before the night is over...

Our athletes are well versed in baseball too in case you hadn't heard. Evan Longoria: Third Baseman for the Tampa Bay Rays.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Oh good Lord. Here with go with another untouchable Quarterback. That's all Argyle said all week is how their Quarterback hadn't been sacked ALL season. Until Carthage came knocking. The best quarterback will be on the field with you guys but he won't be wearing a lion WOOD jersey. Gordon would be embarrassed to see what Carthage is going to do to your little team.

Shipley isn't a QB...LOL Do you know who the Shipley's are? And they say I am stuck in a hole...he is an All American.

Our QB's numbers are way better...nice try though.

YOU ARE NOT PLAYING ARGYLE! LOL AND YOU AREN"T PLAYING NACADOCHES..thank goodness, huh? lol

:rolleyes:

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Shipley isn't a QB...LOL Do you know who the Shipley's are? And they say I am stuck in a hole...he is an All American.

Our QB's numbers are way better...nice try though.

YOU ARE NOT PLAYING ARGYLE! LOL AND YOU AREN"T PLAYING NACADOCHES..thank goodness, huh? lol

:rolleyes:

OH...the Shipley's? They are the one's who own that famous Donut company right? MY BAD.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I would hope they would it won them a state title beating Graham

True. I hope they think we are Graham '09...nevermind. Carry on!

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
OH...the Shipley's? They are the one's who own that famous Donut company right? MY BAD.

Pope knows who he is...LOL And won't forget his backside either...

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Pope knows who he is...LOL And won't forget his backside either...

Boy sure talk a lot about this Pope kid. You scared of him? He's the least of your concerns. He's been playing with an attitude problem of late so he's more likely to help the Bwood lions than hurt them. Let's talk about the TEAM. As for your Shipley WR, I know and respect the awesome Jordan Shipley who played for University of Texas last year and that awesome Colt McCoy who played for them as well. Jax-son(Is he the son of Jessie?) is not his brother and neither was that other little brother kid of Colt. Looks like that's where Major Applewhite and Mack Brown seem to be making their mistakes and hurting his football team is allowing to many little brothers and famous NFL players sons play instead of evaluating true football talent.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:42 PM

In all honesty, Carthage deserves respect. No doubt. They are very good. And defending back-to-back champs. Good job!

Both will have a hard time stopping the other. This will be a game of execution. Should be a blast. And may the best team win...

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Boy sure talk a lot about this Pope kid. You scared of him? He's the least of your concerns. He's been playing with an attitude problem of late so he's more likely to help the Bwood lions than hurt them. Let's talk about the TEAM. As for your Shipley WR, I know and respect the awesome Jordan Shipley who played for University of Texas last year and that awesome Colt McCoy who played for them as well. Jaxson(Is he the son of Jessie?) is not his brother and neither was that other little brother kid of Colt. Looks like that's where Major Applewhite and Mack Brown seem to be making their mistakes and hurting his football team is allowing to many little brothers and famous NFL players sons play instead of evaluating true football talent.

Thank you, sir! Thank you, thank you, thank you...

So you actually know Jordan Shipley? LOL You are a funny guy. I will be laughing at you hysterically a week from now...

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Boy sure talk a lot about this Pope kid. You scared of him? He's the least of your concerns. He's been playing with an attitude problem of late so he's more likely to help the Bwood lions than hurt them. Let's talk about the TEAM. As for your Shipley WR, I know and respect the awesome Jordan Shipley who played for University of Texas last year and that awesome Colt McCoy who played for them as well. Jax-son(Is he the son of Jessie?) is not his brother and neither was that other little brother kid of Colt. Looks like that's where Major Applewhite and Mack Brown seem to be making their mistakes and hurting his football team is allowing to many little brothers and famous NFL players sons play instead of evaluating true football talent.

dude..Jaxon is better than Jordan was at this point in their careers...and I would say LEAPS AND BOUNDS better..only difference..Burnet needed Ship to be a huge huge part of the offense...Bwood needs Shipley, but not as much but dont think Jaxon is not a force

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
In all honesty, Carthage deserves respect. No doubt. They are very good. And defending back-to-back champs. Good job!

Both will have a hard time stopping the other. This will be a game of execution. Should be a blast. And may the best team win...

So you think we'll have enough room in this Kincaide Stadium?

95mustang

12-05-2010, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
So you think we'll have enough room in this Kincaide Stadium?

There will be alot standing up for this one.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
So you think we'll have enough room in this Kincaide Stadium?

Not even close... get there early.

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
dude..Jaxon is better than Jordan was at this point in their careers...and I would say LEAPS AND BOUNDS better..only difference..Burnet needed Ship to be a huge huge part of the offense...Bwood needs Shipley, but not as much but dont think Jaxon is not a force

A wide reciever is only as good as a quarterback allows him to be. How can his quarterback be good under a DAWGPILE?

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
A wide reciever is only as good as a quarterback allows him to be. How can his quarterback be good under a DAWGPILE?

3 Step Drops and roll outs... ;)

QB STATS
Passing: Graylon Brown 207 of 310 for 3,469 yards, 44 TDs, 5 INTs
Rushing: Graylon Brown 88-608, 10 TDs

And this is coming out early in the 3rd Quarter most of the season.

This is though Borger..he added 3 More TD's and one more INT vs. Monahans...

MoveInDad

12-05-2010, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
So you think we'll have enough room in this Kincaide Stadium?
No, with both teams having a big following, the stadium's proximity to the Metroplex, and a LOT of interest from neutrals, I can't see there being enough room. No offense to Coldspring and Wimberly, but this game has the feel of a title game.

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
3 Step Drops and roll outs... ;)

QB STATS
Graylon Brown 207 of 310 for 3,469 yards, 44 TDs, 5 INTs
Graylon Brown 88-608, 10 TDs

This is though Borger..he added 3 More TD's and one more INT vs. Monahans...

Nice stats. Question for ya. Just read that Brownwood had a population of 18,813 in the 2000 census. Do yall have more than one school or something? Or is that the population of Brown County?

Keith7

12-05-2010, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
3 Step Drops and roll outs... ;)

QB STATS
Passing: Graylon Brown 207 of 310 for 3,469 yards, 44 TDs, 5 INTs
Rushing: Graylon Brown 88-608, 10 TDs

And this is coming out early in the 3rd Quarter most of the season.

This is though Borger..he added 3 More TD's and one more INT vs. Monahans...

OVER-RATED

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Nice stats. Question for ya. Just read that Brownwood had a population of 18,813 in the 2000 census. Do yall have more than one school or something?

Nope...a lot of retirees and older population.

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 02:59 PM

Kincade holds 15,000..I know there is a buzz about this game and all, but 15,000 will hold for this game

I meant to say it HURTS this game that CH vs Henderson is playing on same day( forgot it was not on Sat)

I say about 13,500 will be there

Rocket

12-05-2010, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Keith7
OVER-RATED

:kiss:

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 03:00 PM

I think I'll get there at 6 just to be on the safe side if not sooner.

95mustang

12-05-2010, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Nice stats. Question for ya. Just read that Brownwood had a population of 18,813 in the 2000 census. Do yall have more than one school or something? Or is that the population of Brown County?

Brownwood is a retirement type community, but yes there is a private school here that takes some students away. There is also a private school in Early that takes some students as well.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
I think I'll get there at 6 just to be on the safe side if not sooner.

The safe side will be the Brownwood side. After Carthage falls into the 21 Point Black Hole, there could be a riot.

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by 95mustang
Brownwood is a retirement type community, but yes there is a private school here that takes some students away. There is also a private school in Early that takes some students as well.

I see. Wow a town 3 times as big as Carthage and in 3A. Strange.

MoveInDad

12-05-2010, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Kincade holds 15,000..I know there is a buzz about this game and all, but 15,000 will hold for this game

ONLY thing that might help it get bigger is CH and Henderson playing state game next day so some might drive up night before, BUT with it being on a friday I just dont think the stadium will be standing room only

I say about 13,500 will be there
Good to hear, I know there's more than a few going down from Celina...

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
I see. Wow a town 3 times as big as Carthage and in 3A. Strange.

You can use it for an excuse. I am sure you will think of many more.

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by MoveInDad
Good to hear, I know there's more than a few going down from Celina...

and like I edited in original..CH vs Henderson is playing in state title game same night so that pulls alot from East Texas who might have gone

Also add that metroplex is not a real big 3A base..so not alot of 3rd party fans in area are going to go..if it was on Sat so those from West, Ease and Central who are rabid 3A fans I would say it might be a sell out.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
and like I edited in original..CH vs Henderson is playing in state title game same night so that pulls alot from East Texas who might have gone

Also add that metroplex is not a real big 3A base..so not alot of 3rd party fans in area are going to go..if it was on Sat so those from West, Ease and Central who are rabid 3A fans I would say it might be a sell out.

There is a ton of Brownwood Alums in the metroplex...and they all love their Brownwood Lion football.

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
You can use it for an excuse. I am sure you will think of many more.

Oh I saw your enrollment data. Not many more in your high school than ours. :) You guys are probably recruiting though. LOL. JK.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Oh I saw your enrollment data. Not many more in your high school than ours. :) You guys are probably recruiting though. LOL. JK.

We don't have to recruit. We raise them up...

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
There is a ton of Brownwood Alums in the metroplex...and they all love their Brownwood Lion football.

yes there are..but again not enough to sell out Kincade

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 03:10 PM

So I saw you have what one African American kid who sometimes plays quarterback or is that just on special plays?

MoveInDad

12-05-2010, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
and like I edited in original..CH vs Henderson is playing in state title game same night so that pulls alot from East Texas who might have gone

Also add that metroplex is not a real big 3A base..so not alot of 3rd party fans in area are going to go..if it was on Sat so those from West, Ease and Central who are rabid 3A fans I would say it might be a sell out. Yeah, damn shame for folks in that district that the teams are playing the same night...

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
So I saw you have what one African American kid who sometimes plays quarterback or is that just on special plays?

he is there QB and a stud

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
he is there QB and a stud

Oh I see. Well I tell ya what. I will post a roster of Carthage if I can get a roster of Bwood. I got one from the other night right here ready to type them all in. Don't worry I can type fast.

Keith7

12-05-2010, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
There is a ton of Brownwood Alums in the metroplex...and they all love their Brownwood Lion football.

Assuming your average graduating class for the last 40 years was 200 people, that would mean there are 8,000 alumni from Brownwood dating back four decades. Even if they all moved to Dallas after high school and all loved woodie football (which I doubt either are true), I still wouldn't call that "a ton of Brownwood Alums in the metroplex."

Keith7

12-05-2010, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Oh I see. Well I tell ya what. I will post a roster of Carthage if I can get a roster of Bwood. I got one from the other night right here ready to type them all in. Don't worry I can type fast.

You can just go here for all your Carthage info:

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/oVec5YAgPU-2YFUyvzSpUA/carthage-bulldogs/football/home.htm

DDBooger

12-05-2010, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Keith7
You can just go here for all your Carthage info:

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/oVec5YAgPU-2YFUyvzSpUA/carthage-bulldogs/football/home.htm lol

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
yes there are..but again not enough to sell out Kincade

That is good to know. Can't wait.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Keith7
Assuming your average graduating class for the last 40 years was 200 people, that would mean there are 8,000 alumni from Brownwood dating back four decades. Even if they all moved to Dallas after high school and all loved woodie football (which I doubt either are true), I still wouldn't call that "a ton of Brownwood Alums in the metroplex."

A ton would actually equal about 13 people.

13.3 People x 150lbs avg. = 2000 lbs.

I should have said thousands of tons of people...jackwagon.:rolleyes:

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Keith7
Assuming your average graduating class for the last 40 years was 200 people, that would mean there are 8,000 alumni from Brownwood dating back four decades. Even if they all moved to Dallas after high school and all loved woodie football (which I doubt either are true), I still wouldn't call that "a ton of Brownwood Alums in the metroplex."

Well if there are 8,000 of them and assume that their average weight is 150 pounds then that would be 1,200,000 pounds of alums from Brownwood. That's quite a few tons of them! ROFL

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
lol

Right and I can just go to youtube to do all the scouting of Brownwood I need since you folks post it for all the world to see.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Oh I see. Well I tell ya what. I will post a roster of Carthage if I can get a roster of Bwood. I got one from the other night right here ready to type them all in. Don't worry I can type fast.

Rosters don't matter....all you need to know is your Bullpups are playing the best team in 3A on Friday. have fun...

Keith7

12-05-2010, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
A ton would actually equal about 13 people.

13.3 People x 150lbs avg. = 2000 lbs.

I should have said thousands of tons of people...jackwagon.:rolleyes:

I heard Brownwood people average well above 150 pounds :eek: :eek:

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Right and I can just go to youtube to do all the scouting of Brownwood I need since you folks post it for all the world to see.

You know it's coming and they still won't stop it...

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Keith7
I heard Brownwood people average well above 150 pounds :eek: :eek:

nm LOL

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 03:28 PM

Countdown to cowboys...see yall after while.

Keith7

12-05-2010, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
nm LOL

no please share! LOL

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Keith7
no please share! LOL

It will get me kicked off...something to the tune of your wife averaging over 300lbs and she isn't human... but it was just a joke!!!

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Countdown to cowboys...see yall after while.

We will have a Cowboy thread on here soon..join

Daddy D 11

12-05-2010, 03:39 PM

Carthage has better athletes than any team Brownwood has faced all year. I really think they'll be able to sustain multiple long drives simply due to the fact that they are balanced enough. They'll be able to push around the defensive line of Brownwood enough on run plays to suck up the linebackers and safeties a little... then it's play action passes over the top, then repeat. The balanced offense is gonna give Brownwoods defense some serious trouble. I don't think Brownwood will have too much trouble scoring, I know they'll probably be stopped 2-3 more times than normal, but they're still gonna get theirs. I just think that not only will they be stopped 2 more times than they normally are, I think they'll have about 2 less possessions as well. If that happens hat's definitely enough to doom them. Carthages defense is good enough for 2 stops and their offense is good enough to prevent 2 more possessions... that equals a Carthage win.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Good grief! Are you seriously printing all this off and hanging it on the bulletin board? If any players should be pissed off by the crap posted on here, it's YOUR OPPONENTS!

You want people to respect YOUR team. Try showing some respect for theirs for a change!

DON'T START NONE, WON'T BE NONE. All should bow down and respect Brownwood.

Calm down... Lol I'm not printing anything. I'm posting it on my messageboard. You are cracking me up. Wow.:eek: :eek: :p

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:52 PM

I love how our defense is getting no respect. At all... We will get 4-6 stops. More than enough...

Tin Cup

12-05-2010, 03:54 PM

Brownwood will have at least 10,000 fans at the game. Sadly I can't make this one and I'm sick about it!!!

How does Carthage travel? I think this game with have at least twice as many as the 3A game happening in Jerry World.

P.S. We will beat Carthage :D

Daddy D 11

12-05-2010, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
We will get 4-6 stops.

Why do you think that?

Keith7

12-05-2010, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
Why do you think that?

it's called blind faith

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:56 PM

Here is a huge question...

How many starters play both ways for Carthage?

Rocket

12-05-2010, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
Why do you think that?

Because we have a scrappy defensive line and great linebacking core as well. Our secondary isn't too shabby either. ;)

I know our defense. They will get at least 2 stops per half. Your smoking crap if you think otherwise.

Our secondary has 30 INT's...

Daddy D 11

12-05-2010, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
I love how our defense is getting no respect. At all... We will get 4-6 stops. More than enough...

I didn't disrespect your defense. I just said you're facing a better than normal offense that will give you more fits than normal. If anyone posts anything that says Brownwood might have more difficulty in their game... it's instantly a sign of us showing no respect. I don't understand?

I just said they might limit your offensive possessions because they should be able to stay on the field easier than the other teams you have faced and their defense is better as well than the others you've gone up against. I didn't say either is going to dominate yall, I just said they very well might do just enough to win the game. Taking 4 Brownwood scores off the board will definitely screw the Lions.

Daddy D 11

12-05-2010, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Because we have a scrappy defensive line and great linebacking core as well. Our secondary isn't too shabby either. ;)

I know our defense. They will get at least 2 stops per half. Your smoking crap if you think otherwise.

Never said the Brownwood defense wouldn't stop the Carthage offense.

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Here is a huge question...

How many starters play both ways for Carthage?

none really..Pope will play some offense every once in awhile but not because of a need

Rocket

12-05-2010, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
I didn't disrespect your defense. I just said you're facing a better than normal offense that will give you more fits than normal. If anyone posts anything that says Brownwood might have more difficulty in their game... it's instantly a sign of us showing no respect. I don't understand?

I just said they might limit your offensive possessions because they should be able to stay on the field easier than the other teams you have faced and their defense is better as well than the others you've gone up against. I didn't say either is going to dominate yall, I just said they very well might do just enough to win the game. Taking 4 Brownwood scores off the board will definitely screw the Lions.

Your post was actually good. I'm talking about all the other posters. Black Attack says our defense is average. And others have agreed. Simply not true..

Football_4

12-05-2010, 04:03 PM

Carthage misses a field goal wide right and Brownwood wins 13-12.

garciap77

12-05-2010, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Support from the Houston area? You must have seen Carthage play or you are one who can see the writing on the wall when it comes to football? LOL.

Yeah! He's the one who can see the writing on the wall, he's really good at it!:D:D:D

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/large_EagleTrophy-1.jpg

;)

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Your post was actually good. I'm talking about all the other posters. Black Attack says our defense is average. And others have agreed. Simply not true..

What is the average points allowed by the Lions D?

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
What is the average points allowed by the Lions D?

15.4

Tin Cup

12-05-2010, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
15.4

But we refuse to play a good team with a good offense. :rolleyes:

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
15.4

If the Lions were to win it all, and their Average Points Against is 15.4 for the season, then based solely on this stat, they would be considered less than an average defense. The Average Points Against of ALL 3A State Champions is 9.33 (thanks WOS97). So, this means that the Lions allow (on average) 50% more points than did the average state champions of the past.

Of course I know about being so far ahead in games that you put in subs and stuff like that, but I think the entire history of state champs would make that come out in the wash as well. So, is it the Lions opponents were really, REALLY good on offenses (not sure the stats back that up), or is it that the Lions defense is the teams weakness? I think its pretty clear that if their is an Achille's Heel for the Lions...its obviously their defense.

But this doesnt matter if their offense scores at will.

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
If the Lions were to win it all, and their Average Points Against is 15.4 for the season, then based solely on this stat, they would be considered less than an average defense. The Average Points Against of ALL 3A State Champions is 9.33 (thanks WOS97). So, this means that the Lions allow (on average) 50% more points than did the average state champions of the past.

Of course I know about being so far ahead in games that you put in subs and stuff like that, but I think the entire history of state champs would make that come out in the wash as well. So, is it the Lions opponents were really, REALLY good on offenses (not sure the stats back that up), or is it that the Lions defense is the teams weakness? I think its pretty clear that if their is an Achille's Heel for the Lions...its obviously their defense.

But this doesnt matter if their offense scores at will.

in today's HS football 15.4 is good

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 04:37 PM

In fact, the Lions would rank 66th out of 72 champions in 3A history in Points Against.

DDBooger

12-05-2010, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
in today's HS football 15.4 is good Not only that, how many of those are garbage points and as fast as BW scores, that average may be inflated as well. How many games has BW played where they had to go all 48 minutes?

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
in today's HS football 15.4 is good

Yes it is...but over the last 5 years, comparing the champs, it would be in the middle of the pack...average.

Tin Cup

12-05-2010, 04:40 PM

Lol if we allowed every team we played double their points we'd be 13-1. Bridgeport would have beat us by 1 lol. I don't care if we give up 90 points if we score 91 lol

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
Not only that, how many of those are garbage points and as fast as BW scores, that average may be inflated as well. How many games has BW played where they had to go all 48 minutes?

But wouldnt you think that was the case with many of the past champions as well? I mean...72 of them. I think it would average out.

DDBooger

12-05-2010, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
But wouldnt you think that was the case with many of the past champions as well? I mean...72 of them. I think it would average out. Not really. Especially those who come from a very strong region and district, like Carthage.

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
Not really. Especially those who come from a very strong region and district, like Carthage.

I am sure that is the case in many of the years...but not in others. Again, I am not saying the Lions defense is bad. I havent seen them, so I can only work off of the stats. And based on stats, they are average at best. That isnt a slam. That isnt trash talk. It's just the stats.

But it is more than apparent that they are good enough to be 14-0.

Tin Cup

12-05-2010, 04:46 PM

I'd be curious to know what all teams have averaged per game this year and how many they scored against Brownwood if anyone wants to work that hard.

DDBooger

12-05-2010, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
I am sure that is the case in many of the years...but not in others. Again, I am not saying the Lions defense is bad. I havent seen them, so I can only work off of the stats. And based on stats, they are average at best. That isnt a slam. That isnt trash talk. It's just the stats.

But it is more than apparent that they are good enough to be 14-0. Correct, but stats incorrectly weighted to scenario can be deceiving (i.e. best rush defense, worst pass defense etc). Carthage gives up 26pts a game, does this mean they're terrible in relation to BW's 15?

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Yes it is...but over the last 5 years, comparing the champs, it would be in the middle of the pack...average.

Well it is beter than 08 Carthage 09 Gilmer 06 LE

So a little bit better than average..and Bwood does not need a dominating D..they like 09 Gilmer needs a D to make a couple of stops and a turnover in a game

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Tin Cup
I'd be curious to know what all teams have averaged per game this year and how many they scored against Brownwood if anyone wants to work that hard.

That would be a great stat to see, Tin Cup. Maybe WOS87 can help out. But I got a feeling it will all come to show the Lions to be an average defense (stat-wise) compared to the last 5 years or so, and well below average compared to the entire history back to 1951.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Yes it is...but over the last 5 years, comparing the champs, it would be in the middle of the pack...average.

We average 56 and give up 15 after 14 freaking games. Not 3. Not 4. 14. Our average drive time cannot be over 3 minutes. That means our defense is playing a lot of football every week and offenses will sooner or later find a nugget or 2. It's not always about the points given up. It's about takeaways/giveaways and points converted from takeaways. Think McFly...

We have 44 takeaways. Compare that...

DDBooger

12-05-2010, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
That would be a great stat to see, Tin Cup. Maybe WOS87 can help out. But I got a feeling it will all come to show the Lions to be an average defense (stat-wise) compared to the last 5 years or so, and well below average compared to the entire history back to 1951. Strictly going by that, Carthage would have no chance then.

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
Correct, but stats incorrectly weighted to scenario can be deceiving (i.e. best rush defense, worst pass defense etc). Carthage gives up 26pts a game, does this mean they're terrible in relation to BW's 15?

In my view, that spells trouble for Carthage...bigtime. Especially when you consider BW's explosive and seemingly unstoppable offense. Stats work both ways!!! On paper only, you would have to go with the Lions.

DDBooger

12-05-2010, 04:52 PM

DDBooger

12-05-2010, 04:53 PM

I wish I could go to this game :(
Sounds like it will be intense.

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
We average 56 and give up 15 after 14 freaking games. Not 3. Not 4. 14. Our average drive time cannot be over 3 minutes. That means our defense is playing a lot of football every week and offenses will sooner or later find a nugget or 2. It's not always about the points given up. It's about takeaways/giveaways and points converted from takeaways. Think McFly...

Dont go and get all snippy, Little Man. I am just trying to look at it from a historical and statistical point-of-view. When the season is over and IF you win it all, history will remember the Lion's Offense, not their defense, which is sufficient...but average.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Dont go and get all snippy, Little Man. I am just trying to look at it from a historical and statistical point-of-view. When the season is over and IF you win it all, history will remember the Lion's Offense, not their defense, which is sufficient...but average.

44 takeaways. Giving a ferocious offense the ball...

DDBooger

12-05-2010, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
44 takeaways. Giving a ferocious offense the ball... Takeaways are pretty extraordinary.

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
44 takeaways. Giving a ferocious offense the ball...

THAT is an impressive stat, as I have said before. How many of those were interceptions?

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 04:57 PM

And how many turnovers have you given up?

garciap77

12-05-2010, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Keith7
no please share! LOL

OK!!!:D:D:D:D

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd185/garciap77/large_EagleTrophy-1.jpg

LOL

Rocket

12-05-2010, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
THAT is an impressive stat, as I have said before. How many of those were interceptions?

30!

Tin Cup

12-05-2010, 04:57 PM

A difference between Brownwood 2010 and teams of the past is how quickly bwd scores. If we ran the ball every down, teams may get 5 or 6 possesions a game. I bet teams we play get it 10-12 times a game and on average, they score twice. So let's pretend that's 1 out of 5. We score 9/10 possessions probably. I like our chances

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
30!

Wow. And should I assume Shipley has the bulk of those?

Rocket

12-05-2010, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
And how many turnovers have you given up?

14 Turnovers (including 4 kickoffs fumbled for turnovers which doesn't count for the offense)

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
14 Turnovers (including 4 kickoffs fumbled for turnovers which doesn't count for the offense)

So your offense has turned the ball over 10 times in 14 games???? Wow. That is more proof of the power of the Lions offense.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Wow. And should I assume Shipley has the bulk of those?

INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE
Caden Ellis (108 tackles, 9 sacks, fumble recovery, interception)
Jorge De La Paz (99 tackles, 3 sacks)
Rey Arriaga (88 tackles, 4 sacks, fumble recovery)
Levi Westerman (87 tackles, 5 sacks, 2 fumble recoveries)
Derek Longoria (86 tackles, 5 interceptions, fumble recovery)
Payton Christopher (86 tackles, fumble recovery)
Alex Elizondo (70 tackles, 2 sacks, fumble recovery)
Kevin Vaccaro (69 tackles, 3 interceptions)
Tyler Harth (66 tackles, sack, interception, fumble recovery)
Abel Jimenez (66 tackles)
Vance McShan (64 tackles, 7 interceptions, fumble recovery)
Luke Chastain (60 tackles, 5 interceptions, 2 fumble recoveries)
Garrett Kemp (57 tackles, 2 sacks)
Ethan Horton (55 tackles, 4 sacks, fumble recovery)
Cameron Deal (25 tackles)
A.J. Salazar (17 tackles)
Jonathan McDonald (17 tackles, 2 sacks)
Thumper Harrell (15 tackles)
Jacob Bryant (14 tackles)
Aaron Gomez (14 tackles)
Cade Johnson (13 tackles)
Chris Cotton (11 tackles)
Jaxon Shipley (8 tackles, 7 interceptions)
Dillon Ellis (7 tackles, interception)
Gabriel Rivas (7 tackles)
Marshall King (1 tackle)
Stehl Ratliff (1 tackle)

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
So your offense has turned the ball over 10 times in 14 games???? Wow. That is more proof of the power of the Lions offense.

We went on 27 consecutive scoring drives for TD or field goal. One was a field goal. We went 7 games with no turnovers!

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 05:04 PM

Your interceptions are spread out pretty good. I imagine Shipley would have many more if he wasnt feared so much. I wouldnt want to throw in his direction.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:04 PM

We are average on defense. :rolleyes:

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
We went on 27 consecutive scoring drives for TD or field goal. One was a field goal. We went 7 games with no turnovers!

Holy Crap. We have had a problem in the past with turnovers...5 in one game!!! 4 in many, and 3 was common. We havent turned over the ball in the last 2 games (I think)...so we seem to have plugged that gaping hole.

44INAROW

12-05-2010, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by SintonFan
I'm rooting for Carthage in the upset!!!:clap:
me too.....

Tin Cup

12-05-2010, 05:06 PM

Shipley doesn't play much D unless the other offense throws a lot or we have an injury or we are up big and a team starts throwing. If he'd played D full time, no team in the state would throw at him.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Your interceptions are spread out pretty good. I imagine Shipley would have many more if he wasnt feared so much. I wouldnt want to throw in his direction.

We put you in a hole and make you pass. Then we send the house and bring pressure and pick your sorry passing game off. It's beautiful.

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
We are average on defense. :rolleyes:

Statistically...yes. I mean...given all what you have just shown..the other teams still put up points at a rate higher than most other state champs (and about average over the last 5 years). So, again...is it the other teams are kick ass offenses, or yours is somewhat...well...average?

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
We put you in a hole and make you pass. Then we send the house and bring pressure and pick your sorry passing game off. It's beautiful.

Nothing like a powerful offense to take the game plan right out of the hands of the opponent. And the wind out of their sails.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Statistically...yes. I mean...given all what you have just shown..the other teams still put up points at a rate higher than most other state champs (and about average over the last 5 years). So, again...is it the other teams are kick ass offenses, or yours is somewhat...well...average?

There is so much more to defense than points given up. Lol You can go onthat stat all day long but I'm telling you, Brownwood's defense is no joke. They will cause problems for any team. Including Carthage... And this week, the playbook will finally be opened. :D

Tin Cup

12-05-2010, 05:10 PM

I'd be interested to see how many possesions our opponents have each game. We score at will and they get the ball back. They get it more times against us than any other teams. Why can they only score 2 times against our horrible defense. I don't understand

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Tin Cup
I'd be interested to see how many possesions our opponents have each game. We score at will and they get the ball back. They get it more times against us than any other teams. Why can they only score 2 times against our horrible defense. I don't understand

That was my point earlier... We score in 3 mins or less. And kickoff... Defense plays a lot of ball.

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
There is so much more to defense than points given up. Lol You can go onthat stat all day long but I'm telling you, Brownwood's defense is no joke. They will cause problems for any team. Including Carthage... And this week, the playbill will finally be opened. :D

I never said they were a joke. I never said they were bad. I AM saying that if their is a chink in the armor of the Lions Juggernaut, its got to be their defense, based on stats. Thats all. On paper, Carthage really doesnt stand a chance, from what I have seen. But we all know its not about stats when they hit the field.

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 05:12 PM

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
We put you in a hole and make you pass. Then we send the house and bring pressure and pick your sorry passing game off. It's beautiful.

Put Carthage in the hole and make them pass = Carthage lighting up scoreboard twice as fast!

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Who has said its a horrible defense???

I showed you all the stats. There is no way our defense is AVERAGE. lol

How many teams in any classification can boast 44 TO's? And is the ability to cause TO's not a factor in deciding how good a defense is?

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Tin Cup
Why can they only score 2 times against our horrible defense. I don't understand

wow..this is why people have a hard time talking with Bwood folks..u try to turn everything into we all hate Bwood or we all think they are terrible and overrated..all he was doing was giving stats

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Put Carthage in the whole and make them pass = Carthage lighting up scoreboard twice as fast!

I hope your QB is as good as you say he is because the Goon Squad is coming...

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Tin Cup
I'd be interested to see how many possesions our opponents have each game. We score at will and they get the ball back. They get it more times against us than any other teams. Why can they only score 2 times against our horrible defense. I don't understand

Because they are skinny little white ranch hands from west texas. Play some real smashmouth against some East Texas Jugbutts and they will.

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
I showed you all the stats. There is no way our defense is AVERAGE. lol

How many teams in any classification can boast 44 TO's? And is the ability to cause TO's not a factor in deciding how good a defense is?

Thats a very impressive stat Rocket. But still, they score on the Lions. Maybe the turnovers are due what you said earlier...you put them in a deep hole so quickly, they must throw the ball like crazy...making the interceptions go up. But even with that, its a very impressive stat.

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Because they are skinny little white ranch hands from west texas. Play some real smashmouth against some East Texas Jugbutts and they will.

Ummmmm.....wth?

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
I hope your QB is as good as you say he is because the Goon Squad is coming...

He'll make your Goon squad look like goonies.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
wow..this is why people have a hard time talking with Bwood folks..u try to turn everything into we all hate Bwood or we all think they are terrible and overrated..all he was doing was giving stats

All we have heard since we dropped is that we are overrated and haven't done anything in 30 years. Sorry if we are defensive and people have a hard time with that. Lol

The Maroon Bloods that love this team don't like when we watch our defense totally jack teams up and then they don't get any respect. Yeah, we bite.

DDBooger

12-05-2010, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Because they are skinny little white ranch hands from west texas. Play some real smashmouth against some East Texas Jugbutts and they will. lol

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
He'll make your Goon squad look like goonies.

Keith7!

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 05:23 PM

What is a jugbutt?

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Tin Cup
Brownwood will have at least 10,000 fans at the game. Sadly I can't make this one and I'm sick about it!!!

How does Carthage travel? I think this game with have at least twice as many as the 3A game happening in Jerry World.

P.S. We will beat Carthage :D
Carthage travels well. Won't be as many as yall though. A lot of our town works in the oilfield and won't be able to make it.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
What is a jugbutt?

Probably one of those fat slow defensive lineman that help give up 26 points a game..

wimbo_pro

12-05-2010, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Probably one of those fat slow defensive lineman that help give up 26 points a game..

HAHAHA

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
What is a jugbutt?

Ask Argyle.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Ask Argyle.

Argyle was all hype... You don't play them this week.

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Argyle was all hype... You don't play them this week.

Like I said. THANK GOODNESS. We've already played the best!

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Argyle was all hype... You don't play them this week.

no they were not Rocket

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
no they were not Rocket

Barely beat LL. Almost lost to Sanger. Got killed by Carthage. Am I missing something? The decent teams they played held their own or beat them?

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Like I said. THANK GOODNESS. We've already played the best!

You and Keith7 are 2 peas in a pod.

BEAST

12-05-2010, 05:33 PM

All this talk reminds me of what the LaMarque peeps said when getting ready to play Stephenville back in the mid 90's. LaMarque was the faster, ball pounding team. Stephenville was the slow west Texas team. Coach Merket was the OC at the Ville then. How did those games go? Stephenville beat them every single time. How? The system. You easterners will see it soon.

BEAST

91 lion

12-05-2010, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Dawgdaze
Because they are skinny little white ranch hands from west texas. Play some real smashmouth against some East Texas Jugbutts and they will.

Dude...I've been reading all of your posts. You seem to be pretty level headed, but you are a little too loose with your racial descriptions. Watch what you say.

garciap77

12-05-2010, 05:34 PM

The Lions are going to "Dawgdaze" you all the way back into the oilfields!:D:D:D You have no idea!LOL

Txbroadcaster

12-05-2010, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Barely beat LL. Almost lost to Sanger. Got killed by Carthage. Am I missing something? The decent teams they beat held their own or beat them?

if ur going by that..who did Bwood beat? a 5 loss Stephenville team..who else? Monohans who were un beaten in a weak region..Snyder? who was twice beat by Monohans...So again if your screaming argyle beat no one, then the same can be said for Bwood

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Rocket
Barely beat LL. Almost lost to Sanger. Got killed by Carthage. Am I missing something? The decent teams they beat held their own or beat them?

Who is LL? Sanger was a rivalry game for 1st place in district=throw it out. They were undefeated no matter how you look at it. UNTIL we took their UN and left them with defeated. Same we will do with Wormwood.

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by BEAST
All this talk reminds me of what the LaMarque peeps said when getting ready to play Stephenville back in the mid 90's. LaMarque was the faster, ball pounding team. Stephenville was the slow west Texas team. Coach Merket was the OC at the Ville then. How did those games go? Stephenville beat them every single time. How? The system. You easterners will see it soon.

BEAST

I posted it earlier. You aren't just playing a team of weapons and good coaches, but a very complex system that NO TEAM has come close to stopping. Get your freakin' popcorn ready...

Rocket

12-05-2010, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
if ur going by that..who did Bwood beat? a 5 loss Stephenville team..who else? Monohans who were un beaten in a weak region..Snyder? who was twice beat by Monohans...So again if your screaming argyle beat no one, then the same can be said for Bwood

The difference is we totally destroyed every one of those teams you just mentioned. Argyle played patty cakes with them.

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by 91 lion
Dude...I've been reading all of your posts. You seem to be pretty level headed, but you are a little too loose with your racial descriptions. Watch what you say.

Oh we can't say what race people are in here?

Dawgdaze

12-05-2010, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by BEAST
All this talk reminds me of what the LaMarque peeps said when getting ready to play Stephenville back in the mid 90's. LaMarque was the faster, ball pounding team. Stephenville was the slow west Texas team. Coach Merket was the OC at the Ville then. How did those games go? Stephenville beat them every single time. How? The system. You easterners will see it soon.

BEAST

Oh are we comparing East and West Texas teams of the past? I wouldn't do that. You might not like what you see. Put it this way. This is the round us East Texas folks love when we get to play west texas teams because it was SO much easier than the last game. 1991 Carthage vs. Sweetwater: Carthage 34 Sweetwater 14. Look back and you will see lots of lopsided victories vs. those awesome west texas teams.