DII State Championship game: Argyle Eagles (14-1) vs. Wimberley Texans (15-0)

[ADKargyleTCU12]

You need 100 posts so get busy..wait, you're an Argyle supporter, never mind..lol..

haha okay thanks for letting me know. I'll get there!

[rb585]

That FG record is amazing and puzzling. I can't imagine how you even get that many attempts during the season. Doesn't seem like Wimberley has had anywhere near 28 4th-down situations inside the opponent's 30 this season.

[firstdown]

That FG record is amazing and puzzling. I can't imagine how you even get that many attempts during the season. Doesn't seem like Wimberley has had anywhere near 28 4th-down situations inside the opponent's 30 this season.

We didn't punt much this year, maybe on the average 2 times a game. (but that's just a guess) Most of our possessions ended in points of some kind.

[Gone Fishing]

We didn't punt much this year, maybe on the average 2 times a game. (but that's just a guess) Most of our possessions ended in points of some kind.

We don't punt from the 28 yd line either. LOL. Just saying! 28+7+10= 45. (your longest FG)

[firstdown]

We don't punt from the 28 yd line either. LOL. Just saying! 28+7+10= 45. (your longest FG)

Then do you kick field goals?

[Gone Fishing]

[QUOTE=ADKargyleTCU12;1650491]Here are some thoughts that I had that I wanted to share...

-It has been claimed that Wimberley has a better rushing attack than Argyle does but I do not see how this is accurate. Argyle has 586 more rushing yards than Wimberley on the season and Argyle RB Tyler Eveleth has outrushed Trinity Wilson. Can someone from Wimberley fill me in on why Wimberley has the edge here.

Well one thing, Wimberley has played one less game due the game against Smithville being canceled, (14 vs 15) IMO its save to say that 586 could be more like 300 or under. Also, we spread it around quite a bit during the regular season lop sided games. Our 4th string RB averages 10 yards a carry. Just saying.

[Gone Fishing]

Then do you kick field goals?

No we generally score touchdowns. But our field goal kicker is 100% on the 5 or 6 attempts.

[lbjacj]

Then do you kick field goals?
No we usually go for it and score! I wish I knew how many 4th down TD's we had this year cause it's a lot

[hunt4it44]

Such a benefit to have a great kicker. Wimberley went literally 8 seasons in a row with a good to great kicker. It really helps. The kicker this year is not of that caliber although he is young and should improve.


If I am not mistaken, Avila is perect on PAT's except for one bad snap where it wasnt his fault. While I admit he doesnt have great range and they are sometimes not very pretty, he is 4 for 4 on FG's.

[ogg]

Then do you kick field goals?

Not really, Wimberley's red zone this year seemed to start at the opponents 40 yd. line. They score TDs. :)

[Gone Fishing]

If I am not mistaken, Avila is perect on PAT's except for one bad snap where it wasnt his fault. While I admit he doesnt have great range and they are sometimes not very pretty, he is 4 for 4 on FG's.

You might be surprised. He makes it from 40 in practice all the time and heard that he has made a 44 or 45. He is still learning that the football is not a soccer ball. He might be real good by next year. Even though they were only PAT's I remember the overtime game very well!!

[Sportshack]

After careful analysis of all of the data...stats, film, 2nd hand information...I have come to the inevitable conclusion that Argyle has the better place kicker. :ack!:

[j_dog]

Get 'em Wimberly Texans. :clap: You may be the underdog, but can't go against Texans!

[MajorApplehorn]

[QUOTE=ADKargyleTCU12;1650491]Here are some thoughts that I had that I wanted to share...

-It has been claimed that Wimberley has a better rushing attack than Argyle does but I do not see how this is accurate. Argyle has 586 more rushing yards than Wimberley on the season and Argyle RB Tyler Eveleth has outrushed Trinity Wilson. Can someone from Wimberley fill me in on why Wimberley has the edge here.

Well one thing, Wimberley has played one less game due the game against Smithville being canceled, (14 vs 15) IMO its save to say that 586 could be more like 300 or under. Also, we spread it around quite a bit during the regular season lop sided games. Our 4th string RB averages 10 yards a carry. Just saying.

The same can be said of both teams. Aune, alone, never played a 4th quarter (aside from Prosper 1) until the playoffs. Round 2, to be exact. The whole team missed the 4th quarter in the Burkburnett game, as it was called due to a serious Burk injury in the 3rd.

Bottom line: Both teams are good! Both have played a tough team or two. Argyle has had the much tougher road. Prosper, Carthage, and Gilmer are all better than anyone Wimberley played, including Coldspring. I saw every one of them play multiple times. None of this matters, though, come Friday. Both teams have to play to win. Should be a good one.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

[QUOTE=ADKargyleTCU12;1650491]Here are some thoughts that I had that I wanted to share...

-It has been claimed that Wimberley has a better rushing attack than Argyle does but I do not see how this is accurate. Argyle has 586 more rushing yards than Wimberley on the season and Argyle RB Tyler Eveleth has outrushed Trinity Wilson. Can someone from Wimberley fill me in on why Wimberley has the edge here.

Well one thing, Wimberley has played one less game due the game against Smithville being canceled, (14 vs 15) IMO its save to say that 586 could be more like 300 or under. Also, we spread it around quite a bit during the regular season lop sided games. Our 4th string RB averages 10 yards a carry. Just saying.

Good point my friend, I forgot that Wimberley had played one less game! So the numbers would be much more even if Wimberley had played another game.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

[QUOTE=Gone Fishing;1650656]

The same can be said of both teams. Aune, alone, never played a 4th quarter (aside from Prosper 1) until the playoffs. Round 2, to be exact. The whole team missed the 4th quarter in the Burkburnett game, as it was called due to a serious Burk injury in the 3rd.

Another good point! I forgot about the Burkburnett game. Still amazed that he walked out of the hospital the next day. God is good.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

3A All-state First Team

FIRST-TEAM OFFENSE

Linemen:
— GREG BRANTLEY, Carthage, Sr. -- Graded 94 pct., 64 knockdowns; no sacks allowed in 263 passes
— TREY KEENAN, Argyle, Sr. -- Graded 92 pct., 66 pancakes, no sacks allowed in 225 passes
— ANDY MCNEW, Robinson, Jr. -- Graded 96 pct, no sacks allowed on 400 passes, 26 pancakes
— TRENTON MERKEL, Perryton, Sr. -- Graded 98.7 pct, 19 pancakes, no sacks allowed
— AURELIANO SILVA, Port Isabel, Sr. -- Graded 97 pct., 60 pancakes, no sacks allowed, 20 downfield blocks for TDs

Receivers/ends:
— JAROD ADAMS, Seminole, Sr. -- 51 catches, 1,070 yds, 16 TDs; 3 return TDs
— TRENT SCHUETT, Bridgeport, Sr. -- 76 catches, 1,374 yds, 18 TDs

Quarterback:
— KADARIUS BAKER, Navasota, Jr. -- 2,349 passing yds, 33 TDs, 2 INTs; 7 rush TDs

Running backs:
— JORDAN BARNES, Van Alstyne, Sr. -- 2,357 rush yds, 28 TDs
— SHERMAN GILBERT, Coldspring-Oakhurst, Sr. -- 1,943 rush yds, 31 TDs; 2 receiving TDs
— WAYNE ONDERDONCK, Alvarado, Sr. -- 2,054 rush yds, 19 TDs
— JOSEPH SADLER, Devine, Sr. -- 2,884 rush yds, 46 TDs; 177 receiving yds, 3 TDs

Kicker:
— COLE HEDLUND, Argyle, Soph. -- 13-14 FGs, long of 42; 49-51 PATs

_______

FIRST-TEAM DEFENSE

Linemen:
— CHANCE ANDRIES, Coldspring-Oakhurst, Sr. -- 107 tackles, 20 TFL, 4 forced fumbles, 5 fumble recoveries, 2 TDs
— JAKE BAUER, Navasota, Jr. -- 55 solo tackles, 52 assists, 13 sacks, 33 TFL, 2 forced fumbles, 16 hurries
— BO BRADY, Henderson, Jr. -- 92 tackles, 16 sacks, 25 TFL, 7 forced fumbles, 1 blocked punt
— KENDRICK HARRISON, Coldspring-Oakhurst, Sr. -- 122 tackles, 16 TFL, 2 forced fumbles, 4 fumble recoveries (1 TD)

Linebacker:
— DERICK CASTRO, Sinton, Sr. -- 153 tackles, 99 solo, 18 TFL, 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles
— STEPHEN REESE, Henderson, Sr. -- 114 tackles, 4 sacks, 24 TFL, 4 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, 3 pass breakups
— JOHN WOOD, Whitesboro, Sr. -- 129 tackles, 7 sacks, 11 TFL, 6 forced fumbles, 4 fumble recoveries, 2 kick blocks

Defensive backs:
— BYRON BROOKS, Farmersville, Sr. -- 92 tackles, 8 INTs (2 TD returns), 6 pass breakups
— TREYLON JOHNICAN, West Columbia, Sr. -- 51 tackles, 8 INTs, 5 pass breakups, 2 punt return TDs
— PATRICK LEVELS, Dallas Roosevelt, Sr. -- 177 tackles, 118 solo, 8 INTs (4 TD returns), 3 punt return TDs, 6 TFL
— HECTOR VILLARREAL, Rio Grande City Grulla, Sr. -- 135 Tackles, 8 INTs (1 TD return), 6 sacks, 6 forced fumbles

Punter:
— CHUY ALVAREZ, Van, Jr. -- 42-yd avg on 48 punts, long of 61; 4 inside 20

Defensive Player of the Year: Patrick Levels, Dallas Roosevelt


The rest of the 3A All-state team is here: http://etfinalscore.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1413%3Aapse-class-3a-all-state-football-team&catid=113%3Afootball-tab&Itemid=393

[Gone Fishing]

After careful analysis of all of the data...stats, film, 2nd hand information...I have come to the inevitable conclusion that Argyle has the better place kicker. :ack!:

Yes, they do.

[Gone Fishing]

[QUOTE=Gone Fishing;1650656]

The same can be said of both teams. Aune, alone, never played a 4th quarter (aside from Prosper 1) until the playoffs. Round 2, to be exact. The whole team missed the 4th quarter in the Burkburnett game, as it was called due to a serious Burk injury in the 3rd.

Bottom line: Both teams are good! Both have played a tough team or two. Argyle has had the much tougher road. Prosper, Carthage, and Gilmer are all better than anyone Wimberley played, including Coldspring. I saw every one of them play multiple times. None of this matters, though, come Friday. Both teams have to play to win. Should be a good one.

Well we can go back and forth on all the tougher road stuff , but I will say IMHO, Gonzales and Devine are very good football teams and could beat any team on a given night. But, you are not going to convince me that all three teams you mentioned are better than Coldspring. So with that said I feel Wimberley has played very quality teams in the play offs to get here just like Argyle.

[wimbo_pro]

Austin American Statesman only shows Wilson, Smith, Kelly and Brady Lambert (not West) as carrying the ball last week. They do have an online article today that mentions West and they say he recovered a fumble on a kickoff when Wimberley played Devine. I remember that fumble and remember it was a freshman who made the play, but I dont recall that it was West Lambert.

OK, thanks Hunt.

[wimbo_pro]

Wow I'm 39-3 in my picks for Argyle in the last three years, yet when I give my prediction......:wave:

Hey...get off my cloud.

[wimbo_pro]

Ok...here it is..the game analysis. Sorry it took so long, but studying the stats, game films and interviewing coaches/players who have played against Argyle this year has taken some time. I have looked at all the sportswriters opinions, I have torn apart the stats till the cows came home, I have compiled a astrological matrix of birthdays of all the players, I have even studied and categorized the type of cars driven by the coaches (Argyle? A Mini-Coup? really?). I have sought advice and guidance from A Hindu Pundit (not a fan of football, but he dug my sandals).

Here is the ONE REASON WHY WIMBERLEY WILL WIN THIS GAME.

All things being equal, the word "Wimberley" scores more points in Scrabble than does "Argyle".



<<<honestly...thats all I could find, it's all I got. It's just too damned close to call>>>

[Sportshack]

Wow I'm 39-3 in my picks for Argyle in the last three years, yet when I give my prediction......:wave:

Well lets just use last the 2 years since these teams returned so many players. Wimbo_Pro has edge at 97% to 93%...4% is huge in prognostications circles...just saying!!! I am positive that for some reason you just did not see that beat down coming earlier in the season...it happens to the best of prognosticators!!! I hear that Wimbo's most recent and thoughtful analyis is hot off the presses. :2thumbsup

[regaleagle]

I wonder is TCU coach Gary Patterson will attend the game. Maybe he'll come with David Johnson and sit on the Argyle side. Or better yet, be an honorary DC for us on the sidelines. No, that'll make Aune nervous. Better just stay in the stands if he shows.

[lbjacj]

Rick Cantu and Danny Davis talk up Texans...

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/varsitynews/entries/2011/12/13/_did_you_know_d.html?cxntfid=blogs_varsity_news

[regaleagle]

I don't know if our secret weapon will be unleashed this week or not. Sometimes, it's not needed, but I have a feeling we need all the help we can muster in this game. Tejastrue, you just about got it right. Sometime during the game when your offense is on the bench, usually after a score, our cheerleaders will be behind your bench drooling about how wonderful and gorgeous your qb & another player is, within earshot of them, fussing over which one they like the most. This normally goes unnoticed by the coaches, but not the players. It's difficult to say what kind of effect it has, but it's always worth trying...LOL.

[lbjacj]

Brady Lambert...
http://www.kvue.com/sports/This-Texan-knows-titles-135549118.html

[lbjacj]

Coach Nelms..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y6ykqDvjHQ&sns=fb

These reporters need to check the accuracy of what they say!

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Ok...here it is..the game analysis. Sorry it took so long, but studying the stats, game films and interviewing coaches/players who have played against Argyle this year has taken some time. I have looked at all the sportswriters opinions, I have torn apart the stats till the cows came home, I have compiled a astrological matrix of birthdays of all the players, I have even studied and categorized the type of cars driven by the coaches (Argyle? A Mini-Coup? really?). I have sought advice and guidance from A Hindu Pundit (not a fan of football, but he dug my sandals).

Here is the ONE REASON WHY WIMBERLEY WILL WIN THIS GAME.

All things being equal, the word "Wimberley" scores more points in Scrabble than does "Argyle".



<<<honestly...thats all I could find, it's all I got. It's just too damned close to call>>>

LOL, Now that's funny - I don't care who you are! So Argyle wins the football game then?

[ADKargyleTCU12]

I wonder is TCU coach Gary Patterson will attend the game. Maybe he'll come with David Johnson and sit on the Argyle side. Or better yet, be an honorary DC for us on the sidelines. No, that'll make Aune nervous. Better just stay in the stands if he shows.

I talked to him 2 weeks ago before our game against Gilmer about Austin Aune a little bit. David Johnson will definitely be down there on the sideline. I'm sure Coach P will be in Jerryworld somewhere.

[lbjacj]

Blakemore...

http://www.statesman.com/sports/highschool/wimberley/high-school-football-player-of-the-week-game-2030569.html

Taylor Robertson...

http://www.statesman.com/sports/highschool/wimberley/wimberleys-robertson-seeks-second-state-title-2030711.html

Matchup...

http://lonestargridiron.com/2011/12/13/argyle-eagles-14-1-vs-wimberley-texans-14-0/

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Blakemore...

http://www.statesman.com/sports/highschool/wimberley/high-school-football-player-of-the-week-game-2030569.html

Taylor Robertson...

http://www.statesman.com/sports/highschool/wimberley/wimberleys-robertson-seeks-second-state-title-2030711.html

6-7 310 pounder!?!? Say what?!!!!

[rb585]

I'm the resident pessimist -- I picked us to lose to Gonzales, although I did condition it on Blakemore not playing -- but yeah, I think our secondary is going to have a lot of trouble. We're really missing Josh Gray. Argyle 45-35.

[Sportshack]

6-7 310 pounder!?!? Say what?!!!!

I believe that to be an exaggeration...he is more like 6'6" and 290 lbs.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

I believe that to be an exaggeration...he is more like 6'6" and 290 lbs.

Lol okay, fine. That is still a big human!

[ADKargyleTCU12]

I'm the resident pessimist -- I picked us to lose to Gonzales, although I did condition it on Blakemore not playing -- but yeah, I think our secondary is going to have a lot of trouble. We're really missing Josh Gray. Argyle 45-35.

I really do think that Wimberley is a little overmatched in this game but I don't know that this game will be as high scoring as you predicted. Also, it's the state championship game so you never know what will happen. I could see Wimberley winning. It really just depends on which Argyle team shows up to play. If the team that shows up is the same one that played Monahans last week, Wimberley will win. If the team shows up that has rattled off 10 straight incuding beating Sanger, Prosper, Carthage, and Gilmer, then I do think that Argyle will take it.

It really all comes down to if Wimberley can get through Argyle's offensive line to Austin Aune. Someone will have to play "spy" on him all night and they had better be fast because Aune is very fast. He does not take hits for the extra 3 yards; he will run out of bounds after an easy 8 yards.

It sounds like one key for Argyle will be to keep Blakemore from beating them as he did to Coldspring last week - Tebow style at the end of the game.

[rb585]

Brady Lambert...
http://www.kvue.com/sports/This-Texan-knows-titles-135549118.html

Who are Dennis' cousin and brother?

[rb585]

I really do think that Wimberley is a little overmatched in this game but I don't know that this game will be as high scoring as you predicted. Also, it's the state championship game so you never know what will happen. I could see Wimberley winning. It really just depends on which Argyle team shows up to play. If the team that shows up is the same one that played Monahans last week, Wimberley will win. If the team shows up that has rattled off 10 straight incuding beating Sanger, Prosper, Carthage, and Gilmer, then I do think that Argyle will take it.

It really all comes down to if Wimberley can get through Argyle's offensive line to Austin Aune. Someone will have to play "spy" on him all night and they had better be fast because Aune is very fast. He does not take hits for the extra 3 yards; he will run out of bounds after an easy 8 yards.

It sounds like one key for Argyle will be to keep Blakemore from beating them as he did to Coldspring last week - Tebow style at the end of the game.

Oh, I could definitely see Wimberley winning. I just think they're going to be hampered because they haven't seen a capable passing team for the entire playoffs.

[regaleagle]

I'm positive either team will be just thrilled to win by one point. All of these prognostications are moot when you have two quality teams and coaching staffs going for the state title against each other. My opinion of the Wimberley Texans is very high. Anyone who tries to put a pencil to this one is wasting their time. Athletic team against athletic team, balanced attack for each team, seasoned playoffs squads each, senior leaders and returners from both, quality staffs that are each known for making in-game adjustments well. Add it all up, and you have a hard-fought battle that will probably be decided very late. Maybe in the last minute.

[Aesculus gilmus]

Coach Nelms..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y6ykqDvjHQ&sns=fb

These reporters need to check the accuracy of what they say!

Leila Rahimi, whom I've had the honor of actually having met, used to be on TV up here at Channel 19 in Tyler. I didn't catch her getting anything wrong except for saying 15-0 rather than 14-0 and she can be excused for not being informed about the Smithville game being called off. It was the woman back in the studio messing up about the Texans not ever having won state or whoever wrote her script and did the wrong graphics.

Another minor thing that just irritates me is whenever people (such as the woman from Wimberley who was interviewed) say "Dallas" when they mean "Arlington" as the latter is now a city of several hundred thousand people itself. (From Wikipedia: According to the 2010 census results, the city had a population of 365,438,[3] making it the third largest municipality in the Metroplex. Arlington is the seventh-largest city in Texas and the 50th largest city in the United States.[4])

[LionFan72]

Leila Rahimi, whom I've had the honor of actually having met, used to be on TV up here at Channel 19 in Tyler. I didn't catch her getting anything wrong except for saying 15-0 rather than 14-0 and she can be excused for not being informed about the Smithville game being called off. It was the woman back in the studio messing up about the Texans not ever having won state or whoever wrote her script and did the wrong graphics.

Another minor thing that just irritates me is whenever people (such as the woman from Wimberley who was interviewed) say "Dallas" when they mean "Arlington" as the latter is now a city of several hundred thousand people itself. (From Wikipedia: According to the 2010 census results, the city had a population of 365,438,[3] making it the third largest municipality in the Metroplex. Arlington is the seventh-largest city in Texas and the 50th largest city in the United States.[4])
Thanks for the history lesson, and this game will make history! Analyze this, measure that, guess what, you wind up with two teams even steven on the field. It will be a classic war on the field. The game will have a final score, but both will be winners in the grand scheme of things. Good luck Argyle-Wimberley, safe travels, see you at Cowgirls stadium, gonna be good one!

[YTBulldogs]

Ok, here is my prediction:

Wimberley 35
Argyle 24

Close first half, and then Nelms and Company makes those adjustments and pull away in 2nd half. I think Argyle will punt and KO to the deep men and they will pay. Can't help but think they are already thinking they beat the best in Carthage and Gilmer (that ET speed) and think they can play their normal type game in this one. Blakemore takes a pair back to the house in this one.

Lambert will have to make good reads to give or not again this week.

[Sportshack]

Who are Dennis' cousin and brother?

Richard Samuels is his cousin...so to speak...not really but their moms are close like sisters. His brother was Meaux Ford.

[lbjacj]

More Texan Coverage...

http://www.kxan.com/dpp/sports/wimberley-back-to-state-title-game


http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/sports/local/Wimberley-Seeks-Second-State-Title20111213-ktbcw-#axzz1gTuhg6Lm

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Ok, here is my prediction:

Wimberley 35
Argyle 24

Close first half, and then Nelms and Company makes those adjustments and pull away in 2nd half. I think Argyle will punt and KO to the deep men and they will pay. Can't help but think they are already thinking they beat the best in Carthage and Gilmer (that ET speed) and think they can play their normal type game in this one. Blakemore takes a pair back to the house in this one.

Lambert will have to make good reads to give or not again this week.

We've only been held to less than 31 once all season so if Wimberley is to "pull away in the second half," they will have to score more than 35 to win. I realize the Wimberley people think that they have a great defense but the Argyle offense is clicking on all cylinders right now and you guys have said yourselves that you haven't played a passing team like Argyle yet. Argyle wins.

[YTBulldogs]

We've only been held to less than 31 once all season so if Wimberley is to "pull away in the second half," they will have to score more than 35 to win. I realize the Wimberley people think that they have a great defense but the Argyle offense is clicking on all cylinders right now and you guys have said yourselves that you haven't played a passing team like Argyle yet. Also the score of "35" means that you hit two field goals. You guys have said that your kicker has made 4 field goals all season? How would he make 2 in one game? Argyle wins.

Really. I kinda figured 5 TD's, and 5 extra points = 35. He does have extra point range. :)

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Really. I kinda figured 5 TD's, and 5 extra points = 35. He does have extra point range. :)

I edited that comment before it showed up... Not sure how you still saw it. My math skills aren't the best apparantly.

[YTBulldogs]

I edited that comment before it showed up... Not sure how you still saw it. My math skills aren't the best apparantly.

I'm quick. I can even see your thoughts. :p And, your currently thinking you've already played the best in Gilmer and Carthage. Can't help but think the team might have some of that thought too. Taking things lightly I sense.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

I'm quick. I can even see your thoughts. :p And, your currently thinking you've already played the best in Gilmer and Carthage. Can't help but think the team might have some of that thought too. Taking things lightly I sense.

I think we had those thoughts in the first half last week against Monahans and then at half time, Coach Rodgers ripped the team a new you-know-what. In the second half, they completely dominated and only allowed Monahans 38 yards of offense. Now, I know that Wimberley is no Monahans but I believe you will see that second half team come Friday.

[YTBulldogs]

I think we had those thoughts in the first half last week against Monahans and then at half time, Coach Rodgers ripped the team a new you-know-what. In the second half, they completely dominated and only allowed Monahans 38 yards of offense. Now, I know that Wimberley is no Monahans but I believe you will see that second half team come Friday.

I hope. I'm just a high school football fan with no ties to any of these state teams. Pulling for my 3A R4 team for sure, but---I think this will be a great game.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

I hope. I'm just a high school football fan with no ties to any of these state teams. Pulling for my 3A R4 team for sure, but---I think this will be a great game.

It will be a great one.

It will rival Argyle vs. Carthage, Argyle vs. Gilmer, and Wimberley vs. Coldspring.

[lbjacj]

I hope. I'm just a high school football fan with no ties to any of these state teams. Pulling for my 3A R4 team for sure, but---I think this will be a great game.
You can't say you have no ties to Wimberley. You have met the "Great Wimbo!" We are a part of you now!:cheerl:

[ADKargyleTCU12]

You can't say you have no ties to Wimberley. You have met the "Great Wimbo!" We are a part of you now!:cheerl:

The "Great Wimbo" said that Wimberley would win because "Wimberley" scores more points than "Argyle" in scrabble! Give me something else, Wimbo!

[YTBulldogs]

You can't say you have no ties to Wimberley. You have met the "Great Wimbo!" We are a part of you now!:cheerl:

LOL. This is true. Ya'll get me that shirt tomorrow night then at pep rally. Pay ya the $10 in Arlington.

[lbjacj]

LOL. This is true. Ya'll get me that shirt tomorrow night then at pep rally. Pay ya the $10 in Arlington.

What size do you wear?

[YTBulldogs]

What size do you wear?

Large

[lbjacj]

Large

I'll do my best but make no promises! They have moved the pep rally from the stadium to the gym and I may not even get one for myself or the grandkids if it is too crazy.The gym won't hold a quarter of the people who will show up but I will try!

[YTBulldogs]

I'll do my best but make no promises! They have moved the pep rally from the stadium to the gym and I may not even get one for myself or the grandkids if it is too crazy.The gym won't hold a quarter of the people who will show up but I will try!

Thanks. Make sure the home folks get first shot at those shirts.

[Los Owls]

I want a shirt that says:Wimbo wAcKoS fanatics..:ack!:

[YTBulldogs]

I want a shirt that says:Wimbo wAcKoS fanatics..:ack!:

Look, a LO sighting. We thought you changed your name to Firstdown. :p You going to the game LO?

[regaleagle]

Wimbo and Tejastrue have been suspiciously absent and quiet on here for sometime now. I'm wondering if Wimbo has gone back to review all his charts & graphs, and called in Tejastrue for help on this one. A couple of "mad scientists" searching desparately to see if they missed something. After all, the adjusted statistics did have the game dead even, a dead ringer. Wimbo, remember the intangilbes. Stats don't show the human element. What can you tell us about the intangilbles that most certainly will play BIG in this game, in your opinion?

[ADKargyleTCU12]

17 more posts until I vote in this poll. Give me something to talk about!!

[LionFan72]

Argyle coaching staff and history, put one stat in a post!

[YTBulldogs]

One of the intangibles I just learned. Lost Owl's will be driving the Texan team bus.

In regards to coaching, not sure many staff's find edge's like Coach Nelms and his Texan staff. Like, maybe a lineman drops his foot on a pass and not on a run when taking his stance? Just saying. :)

[Tejastrue]

We may struggle against your offense early on. We will adjust and be fine. My thinking is you guys really do not believe we are in the same league. That is reflected not only here but in other forums. Advantage Wimberley. I seriously doubt that Argyle has any more team speed than Coldspring therefore we will not be ill prepared. Eager to see how our coaching scheme will free up guys to put pressure on your QB. Curious to see how he reacts if sacked multiple times. With all the (well deserved) hype about this guy I believe it will be our own QB Lambert that is the difference in the game. If it turns out to be close my gut feeling is we have the "intangibles" to tip the scale in our favor. Lastly..."My Brother's Keeper".

[regaleagle]

After reviewing the entire game films from Carthage and Gilmer, again, I can spot certain obvious weaknesses in the Argyle defense for Wimberley to exploit all night. I'm sure the WHS coaches have a pretty good idea of how to best attack Argyle, being that they are pros at game analysis on a weekly basis. The problem I'm having with picking the winning score here is a lack of game film I can watch of the Texans over the last 3 or 4 weeks. If I could see the Gonzo or Devine and Coldsping games on film, it may give me something I could digest. I realize that the Argyle coaches have these videos, and are gameplanning for Wimberley with this information, but that doesn't help my cause now.:confused:

[ADKargyleTCU12]

We may struggle against your offense early on. We will adjust and be fine. My thinking is you guys really do not believe we are in the same league. That is reflected not only here but in other forums. Advantage Wimberley. I seriously doubt that Argyle has any more team speed than Coldspring therefore we will not be ill prepared. Eager to see how our coaching scheme will free up guys to put pressure on your QB. Curious to see how he reacts if sacked multiple times. With all the (well deserved) hype about this guy I believe it will be our own QB Lambert that is the difference in the game. If it turns out to be close my gut feeling is we have the "intangibles" to tip the scale in our favor. Lastly..."My Brother's Keeper".


I really don't understand why you say that we're saying that y'all aren't in the same league. Wimberley is undefeated and just beat a great Coldspring team who lost in the state championship game last year. All we are saying is that you haven't had to beat as good of teams as we have overall. It is the Wimberley people who came in here talking about them being the underdogs. And fine, if you want to assume that role.

[regaleagle]

That's why I have stated previosly on here that I feel this game will not be kept under 55 pts. total. I do not expect the Eagle D to stop Wimberley consistently, but I am hanging my hat on the Argyle offense(and Aune) to be able to find ways to keep scoring against Wimberley. My thinking is the Carthage D and the Prosper D gave us the most problems all year, and their physical size and talent had much to do with it. Yet Argyle was still able to overcome those obstacles and win. Two very good defenses, esp. Carthage, but our offense could not be stopped. That, my fellow viewers, is what I am hanging my hat on. Not that Wimberley will not score many points, or that Argyle will stop them consistently, but that no team has been able to stop the Eagles from scoring.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

After reviewing the entire game films from Carthage and Gilmer, again, I can spot certain obvious weaknesses in the Argyle defense for Wimberley to exploit all night. I'm sure the WHS coaches have a pretty good idea of how to best attack Argyle, being that they are pros at game analysis on a weekly basis. The problem I'm having with picking the winning score here is a lack of game film I can watch of the Texans over the last 3 or 4 weeks. If I could see the Gonzo or Devine and Coldsping games on film, it may give me something I could digest. I realize that the Argyle coaches have these videos, and are gameplanning for Wimberley with this information, but that doesn't help my cause now.:confused:

Regal - don't lose faith! Eagles get it done.

[YTBulldogs]

I don't see WT changing much from what they had to do last week IMO. Argyle is fast like CS. Let the runners get the corner successfully on you repeatedly, Argyle wins. Have to force them back into the Texan LB'ers, who to me is the backbone of the Texan "D". Argyle will try to cut the LB'ers more then any team WT has faced IMO. I see them almost bypassing the DL on sweeps to make sure they get to the LB'ers. Control the LB'ers, you hamper the Texans.

The successful runs will open up Argyle to throw. I like WT secondary though in matchup's versus the pass. Smart and fast for bigger than normal secondary guys. The safeties good at baiting a QB in thinking he has a receiver open. Key will be, can you pressure Aune and make tackles on him and not let him slip away. Dangerous on the move from clips I seen.

And like mentioned, Argyle thinks they have already played the state title games when they beat Gilmer and Carthage. Playing Monahans last week don't help either, cause this potent WT offense is night and day different and WT can provide "ET speed" at the skill positions. If Argyle punts and KO's deep, it's a big mistake. I think they will though. WT needs to directional punt and dribble, pooch their kickoffs. Reduce your chances in making a mistake in the return game.

Like normal, both teams better tackle on first contact again this week.

[YTBulldogs]

Might add this concern for both teams. Defending reverses. Back side DE's better stay home. Both teams have to pursue fast preventing the RB to get the corner, setting up the reverse.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

I don't see WT changing much from what they had to do last week IMO. Argyle is fast like CS. Let the runners get the corner successfully on you repeatedly, Argyle wins. Have to force them back into the Texan LB'ers, who to me is the backbone of the Texan "D". Argyle will try to cut the LB'ers more then any team WT has faced IMO. I see them almost bypassing the DL on sweeps to make sure they get to the LB'ers. Control the LB'ers, you hamper the Texans.

The successful runs will open up Argyle to throw. I like WT secondary though in matchup's versus the pass. Smart and fast for bigger than normal secondary guys. The safeties good at baiting a QB in thinking he has a receiver open. Key will be, can you pressure Aune and make tackles on him and not let him slip away. Dangerous on the move from clips I seen.

And like mentioned, Argyle thinks they have already played the state title games when they beat Gilmer and Carthage. Playing Monahans last week don't help either, cause this potent WT offense is night and day different and WT can provide "ET speed" at the skill positions. If Argyle punts and KO's deep, it's a big mistake. I think they will though. WT needs to directional punt and dribble, pooch their kickoffs. Reduce your chances in making a mistake in the return game.

Like normal, both teams better tackle on first contact again this week.

Most of our passes are over the middle of the field... or short curl routes to Ian Sadler #5.

[YTBulldogs]

Most of our passes are over the middle of the field... or short curl routes to Ian Sadler #5.

I don't see short curl routes being very successful against these LB'ers. Deeper the better I think.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

I don't see short curl routes being very successful against these LB'ers. Deeper the better I think.

Sadler plays wide. If Wimberley has a linebacker covering him, that is a huge mistake. A linebacker wouldn't be on him for a 8 yard curl route on the sideline.

[YTBulldogs]

Sadler plays wide. If Wimberley has a linebacker covering him, that is a huge mistake. A linebacker wouldn't be on him for a 8 yard curl route on the sideline.

LB'er will not be covering him, but--curls near hashes will not be open. If Aune has time, post, flag might be better option.

[rb585]

I like WT secondary though in matchup's versus the pass. Smart and fast for bigger than normal secondary guys. The safeties good at baiting a QB in thinking he has a receiver open.


Wow, I don't agree with you at all here. I guess we'll be playing the two safety formation this week, so if that 2nd safety is Blakemore, you may be right...


I don't see short curl routes being very successful against these LB'ers. Deeper the better I think.

This, I agree with.

[YTBulldogs]

I'd be shocked if Nelms don't use 2 safeties. But, he's the man. He'll mix it up I bet. Because, the more you throw at Aune in regards to changing up coverages, the better..

[wimbo_pro]

I'd be shocked if Nelms don't use 2 safeties. But, he's the man. He'll mix it up I bet.

Not so much Nelms as it is Coach Smith. What a great Defensive Developer. No matter the talent level, our defense is almost always very good-to-great. If we have Blakemore out there, which i bet we will, we will be fine as a group. Remember, they have to stop our offense to get the ball. Punch, counter-punch, move to the left. We will be fine.

[MajorApplehorn]

I don't see WT changing much from what they had to do last week IMO. Argyle is fast like CS. Let the runners get the corner successfully on you repeatedly, Argyle wins. Have to force them back into the Texan LB'ers, who to me is the backbone of the Texan "D". Argyle will try to cut the LB'ers more then any team WT has faced IMO. I see them almost bypassing the DL on sweeps to make sure they get to the LB'ers. Control the LB'ers, you hamper the Texans.

The successful runs will open up Argyle to throw. I like WT secondary though in matchup's versus the pass. Smart and fast for bigger than normal secondary guys. The safeties good at baiting a QB in thinking he has a receiver open. Key will be, can you pressure Aune and make tackles on him and not let him slip away. Dangerous on the move from clips I seen.

And like mentioned, Argyle thinks they have already played the state title games when they beat Gilmer and Carthage. Playing Monahans last week don't help either, cause this potent WT offense is night and day different and WT can provide "ET speed" at the skill positions. If Argyle punts and KO's deep, it's a big mistake. I think they will though. WT needs to directional punt and dribble, pooch their kickoffs. Reduce your chances in making a mistake in the return game.

Like normal, both teams better tackle on first contact again this week.

I've seen the return teams for both, and Argyle's is far superior to Wimberley's. Argyle has had more KO and punt return td's called back than Wimberley has scored. Neither will probably matter, as both will likely pooch every kickoff, or, in Argyle's case, at least, kick it out of the endzone.

[YTBulldogs]

I've seen the return teams for both, and Argyle's is far superior to Wimberley's. Argyle has had more KO and punt return td's called back than Wimberley has scored. Neither will probably matter, as both will likely pooch every kickoff, or, in Argyle's case, at least, kick it out of the endzone.

Hope it makes out of EZ? Just saying.

[MajorApplehorn]

Hope it makes out of EZ? Just saying.

Hedlund kicks it out of the EZ all the time. If not, it will be deep enough to be foolish to return.

[YTBulldogs]

Hedlund kicks it out of the EZ all the time. If not, it will be deep enough to be foolish to return.

Whew, good then. Hate to see it land around the goal line for Blakemore to return it..

[MajorApplehorn]

Whew, good then. Hate to see it land around the goal line for Blakemore to return it..

Blakemore's talented. Wait til you see Sadler...

[YTBulldogs]

Blakemore's talented. Wait til you see Sadler...

I'm certain I will not see him on a return. Heard he is something when given the chance though.

[Tejastrue]

Wimbo and Tejastrue have been suspiciously absent and quiet on here for sometime now. I'm wondering if Wimbo has gone back to review all his charts & graphs, and called in Tejastrue for help on this one. A couple of "mad scientists" searching desperately to see if they missed something. After all, the adjusted statistics did have the game dead even, a dead ringer. Wimbo, remember the intangibles. Stats don't show the human element. What can you tell us about the intangibles that most certainly will play BIG in this game, in your opinion?

Nah, Wimbo is "Black Ops" and quite unique. Works strictly alone. I think he would be offended if y'all thought I had any input with his comments or in depth game analysis. I will say that Scrabble reference befuddles me. LOL...

[mike_angler]

I've been away from the message board for the last couple of days and I have to say that if the game is as entertaining as the posts then we are all in for a treat.

[wimbo_pro]

Nah, Wimbo is "Black Ops" and quite unique. Works strictly alone. I think he would be offended if y'all thought I had any input with his comments or in depth game analysis. I will say that Scrabble reference befuddles me. LOL...

<<<..."befuddles".....nice score!!!>>>>

[wimbo_pro]

Wimbo and Tejastrue have been suspiciously absent and quiet on here for sometime now. I'm wondering if Wimbo has gone back to review all his charts & graphs, and called in Tejastrue for help on this one. A couple of "mad scientists" searching desparately to see if they missed something. After all, the adjusted statistics did have the game dead even, a dead ringer. Wimbo, remember the intangilbes. Stats don't show the human element. What can you tell us about the intangilbles that most certainly will play BIG in this game, in your opinion?

I have been traveling again this week....San Diego, Sacramento, Phoenix...returning late tonight. you can be sure I will be predicting a win. How can you NOT predict a win for your home team??? <<<...eye's RB...>>>LOL

There is so much similarity in the teams, and then where there IS a difference, it's offset by another stat that might offset that strength. For instance, looking at the ratings...

In the Defense category, Wimberley is considerably stronger than Gilmer and Prosper, so I dont see Argyle scoring 40-50 points like they did against them. Carthage is almost identical to Wimberley in Defense, and they held Argyle to 35. Gilmer gave up 51, and they are considerably below Wimberley. Monahans is no where close to the strength rating of Wimberley, and they held Argyle to 34.

In the Offensive category, Monahans is no where close to Wimberley ratings, but yet they put up 14. Carthage is closer to Wimberley, but still not as highly rated offensively...and they scored 34. Both Prosper and Gilmore are higher than Wimberley, but scored 24 and 35 respectively.

Conclusion....Argyle CAN be scored upon by a quality offense with lots of weapons. Wimberley is EXACTLY that. I think we can definitely score 32 or so.

Defensively, only Carthage can be comparable to Wimberley in ratings, and I dont even think they really are, since our stats are based on the entire year, and our BEST defense of the year has been our last 4 games.On defense, Monahans allowed 34 and Carthage allowed 35...and we are far better than the combined stats of those two defensively. I think we can hold Argyle to 28 or so.

So, with it so close, I predict the special teams win this game with field position, TD's and the kicking game.

Wimberley 35
Argyle 30

http://www.adjustedstats.com/ratings-stats/txhsfbratings.php?year=2011&class=3A

[SHSBulldog00]

Go Texans!!! Let's Finish it off right.

Wimberley 28, Argyle 14

[waterboy]

I have been traveling again this week....San Diego, Sacramento, Phoenix...returning late tonight. you can be sure I will be predicting a win. How can you NOT predict a win for your home team??? <<<...eye's RB...>>>LOL

There is so much similarity in the teams, and then where there IS a difference, it's offset by another stat that might offset that strength. For instance, looking at the ratings...

In the Defense category, Wimberley is considerably stronger than Gilmer and Prosper, so I dont see Argyle scoring 40-50 points like they did against them. Carthage is almost identical to Wimberley in Defense, and they held Argyle to 35. Gilmer gave up 51, and they are considerably below Wimberley. Monahans is no where close to the strength rating of Wimberley, and they held Argyle to 34.

In the Offensive category, Monahans is no where close to Wimberley ratings, but yet they put up 14. Carthage is closer to Wimberley, but still not as highly rated offensively...and they scored 34. Both Prosper and Gilmore are higher than Wimberley, but scored 24 and 35 respectively.

Conclusion....Argyle CAN be scored upon by a quality offense with lots of weapons. Wimberley is EXACTLY that. I think we can definitely score 32 or so.

Defensively, only Carthage can be comparable to Wimberley in ratings, and I dont even think they really are, since our stats are based on the entire year, and our BEST defense of the year has been our last 4 games.On defense, Monahans allowed 34 and Carthage allowed 35...and we are far better than the combined stats of those two defensively. I think we can hold Argyle to 28 or so.

So, with it so close, I predict the special teams win this game with field position, TD's and the kicking game.

Wimberley 35
Argyle 30
Methinks you're reading too much into scores. Argyle will score more than any other team has on y'all so far. The main question is will y'all be able to stop them defensively enough for the Wimberley offense to catch up? Argyle scored on a pick 6, and scored a TD with less than two minutes left when the game was already decided against Gilmer. Argyle is big, fast, and physical, and the Texans will have to be able to match them with the same. They will also have to force Argyle into mistakes by getting to Aune, something nobody has done all year, and I can guarantee you they've played some very good defenses. Good luck with that. I think Argyle wins this one in a shootout.

I could be wrong, but I predict:

Argyle 40 something
Wimberley 30 something

[YTBulldogs]

In the Offensive category, Monahans is no where close to Wimberley ratings, but yet they put up 14. Carthage is closer to Wimberley, but still not as highly rated offensively...and they scored 34. Both Prosper and Gilmore are higher than Wimberley, but scored 24 and 35 respectively.





Happy Gilmore was solid. :)

[wimbo_pro]

Methinks you're reading too much into scores. Argyle scored on a pick 6, and scored a TD with less than two minutes left when the game was already decided against Gilmer. Argyle is big, fast, and physical, and the Texans will have to be able to match them with the same.

First, it's all I have to go on (scores and such), looking at the stats. But somewhere in those scores/stats is a clue...not sure I have hit on it, but its there. Also, your comment about Argyle scoring with less than 2 mins in the game actually SUPPORTS my position that weaker teams can (and have) competed with Argyle, even up till the end. As far as Argyle being "big, fast and physical.."...tell me something we didn't know, or better yet...tell me something we haven't faced our entire play off history. The roads in Wimberley are paved with the white-washed bones of play-off opponents that were "big, fast and physical". Methinks you underestimate Wimberley.

[YTBulldogs]

Wimbo, himthinks right more often than not too. :ack!:

[Tejastrue]

Wimbo, himthinks right more often than not too. :ack!:

Methinks and uthinks what hethinks is right. Melikes...lol

[YTBulldogs]

Methinks and uthinks what hethinks is right. Melikes...lol

Wimbo, himstinks.:wave:

[warhorsejoe]

GOOD Luck To Wimberley they have a tough game against Argyle. They will be a very tough team to beat.

GO TEXANS!!!

[firstdown]

Wimbo, himstinks.:wave:

:iagree:

:1popcorn:

[YTBulldogs]

:iagree:

:1popcorn:

Be nice Firstdown (aka Lost Owl). He didn't pick a Texan 38 point victory margin on ya. :p For real, good luck to your team and enjoy the state journey and happenings. That goes for both towns fan's and players. Safe travels, roads might be little slick.

[Sportshack]

Blakemore's talented. Wait til you see Sadler...

Sadler is goooood. I saw the Gilmer game film and some other highlight clips. Sort of a poor man's Brennen Blakemore. And wait until them DB's see Dennis Smith bearing down on them...oy!!!!

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Hedlund kicks it out of the EZ all the time. If not, it will be deep enough to be foolish to return.

Yes, many of Hedlund's kicks will go out the back of the end zone. I've seen a couple go through the upright. Return game doesn't favor either team.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

I have been traveling again this week....San Diego, Sacramento, Phoenix...returning late tonight. you can be sure I will be predicting a win. How can you NOT predict a win for your home team??? <<<...eye's RB...>>>LOL

There is so much similarity in the teams, and then where there IS a difference, it's offset by another stat that might offset that strength. For instance, looking at the ratings...

In the Defense category, Wimberley is considerably stronger than Gilmer and Prosper, so I dont see Argyle scoring 40-50 points like they did against them. Carthage is almost identical to Wimberley in Defense, and they held Argyle to 35. Gilmer gave up 51, and they are considerably below Wimberley. Monahans is no where close to the strength rating of Wimberley, and they held Argyle to 34.

In the Offensive category, Monahans is no where close to Wimberley ratings, but yet they put up 14. Carthage is closer to Wimberley, but still not as highly rated offensively...and they scored 34. Both Prosper and Gilmore are higher than Wimberley, but scored 24 and 35 respectively.

Conclusion....Argyle CAN be scored upon by a quality offense with lots of weapons. Wimberley is EXACTLY that. I think we can definitely score 32 or so.

Defensively, only Carthage can be comparable to Wimberley in ratings, and I dont even think they really are, since our stats are based on the entire year, and our BEST defense of the year has been our last 4 games.On defense, Monahans allowed 34 and Carthage allowed 35...and we are far better than the combined stats of those two defensively. I think we can hold Argyle to 28 or so.

So, with it so close, I predict the special teams win this game with field position, TD's and the kicking game.

Wimberley 35
Argyle 30

http://www.adjustedstats.com/ratings-stats/txhsfbratings.php?year=2011&class=3A

You don't want it to come down to the kicking game...

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Go Texans!!! Let's Finish it off right.

Wimberley 28, Argyle 14

You can't hold Argyle to 14 points - try again.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Methinks you're reading too much into scores. Argyle will score more than any other team has on y'all so far. The main question is will y'all be able to stop them defensively enough for the Wimberley offense to catch up? Argyle scored on a pick 6, and scored a TD with less than two minutes left when the game was already decided against Gilmer. Argyle is big, fast, and physical, and the Texans will have to be able to match them with the same. They will also have to force Argyle into mistakes by getting to Aune, something nobody has done all year, and I can guarantee you they've played some very good defenses. Good luck with that. I think Argyle wins this one in a shootout.

I could be wrong, but I predict:

Argyle 40 something
Wimberley 30 something

Now that's more like it.

[wimbo_pro]

You don't want it to come down to the kicking game...
Didnt say i DID want it to come down to the kicking game, just saying it might.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Sadler is goooood. I saw the Gilmer game film and some other highlight clips. Sort of a poor man's Brennen Blakemore. And wait until them DB's see Dennis Smith bearing down on them...oy!!!!

LOL "Poor man's Brennen Blakemore." Sadler is a sophomore and he is going to tear you up on Friday - doesn't mean that Argyle will win but he will get his. Wait 'til this kid is a senior. He'll be a first-team all stater. Was Blakemore an all-stater? Second team? Honorable mention? Nope.

Rumor is that Ian Sadler may be the Argyle QB next year. He was a QB prior to receiver.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Didnt say i DID want it to come down to the kicking game, just saying it might.

Good point. I thought you were saying the teams were equal but the kicking game could give Wimberley the edge. My mistake.

[YTBulldogs]

You don't want it to come down to the kicking game...

Maybe I'm wrong, but--I don't recall Wimberley's kicking game to stink like your thinking. Sure, he can't kick 80 yard FG's like yours, but--he can add those PAT's while ya'll get those FG's.

Main thing he'll have to do. Pooch or dribble it after they score.

[Sportshack]

I really do think that Wimberley is a little overmatched in this game but I don't know that this game will be as high scoring as you predicted. Also, it's the state championship game so you never know what will happen. I could see Wimberley winning. It really just depends on which Argyle team shows up to play. If the team that shows up is the same one that played Monahans last week, Wimberley will win. If the team shows up that has rattled off 10 straight incuding beating Sanger, Prosper, Carthage, and Gilmer, then I do think that Argyle will take it.

It really all comes down to if Wimberley can get through Argyle's offensive line to Austin Aune. Someone will have to play "spy" on him all night and they had better be fast because Aune is very fast. He does not take hits for the extra 3 yards; he will run out of bounds after an easy 8 yards.

It sounds like one key for Argyle will be to keep Blakemore from beating them as he did to Coldspring last week - Tebow style at the end of the game.


The Texans have a QB that had 2,500 yds passing before Coldspring game. He can extend play with feet to pass or run. They have really talented RB's. Trint Wilson is a slasher with great instincts and great feet. He is also very strong despite his small frame. Dennis Smith is a freakin' nightmare at 210 lbs and will be one of fastest players on the field. He is also agile. He also plays some receiver. Kolby Kelley plays fullback when they use the I-formation and would be a starting running back on many, many teams. Great lead blocker with a ton of heart. Broke off a run against CS where he bounced it outside and got the corner on some East Texas speed to the tune of 43 yds. He is mostly a blocker but can sting an opponent. Brennen Blakemore could start as receiver on your team and would likely be #1 option. Hunter Burttschell is a very good receiver with long strides and deceptive speed. I would stack the LB's up against any unit in state. It is possible you have edge in O-line. They have some great accomplishments. However, the Wimberley front 7 to 8 have flat out been very, very good. That group has held 2 of the best RB's in the state in Sadler and Gilbert somewhat in check. 10 points and 14 points respectively. The D-line is quick and agile in the starters with a couple of bigger bodies that rotate in. Texans coaching schemes are gooood. While our offensive line only returned one starter and have been a work in progress all year, they have been performing better and better over last 4 games. I did not expect them to be able to hold off a very athletic Coldspring front but lo and behold they did enough to win. I did not see a ton on the Gilmner game film that overwhelmed me in regards to Argyle defensive line. I admit, I am handicapped by only having that game to try and make assessments. Still 35 points is 35 points.

You say the key is getting through line to pressure QB. I noticed when Gilmer got pressure up middle the throws did not come out so good even though he did not get sacked. How did Carthage get it to overtime. They did not sack him. How did Prosper win by 3 scores? Did they get to him? He was not sacked in that game either. For the record, the Texans are better than average at pressuring QB but I will admit the Argyle record of only 1 sack speaks for itself. I have seen some teams slow Blakemore down a little but it cost them in other areas. He flat out manned up against really good DB's last week. I would guess your DB's are not as good as those guys but I do not really know. I can tell that they are a scrappy, scrappy well coached bunch. Of course I could be wrong on what I saw in Gilmer game film and Gilmer definitely had some receivers that were a hand full.

It seems like you are kinda saying either Austin Aune is going to pass the ball all over the place or he is going to run the ball all over the place and that will simply put be that. Well he is a baller to be sure. We will see.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Maybe I'm wrong, but--I don't recall Wimberley's kicking game to stink like your thinking. Sure, he can't kick 80 yard FG's like yours, but--he can add those PAT's while ya'll get those FG's.

Main thing he'll have to do. Pooch or dribble it after they score.

I NEVER said that your kicking game "stinks." I simply said that Argyle has the clear advantage here.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

The Texans have a QB that had 2,500 yds passing before Coldspring game. He can extend play with feet to pass or run. They have really talented RB's. Trint Wilson is a slasher with great instincts and great feet. He is also very strong despite his small frame. Dennis Smith is a freakin' nightmare at 210 lbs and will be one of fastest players on the field. He is also agile. He also plays some receiver. Kolby Kelley plays fullback when they use the I-formation and would be a starting running back on many, many teams. Great lead blocker with a ton of heart. Broke off a run against CS where he bounced it outside and got the corner on some East Texas speed to the tune of 43 yds. He is mostly a blocker but can sting an opponent. Brennen Blakemore could start as receiver on your team and would likely be #1 option. Hunter Burttschell is a very good receiver with long strides and deceptive speed. I would stack the LB's up against any unit in state. It is possible you have edge in O-line. They have some great accomplishments. However, the Wimberley front 7 to 8 have flat out been very, very good. That group has held 2 of the best RB's in the state in Sadler and Gilbert somewhat in check. 10 points and 14 points respectively. The D-line is quick and agile in the starters with a couple of bigger bodies that rotate in. Texans coaching schemes are gooood. While our offensive line only returned one starter and have been a work in progress all year, they have been performing better and better over last 4 games. I did not expect them to be able to hold off a very athletic Coldspring front but lo and behold they did enough to win. I did not see a ton on the Gilmner game film that overwhelmed me in regards to Argyle defensive line. I admit, I am handicapped by only having that game to try and make assessments. Still 35 points is 35 points.

You say the key is getting through line to pressure QB. I noticed when Gilmer got pressure up middle the throws did not come out so good even though he did not get sacked. How did Carthage get it to overtime. They did not sack him. How did Prosper win by 3 scores? Did they get to him? He was not sacked in that game either. For the record, the Texans are better than average at pressuring QB but I will admit the Argyle record of only 1 sack speaks for itself. I have seen some teams slow Blakemore down a little but it cost them in other areas. He flat out manned up against really good DB's last week. I would guess your DB's are not as good as those guys but I do not really know. I can tell that they are a scrappy, scrappy well coached bunch. Of course I could be wrong on what I saw in Gilmer game film and Gilmer definitely had some receivers that were a hand full.

It seems like you are kinda saying either Austin Aune is going to pass the ball all over the place or he is going to run the ball all over the place and that will simply put be that. Well he is a baller to be sure. We will see.

I don't know where to start on this so I'll just dive in.

Blakemore does look like a good player. Ian Sadler is a great young player (sophomore) and Chadd Bossow made the all-state team so I don't see how you can just say that you receiver would be the #1 guy on our team.

In the Carthage game, Argyle got behind 21-3 about 8 minutes into the first quarter because of turnovers and then fought back to win the game. It should have ended in regulation but Cole Hedlund missed a 43 yarder (no he isn't perfect; yes he is good).

You got me on the first Prosper game. Prosper came in to our stadium and whooped us. Not sure what happened there. Ever since then, this team has been on a roll. The pressure of going undefeated was off; although I'm sure they would rather be undefeated as Wimberley is.

Holding 2 of the 4 3A running backs down is pretty impressive. Argyle is not a running team though. Our pass opens up the run. Eveleth usually ends up with 100+ yards but it is quiet.

Your key to beating Argyle IS getting through to Austin Aune.

[Sportshack]

LOL "Poor man's Brennen Blakemore." Sadler is a sophomore and he is going to tear you up on Friday - doesn't mean that Argyle will win but he will get his. Wait 'til this kid is a senior. He'll be a first-team all stater. Was Blakemore an all-stater? Second team? Honorable mention? Nope.

Rumor is that Ian Sadler may be the Argyle QB next year. He was a QB prior to receiver.

Ha...I said Sadler was gooooood. I agree he will be awesome his senior year. I know very well that he will get his. Brennen Blakemore suffered liver, spleen and kidney injuries in a scrimmage in his junior year. He was told to quit playing. He missed first 8 games and rejoined team for last 2 games. Got to play 7 games and was a beast even in semi final loss. He missed 3.5 games this year to to torn pec but is back and again tearing it up. He had great numbers through first 6.5 games. He will be all state when coaches release their picks. He simply did not get enough opportunities his junior year. That is why you say we are overmatched! You are not appreciating what we are telling you about some of these players. You think it is hyperbole but it really is not. Dennis Smith is another freakish athlete. No freakin' joke. I have great respect for your playmakers..for real...my purpose was to further explain that people are somewhat underestimating these Texans players. Not really you, but recall, I was responding to a post where an argyle fan was being rather dismissive. All in good fun. If you could see the plays this kid made in the Gonzales game and the Coldspring game in particular you would get it. Amazing big boy stuff against 2 very, very good defenses. Now I am already an Ian Sadler fan, so to speak, and it is because I saw him do some stuff in the Gilmer game that reminded me of Brennen Blakemore. My comment above was meant to stir it up a little but in my mind calling him a poor man's Brennen Blakemore is a compliment. I agree Sadler will get his.

[Sportshack]

I NEVER said that your kicking game "stinks." I simply said that Argyle has the clear advantage here.

No doubt about it. They know it.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Ha...I said Sadler was gooooood. I agree he will be awesome his senior year. I know very well that he will get his. Brennen Blakemore suffered liver, spleen and kidney injuries in a scrimmage in his junior year. He was told to quit playing. He missed first 8 games and rejoined team for last 2 games. Got to play 7 games and was a beast even in semi final loss. He missed 3.5 games this year to to torn pec but is back and again tearing it up. He had great numbers through first 6.5 games. He will be all state when coaches release their picks. He simply did not get enough opportunities his junior year. That is why you say we are overmatched! You are not appreciating what we are telling you about some of these players. You think it is hyperbole but it really is not. Dennis Smith is another freakish athlete. No freakin' joke. I have great respect for your playmakers..for real...my purpose was to further explain that people are somewhat underestimating these Texans players. Not really you, but recall, I was responding to a post where an argyle fan was being rather dismissive. All in good fun. If you could see the plays this kid made in the Gonzales game and the Coldspring game in particular you would get it. Amazing big boy stuff against 2 very, very good defenses. Now I am already an Ian Sadler fan, so to speak, and it is because I saw him do some stuff in the Gilmer game that reminded me of Brennen Blakemore. My comment above was meant to stir it up a little but in my mind calling him a poor man's Brennen Blakemore is a compliment. I agree Sadler will get his.

I was not aware of his injuries. I commend him for fighting back from all of those injuries. and being a major contributor in ALL 3 PHASES of the game.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Ha...I said Sadler was gooooood. I agree he will be awesome his senior year. I know very well that he will get his. Brennen Blakemore suffered liver, spleen and kidney injuries in a scrimmage in his junior year. He was told to quit playing. He missed first 8 games and rejoined team for last 2 games. Got to play 7 games and was a beast even in semi final loss. He missed 3.5 games this year to to torn pec but is back and again tearing it up. He had great numbers through first 6.5 games. He will be all state when coaches release their picks. He simply did not get enough opportunities his junior year. That is why you say we are overmatched! You are not appreciating what we are telling you about some of these players. You think it is hyperbole but it really is not. Dennis Smith is another freakish athlete. No freakin' joke. I have great respect for your playmakers..for real...my purpose was to further explain that people are somewhat underestimating these Texans players. Not really you, but recall, I was responding to a post where an argyle fan was being rather dismissive. All in good fun. If you could see the plays this kid made in the Gonzales game and the Coldspring game in particular you would get it. Amazing big boy stuff against 2 very, very good defenses. Now I am already an Ian Sadler fan, so to speak, and it is because I saw him do some stuff in the Gilmer game that reminded me of Brennen Blakemore. My comment above was meant to stir it up a little but in my mind calling him a poor man's Brennen Blakemore is a compliment. I agree Sadler will get his.

I would like to watch game film of Wimberley like you guys are doing on Argyle. Where can I find such film?

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Post 100! I get to vote ;)

[YTBulldogs]

Post 100! I get to vote ;)

wahoooooooooooo, you did it. Congrats.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

wahoooooooooooo, you did it. Congrats.

It still won't let me :(

[YTBulldogs]

send sinton66 a PM ADK. He can fix ya up.

[Sportshack]

I don't know where to start on this so I'll just dive in.

Blakemore does look like a good player. Ian Sadler is a great young player (sophomore) and Chadd Bossow made the all-state team so I don't see how you can just say that you receiver would be the #1 guy on our team.

In the Carthage game, Argyle got behind 21-3 about 8 minutes into the first quarter because of turnovers and then fought back to win the game. It should have ended in regulation but Cole Hedlund missed a 43 yarder (no he isn't perfect; yes he is good).

You got me on the first Prosper game. Prosper came in to our stadium and whooped us. Not sure what happened there. Ever since then, this team has been on a roll. The pressure of going undefeated was off; although I'm sure they would rather be undefeated as Wimberley is.

Holding 2 of the 4 3A running backs down is pretty impressive. Argyle is not a running team though. Our pass opens up the run. Eveleth usually ends up with 100+ yards but it is quiet.

Your key to beating Argyle IS getting through to Austin Aune.

So my questions remain...did Carthage or Prosper get through to Austin Aune? He was not sacked in either game. And by the way...I am very impressed that Argyle game back and defeated Prosper when it counted. That is clearly a big deal.

[Tejastrue]

It still won't let me :(

Maybe it's because there are too many region 4 supporters here. :wave:

[Sportshack]

I would like to watch game film of Wimberley like you guys are doing on Argyle. Where can I find such film?

We need that Gilmer guy to post some of our games. LOL. I have not seen any such film on Wimberley. It was really cool to be able to watch play by play of y'all's Gilmer game. The same guy posted the Henderson v Gilmer game and yep I watched that too. What can I say I am a fan and like to watch replays. I remember thinking as I watched the Henderson v Gilmer game... "man, we can play with these guys." of course, I am not on the team. LOL. All there is on you tube is some players highlight stuff that I posted earlier and none of that is from this year.

[Tejastrue]

I really don't understand why you say that we're saying that y'all aren't in the same league. Wimberley is undefeated and just beat a great Coldspring team who lost in the state championship game last year. All we are saying is that you haven't had to beat as good of teams as we have overall. It is the Wimberley people who came in here talking about them being the underdogs. And fine, if you want to assume that role.


Sometimes us little old hill country bumpkins from Wimperly (as you guys call us) will occasionally browse elsewhere to see what those from the dark side have to say and I can conclude, that for the most part, you guys are indeed taking us lightly. lol...

[ADKargyleTCU12]

send sinton66 a PM ADK. He can fix ya up.

Will do, thanks!

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Sometimes us little old hill country bumpkins from Wimperly (as you guys call us) will occasionally browse elsewhere to see what those from the dark side have to say and I can conclude, that for the most part, you guys are indeed taking us lightly. lol...

If you were a member and consistent contributor to that board, you would know that "jackpots," the guy that keeps calling y'all that, is from Carthage or Gilmer - I can't remember which. He is an East Texas guy.

[lbjacj]

I would like to watch game film of Wimberley like you guys are doing on Argyle. Where can I find such film?

Here's Highlights from our game with previously unbeaten Gonzalez. Blakemore is #2 Smith #5 Wilson #33 QB Lambert #19. Check out Blakemores screen pass at the end of first half!
http://www.kvue.com/sports/friday-football-fever/Sonic-Blast-Wimberley-vs-Gonzales-134134573.html

Here's some of the Sweeny game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEZ1IE2asVs&feature=related

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Here's Highlights from our game with previously unbeaten Gonzalez. Blakemore is #2 Smith #5 Wilson #33 QB Lambert #19. Check out Blakemores screen pass at the end of first half!
http://www.kvue.com/sports/friday-football-fever/Sonic-Blast-Wimberley-vs-Gonzales-134134573.html

Here's some of the Sweeny game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEZ1IE2asVs&feature=related

Thanks!

That red turf is disgusting.

I'd like to see a full game though, highlights can be cut to show nice plays. I will watch them, nonetheless.

[Tejastrue]

If you were a member and consistent contributor to that board, you would know that "jackpots," the guy that keeps calling y'all that, is from Carthage or Gilmer - I can't remember which. He is an East Texas guy.

Fortunately, I am not.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Here's Highlights from our game with previously unbeaten Gonzalez. Blakemore is #2 Smith #5 Wilson #33 QB Lambert #19. Check out Blakemores screen pass at the end of first half!
http://www.kvue.com/sports/friday-football-fever/Sonic-Blast-Wimberley-vs-Gonzales-134134573.html

Here's some of the Sweeny game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEZ1IE2asVs&feature=related

That sports anchor was the worst! That screen play was impressive. Great blocking and running.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Fortunately, I am not.

He is just talking. There aren't any Wimberley posters on there anyway, that's why I came here. Please know that we are not taking you lightly like he is.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Where is this Blakemore kid going to play college ball? Or have there been too many injuries. He is worth a shot by a D1 school somewhere. I'd love to have him out with the Frogs in Fort Worth.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Here's some of the Sweeny game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEZ1IE2asVs&feature=related

Me spies the Sweeny defense making lots of plays. :clap: The Argyle defense is better? Methinks so

[Tejastrue]

Me spies the Sweeny defense making lots of plays. :clap: The Argyle defense is better? Methinks so


Probably our worst game of the year on offense yet we had over 300 yds and held Sweeny to about 100 total yds.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Probably our worst game of the year on offense yet we had over 300 yds and held Sweeny to about 100 total yds.

Sweeny was 7-4, congrats...

[Trojanswin]

I have a feeling that Wimberley is going to pull this one out.
If their game plan for Argyle is as good as it was against Coldspring and the Quarterback keeps playing smart and making accurate throws like he did against us they will be hard to beat.
Congratulations to both teams and enjoy the game. Win or lose, this game will be remembered by both teams for a long time.

[ogg]

Here's Highlights from our game with previously unbeaten Gonzalez. Blakemore is #2 Smith #5 Wilson #33 QB Lambert #19. Check out Blakemores screen pass at the end of first half!
http://www.kvue.com/sports/friday-football-fever/Sonic-Blast-Wimberley-vs-Gonzales-134134573.html

Here's some of the Sweeny game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEZ1IE2asVs&feature=related

Thanks, love the clips.

Our boys keep getting better each week, they get it; know the Nelms/coaches system. The Texans have a very large toolbox to use on opponents, filled with college level plays, playmakers at virtually every position, great coaches. Ha, for the Texans O there’s a fine line between 4th and 1 and 4th and 11, very explosive team. The Texan “Red Wreckers” D ---one of the, if not the best high school defense I’ve seen, especially the last three games. Note: D-train can be a game changer.

[Tejastrue]

I have a feeling that Wimberley is going to pull this one out.
If their game plan for Argyle is as good as it was against Coldspring and the Quarterback keeps playing smart and making accurate throws like he did against us they will be hard to beat.
Congratulations to both teams and enjoy the game. Win or lose, this game will be remembered by both teams for a long time.

Appreciate you saying that TW. That means a lot. I hope our QB has one more game like that left in him. I second your congrats and comments.

[Sportshack]

Sweeny was 7-4, congrats...

Tru dat...LOL....but Gonzales, Devine, and Coldspring were a combined 40-0...when they played the Texans of course....just saying!!!! :)

[Sportshack]

Where is this Blakemore kid going to play college ball? Or have there been too many injuries. He is worth a shot by a D1 school somewhere. I'd love to have him out with the Frogs in Fort Worth.

I am sure that he would love that as well! Wake Forest has shown some interest. But you know how that can go. Not sure what is going on. But...yes...the injuries were tough and playing for a small hill country school probably has not helped. Hopefully, the playoff run will get him on some radars.

[Tejastrue]

Sweeny was 7-4, congrats...


Such subtlety. Yes, and Taylor was 3-7. Nobody here trying to hide from these facts.

[Sportshack]

Sweeny was 7-4, congrats...

Oh Wimberley can definitely play down to its competition to be sure. I realize that you are not used to that concept as your team has been so proficient on offense over last 10 games. I guess the Monahans game is sort of comparable. You won the game convincingly on the scoreboard but by your account it was kind of a blah game. The Texans had various flat games against teams they "knew" they could beat. They would then bounce back (fortunately not from a loss) and play like world beaters against perceived tougher opponents. Beat a 6-0 Canyon Lake team 50-14, a 11-0 Gonzales team 40-14, a 14-0 Devine Team 38-12, and a 15-0 Coldspring team 21-14. They have not had to be world beaters in every game and I am hoping and betting you see their best efforts on Friday. They clearly will need to do so to win and even then it might not be enough...then again...it might. I recall Pearland beating Euless-Trinity and all their D-1 talent last year in a pretty impressive upset. It happens.

[HSFB]

You can't hold Argyle to 14 points - try again.

Yes and well said as Argyle has a VERY good kicker so tack 3 more on to that.

Wimberley 35 Argyle 17

And as Ricky Bobby would say "with all due respect"

[wimbo_pro]

Sweeny was 7-4, congrats...

And your 14-1...you're welcome!!! LOL

[ogg]

http://www.statesman.com/sports/highschool/hsfootball/wimberley-defense-eyes-glory-of-2005-team-2032968.html

[waterboy]

First, it's all I have to go on (scores and such), looking at the stats. But somewhere in those scores/stats is a clue...not sure I have hit on it, but its there. Also, your comment about Argyle scoring with less than 2 mins in the game actually SUPPORTS my position that weaker teams can (and have) competed with Argyle, even up till the end. As far as Argyle being "big, fast and physical.."...tell me something we didn't know, or better yet...tell me something we haven't faced our entire play off history. The roads in Wimberley are paved with the white-washed bones of play-off opponents that were "big, fast and physical". Methinks you underestimate Wimberley.
"Weaker" teams??!! Now you're saying Gilmer, Carthage, and Prosper were weak??!! Sorry, but Argyle has most definitely had the tougher road to get to the championship. You "might" want to rethink that position. Believe me when I tell you this, Wimberley will bring absolutely nothing to this game that Argyle hasn't already seen,.......unless of course a couple of trick plays......

I know absolutely nothing about Wimberley except that they will most definitely have their hands FULL playing Argyle. I don't even "know" who will win, so that blows the "underestimating Wimberley" theory out of the water, but my edumucated guess is that Argyle will win. Not trying to offend any of the Texan fans, that's just the way "I" see it.

[MGAR]

"Weaker" teams??!! Now you're saying Gilmer, Carthage, and Prosper were weak??!! Sorry, but Argyle has most definitely had the tougher road to get to the championship. You "might" want to rethink that position. Believe me when I tell you this, Wimberley will bring absolutely nothing to this game that Argyle hasn't already seen,.......unless of course a couple of trick plays......

I know absolutely nothing about Wimberley except that they will most definitely have their hands FULL playing Argyle. I don't even "know" who will win, so that blows the "underestimating Wimberley" theory out of the water, but my edumucated guess is that Argyle will win. Not trying to offend any of the Texan fans, that's just the way "I" see it.

I agree.. Maybe he was talking about Commerce being weak..

[mike_angler]

"Weaker" teams??!! Now you're saying Gilmer, Carthage, and Prosper were weak??!! Sorry, but Argyle has most definitely had the tougher road to get to the championship. You "might" want to rethink that position. Believe me when I tell you this, Wimberley will bring absolutely nothing to this game that Argyle hasn't already seen,.......unless of course a couple of trick plays......

I know absolutely nothing about Wimberley except that they will most definitely have their hands FULL playing Argyle. I don't even "know" who will win, so that blows the "underestimating Wimberley" theory out of the water, but my edumucated guess is that Argyle will win. Not trying to offend any of the Texan fans, that's just the way "I" see it.

I agree with most of your post saying that Argyle played very tough playoff opponents, but Wimberley wasn't playing 1A teams in the playoffs either. I also respect the fact that you are sticking to your post in a previous thread that stated that the winner of the Gilmer vs Argyle game would win state. I told a buddy of mine who is on the sidelines for Carthage that the winner of the Carthage vs Argyle game would be who Wimberley would play at the state championship. No disrespect to Gilmer, but I didn't think you could beat Carthage on a neutral field without your original starting QB. I also didn't think that they would defeat Argyle either. I also think the playoffs have shown that the teams from 16-3A were not as good this year as they were last year. Now Argyle could just be that much better than everyone else, but I will have to see it to believe it.

After watching game film only, no recent personal experience with Argyle. I think they are very similar in style and talent to Dripping Springs. I'm not saying the score will be anywhere near the same as that game, but I think Wimberley will surprise a lot of people who don't know anymore about the team other than where Google maps says they are located.

[Sportshack]

"Weaker" teams??!! Now you're saying Gilmer, Carthage, and Prosper were weak??!! Sorry, but Argyle has most definitely had the tougher road to get to the championship. You "might" want to rethink that position. Believe me when I tell you this, Wimberley will bring absolutely nothing to this game that Argyle hasn't already seen,.......unless of course a couple of trick plays......

I know absolutely nothing about Wimberley except that they will most definitely have their hands FULL playing Argyle. I don't even "know" who will win, so that blows the "underestimating Wimberley" theory out of the water, but my edumucated guess is that Argyle will win. Not trying to offend any of the Texan fans, that's just the way "I" see it.

Oh...I think he was referring strictly to stats and ratings of the various defenses and offenses involved and pointing out that strictly on paper...teams that have a simiar or weaker statisitcal rating in either the defensive or offensive rating categories per Massey or some such outfit than Wimberley played well against Argyle. I would be shocked if his intent was to suggest that either of those teams were weaker than Wimberley just off the cuff. Read his original post and you will see he was just talking numbers and acknowledged as much .

[mike_angler]

LOL "Poor man's Brennen Blakemore." Sadler is a sophomore and he is going to tear you up on Friday - doesn't mean that Argyle will win but he will get his. Wait 'til this kid is a senior. He'll be a first-team all stater. Was Blakemore an all-stater? Second team? Honorable mention? Nope.

Rumor is that Ian Sadler may be the Argyle QB next year. He was a QB prior to receiver.

I don't remember Tyler Chapel Hill having anyone on the All State list either. Maybe, just maybe the AP voters for high school are the same people who vote for the BCS.

if you look through the All State list you will see a number of all state players on the teams that Wimberley has beaten in the playoffs. I'm almost positive that those players would trade the individual honors for the opportunity to play for the State Championship.

[MajorApplehorn]

I agree with most of your post saying that Argyle played very tough playoff opponents, but Wimberley wasn't playing 1A teams in the playoffs either. I also respect the fact that you are sticking to your post in a previous thread that stated that the winner of the Gilmer vs Argyle game would win state. I told a buddy of mine who is on the sidelines for Carthage that the winner of the Carthage vs Argyle game would be who Wimberley would play at the state championship. No disrespect to Gilmer, but I didn't think you could beat Carthage on a neutral field without your original starting QB. I also didn't think that they would defeat Argyle either. I also think the playoffs have shown that the teams from 16-3A were not as good this year as they were last year. Now Argyle could just be that much better than everyone else, but I will have to see it to believe it.

After watching game film only, no recent personal experience with Argyle. I think they are very similar in style and talent to Dripping Springs. I'm not saying the score will be anywhere near the same as that game, but I think Wimberley will surprise a lot of people who don't know anymore about the team other than where Google maps says they are located.

Two things:

1. 16AAA is as good this year as they were last year. You do realize they have had state champions the last several years come from their district alone, right? They have lost 4 games in the playoff in the last two years. Guess who 3 of those 4 losses came to--Argyle. Region 2 is STRONG!!

2. Dripping Springs is NO Argyle! I guarantee you that. I saw your Dripping Springs game. With all due respect to them, they are terrible.

[MajorApplehorn]

Sadler is goooood. I saw the Gilmer game film and some other highlight clips. Sort of a poor man's Brennen Blakemore. And wait until them DB's see Dennis Smith bearing down on them...oy!!!!

We can compare after the game and see who is better...

[ronwx5x]

Two things:

They have lost 4 games in the playoff in the last two years. Guess who 3 of those 4 losses came to--Argyle. Region 2 is STRONG!!



How does a team lose 4 playoff games in two years? :crazy:

[MajorApplehorn]

How does a team lose 4 playoff games in two years? :crazy:

The same way a person cannot read an entire post correctly ;)

[Sportshack]

Two things:

1. 16AAA is as good this year as they were last year. You do realize they have had state champions the last several years come from their district alone, right? They have lost 4 games in the playoff in the last two years. Guess who 3 of those 4 losses came to--Argyle. Region 2 is STRONG!!

2. Dripping Springs is NO Argyle! I guarantee you that. I saw your Dripping Springs game. With all due respect to them, they are terrible.

Yeah...I would not use Dripping as a measuring stick. They could not run the ball, could pass the ball, and were seemingly not strong in secondary. I was really surprised that their only other losses were to Lake Travis and Cedar Park and that they got 3 rounds deep in 4A DII playoffs narrowly losing to Calallen.

I thought that Gilmer looked like a good team and I have heard good things about Carthage. Obviously a great program over last several years. Argyle is legit and everyone knows it.

Obviously he is saying that you did not play the same caliber Carthage team that beat you by 17 last year. Or do you think you did and your team is just head and shoulders better? Gilmer played you better this year. So perhaps they had a stronger team this year. Maybe that is what you mean by those teams are just as good this year. Henderson also got clocked cleaned this year in playoffs. I guess they were all just as good but ran into some better teams by luck of the proverbial draw. I would not argue that Argyle does not have an impressive resume in any event.

[wimbo_pro]

"Weaker" teams??!! Now you're saying Gilmer, Carthage, and Prosper were weak??!! Sorry, but Argyle has most definitely had the tougher road to get to the championship. You "might" want to rethink that position. Believe me when I tell you this, Wimberley will bring absolutely nothing to this game that Argyle hasn't already seen,.......unless of course a couple of trick plays......

I know absolutely nothing about Wimberley except that they will most definitely have their hands FULL playing Argyle. I don't even "know" who will win, so that blows the "underestimating Wimberley" theory out of the water, but my edumucated guess is that Argyle will win. Not trying to offend any of the Texan fans, that's just the way "I" see it.

No, you misunderstand. I meant "weaker teams" as they relate to Argyle. Not commenting on whether or not those teams were "weak" as it relates to us, except as the stats line up, which I included my source in my post. I think it can be said (at this point in the play offs) that we can be considered as good as Gilmer, Prosper, Carthage and Commerce....if not better.

[Sportshack]

We can compare after the game and see who is better...

Tru...big talk don't mean DOODLEY SQUAT...from either side!!!

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Tru dat...LOL....but Gonzales, Devine, and Coldspring were a combined 40-0...when they played the Texans of course....just saying!!!! :)

VERY, very, very impressive. Seriously.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

How does a team lose 4 playoff games in two years? :crazy:

The whole region buddy. Re-read the post.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

No, you misunderstand. I meant "weaker teams" as they relate to Argyle. Not commenting on whether or not those teams were "weak" as it relates to us, except as the stats line up, which I included my source in my post. I think it can be said (at this point in the play offs) that we can be considered as good as Gilmer, Prosper, Carthage and Commerce....if not better.

Ohh boy, don't include "Commerce" in that class... Commerce was a cake walk. We could have beaten them with our JV team.

[MajorApplehorn]

Yeah...I would not use Dripping as a measuring stick. They could not run the ball, could pass the ball, and were seemingly not strong in secondary. I was really surprised that their only other losses were to Lake Travis and Cedar Park and that they got 3 rounds deep in 4A DII playoffs narrowly losing to Calallen.

I thought that Gilmer looked like a good team and I have heard good things about Carthage. Obviously a great program over last several years. Argyle is legit and everyone knows it.

Obviously he is saying that you did not play the same caliber Carthage team that beat you by 17 last year. Or do you think you did and your team is just head and shoulders better? Gilmer played you better this year. So perhaps they had a stronger team this year. Maybe that is what you mean by those teams are just as good this year. Henderson also got clocked cleaned this year in playoffs. I guess they were all just as good but ran into some better teams by luck of the proverbial draw. I would not argue that Argyle does not have an impressive resume in any event.

1. Argyle is not "my team." I would be talking about what Prosper has to beat Wimberley had they beat Argyle.

2. I did not say any individual team was as good. I said 16AAA is as good as last year. Argyle is better.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Here a highlight real of another Argyle receiver, Adam Khan, who hasn't gotten much love on here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSuaAMeuegA

Check him out!

[waterboy]

Oh...I think he was referring strictly to stats and ratings of the various defenses and offenses involved and pointing out that strictly on paper...teams that have a simiar or weaker statisitcal rating in either the defensive or offensive rating categories per Massey or some such outfit than Wimberley played well against Argyle. I would be shocked if his intent was to suggest that either of those teams were weaker than Wimberley just off the cuff. Read his original post and you will see he was just talking numbers and acknowledged as much .
Thanks for clearing that up, and it makes more sense than what I originally read into his post, BUT statistics are always going to be skewed because of the difference in the level of play of teams in specific regions. Region 2 has traditionally been the strongest region over the past several years. As a matter of fact, 5 out of the last 6 state champions came from one district. When you put teams like Gilmer, Carthage, Henderson, and Pittsburg in the same district, plus the fact that Carthage and Gilmer had tough pre-district games, those statistics don't really mean much.

Wimberley may well have a better team, I can't be sure of that, but I will tell you I know Argyle is very good. It'll take a near perfect game plan to beat them. Good luck with that. I said it after the Argyle / Gilmer game that the Eagles would be the next state champions, and I still think that. That doesn't mean Wimberley doesn't have a chance, but it'll be a tall order for them. I've been wrong before.....

[waterboy]

No, you misunderstand. I meant "weaker teams" as they relate to Argyle. Not commenting on whether or not those teams were "weak" as it relates to us, except as the stats line up, which I included my source in my post. I think it can be said (at this point in the play offs) that we can be considered as good as Gilmer, Prosper, Carthage and Commerce....if not better.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Don't worry, Wimberley will get their chance to prove they are good as the other Region 2 teams that Argyle beat. For your sake, they need to be a little better than those teams to beat Argyle. Good luck, and may the best team win!

[ADKargyleTCU12]

An article on ESPNDallas.com about the game:
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/high-school/post/_/id/9892/argyle-wimberley-vie-for-3a-dii-state-crown

[wimbo_pro]

Ohh boy, don't include "Commerce" in that class... Commerce was a cake walk. We could have beaten them with our JV team.

Duly noted.

[wimbo_pro]

they need to be a little better than those teams to beat Argyle.

Agreed!!!

[wimbo_pro]

I think its pretty clear that whichever team gets better tomorrow will win. Thats always been the key. We are so closely matched and we offset each others strengths with other strengths in other areas, that its a wash, IMO.

Our defense has definitely gotten better in the last few weeks. Our offense has struggled at times, but found ways to close the deal. If our defense gets better again tomorrow, and then our offense gets better as well (and stays better for 4 quarters), we WILL win this game.

I like our chances.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

I think its pretty clear that whichever team gets better tomorrow will win. Thats always been the key. We are so closely matched and we offset each others strengths with other strengths in other areas, that its a wash, IMO.

Our defense has definitely gotten better in the last few weeks. Our offense has struggled at times, but found ways to close the deal. If our defense gets better again tomorrow, and then our offense gets better as well (and stays better for 4 quarters), we WILL win this game.

I like our chances.

No. If you get to Austin Aune, you will win. You will have to sack him a couple times and get him to throw a couple picks. If you do not, we will score 30+ points and win.

[mike_angler]

Two things:

1. 16AAA is as good this year as they were last year. You do realize they have had state champions the last several years come from their district alone, right? They have lost 4 games in the playoff in the last two years. Guess who 3 of those 4 losses came to--Argyle. Region 2 is STRONG!!

2. Dripping Springs is NO Argyle! I guarantee you that. I saw your Dripping Springs game. With all due respect to them, they are terrible.

1. Considering that I lived and worked outside of Carthage for many years prior to this summer I know very well what the teams from that district have accomplished. That's precisely why I said that Carthage with their 9 starting Sophmores was not as good as last years senior laden team. Gilmer was better this year when their star qb was still playing, and I would be willing to go out on limb and say that Wimberley would be playing Gilmer if he hadn't been hurt during the Carthage game. Henderson who was the 3rd place team was not as good as last year and that showed when they got blown out by Carthage, Gilmer, and Alvarado.

2. Dripping Springs got much better after the Wimberley game and that is why they only lost by 7 in the 3rd round of the 4A playoffs. I didn't mean to imply that they were as good as Argyle only that they were similar in the passing game with plenty of talent on both sides of the ball. I even noted that I didn't think the result would be so lopsided.

The North Texas people seem to think as highly of Wimberley as they did of Carthage when they played Celina for state. Lots of predictions of 30 plus point wins for the metroplex based team. I've noticed more of those predictions elsewhere, but I've only seen one on here.

[rb585]

Idiot Ric Renner (pardon the redundancy) just said that Wimberley will be playing in their first state championship game.

[rb585]

After careful analysis of all of the data...stats, film, 2nd hand information...I have come to the inevitable conclusion that Argyle has the better place kicker. :ack!:

I think your analysis has failed to consider Wimberley's excellent FG defense. Sure, we don't block many kicks, but our kids do an outstanding job of waving their hands and shouting clever stuff before the snap to disrupt the center, holder, and/or kicker.

I don't think Argyle has seen a FG defense this good all season. I predict that it will neutralize Hedlund, and Wimberley will win 28-27 thanks to a shanked extra point.

[wimbo_pro]

I think your analysis has failed to consider Wimberley's excellent FG defense. Sure, we don't block many kicks, but our kids do an outstanding job of waving their hands and shouting clever stuff before the snap to disrupt the center, holder, and/or kicker.

I don't think Argyle has seen a FG defense this good all season. I predict that it will neutralize Hedlund, and Wimberley will win 28-27 thanks to a shanked extra point.

LOL!! He said "shanked"!!!!!

[Txbroadcaster]

1. Argyle is not "my team." I would be talking about what Prosper has to beat Wimberley had they beat Argyle.

2. I did not say any individual team was as good. I said 16AAA is as good as last year. Argyle is better.


I dont think 16AAA was better this year...they were not far off, but as a whole last year IMO the big 3 were better overall...Gilmer was the only team IMO that was better this year than last year

[wimbo_pro]

I dont think 16AAA was better this year...they were not far off, but as a whole last year IMO the big 3 were better overall...Gilmer was the only team IMO that was better this year than last year

So, TXB...as we are one day away...do you think Wimberley can/will win this game? I'm sure you have mentioned it before, but would like to start a conversation with you about it here. G2???

[Cam]

Good luck to both teams! Safe travels to all. I gotta root for the Texans cause they're close to home. Hope asst. coach Cockerham gets his ring!

[waterboy]

I dont think 16AAA was better this year...they were not far off, but as a whole last year IMO the big 3 were better overall...Gilmer was the only team IMO that was better this year than last year
I can definitely agree with these statements. All three were still very good teams this year, but Gilmer was probably the only one out of the three that was much improved. They just had some major adversity to overcome, and couldn't quite get past it.

[Sportshack]

1. Argyle is not "my team." I would be talking about what Prosper has to beat Wimberley had they beat Argyle.

2. I did not say any individual team was as good. I said 16AAA is as good as last year. Argyle is better.

OK...OK...so now Prosper would be playing for SC if they could have beaten Argyle...I feel you. Just curious...how did Prosper beat Argyle earlier in season? ADK says key to winning against them is getting pressure on QB. This thread also indicates only one sack in Gilmer game which means y'all did not get one. HOw did Prosper control game because that was a solid victory and obviously out of character for Argyle.

[Gone Fishing]

[QUOTE=YTBulldogs;1651056]I don't see WT changing much from what they had to do last week IMO. Argyle is fast like CS. Let the runners get the corner successfully on you repeatedly, Argyle wins. Have to force them back into the Texan LB'ers, who to me is the backbone of the Texan "D". Argyle will try to cut the LB'ers more then any team WT has faced IMO. I see them almost bypassing the DL on sweeps to make sure they get to the LB'ers. Control the LB'ers, you hamper the Texans.

The successful runs will open up Argyle to throw. I like WT secondary though in matchup's versus the pass. Smart and fast for bigger than normal secondary guys. The safeties good at baiting a QB in thinking he has a receiver open. Key will be, can you pressure Aune and make tackles on him and not let him slip away. Dangerous on the move from clips I seen.


Thanks, YT. I agree with you on our secondary. They have been amazing against the run during the playoffs and very very few pass yards against them also. They are bigger/taller than most DB's but all run 4.7 or better. They are the best in four years on pass yards given up. It goes unnoticed for sure, except by people that know the game like you. People like to remember the one pass caught, but forget about the 20 before that were incomplete. It will be fun to see how they perform against a true great passing game. What will help us, I believe, is the pressure the qb will get.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

[QUOTE=YTBulldogs;1651056]I don't see WT changing much from what they had to do last week IMO. Argyle is fast like CS. Let the runners get the corner successfully on you repeatedly, Argyle wins. Have to force them back into the Texan LB'ers, who to me is the backbone of the Texan "D". Argyle will try to cut the LB'ers more then any team WT has faced IMO. I see them almost bypassing the DL on sweeps to make sure they get to the LB'ers. Control the LB'ers, you hamper the Texans.

The successful runs will open up Argyle to throw. I like WT secondary though in matchup's versus the pass. Smart and fast for bigger than normal secondary guys. The safeties good at baiting a QB in thinking he has a receiver open. Key will be, can you pressure Aune and make tackles on him and not let him slip away. Dangerous on the move from clips I seen.


Thanks, YT. I agree with you on our secondary. They have been amazing against the run during the playoffs and very very few pass yards against them also. They are bigger/taller than most DB's but all run 4.7 or better. They are the best in four years on pass yards given up. It goes unnoticed for sure, except by people that know the game like you. People like to remember the one pass caught, but forget about the 20 before that were incomplete. It will be fun to see how they perform against a true great passing game. What will help us, I believe, is the pressure the qb will get.

Good luck getting through to him. Our O-Line is massive. If your boys are going to try to get through, they should go through our right side. Going through first-team all-state and Texas Tech commit, Trey Keenan is impossible.

[Gone Fishing]

I'm the resident pessimist -- I picked us to lose to Gonzales, although I did condition it on Blakemore not playing -- but yeah, I think our secondary is going to have a lot of trouble. We're really missing Josh Gray. Argyle 45-35.

[QUOTE=rb585;1651065]Wow, I don't agree with you at all here. I guess we'll be playing the two safety formation this week, so if that 2nd safety is Blakemore, you may be right...


RB, everyone can have their opinion on 3A DL, so my opinion of your opinion is your an azzz.

[Tejastrue]

A few more predictions


http://www.ihigh.com/centralhouston/article_96932.html

[firstdown]

A few more predictions


http://www.ihigh.com/centralhouston/article_96932.html


I see a pattern, it's seems that whoever the prognosticator is closest to, is the team they pick. Much like the fans I would say. In 24 hrs we should have a clearer read on this great game. Good luck to both teams, safe travels Wimberley folks, and Go Argyle.

[Sportshack]

I see a pattern, it's seems that whoever the prognosticator is closest to, is the team they pick. Much like the fans I would say. In 24 hrs we should have a clearer read on this great game. Good luck to both teams, safe travels Wimberley folks, and Go Argyle.

Or whoever beat the team they are closest to and know is who they pick.

[rb585]

[QUOTE=rb585;1651065]Wow, I don't agree with you at all here. I guess we'll be playing the two safety formation this week, so if that 2nd safety is Blakemore, you may be right...


RB, everyone can have their opinion on 3A DL, so my opinion of your opinion is your an azzz.

Really? Why?

[rb585]

I see a pattern, it's seems that whoever the prognosticator is closest to, is the team they pick.

Apparently if you don't follow this strategy, you're an "azz."

[Sportshack]

Apparently if you don't follow this strategy, you're an "azz."

An emotional time for parents I suspect. You are all good. I suspect the coaches will shore up secondary a bit to try and slow down the Eagles awesome passing machine. Maybe some ball control type drives if the Texans can keep from scoring too fast. :stirpot: But no doubt about it...tall mountain to climb for the Texans defense. Obviously, they have been up to the challenge thus far. The real challenge is not necessarily in athleticism but in getting used to the angles and speed, etc. when you do not see it often.

[MajorApplehorn]

OK...OK...so now Prosper would be playing for SC if they could have beaten Argyle...I feel you. Just curious...how did Prosper beat Argyle earlier in season? ADK says key to winning against them is getting pressure on QB. This thread also indicates only one sack in Gilmer game which means y'all did not get one. HOw did Prosper control game because that was a solid victory and obviously out of character for Argyle.

How did Prosper beat Argyle? They were 24-0 in their last 24 regular season games, had beaten Prosper 3 times in a row, including twice last year, and it was homecoming. Kinda expected to win just cause they were playing, and thw whole team played poorly. Plus, Javelle Allen played lights out. Really woke up Argyle, it appears. Dont think that loss will be much help to Wimberley, as it was a "situational" loss.

[Duaal Rusny]

First time poster.
I have only seen Wimberley on video and they look like a good football team.
I have seen Argyle play quite a few games, and they are a good football team.
I am gonna pick Argyle by 3 even though I can't vote.
But what I really want to know, has anyone seen Cisco or Refugio? Will that game go into overtime?

[skins4life]

Welcome to 3adownlow Duaal Rusny.

[mike_angler]

I really enjoyed the pep rally tonight. I especially loved the standing ovation for the members of the armed forces when they walked onto the gym floor. There was a great turnout with a lot of electricity in the air and it's going to be an exciting game tomorrow.

[jessinargyle]

Fill the stadium? hahahahaha If every citizen in Wimberley AND Argyle went it would only fill a couple of sections.

[jessinargyle]

Not sure about Wimberley, but every team Argyle faced in the playoffs were former state champs. Carthage was a three time champ...I think the best team we played was Prosper. The entire Region was tough. Our district wasn't that tough, but everybody else was, especially the district that Carthage and Gilmer were in.


I found this video of Argyle v Gilmer quarter-final game. It is the entire game. Argyle put on a very impressive display. The Eagles probably have an advantage in that they have played some teams in playoffs that throw the ball well and Wimberley has not. Wimberley certainly has not had to defend such a passing team this year with the possible exception of Dripping Springs early on. Boerne was also a passing team and easily defended but there schemes left something to be desired. Argyle did not really run the ball that much against Gilmer and did not seemingly have much success until late in game. However, they were relentless in passing game and it does not appear that it will be easy to get pressure on QB. The Texans front 7 has been pretty good however. They are a fast athletic unit but will again be undersized in matchup. I think that the Texans have a bit better skills players overall than Gilmer (from what one can tell on one game film). However, that #8 from Gilmer was a special player. The Texans will need to click on offense this game. The Argyle offense appears to be the biggest challenge of the year for this Texans team.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TcUTMx6h4o

[MajorApplehorn]

Posted by me 11/17/2011

I think the winner of this game plays at Jerryworld for the SC. Either team should be able to beat Carthage and Gilmer. Won't be easy, but I think they are the best 2 teams in the region.

That is from the ProsperArgyle thread, so, yes, I think Prosper would have been here had they beaten Argyle.

[wimbo_pro]

Not sure about Wimberley, but every team Argyle faced in the playoffs were former state champs. Carthage was a three time champ...I think the best team we played was Prosper. The entire Region was tough. Our district wasn't that tough, but everybody else was, especially the district that Carthage and Gilmer were in.

I totally hear you about Argyles schedule...but here is my dilema, being a stats guy. Unless these people are WAY off, they show Wimberelys schedule for the year to be essentially EQUAL to Argyles schedule. How do you explain that? I can't explain it, being that all we have heard and seen and read says how tough Argyles road has been. But now,....after all said and done (minus the Big Game), and after all the stats and results are in...it turns out that Argyle has NOT had a tougher road than Wimberley.

Anyone care to explain this? I don't get it.

(P.S., these same stats shows Wimberely's defense a bit better than Argyles, and Argyles Offense a bit better than Wimberleys. If given the choice, I'd take the better defense any day).

Advantage...Wimberley 35-30
http://www.adjustedstats.com/ratings-stats/txhsfbratings.php?year=2011&class=3A

[Sportshack]

How did Prosper beat Argyle? They were 24-0 in their last 24 regular season games, had beaten Prosper 3 times in a row, including twice last year, and it was homecoming. Kinda expected to win just cause they were playing, and thw whole team played poorly. Plus, Javelle Allen played lights out. Really woke up Argyle, it appears. Dont think that loss will be much help to Wimberley, as it was a "situational" loss.

Soooo....they were flat because they expected to win and simply played poorly...did they just not pass well...was there pressure on QB...did receivers drop balls? So even though Prosper won rivalry game..you did not really think your team would win in the playoffs because Argyle was obviously so much better? So to recap...the amazing, invincible team just played bad on that night. I get it...it happens and if it happens against a very good team you can lose. Buy by 3 freaking TD's...seems crazy. Good lesson. Such a loss can flat out GALVANIZE a team to never let such a let down happen again and maybe that is what has happened.

Yeah I know...they have won 10 games in convincing fashion except for the Carthage game and the Gilmer game somewhat. And the Carthage game is impressive in the overcoming adversity category. And Gilmer is impressive because they were and are very good. That might have been the Championship game. I can tell that is what Argyle supporters believe. Maybe right. After Wimberley beat West-Orange Stark in semis in 2005 the Gainsville game was just an exercise and did not seem too much in doubt. Interestingly, the final score on that game was closer than the WO-S game and WO-S team had Deion Beasley and Earl thomas on it. Now that is some impressive speed to watch in little ol' 3A football. Football is truly a fascinating sport and playoff football even more so.

[MajorApplehorn]

I totally hear you about Argyles schedule...but here is my dilema, being a stats guy. Unless these people are WAY off, they show Wimberelys schedule for the year to be essentially EQUAL to Argyles schedule. How do you explain that? I can't explain it, being that all we have heard and seen and read says how tough Argyles road has been. But now,....after all said and done (minus the Big Game), and after all the stats and results are in...it turns out that Argyle has NOT had a tougher road than Wimberley.

Anyone care to explain this? I don't get it.

(P.S., these same stats shows Wimberely's defense a bit better than Argyles, and Argyles Offense a bit better than Wimberleys. If given the choice, I'd take the better defense any day).

Advantage...Wimberley 35-30
http://www.adjustedstats.com/ratings-stats/txhsfbratings.php?year=2011&class=3A

It's not just about stats. Sometimes it comes down to the eye test, and watching Region II teams shows you tjat it is FAR superior to the other regions. Doesn't mean Wimberley had an easy road. It just is what it is. Stats dont tell alot in this case, since Region II (mainly east Texas) plays tough opponents like Kilgore or Longview or Daingerfield all the time. Playing perrenial powerhouses like that will "hurt" your stats and record, but make you stronger in the playoffs. That is why stats lie.

[Sportshack]

I totally hear you about Argyles schedule...but here is my dilema, being a stats guy. Unless these people are WAY off, they show Wimberelys schedule for the year to be essentially EQUAL to Argyles schedule. How do you explain that? I can't explain it, being that all we have heard and seen and read says how tough Argyles road has been. But now,....after all said and done (minus the Big Game), and after all the stats and results are in...it turns out that Argyle has NOT had a tougher road than Wimberley.

Anyone care to explain this? I don't get it.


(P.S., these same stats shows Wimberely's defense a bit better than Argyles, and Argyles Offense a bit better than Wimberleys. If given the choice, I'd take the better defense any day).

Advantage...Wimberley 35-30
http://www.adjustedstats.com/ratings-stats/txhsfbratings.php?year=2011&class=3A

I am not worthy....I am not worthy!!!! :clap:

[jessinargyle]

During the regular season most of the points that were scored on Argyle were when the game was already decided and the 2cnd string was in. Not knocking the 2cnd string, but they were mostly inexperienced Sophs. Once we got into the playoffs we were facing some pretty high powered offenses.

Game Thought of the Day:

Wimberley had 12.8 points per game scored against them in the regular season. In the play offs, this increased to 14.2 points per game.
Argyle had 11.1 points per game scored against them in the regular season. In the play offs, this has more than doubled, up to 22.8 points per game.

Is this because the competition Argyle faced in the play offs was far stronger than our competition in the play offs? It is definitely true that, on the whole, Argyle's road was tougher than Wimberley's. But Wimberley's defense has gotten FAR better in the play offs. Has Argyle's?

[Sportshack]

It's not just about stats. Sometimes it comes down to the eye test, and watching Region II teams shows you tjat it is FAR superior to the other regions. Doesn't mean Wimberley had an easy road. It just is what it is. Stats dont tell alot in this case, since Region II (mainly east Texas) plays tough opponents like Kilgore or Longview or Daingerfield all the time. Playing perrenial powerhouses like that will "hurt" your stats and record, but make you stronger in the playoffs. That is why stats lie.

Good points all...figures lie and liars figure. Of course...when you do not play other teams from other regions you can never be totally sure and that is the spice of the game. I would like to hear from Sealy posters, and Cuero Posters, and Bellville posters, and West-Orange Stark posters, and Devine posters, and Gonzales posters, and Bridge City posters. Is Major right in his opinion that is folly to think that Region III or Region IV can compete with region II? May be true lately and I GUESS that gives you edge.

So tell me about the passing teams that Argyle has faced. I saw that Gilmer had a sweet offensive scheme. Is that true of all the schools Argyle has played? Have they just put down passing team after passing team this year? And I mean teams that can really pass and do so as part of their routine offensive schemes.

[Sportshack]

Posted by me 11/17/2011

I think the winner of this game plays at Jerryworld for the SC. Either team should be able to beat Carthage and Gilmer. Won't be easy, but I think they are the best 2 teams in the region.

That is from the ProsperArgyle thread, so, yes, I think Prosper would have been here had they beaten Argyle.

Now I certainly did not post such a statement...but would it surprise you to know that some posters indicated in the message board brou ha-ha leading up to the Wimberley-Coldspring game that ITHO they felt that the winner would be the State Champion. Shocking the someone would post such diatribe is it not?

[ADKargyleTCU12]

Good points all...figures lie and liars figure. Of course...when you do not play other teams from other regions you can never be totally sure and that is the spice of the game. I would like to hear from Sealy posters, and Cuero Posters, and Bellville posters, and West-Orange Stark posters, and Devine posters, and Gonzales posters, and Bridge City posters. Is Major right in his opinion that is folly to think that Region III or Region IV can compete with region II? May be true lately and I GUESS that gives you edge.

So tell me about the passing teams that Argyle has faced. I saw that Gilmer had a sweet offensive scheme. Is that true of all the schools Argyle has played? Have they just put down passing team after passing team this year? And I mean teams that can really pass and do so as part of their routine offensive schemes.

5 of the last 6 state championships have come from region 2; I think this answers your question. That doesn't mean anything if Argyle doesn't go out there and play their game but Region 2 (OVERALL) is better.

[wimbo_pro]

It's not just about stats. Sometimes it comes down to the eye test, and watching Region II teams shows you tjat it is FAR superior to the other regions. Doesn't mean Wimberley had an easy road. It just is what it is. Stats dont tell alot in this case, since Region II (mainly east Texas) plays tough opponents like Kilgore or Longview or Daingerfield all the time. Playing perrenial powerhouses like that will "hurt" your stats and record, but make you stronger in the playoffs. That is why stats lie.

I hear you...stats are for losers and all that stuff.I get it. But stats DO tell a story, and stats alone (Massey, for instance) has an 85% accuracy rate in the play offs this year. How do you explain that? The only way you CAN explain it is to say there is at least some value in stats.

So...when all we hear is that Argyle has had a FAR tougher road...but then suddenly the STATS say otherwise...what is a person to do? Throw out the stats? Ignore the opinions? Or maybe...a little of both. Which leads us to this...Argyle's road has been tough...but it wasn't NFL tough. It was, in fact, not too much tougher than Wimberleys, now that we can look back and see where everyone ended up.

I got a sneaking suspicion that Argyle's toughest game all year...BY FAR...will be tomorrow. And after watching the Gilmer game from a couple weeks ago (twice)...I predict Argyle is about to reap the whirlwind of Texan defense unlike anything they have seen. And if Argyle plays like they did in the 1st half of that Gilmer game....Wimberley wins in a blow out.

[Sportshack]

During the regular season most of the points that were scored on Argyle were when the game was already decided and the 2cnd string was in. Not knocking the 2cnd string, but they were mostly inexperienced Sophs. Once we got into the playoffs we were facing some pretty high powered offenses.

Wow no kidding...teams that are winning late allow their less talented players to play. Why didn't the Wimberley coaches think of that? Those guys should be fired! :) I will say that was not the case in the 3rd or 4th round for Argyle...those teams they played put up 34 and 35 points respectively. I know...I know...those teams had teams from other years that won state championships!!! Therefore, somehow that translates into a good defensive effort. Just torking around a bit. I know that both of those teams were really high caliber teams and that Argyle is as well. Just saying! :)

[Sportshack]

5 of the last 6 state championships have come from region 2; I think this answers your question. That doesn't mean anything if Argyle doesn't go out there and play their game but Region 2 (OVERALL) is better.

Actually my question was....other than Gilmer has Argyle beaten any true passing teams? My other question was to the Region III and Region IV posters regarding what they think about competing with Region II teams this year.

[Sportshack]

Not sure about Wimberley, but every team Argyle faced in the playoffs were former state champs. Carthage was a three time champ...I think the best team we played was Prosper. The entire Region was tough. Our district wasn't that tough, but everybody else was, especially the district that Carthage and Gilmer were in.

Well happy days...you get to play another program that has previously won a state championship in Wimberley...of course that was a few years back back in the time when Central Texas schools in Wimberley and Liberty Hill were dominating the SC scene (mostly LH...LOL). How the sam hell could such a thing possibly happen!!!! :stirpot: Yesterdays news you would probably say when referring to those times. Interesting. :)

[Duaal Rusny]

Good points all...figures lie and liars figure. Of course...when you do not play other teams from other regions you can never be totally sure and that is the spice of the game. I would like to hear from Sealy posters, and Cuero Posters, and Bellville posters, and West-Orange Stark posters, and Devine posters, and Gonzales posters, and Bridge City posters. Is Major right in his opinion that is folly to think that Region III or Region IV can compete with region II? May be true lately and I GUESS that gives you edge.

So tell me about the passing teams that Argyle has faced. I saw that Gilmer had a sweet offensive scheme. Is that true of all the schools Argyle has played? Have they just put down passing team after passing team this year? And I mean teams that can really pass and do so as part of their routine offensive schemes.

Gilmer's offensive scheme was get it to number 8 (the receiver going to Rice). Carthage is just a smash mouth take whatever you give them team, and that head coach is one of the best offensive minds in the state.(they also had a d-1 receiver/db) Prosper was not a true passing team, its offense centered around a very talented quarterback that could run and throw...if he had time. He had lots of time the first game, and not much time the second game.

[MajorApplehorn]

Actually my question was....other than Gilmer has Argyle beaten any true passing teams? My other question was to the Region III and Region IV posters regarding what they think about competing with Region II teams this year.

Well, all you Wimbo guys LOVE stats...Argyle killed Sanger, with Dave Campbell's 3A Coverboy Dane Evans, who throws for thousands of yards every year and is 2nd team All State QB. Also, they dominated Prosper in the playoff. Javelle Allen, Prosper QB, threw for 2888, 31 tds, and 5 ints. They also had to contend with his 1497 rushing yds and 22 tds.

[wimbo_pro]

Well, all you Wimbo guys LOVE stats...Argyle killed Sanger, with Dave Campbell's 3A Coverboy Dane Evans, who throws for thousands of yards every year and is 2nd team All State QB. Also, they dominated Prosper in the playoff. Javelle Allen, Prosper QB, threw for 2888, 31 tds, and 5 ints. They also had to contend with his 1497 rushing yds and 22 tds.

Yeah, some of us DO love stats, only because it puts some reality to the claims here on the board. Of course they can be very misleading...but in the last game of the year, stats are more telling than any other time during the year. After 15 games (14 in our case), there is a pattern that emerges.

With that said, I agree that in THIS game, stats are not as telling because they are so close between the two teams. But the big one that WAS in favor of Argyle...strength of schedule...is suddenly not so big. And if it is accurate, it is just more evidence that Argyle has no advantage over Wimberley statistically....at least not overwhelmingly so. This, to me, means Argyle is playing the best team they have seen all year...and the same can be said about Wimberley. This plays into our favor, I say.

[rb585]

gurgle!

[rb585]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pZHXQ698Ok

[rb585]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYN4jnA8fKs

[rb585]

I hear you...stats are for losers and all that stuff.I get it. But stats DO tell a story, and stats alone (Massey, for instance) has an 85% accuracy rate in the play offs this year. How do you explain that? The only way you CAN explain it is to say there is at least some value in stats.


I think I gave this speech last week. You forgot to call them Luddites.

[MajorApplehorn]

I'll see your Dave Campbell and raise you a Sports Illustrated.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/web/COM1192674/index.htm

Thats pretty cool! However, Evans and Allen will play DI. Sadler will not.

Nevertheless, the question posed was whether Argyle had played any passing teams this year. I clearly proved they played OUTSTANDING passing teams and it was passed right over. Good luck to both teams. Go North Texas!

[mike_angler]

5 of the last 6 state championships have come from region 2; I think this answers your question. That doesn't mean anything if Argyle doesn't go out there and play their game but Region 2 (OVERALL) is better.

You failed to mention that 4 of the 5 state champs came from within 20 miles of each other so does that say more about what an incredible run that Carthage and Tatum had and less about region 2.

By the way, why wasn't there a region 2 representative in the 3A DI game last Friday.

[Duaal Rusny]

You failed to mention that 4 of the 5 state champs came from within 20 miles of each other so does that say more about what an incredible run that Carthage and Tatum had and less about region 2.

By the way, why wasn't there a region 2 representative in the 3A DI game last Friday.

Because Chapel Hill is not located anywhere near Gilmer, Henderson, or Carthage.

[Sportshack]

I think that Argyle is a great team. I am impressed and I have gone on record as saying that they could well stomp Wimberley...especially if the hyperbole turns out to be real. And to be fair, I have seen some great things with my own eyes on film, so some of postings IMO are not hyperbole. I could not help but notice when I really beared down and watched the only game film available to me of the Argyle v Gilmer game and posted that Argyle had some flaws, it was not popular. Hell...all I said was that I thought we could hang in there. As a fan, you look for whatever you can to give you a chance, at least in your mind. I realize that Gilmer is a very good team. I get it. When I verbalized some of the weaknesses I saw against a very good team in Gilmer it really got some Argyle posters upset. I was called sarcastic...yada...yada...yada. There were also some more reasonable posters who basically indicated that absent a focused effort that a loss to Wimberley could happen, but realistically barring some weird meltdown they were the prohibitive favorite. They acknowledged if the team played like they did against Monahans they would lose...I am sure it was a motivational mantra to the kids that inevitably look at these boards. Cerebral fellows indeed. Still also clearly we are dealing with human beings and young ones at that.

How can they not be the favorite with their resume. They have been impressive. Still...I watched the 05 team from Wimberley cruise through the playoffs and win a SC...so I have seen some high level football...and I don't think...I know that team would win easily against Argyle. They had playmakers at every position and were deep!!! Incredible speed in secondary. Argyle reminds me of them a bit except that 05 Texans team had an incredible RB and running game to go along with greeeeaaat passing game. In addition, they had a defense that allowed virtually no points except to a WO-S team that had Deion Beasley and Earl Thomas. A very talented WO-S team that lost by 23. Argyle has a good defense but it they have not been dominating. My point in all of this history lesson is that I have seen incredible teams play. In fact, I also know that the Carthage team from last year would put a whooping on this version of the Eagles. Again the point in bringing up all of these comparisons is to indicate that there is something a little off about this Argyle team and I do not mean by much...just a little. Now...that in no way means Wimberley can take advantage of those flaws. Wimberley has its own set of flaws. I personally do not think this Texans team is quite as good as the 05 Texans team that I KNOW would kick the heck out of this Argyle team. I might be swayed if Carthage posters weighed in and said oh no...this version of Carthage was every bit as good as Carthage team that won SC last year and Argyle is the best team they have seen in last 2 years. I highly doubt that would happen.

Therefore, I feel there are some weaknesses and the question is can Wimberely exploit those weaknesses. No one else but Prosper has done so this year. However, they did not just squeak out a win...they whooped that arse. So there is some history of flaws...is there not? Like I said Wimberley has flaws as well. None of it may matter as Sanger, Prosper, Carthage, and Gilmer might have all beat Wimberley like a red headed step child.

Perhaps it as simple as the team that lives by the three point shot (so to speak) can die by the 3-point shot. Maybe Gilmer and Carthage were otherworldly opponents and Wimberley is not worthy. Maybe Argyle will be on a roll like never seen and dominate. To be fair...some Argyle posters agree there are some flaws to their team and their will be points scored by Texans but ultimately think it will not matter as their offense will more than overcome those flaws. Could be very true. Argyle will probably win going away...but hope springs eternal because there are some hints of vulnerability. I know...I know...I am just grasping because Argyle has beaten teams that had State Championships in the past. Heck...they might be another one... and I will likely tip my hat and eat my crow...still there is something...

[Sportshack]

Gilmer's offensive scheme was get it to number 8 (the receiver going to Rice). Carthage is just a smash mouth take whatever you give them team, and that head coach is one of the best offensive minds in the state.(they also had a d-1 receiver/db) Prosper was not a true passing team, its offense centered around a very talented quarterback that could run and throw...if he had time. He had lots of time the first game, and not much time the second game.

Soooo...are you saying that have not played a real passing team outside of Gilmer? Interesting to be sure. That number 8 was really impressive.

[rb585]

Thats pretty cool! However, Evans and Allen will play DI. Sadler will not.

Nevertheless, the question posed was whether Argyle had played any passing teams this year. I clearly proved they played OUTSTANDING passing teams and it was passed right over. Good luck to both teams. Go North Texas!

I said gurgle!

[Sportshack]

Well, all you Wimbo guys LOVE stats...Argyle killed Sanger, with Dave Campbell's 3A Coverboy Dane Evans, who throws for thousands of yards every year and is 2nd team All State QB. Also, they dominated Prosper in the playoff. Javelle Allen, Prosper QB, threw for 2888, 31 tds, and 5 ints. They also had to contend with his 1497 rushing yds and 22 tds.

Ok...good info...so it is possible to dominate a QB that is highly touted and throws for lots of yards. Cool...hope springs eternal. :)

[Duaal Rusny]

I think that Argyle is a great team. I am impressed and I have gone on record as saying that they could well stomp Wimberley...especially if the hyperbole turns out to be real. And to be fair, I have seen some great things with my own eyes on film, so some of postings IMO are not hyperbole. I could not help but notice when I really beared down and watched the only game film available to me of the Argyle v Gilmer game and posted that Argyle had some flaws, it was not popular. Hell...all I said was that I thought we could hang in there. As a fan, you look for whatever you can to give you a chance, at least in your mind. I realize that Gilmer is a very good team. I get it. When I verbalized some of the weaknesses I saw against a very good team in Gilmer it really got some Argyle posters upset. I was called sarcastic...yada...yada...yada. There were also some more reasonable posters who basically indicated that absent a focused effort that a loss to Wimberley could happen, but realistically barring some weird meltdown they were the prohibitive favorite. They acknowledged if the team played like they did against Monahans they would lose...I am sure it was a motivational mantra to the kids that inevitably look at these boards. Cerebral fellows indeed. Still also clearly we are dealing with human beings and young ones at that.

How can they not be the favorite with their resume. They have been impressive. Still...I watched the 05 team from Wimberley cruise through the playoffs and win a SC...so I have seen some high level football...and I don't think...I know that team would win easily against Argyle. They had playmakers at every position and were deep!!! Incredible speed in secondary. Argyle reminds me of them a bit except that 05 Texans team had an incredible RB and running game to go along with greeeeaaat passing game. In addition, they had a defense that allowed virtually no points except to a WO-S team that had Deion Beasley and Earl Thomas. A very talented WO-S team that lost by 23. Argyle has a good defense but it they have not been dominating. My point in all of this history lesson is that I have seen incredible teams play. In fact, I also know that the Carthage team from last year would put a whooping on this version of the Eagles. Again the point in bringing up all of these comparisons is to indicate that there is something a little off about this Argyle team and I do not mean by much...just a little. Now...that in no way means Wimberley can take advantage of those flaws. Wimberley has its own set of flaws. I personally do not think this Texans team is quite as good as the 05 Texans team that I KNOW would kick the heck out of this Argyle team. I might be swayed if Carthage posters weighed in and said oh no...this version of Carthage was every bit as good as Carthage team that won SC last year and Argyle is the best team they have seen in last 2 years. I highly doubt that would happen.

Therefore, I feel there are some weaknesses and the question is can Wimberely exploit those weaknesses. No one else but Prosper has done so this year. However, they did not just squeak out a win...they whooped that arse. So there is some history of flaws...is there not? Like I said Wimberley has flaws as well. None of it may matter as Sanger, Prosper, Carthage, and Gilmer might have all beat Wimberley like a red headed step child.

Perhaps it as simple as the team that lives by the three point shot (so to speak) can die by the 3-point shot. Maybe Gilmer and Carthage were otherworldly opponents and Wimberley is not worthy. Maybe Argyle will be on a roll like never seen and dominate. To be fair...some Argyle posters agree there are some flaws to their team and their will be points scored by Texans but ultimately think it will not matter as their offense will more than overcome those flaws. Could be very true. Argyle will probably win going away...but hope springs eternal because there are some hints of vulnerability. I know...I know...I am just grasping because Argyle has beaten teams that had State Championships in the past. Heck...they might be another one... and I will likely tip my hat and eat my crow...still there is something...

The 'something' you are seeing is the secondary (said earlier in the thread, playing with out an all district DB for the last 2.5 games). Do you think Wimberley has any weaknesses we are not getting to see?

[Sportshack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pZHXQ698Ok

Did you know that Coach Taylor lives in Dripping Springs and that his kids go to DHS...small world indeed.

[mike_angler]

There is always just a sliver of hope if you look hard enough...

[Duaal Rusny]

Soooo...are you saying that have not played a real passing team outside of Gilmer? Interesting to be sure. That number 8 was really impressive.

Yeah, they could all spread it out. But Gilmer was really the only pass dominated team (other than Sanger, but they aren't in the same category). Prosper was about 55% run 45% pass, but maybe 1/3 of those runs were the QB (designed runs, draws, and scrambling)

[Sportshack]

Thats pretty cool! However, Evans and Allen will play DI. Sadler will not.

Nevertheless, the question posed was whether Argyle had played any passing teams this year. I clearly proved they played OUTSTANDING passing teams and it was passed right over. Good luck to both teams. Go North Texas!

Sorry...my bad...you did do exactly that and that is information I was looking for. Advantage Argyle to be sure. Need some good bounces of the ball or perhaps Dennis Smith running it down throat and Blakemore getting off. I realize those might be long shots against the team that gave up only 34 and 35 points against D-16 teams. Sarcasm again...sorry...I appreciate the info...it does not make me feel better. I was hoping they had not had extensive experience against a quality QB but not the case. You are a straight shooter right...you realize they have had the ball moved on them a couple form.

[Duaal Rusny]

There is always just a sliver of hope if you look hard enough...

I don't think he ever questioned the kids character or playing ability. Just stated a fact, Sadler has not gotten a DI offer. Those other guys have.

[wimbo_pro]

The 'something' you are seeing is the secondary (said earlier in the thread, playing with out an all district DB for the last 2.5 games). Do you think Wimberley has any weaknesses we are not getting to see?

We definitely have our weaknesses. Hope you dont find them!

[Sportshack]

The 'something' you are seeing is the secondary (said earlier in the thread, playing with out an all district DB for the last 2.5 games). Do you think Wimberley has any weaknesses we are not getting to see?

The Texans are pretty healthy. They absolutely got some weaknesses in this matchup. They got some strengths as well. So Gilmer ran and passed up and down field on them because the DB got hurt despite some brutal turnovers. I get it...injuries are tough on 3A programs.

[Sportshack]

Yeah, they could all spread it out. But Gilmer was really the only pass dominated team (other than Sanger, but they aren't in the same category). Prosper was about 55% run 45% pass, but maybe 1/3 of those runs were the QB (designed runs, draws, and scrambling)

Hey MAJORRRRRRRR...your fellow poster here sees it a bit different!!!! Hope springs eternal more. LOL

[wimbo_pro]

I don't think he ever questioned the kids character or playing ability. Just stated a fact, Sadler has not gotten a DI offer. Those other guys have.

You cant question Salders record. Not been done since 1952, no matter WHAT school took them. You gotta respect that.

[Duaal Rusny]

The Texans are pretty healthy. They absolutely got some weaknesses in this matchup. They got some strengths as well. So Gilmer ran and passed up and down field on them because the DB got hurt despite some brutal turnovers. I get it...injuries are tough on 3A programs.

TEAM STATS
Argyle Gilmer
Total yards 438 499
First downs 18 23
Rushes/Yds 29/139 28/98
Average rush 4.79 3.5
Comp-Att-Int 11-33-0 40-60-2
Pass yards 299 401
Comp pct 33.33 66.67
Punts 3 3
Punting Yards 114 78
Punting Average 38 26
Fumbles-Lost 2-1 3-1
Penalties-yards 5-33 9-60

Thats the box score for the Gilmer game, offensively they won that game, but a pick 6 and a 5 yard punt was the difference.
If those 2 things don't happen, then you would be trying to figure out how to stop them and not us.

[mike_angler]

I don't think he ever questioned the kids character or playing ability. Just stated a fact, Sadler has not gotten a DI offer. Those other guys have.

I realized that as soon as I posted it that's why I erased and changed it. Obviously not soon enough.

[Sportshack]

TEAM STATS
Argyle Gilmer
Total yards 438 499
First downs 18 23
Rushes/Yds 29/139 28/98
Average rush 4.79 3.5
Comp-Att-Int 11-33-0 40-60-2
Pass yards 299 401
Comp pct 33.33 66.67
Punts 3 3
Punting Yards 114 78
Punting Average 38 26
Fumbles-Lost 2-1 3-1
Penalties-yards 5-33 9-60

Thats the box score for the Gilmer game, offensively they won that game, but a pick 6 and a 5 yard punt was the difference.
If those 2 things don't happen, then you would be trying to figure out how to stop them and not us.

Good man...you have my respect...for whatever that little bit is worth...LOL!

[ADKargyleTCU12]

I think that Argyle is a great team. I am impressed and I have gone on record as saying that they could well stomp Wimberley...especially if the hyperbole turns out to be real. And to be fair, I have seen some great things with my own eyes on film, so some of postings IMO are not hyperbole. I could not help but notice when I really beared down and watched the only game film available to me of the Argyle v Gilmer game and posted that Argyle had some flaws, it was not popular. Hell...all I said was that I thought we could hang in there. As a fan, you look for whatever you can to give you a chance, at least in your mind. I realize that Gilmer is a very good team. I get it. When I verbalized some of the weaknesses I saw against a very good team in Gilmer it really got some Argyle posters upset. I was called sarcastic...yada...yada...yada. There were also some more reasonable posters who basically indicated that absent a focused effort that a loss to Wimberley could happen, but realistically barring some weird meltdown they were the prohibitive favorite. They acknowledged if the team played like they did against Monahans they would lose...I am sure it was a motivational mantra to the kids that inevitably look at these boards. Cerebral fellows indeed. Still also clearly we are dealing with human beings and young ones at that.

How can they not be the favorite with their resume. They have been impressive. Still...I watched the 05 team from Wimberley cruise through the playoffs and win a SC...so I have seen some high level football...and I don't think...I know that team would win easily against Argyle. They had playmakers at every position and were deep!!! Incredible speed in secondary. Argyle reminds me of them a bit except that 05 Texans team had an incredible RB and running game to go along with greeeeaaat passing game. In addition, they had a defense that allowed virtually no points except to a WO-S team that had Deion Beasley and Earl Thomas. A very talented WO-S team that lost by 23. Argyle has a good defense but it they have not been dominating. My point in all of this history lesson is that I have seen incredible teams play. In fact, I also know that the Carthage team from last year would put a whooping on this version of the Eagles. Again the point in bringing up all of these comparisons is to indicate that there is something a little off about this Argyle team and I do not mean by much...just a little. Now...that in no way means Wimberley can take advantage of those flaws. Wimberley has its own set of flaws. I personally do not think this Texans team is quite as good as the 05 Texans team that I KNOW would kick the heck out of this Argyle team. I might be swayed if Carthage posters weighed in and said oh no...this version of Carthage was every bit as good as Carthage team that won SC last year and Argyle is the best team they have seen in last 2 years. I highly doubt that would happen.

Therefore, I feel there are some weaknesses and the question is can Wimberely exploit those weaknesses. No one else but Prosper has done so this year. However, they did not just squeak out a win...they whooped that arse. So there is some history of flaws...is there not? Like I said Wimberley has flaws as well. None of it may matter as Sanger, Prosper, Carthage, and Gilmer might have all beat Wimberley like a red headed step child.

Perhaps it as simple as the team that lives by the three point shot (so to speak) can die by the 3-point shot. Maybe Gilmer and Carthage were otherworldly opponents and Wimberley is not worthy. Maybe Argyle will be on a roll like never seen and dominate. To be fair...some Argyle posters agree there are some flaws to their team and their will be points scored by Texans but ultimately think it will not matter as their offense will more than overcome those flaws. Could be very true. Argyle will probably win going away...but hope springs eternal because there are some hints of vulnerability. I know...I know...I am just grasping because Argyle has beaten teams that had State Championships in the past. Heck...they might be another one... and I will likely tip my hat and eat my crow...still there is something...

We definitely have flaws and so does Wimberley. You guys have said yourself that you have not faced a passing attack like you're about to see. It will be a close game and Wimberley could definitely win! Both teams are deserving at this point. Both teams have excellent coaching and both teams coaches are going to put their players in the position to win the game. I think we're in for a real treat tomorrow (today since it is midnight hehe).

Thanks for some entertainment that I was not about to get at our other board this week. You guys are class acts. I hope you Wimberley folks travel safe up here and that we see a clean, hard fought game. May the best team win!

Go Eagles.

[BLACK ATTACK]

I think that Argyle is a great team. I am impressed and I have gone on record as saying that they could well stomp Wimberley...especially if the hyperbole turns out to be real. And to be fair, I have seen some great things with my own eyes on film, so some of postings IMO are not hyperbole. I could not help but notice when I really beared down and watched the only game film available to me of the Argyle v Gilmer game and posted that Argyle had some flaws, it was not popular. Hell...all I said was that I thought we could hang in there. As a fan, you look for whatever you can to give you a chance, at least in your mind. I realize that Gilmer is a very good team. I get it. When I verbalized some of the weaknesses I saw against a very good team in Gilmer it really got some Argyle posters upset. I was called sarcastic...yada...yada...yada. There were also some more reasonable posters who basically indicated that absent a focused effort that a loss to Wimberley could happen, but realistically barring some weird meltdown they were the prohibitive favorite. They acknowledged if the team played like they did against Monahans they would lose...I am sure it was a motivational mantra to the kids that inevitably look at these boards. Cerebral fellows indeed. Still also clearly we are dealing with human beings and young ones at that.

How can they not be the favorite with their resume. They have been impressive. Still...I watched the 05 team from Wimberley cruise through the playoffs and win a SC...so I have seen some high level football...and I don't think...I know that team would win easily against Argyle. They had playmakers at every position and were deep!!! Incredible speed in secondary. Argyle reminds me of them a bit except that 05 Texans team had an incredible RB and running game to go along with greeeeaaat passing game. In addition, they had a defense that allowed virtually no points except to a WO-S team that had Deion Beasley and Earl Thomas. A very talented WO-S team that lost by 23. Argyle has a good defense but it they have not been dominating. My point in all of this history lesson is that I have seen incredible teams play. In fact, I also know that the Carthage team from last year would put a whooping on this version of the Eagles. Again the point in bringing up all of these comparisons is to indicate that there is something a little off about this Argyle team and I do not mean by much...just a little. Now...that in no way means Wimberley can take advantage of those flaws. Wimberley has its own set of flaws. I personally do not think this Texans team is quite as good as the 05 Texans team that I KNOW would kick the heck out of this Argyle team. I might be swayed if Carthage posters weighed in and said oh no...this version of Carthage was every bit as good as Carthage team that won SC last year and Argyle is the best team they have seen in last 2 years. I highly doubt that would happen.

Therefore, I feel there are some weaknesses and the question is can Wimberely exploit those weaknesses. No one else but Prosper has done so this year. However, they did not just squeak out a win...they whooped that arse. So there is some history of flaws...is there not? Like I said Wimberley has flaws as well. None of it may matter as Sanger, Prosper, Carthage, and Gilmer might have all beat Wimberley like a red headed step child.

Perhaps it as simple as the team that lives by the three point shot (so to speak) can die by the 3-point shot. Maybe Gilmer and Carthage were otherworldly opponents and Wimberley is not worthy. Maybe Argyle will be on a roll like never seen and dominate. To be fair...some Argyle posters agree there are some flaws to their team and their will be points scored by Texans but ultimately think it will not matter as their offense will more than overcome those flaws. Could be very true. Argyle will probably win going away...but hope springs eternal because there are some hints of vulnerability. I know...I know...I am just grasping because Argyle has beaten teams that had State Championships in the past. Heck...they might be another one... and I will likely tip my hat and eat my crow...still there is something...


So, you've watched 1 Argyle game and formed your opinion. Well I have watched 5 Wimberley games and they look pretty good, but I wouldn't call it great. You've played very one dimensional teams. I don't need a bunch of your ridiculous stats and analysis that are repetitive and starting to get boring to see that it's real easy to load the box and stop the run, although Taylor crammed it down your throat. After watching your games, you guys have some good players no doubt about it, but I can tell you, with confidence, that any of our last 3 playoff opponents could have beaten you. I don't feel the same about your playoff opponents chances against us. But hey, we gonna find out in about 16 hours. So put your notepad, calculator, and thesaurus away and get ready for the game. You guys have a safe trip up this way, especially if the weather is bad.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

I don't think he ever questioned the kids character or playing ability. Just stated a fact, Sadler has not gotten a DI offer. Those other guys have.

I may have missed something but I HOPE y'all aren't talking about Argyle's Ian Sadler, because he is only a sophomore.

[ADKargyleTCU12]

So, you've watched 1 Argyle game and formed your opinion. Well I have watched 5 Wimberley games and they look pretty good, but I wouldn't call it great. You've played very one dimensional teams. I don't need a bunch of your ridiculous stats and analysis that are repetitive and starting to get boring to see that it's real easy to load the box and stop the run, although Taylor crammed it down your throat. After watching your games, you guys have some good players no doubt about it, but I can tell you, with confidence, that any of our last 3 playoff opponents could have beaten you. I don't feel the same about your playoff opponents chances against us. But hey, we gonna find out in about 16 hours. So put your notepad, calculator, and thesaurus away and get ready for the game. You guys have a safe trip up this way, especially if the weather is bad.

Monahans could not beat Wimberley and I'm not sure how we would matchup against Coldspring...

[BLACK ATTACK]

Monahans could not beat Wimberley and I'm not sure how we would matchup against Coldspring...


My Bad......no, no way Monahans beats them. I meant Prosper, Carthage, and Gilmer Obviously

[Duaal Rusny]

I may have missed something but I HOPE y'all aren't talking about Argyle's Ian Sadler, because he is only a sophomore.

We were not.

[regaleagle]

Well boys, prediction time is here. After reading everything here, and in previous weeks thruout the season, and garnering all the info I can on Wimberley without actually seeing them play, I would have to say they will be the most talented team Argyle will play this year. Maybe not the most physical, but very althletic and capable. The match-up is a total draw when all is said and done. I'm a homer, but even if I wasn't, I would still pick Argyle in a tight one because of Austin Aune and the recieving corp. And the Argyle O-line makes Aune a better qb. I have nothing negative to say about Wimberley whatsoever. Here's my predicition: ARGYLE EAGLES 39 WIMBERLEY TEXANS 34

[hunt4it44]

I am only a couple weeks old to this forum but have really been impressed by the mostly civil discussions and great and fair analysis of the game - by both sides. I agree that it is going to be a good one and I hope both teams bring their best game to the field tomorrow.

I have the good fortune of getting to go to the game tomorrow and I hope everyone on here gets to go as well. If you cannot go and do not have FoxSports SW, you can catch the game on an internet feed at WimberleyRadio.com or go to KDRPlive.org and dowload the app that will let you listen to the game on your iphone/ipod/ipad.

May the best team win.

[regaleagle]

My prediction should read 37-34, not 39-34. But it really doesn't matter anyway.

[Manso/V8]

Wimberley 35
Argyle 28

Wimberley has a stout defense and pretty good offense even though their QB is really a LB!
The Texans have proven they always find a way to win.
The SC is their destiny this year, can't lose.

Best of luck to both teams! This is a game that the players, fans, and communities will remember forever.

I look forward to a good, clean, hard fought game with the ultimate display of sportsmanship, and I join in your prayers for an injury free contest.

[mike_angler]

I may have missed something but I HOPE y'all aren't talking about Argyle's Ian Sadler, because he is only a sophomore.

No I misread someone's post about Joseph Sadler from Devine, and I changed my post when I noted the exclamation point. DR commented on it before I could change it.

[Sportshack]

So, you've watched 1 Argyle game and formed your opinion. Well I have watched 5 Wimberley games and they look pretty good, but I wouldn't call it great. You've played very one dimensional teams. I don't need a bunch of your ridiculous stats and analysis that are repetitive and starting to get boring to see that it's real easy to load the box and stop the run, although Taylor crammed it down your throat. After watching your games, you guys have some good players no doubt about it, but I can tell you, with confidence, that any of our last 3 playoff opponents could have beaten you. I don't feel the same about your playoff opponents chances against us. But hey, we gonna find out in about 16 hours. So put your notepad, calculator, and thesaurus away and get ready for the game. You guys have a safe trip up this way, especially if the weather is bad.


Oh well...in all of my diatribe...I really only ever said that the Texans possibly had a chance. I realize that you feel that Argyle is simply unbeatable...well...uh...at least in the game today. I was poking the bear some and absolutely realize that Argyle is a GREAT team...and I said so. We are in the unenviable position, as Texans fans and posters, of having to say well if things go right...the Texans could come out on top. You got the easy job...LOL. The roles have been reversed for us as we have been the team favored in most of our games. Well, I guess there was a similar feel before the Coldspring game. The reality is if someone like me has to come up with reasons that the team they are pulling for will maybe have a chance to stay in the game...then the odds are likely not in our favor. Still...we got great RB's, good to great receivers, a good QB, really good LB's, a quick and athletic front and really good coaches...so...again hope springs eternal. Your point about loading the box is well taken....still...I am betting 13 other teams tried it against Joseph Sadler but somehow did not pull it off. Hopefully, that means there is a little more substance there than just loading the box.

Oh...well...I am still looking forward to it. Like I said...hope springs eternal. The weather is bad here. :ack!:

[Sportshack]

Wimberley 35
Argyle 28

Wimberley has a stout defense and pretty good offense even though their QB is really a LB!
The Texans have proven they always find a way to win.
The SC is their destiny this year, can't lose.

Best of luck to both teams! This is a game that the players, fans, and communities will remember forever.

I look forward to a good, clean, hard fought game with the ultimate display of sportsmanship, and I join in your prayers for an injury free contest.

Well we got Los Owls picking against us and Manso pulling for us....that is GOOD MOJO!!! :clap: Gotta head to the Metroplex.

[Chillfan]

Dont know much about either team to be able to make a prediction. Congrats to both teams for a great season.

Sounds like it will be a good one.

[OldNavy]

Stats, did someone say stats? I looked at Massey and after last weeks games, Massey still lists Alvarado the number one team in 3A. How can that be? Stats. Stats give us probabilities. Over time the stats say Alvarado has a higher probability of beating Chapel Hill 52 games out of 100. Wow! Guess what, Argyle is picked over Wimberley, but the probability is something like 50.8% to 49.2. Statisticly, that is just about a toss up. Like batting averages, it these two teams play 1000 times, the stats say Argyle would win 508 to Wimberley's 492. So what the stats tell me about this game is that picking the winner with any surity is dang near impossible. One team will win and the other lose. Who got the most sleep, who is healthiest, how the officials call the game, when mistakes are made, who plays their best game of the year, how the coaches call the game are all unkonwable.

Two well matched teams in the state finals, congrats to both. I hope it is well played and no injuries. I hope the coaches open the playbook and allow their teams to showcase all their talent. I have a theory that coaches get conservative as the importance of the game increases and it doesn't get anymore improtant than this. They so things that they hope won't increase the probability of a loss. They don't kick away, they play field position and take fewer risks, they don't take as many chances in the backfield for fear of a fumble that could change the course of the game. I think there will not be as many points scored as some on this board for that reason. We shall see. I look forward to a great game and wish best of luck to all.

[Tejastrue]

Heading out to the game. It's been one hell of a ride. Nothing has changed about my feeling that this is our year. We hear it time and time again about all the D1 prospects playing for the opposition and we can't hang with other regions. Well, we are in the SC and it's within our grasp. Go take it Texans!!!

Good luck to the Eagles. You absolutely deserve to be here. :clap:

[Manso/V8]

Heading out to the game. It's been one hell of a ride. Nothing has changed about my feeling that this is our year. We hear it time and time again about all the D1 prospects playing for the opposition and we can't hang with other regions. Well, we are in the SC and it's within our grasp. Go take it Texans!!!

Good luck to the Eagles. You absolutely deserve to be here. :clap:

D1 prospects (especially OL) have the physical tools that give them a good chance to compete at the D1 level, that doesn't make them better high school players than D2 prospects and/or really good high school football players.......there are D1 commits from losing teams in 3A this year......an OL from winless Needville comes to mind. Key players that help top ranked college teams win big time bowl games go undrafted and never make it to camp, or if they do. don't make it to the practice squad in the pros. Heisman winners are a bust in the NFL more times than not.......the Texans have some potential D1 and D2 prospects as well, but more importantly they also have really good high school football players across the board that play with heart "for each other" and will find a way to win. That strong team aspect, the long time experience of the coaching staff, the strong community support(which really does mean something in 3A).......and they aren't bandwagon fans, Wimberley has been represented on this board better than any other team from the pre-season.....all point to the Texan's destiny this season. That destiny is the State Championship these young men have been focused on since they were playing junior high ball. You can't change destiny.

[wimbo_pro]

So, you've watched 1 Argyle game and formed your opinion. Well I have watched 5 Wimberley games and they look pretty good, but I wouldn't call it great. You've played very one dimensional teams. I don't need a bunch of your ridiculous stats and analysis that are repetitive and starting to get boring to see that it's real easy to load the box and stop the run, although Taylor crammed it down your throat. After watching your games, you guys have some good players no doubt about it, but I can tell you, with confidence, that any of our last 3 playoff opponents could have beaten you. I don't feel the same about your playoff opponents chances against us. But hey, we gonna find out in about 16 hours. So put your notepad, calculator, and thesaurus away and get ready for the game. You guys have a safe trip up this way, especially if the weather is bad.
LOL@BlackAttack...settle down, Sparky...the stats give us something to talk about...to discuss and to ponder (as opposed to ridiculous posts like you just made). Who on the PLANET doesnt know that stats are only numbers, and that the game must be played to determine the winner? D-U-H. I think you take all this discussion way to serious. It's all been in fun...respectful fun (with an occasional jab), all to help calm the football devil that lives in all of us and pisses off the wife when we dont listen on Friday nights, Saturdays and Sundays...and Monday nights...and an occasional Thursday night.

With that said...you guys from Argyle are good folk!! I have enjoyed it, this has been as good as it gets when it comes to pre-game chatter and pontifications. Thanks to all of you for your input and mutual respect...and I hope all are safe and all have a great time!!!

Go Texans!!!!

[ogg]

Stats, did someone say stats? I looked at Massey and after last weeks games, Massey still lists Alvarado the number one team in 3A. How can that be? Stats. Stats give us probabilities. Over time the stats say Alvarado has a higher probability of beating Chapel Hill 52 games out of 100. Wow! Guess what, Argyle is picked over Wimberley, but the probability is something like 50.8% to 49.2. Statisticly, that is just about a toss up. Like batting averages, it these two teams play 1000 times, the stats say Argyle would win 508 to Wimberley's 492. So what the stats tell me about this game is that picking the winner with any surity is dang near impossible. One team will win and the other lose. Who got the most sleep, who is healthiest, how the officials call the game, when mistakes are made, who plays their best game of the year, how the coaches call the game are all unkonwable.

Two well matched teams in the state finals, congrats to both. I hope it is well played and no injuries. I hope the coaches open the playbook and allow their teams to showcase all their talent. I have a theory that coaches get conservative as the importance of the game increases and it doesn't get anymore improtant than this. They so things that they hope won't increase the probability of a loss. They don't kick away, they play field position and take fewer risks, they don't take as many chances in the backfield for fear of a fumble that could change the course of the game. I think there will not be as many points scored as some on this board for that reason. We shall see. I look forward to a great game and wish best of luck to all.

Yup, a football isn't round so anything can happen. Or should I say sphere, LOL