Div II State Championship: Carthage vs Graham [Archive] - Page 2

Tromboneking

12-14-2009, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by N4SIR
Graham has the best defense in 3A -- that's a laugh. Sure didn't see it in the Pitt game. You Graham homers go ahead and talk all you want. Come Saturday night you will be going home wondering what the hell just happened. And then you will know what the Wylie fans felt like.

Really? Our defense held Pitt to 3 points until the 3rd....and the our d was out on the field almost the entire 3rd quarter. Yeah, they scored 2 td on us because we made to many STUPID mistakes. In fact, we stopped them on 3rd down twice but due to a roughing the kicker and a fumble they scored...take those mistakes out...Pitt only scores 3. The hot shot running game Pitt had? I don't think they had a big gain on the ground all night...

The Graham D is VERY good!

markp08

12-14-2009, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Z-RO
Where is the best place to park around the stadium? I remember a few years back when I went to watch Miami Northwest and South lake we had to park east about 3/4ths of a mile away from the stadium in these huge parking lots. Tell me this will not be the case once again! All suggestions will be appreciated.

We parked 1 block south of the Stadium off of Mockingbird. Parking was not a problem for us. It took us less than 3 minutes to walk from our car to the gate.

txsfootball4lif

12-14-2009, 12:29 AM

Parking is the biggest issue with this stadium. People atleast add an hour to your travel time for traffic , many Wylie folks last night were stuck in traffic and didn't get to the game until almost half time. Otherwise it is easy to find, just stay on 30 until exit 46 to merge on US-75 N toward McKinney, then exit 3 toward Mockingbird Ln. I just parked in the covered parking area, it was worth $20 to me.

IHStangFan

12-14-2009, 12:52 AM

I'm taking Carthage in this one by 10.

bowleghorses

12-14-2009, 02:12 AM

I'm gunna go with the underdog...Wait,Who is the underdog?:D :D :D

LawDog

12-14-2009, 06:31 AM

For all those looking at the stats of this game here are a few that say the game will come to the wire.
Points Scored: Graham Avg. 35 – Carthage Avg. 37
Points Allowed: Graham Avg. 15 – Carthage Avg. 16
Avg. Points Margin: Graham 19 – Carthage 20
All this tells me is that both teams deserve to be in the State Title Game and that Carthage better wake up if they don’t want to pull a Florida (Carthage) – Alabama (Graham) game. Graham is coming for something they have never had and is hungry. Carthage has already had a State Title and is over confident. That is why we play the game!!! Go Graham Steers!!!!!!

hookandladder

12-14-2009, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
Hey Hook whats the deal, we can't compare carthage to anybody that we have played no matter how good they were??? But you and Lost can't open your mouths without comparing Carthage to GILMER!!!!!!! WE are not PLAYING GILMER, and don't give a HOOT how good they are, was, or will be. I do know Graham will show up and give Carthage ONE hell of a fight! Then ya'll can use Graham as a unit of measure against ALL the other inferior TEAMS.

GO GRAHAM STEERS !!!!! BRING THE RING !!!!

Most people know how good Gilmer was this year, I am saying Carthage in my eyes after seeing Cuero and Gilmer play is better then both of them 2 teams. That will not bold well for your Steers, Carthage is like a small college team.Words from my son on the field.

hookandladder

12-14-2009, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Steer81
I really am having a great time reading all this stuff! And all the people who do not give Graham a chance. Been hearing this all year. You can't beat Bridgport (Steers did twice), You can't beat Wyle (Steers did), You can't beat Monahans (Steers did) and there is no way this team can beat Wiberly or Pitt (Steers did). People keep telling this team that they can't and somehow they do. I hope to GOD that all the words that people say on this site, in Mags and all the so called experts get back to the Steers, believe me they will love getting to hear how they can't. Ok the Bulldogs are a great team and the Steers have their hands full and they know it but to take a line that has been use so many times "It's not the size of the Steer in the fight its the size of fight in the Steer". People been saying all year they can't but somehow they find a way! "I have my eyes on the Steers the Steers of Old Graham High!"

One question, how did you end up losing to Brownwood. Honest question.

LawDog

12-14-2009, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by hookandladder
One question, how did you end up losing to Brownwood. Honest question.

We lost to Brownwood because they were the better team that day. But this is not that day. It matters little at this level (State Final) what happened. I only know that Graham is hungry for their first title and Carthage better not take these Young Men as pushovers. We got here through a though road as did they. Lets play football.

LawDog

12-14-2009, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
Well now you've gone and done it!!! Your ruined, that first post is like CRACK, one post and then your hooked, hopelessly addicted. It's not too late, stop now while there is still a chance, just say NO!!!

GO GRAHAM STEERS !!!!!!! BRING THE RING!!!!!!!

Hooked is right!!! I’m losing weight and teeth as we speak.

LawDog

12-14-2009, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by hookandladder
Every team needs loyal fans and I commend you for that however you cannot compare Carthage to Wimberley,Borger or Monahans, those teams are not in the same league. I have seen Cuero play and they came closer to beating Gilmer then anyone this year and Cuero was the real deal this year also.What I am saying is my vote is that Carthage is better then both of them and will beat Graham by 2 or 3 TD's.

I don’t believe I was comparing Carthage to anyone. I was simply stating that every game people say Graham can’t win but they do.

N4SIR

12-14-2009, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by txsfootball4lif
I will be at the Carthage game for sure Saturday, you should come to the m&g. Always good to put some faces with names.

Where is the Albany game at?
The Albany game will be played at 2 PM in Mansfield at Newsome Stadium. This is where Graham and Pittsburg played. Very nice facility with plenty of parking and easy to get to. As for the M&G, will have to play that by ear. Depends on if it's before the game or at halftime. I may not be able to get to SMU for kickoff. Will depend on what happens in Albany game.

Steer81

12-14-2009, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by hookandladder
One question, how did you end up losing to Brownwood. Honest question.

Many factors in that loss but the Steers learned from that and been blasting teams since.

Z-RO

12-14-2009, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by hookandladder
One question, how did you end up losing to Brownwood. Honest question.

Much simplier answer: Like 10 dropped passes, 2 for sure TD's.

Rustler

12-14-2009, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by Z-RO
Much simplier answer: Like 10 dropped passes, 2 for sure TD's. Glad you can give such a simple answer:confused:

1. For some reason Graham didnt punish a certain receiver from Brownwood????????:confused:

2. Out Coached???

3. Didn't, Chose not to kick a field goal?????

4. Graham ran the ball well when they called run plays????

5. Didn't block on an extra point?????

6. Graham didnt play the first half???

7. Brownwood played harder???

8. ETC

9. ETC

:hand: NO NOT TWO DROPPED PASSES:hand:

ZERO you must have been under some influence......IF you even watched the game.

garciap77

12-14-2009, 10:11 AM

Z-RO

12-14-2009, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Rustler
Glad you can give such a simple answer:confused:

1. For some reason Graham didnt punish a certain receiver from Brownwood????????:confused:

2. Out Coached???

3. Didn't, Chose not to kick a field goal?????

4. Graham ran the ball well when they called run plays????

5. Didn't block on an extra point?????

6. Graham didnt play the first half???

7. Brownwood played harder???

8. ETC

9. ETC

:hand: NO NOT TWO DROPPED PASSES:hand:

ZERO you must have been under some influence......IF you even watched the game.

You just listed a long list of excuses when I made it real simple. If they catch those 2 passes in the endzone Graham wins. Were there other factors? Well of course, but like I stated it was a much simplier answer....Rustler I guess you have no reading comprehinsion skills?:confused:

Cameron Crazy

12-14-2009, 10:40 AM

What's the point to dwell upon games in the past?

Z-RO

12-14-2009, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Cameron Crazy
What's the point to dwell upon games in the past?

None :)

Now I want to hear how Carthage let Lorena hang around and almost pull off an upset.

Rustler

12-14-2009, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by Z-RO
You just listed a long list of excuses when I made it real simple. If they catch those 2 passes in the endzone Graham wins. Were there other factors? Well of course, but like I stated it was a much simplier answer....Rustler I guess you have no reading comprehinsion skills?:confused: Lets See...One Point Game.....Kick a field goal From inside the 15 (twice) win by two....excuses?????? Brownwood played harder....No excuse fact....Not punish or cover a reciever who had TD passes...No excuse just fact:hand: Getting an extra point blocked....Fact:hand: R:hand: Reading Comprehinsion Skills? Better than have no football understanding skills....10 passes or 2 TD passes dropped is a mere If and buts but NOT the Simplied Only Reason Brownwood beat Graham:hand: Simplify All you want.....Graham is still playing for a State Championship! Go District 2-3A not District Z-RO

Rustler

12-14-2009, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by Z-RO
None :)

Now I want to hear how Carthage let Lorena hang around and almost pull off an upset. You are right I should not let Z-RO's personal axe grinding stand in the way......Of Graham Playing for a State Championship. I apologies for responding to his simplified hidden agenda:( I will give him last word and move on for the good of District 2-3A and forget District Z-RO.:wave:

Z-RO

12-14-2009, 11:02 AM

Dude what the hell are you talking about? What hidden agenda do I have? So you’re telling me if those 2 passes are caught Graham doesn’t win? I have admitted it wasn’t the only reason why, but if they catch those passes it is a different ball game.

Why wouldn’t I want Graham to do good and win? There is a kid on the team that I have known since he was about 2 years old, and my buddy has another kid on the team. :confused:

PLEASE tell me what hidden agenda I have!

garciap77

12-14-2009, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by txsfootball4lif
Parking is the biggest issue with this stadium. People atleast add an hour to your travel time for traffic , many Wylie folks last night were stuck in traffic and didn't get to the game until almost half time. Otherwise it is easy to find, just stay on 30 until exit 46 to merge on US-75 N toward McKinney, then exit 3 toward Mockingbird Ln. I just parked in the covered parking area, it was worth $20 to me.

Leaving the game will be another traffic jam too!

Food for sale at the game:

Hotdogs............$4.00
Popcorn............$4.00
Small pizza........$8.00
Pretzel...............$4.00
Drinks.................$4.00

There was something for $3.00, but I can't remember what it was!

As you are coming in to the gate they have two lines! One is for people not carrying bags and one for people carrying bags! All bags are checked. If you have any food or drink you are asked to leave on a table or take it back to your vehicle; including water! If you plan to have a R&M do it on the side opposite the score broad. Both endzone sitting is roped off!

wimbo_pro

12-14-2009, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Z-RO

PLEASE tell me what hidden agenda I have!

You are actually Rocket, in disguise.

LOLOL

Ranger Mom

12-14-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by garciap77
Leaving the game will be another traffic jam too!

Food for sale at the game:

Hotdogs............$4.00
Popcorn............$4.00
Small pizza........$8.00
Pretzel...............$4.00
Drinks.................$4.00

There was something for $3.00, but I can't remember what it was!

As you are coming in to the gate they have two lines! One is for people not carrying bags and one for people carrying bags! All bags are checked. If you have any food or drink you are asked to leave on a table or take it back to your vehicle; including water! If you plan to have a R&M do it on the side opposite the score broad. Both endzone sitting is roped off!

I know the candy was $3.00.....I bought a bag of M&M's and they must have been sitting there for 2 years....talk about STALE!!!!!

Z-RO

12-14-2009, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
You are actually Rocket, in disguise.

LOLOL

http://www.the-mainboard.com/forum/Smileys/default/killyoself.gif lol

Ragin Red

12-14-2009, 11:12 AM

Whew lots of :stirpot: going on. Just wanted to say as I have in the past, it doesn't matter. The STEERS have and will continue to play one game at a time. They don't have to be compared to anyone else, all they need to do is keep taking care of business like they have this whole season. These two teams will be very prepared no matter what, both have great coaching staffs that will have them all playing like champions that they are.
Good luck to both teams play hard and stay injury free.

Go Steers !!!!!
Expect to WIN, play to WIN STATE!!!!!!
A December to Remember !!!!!!!!!

THANKS STEERS FOR THIS GREAT SEASON CONTINUE ON IN ALL SPORTS THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:

NIJacket

12-14-2009, 11:40 AM

If Graham plays the way they did against Pittsburg, I have to go with Carthage. Thay were fortunate to come away with a win there, as sloppy as both teams played (considering they were in the semi-finals). No way to make that many mistakes and be favored. Gotta get the kicking game, that one almost cost it. Lots of turnovers, and don't even start on the referees, both sides had their share of god and bad. Bad snap for Pitt turned into the saving grace for Graham in the end. Just saying, at this level, if that's what it takes to win, you won't. Play your game, and maybe it'll be different. Play like that, no ring.
Carthage wins.

Rustler

12-14-2009, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by NIJacket
If Graham plays the way they did against Pittsburg, I have to go with Carthage. Thay were fortunate to come away with a win there, as sloppy as both teams played (considering they were in the semi-finals). No way to make that many mistakes and be favored. Gotta get the kicking game, that one almost cost it. Lots of turnovers, and don't even start on the referees, both sides had their share of god and bad. Bad snap for Pitt turned into the saving grace for Graham in the end. Just saying, at this level, if that's what it takes to win, you won't. Play your game, and maybe it'll be different. Play like that, no ring.
Carthage wins. :iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree: Graham Plays one of their better games and they Win a Ring

Rustler

12-14-2009, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Z-RO
http://www.the-mainboard.com/forum/Smileys/default/killyoself.gif lol :1popcorn: :1popcorn: :clap: :clap: Inmate Boss and I will sell tickets:D

oldtownag

12-14-2009, 12:12 PM

Do you hear it Graham? Its coming!

Rustler

12-14-2009, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by oldtownag
Do you hear it Graham? Its coming! Santa Claus? Sleigh Bells? Yes hear the sleigh loading at the North Pole. Other than hearing that only:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: Go Graham

Ragin Red

12-14-2009, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by oldtownag
Do you hear it Graham? Its coming!

Yea, I hear the Ring of GRAHAM STEERS STATE CHAMPS
The only other thing I hear is alot of hot air. You know there was a time when ya'll were going for your first state championship, Graham will be ready and only ring you might here is the bell at the end of the game. Good luck to both teams.......

The real question is do you hear it? It's coming STEER STAMPEDE!!!!!!

A December to Remember!!!!!!
Bring the Ring !!!!!!!!
One game at time 2009!!!!!!

Bullaholic

12-14-2009, 02:01 PM

Where's Aunt Ester this season? With Carthage in the title hunt again, I felt she would be all over these game threads.

DaHop72

12-14-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Rustler
Santa Claus? Sleigh Bells? Yes hear the sleigh loading at the North Pole. Other than hearing that only:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: Go Graham :thinking: :thinking: For someone who keeps telling me that they are just a casual football fan that just keeps up you sure to apprear do be a Graham fan who just tries not to come out and admit it. :doh: Me, I'm a card carrying, t-shirt wearing, bandwagoner for my district brethren. Come on out of the closet Rustler and just admit you're a member of the Steer army. :p :p

wimbo_pro

12-14-2009, 04:42 PM

Rustler

12-14-2009, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by DaHop72
:thinking: :thinking: For someone who keeps telling me that they are just a casual football fan that just keeps up you sure to apprear do be a Graham fan who just tries not to come out and admit it. :doh: Me, I'm a card carrying, t-shirt wearing, bandwagoner for my district brethren. Come on out of the closet Rustler and just admit you're a member of the Steer army. :p :p Closet......I dont even keep my clothes or shoes in a closet.......Just trying to help Graham fight off the "Do you hear Santa Claus Coming" Carthage Puppys:hand: Da Hop I think Wimbo_pro said it best.........Da Hop FOCUS CARTHAGE is the enemy....Stay Focused for a few more days

Inmateboss

12-14-2009, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by hookandladder
Most people know how good Gilmer was this year, I am saying Carthage in my eyes after seeing Cuero and Gilmer play is better then both of them 2 teams. That will not bold well for your Steers, Carthage is like a small college team.Words from my son on the field.

Hearing the same thing from different places! But thats ok, someone loses in every fight. Were going to backup into the RED corner and when they ring the bell we are coming out with the intent to kick some major A$$ !! If we wind up being out gunned, so be it!! We've had our butts kicked before, and will again someday! There is always going to be someone bigger and badder, this may be the day Carthage finds that out!!! The Graham Steers are coming to fight, we want the Prize!!! Carthage is going to have to take it, thats the only way they can have it!!!

GO GRAHAM STEERS " BRING THE RING" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Inmateboss

12-14-2009, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by N4SIR
The Albany game will be played at 2 PM in Mansfield at Newsome Stadium. This is where Graham and Pittsburg played. Very nice facility with plenty of parking and easy to get to. As for the M&G, will have to play that by ear. Depends on if it's before the game or at halftime. I may not be able to get to SMU for kickoff. Will depend on what happens in Albany game.

Very nice people, but they are not real keen on inter mingling between sides!!!

LawDog

12-14-2009, 05:51 PM

Ok Carthage I wanted to know what teams ya’ll have played this year that were great teams? The two teams that made the playoffs from your district were Center (7-3) and Jasper (8-2) right? Center got beat in the second round and Jasper in Bi-District. Now Graham played Wylie (8-1 and in Div. 1 State Final Game), and Brownwood (8-1) who went 3 deep in the playoffs (Can you say toughest district in 3A). I keep seeing ya’ll being compared to Gilmer but I don’t see where ya’ll have played them???:rolleyes:

LawDog

12-14-2009, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
Hearing the same thing from different places! But thats ok, someone loses in every fight. Were going to backup into the RED corner and when they ring the bell we are coming out with the intent to kick some major A$$ !! If we wind up being out gunned, so be it!! We've had our butts kicked before, and will again someday! There is always going to be someone bigger and badder, this may be the day Carthage finds that out!!! The Graham Steers are coming to fight, we want the Prize!!! Carthage is going to have to take it, thats the only way they can have it!!!

GO GRAHAM STEERS " BRING THE RING" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Well said my friend. Well said!!!

Inmateboss

12-14-2009, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by oldtownag
Do you hear it Graham? Its coming!

What a dog fart???:eek: :eek:

Inmateboss

12-14-2009, 06:02 PM

LawDog

12-14-2009, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by hookandladder
Most people know how good Gilmer was this year, I am saying Carthage in my eyes after seeing Cuero and Gilmer play is better then both of them 2 teams. That will not bold well for your Steers, Carthage is like a small college team.Words from my son on the field.

So you know Carthage is a small college in Wisconsin and ya'll are not them. Here is there website if you want to see what a small college team is about.
http://athletics.carthage.edu/index.aspx?path=football
And I see you comparing to Cuero and Gilmer but I still don't see where ya'll played them or any team like them? Just asking?:confused:

oldtownag

12-14-2009, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by LawDog
Ok Carthage I wanted to know what teams ya’ll have played this year that were great teams? The two teams that made the playoffs from your district were Center (7-3) and Jasper (8-2) right? Center got beat in the second round and Jasper in Bi-District. Now Graham played Wylie (8-1 and in Div. 1 State Final Game), and Brownwood (8-1) who went 3 deep in the playoffs (Can you say toughest district in 3A). I keep seeing ya’ll being compared to Gilmer but I don’t see where ya’ll have played them???:rolleyes:

1st I never compared Carthage to Gilmer. Carthage is better than Gilmer.

We basically played 2 district schedules. 1st was 14-4A where we went 4-0. Next was 18-3A where we went 5-0. Then came the playoffs where we are 5-0. Honestly, I don't think wins over Wylie and Brownwood are that impressive.

wimbo_pro

12-14-2009, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by oldtownag
Honestly, I don't think wins over Wylie and Brownwood are that impressive.

If you don't think a win over Abilene Wylie is an impressive accomplishment in 2009, then I am not so sure your assessment of this match-up carries much weight in the world of Texas 3A football.

No offense...but I mean...come on!

LawDog

12-14-2009, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by oldtownag
1st I never compared Carthage to Gilmer. Carthage is better than Gilmer.

We basically played 2 district schedules. 1st was 14-4A where we went 4-0. Next was 18-3A where we went 5-0. Then came the playoffs where we are 5-0. Honestly, I don't think wins over Wylie and Brownwood are that impressive.

I never said you compared Carthage to Gilmer, I said I see it on the board (guilty conscience) and both of those districts are weak even the 4A teams ya’ll played. Read about them sometime. I still don't see who you played this year that was great?

txsfootball4lif

12-14-2009, 06:32 PM

HAHAHA geez, this M&G ought to be interesting.

Howdy

12-14-2009, 06:36 PM

I created this account just to write this message and probably wont ever type anything in response to anything anybody on this has to say

Ok so every student athlete on both football teams should be furious and embarrassed at both teams. What we have is a lot of people ( mostly adults) who are talking more trash than any body on the field has/will. You participate in childlike arguments about who is better. In some occasions you even start to argue about teams who are not even playing. No you are not stirring the pot you are just being immature. Stop acting like anything you say or do will affect either team it wont. You are only talking to each other and any trash talking should be reserved for the people who play for each team. You make wild predictions and childish crap talking and force the players to back it up for you. If you want to show each other how bad YOU want the team in your town to succeed punch each other in the face stop making kids back up what you say. Which ever team wins dont act like you has anything to do with it or tell a single person i told you so. It is a 50% chance no matter how many stats you look at. You have nothing to do with the game other than buy a ticket. Act like adults and encourage your kids not bicker at each other.

Both sides stop pretending your teams are the best ever ok its stupid. Graham do not be delusional and think that Mccoy is going to stay after this year..he wont. Thats why his wife stopped teaching at Graham he cant leave if she still is under contract. no she did not do it to be with the family more the only kid left in the house will graduate soon. Half of the people who are now fans didnt care until they won some playoff games anyway. I know nothing about carthage so all i can say about yall is let the TEAM play otherwise be quite.

now to defend myself. Like i said im not typing anything back in response so dont waste time insulting me.
1. yes i am from graham so dont act like a detective when you notice i said more about graham than carthage
2. yes i did play football stuff like this made me mad.
3. I dont care if i have numerous grammatical errors i wrote it once and dont care so call me dumb or ignorant , etc...
4. if you are trying to think of something to say to me i dont care so try your best for what ever great zinger you have im sure everyone online will think you are a just the coolest kid around.

in conclusion nobody knows who will win . stop whining and just walk who cares if the parking is bad. no other team matters so just talk about graham or carthage. Stop making kids back up this stupid trash talking you all do. peace i wish both teams good luck and to hell with everyone else

LawDog

12-14-2009, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
If you don't think a win over Abilene Wylie is an impressive accomplishment in 2009, then I am not so sure your assessment of this match-up carries much weight in the world of Texas 3A football.

No offense...but I mean...come on!

Wimbo_Pro RULES!!! :clap:

oldtownag

12-14-2009, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by LawDog
I never said you compared Carthage to Gilmer, I said I see it on the board (guilty conscience) and both of those districts are weak even the 4A teams ya’ll played. Read about them sometime. I still don't see who you played this year that was great?

Ok, you convinced me.

NateDawg39

12-14-2009, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Howdy
I created this account just to write this message and probably wont ever type anything in response to anything anybody on this has to say

Ok so every student athlete on both football teams should be furious and embarrassed at both teams. What we have is a lot of people ( mostly adults) who are talking more trash than any body on the field has/will. You participate in childlike arguments about who is better. In some occasions you even start to argue about teams who are not even playing. No you are not stirring the pot you are just being immature. Stop acting like anything you say or do will affect either team it wont. You are only talking to each other and any trash talking should be reserved for the people who play for each team. You make wild predictions and childish crap talking and force the players to back it up for you. If you want to show each other how bad YOU want the team in your town to succeed punch each other in the face stop making kids back up what you say. Which ever team wins dont act like you has anything to do with it or tell a single person i told you so. It is a 50% chance no matter how many stats you look at. You have nothing to do with the game other than buy a ticket. Act like adults and encourage your kids not bicker at each other.

Both sides stop pretending your teams are the best ever ok its stupid. Graham do not be delusional and think that Mccoy is going to stay after this year..he wont. Thats why his wife stopped teaching at Graham he cant leave if she still is under contract. no she did not do it to be with the family more the only kid left in the house will graduate soon. Half of the people who are now fans didnt care until they won some playoff games anyway. I know nothing about carthage so all i can say about yall is let the TEAM play otherwise be quite.

now to defend myself. Like i said im not typing anything back in response so dont waste time insulting me.
1. yes i am from graham so dont act like a detective when you notice i said more about graham than carthage
2. yes i did play football stuff like this made me mad.
3. I dont care if i have numerous grammatical errors i wrote it once and dont care so call me dumb or ignorant , etc...
4. if you are trying to think of something to say to me i dont care so try your best for what ever great zinger you have im sure everyone online will think you are a just the coolest kid around.

in conclusion nobody knows who will win . stop whining and just walk who cares if the parking is bad. no other team matters so just talk about graham or carthage. Stop making kids back up this stupid trash talking you all do. peace i wish both teams good luck and to hell with everyone else So yea, this is a forum site...based on the idea that we can post things and give opinions and all that good stuff. Unfortunately some things get out of hand, kinda like real life but if you would kindly step back and leave us to our opinions, that would be greeeeeeeeat

oldtownag

12-14-2009, 07:00 PM

I would like to point out that most of the trash talk is not being done by Carthage people. Heck, I am about the only Carthage fan on 3ADL.

That being said, everyone talking trash on behalf of Carthage is correct and I would like to thank them.:)

NateDawg39

12-14-2009, 07:16 PM

Deuce

12-14-2009, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Howdy
I created this account just to write this message and probably wont ever type anything in response to anything anybody on this has to say

Ok so every student athlete on both football teams should be furious and embarrassed at both teams. What we have is a lot of people ( mostly adults) who are talking more trash than any body on the field has/will. You participate in childlike arguments about who is better. In some occasions you even start to argue about teams who are not even playing. No you are not stirring the pot you are just being immature. Stop acting like anything you say or do will affect either team it wont. You are only talking to each other and any trash talking should be reserved for the people who play for each team. You make wild predictions and childish crap talking and force the players to back it up for you. If you want to show each other how bad YOU want the team in your town to succeed punch each other in the face stop making kids back up what you say. Which ever team wins dont act like you has anything to do with it or tell a single person i told you so. It is a 50% chance no matter how many stats you look at. You have nothing to do with the game other than buy a ticket. Act like adults and encourage your kids not bicker at each other.

Both sides stop pretending your teams are the best ever ok its stupid. Graham do not be delusional and think that Mccoy is going to stay after this year..he wont. Thats why his wife stopped teaching at Graham he cant leave if she still is under contract. no she did not do it to be with the family more the only kid left in the house will graduate soon. Half of the people who are now fans didnt care until they won some playoff games anyway. I know nothing about carthage so all i can say about yall is let the TEAM play otherwise be quite.

now to defend myself. Like i said im not typing anything back in response so dont waste time insulting me.
1. yes i am from graham so dont act like a detective when you notice i said more about graham than carthage
2. yes i did play football stuff like this made me mad.
3. I dont care if i have numerous grammatical errors i wrote it once and dont care so call me dumb or ignorant , etc...
4. if you are trying to think of something to say to me i dont care so try your best for what ever great zinger you have im sure everyone online will think you are a just the coolest kid around.

in conclusion nobody knows who will win . stop whining and just walk who cares if the parking is bad. no other team matters so just talk about graham or carthage. Stop making kids back up this stupid trash talking you all do. peace i wish both teams good luck and to hell with everyone else

Were just supporting our team, now go away. Your probably one of our fans that gets mad because we are all standing the whole game raising cane in support of our boys, while you sit on your tail and moan because you cant see the game!

NateDawg39

12-14-2009, 07:26 PM

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/vivalatwosday/david_hemmings.jpg

Hes the guy who introduced the battle of Carthage in gladiator :)

txsfootball4lif

12-14-2009, 07:38 PM

You "NEW" posters just better watch out cause you are thw one who looks like a fool when you fall for their traps! Just watch if id you guys still want to be members of this wonderful board by the end of the week.:D

Deuce

12-14-2009, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by txsfootball4lif
You "NEW" posters just better watch out cause you are thw one who looks like a fool when you fall for their traps! Just watch if id you guys still want to be members of this wonderful board by the end of the week.:D

Will take this under advisement! Especially since you have been here for a whole 2 weeks.

NateDawg39

12-14-2009, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Deuce
Will take this under advisement! Especially since you have been here for a whole 2 weeks. I remember my first day here... back then we had some Gainsville Leotard fans but they have moved on I suppose

garciap77

12-14-2009, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
SHUT UP DAHOP!!!!

SHUT UP WIMBO!!!

ccmom

12-14-2009, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Deuce
Will take this under advisement! Especially since you have been here for a whole 2 weeks.

Under that name he has....:thinking:

garciap77

12-14-2009, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by oldtownag
1st I never compared Carthage to Gilmer. Carthage is better than Gilmer.

We basically played 2 district schedules. 1st was 14-4A where we went 4-0. Next was 18-3A where we went 5-0. Then came the playoffs where we are 5-0. Honestly, I don't think wins over Wylie and Brownwood are that impressive.

Gilmer is way better than Carthage! And so is Cuero, Lovejoy, Prosper, Navasota, and of course the Mighty Chico Dragons! I don't think wins over any of the teams you have played are that impressive especially the 4A teams you played, looks more like a weak schedule to me!:D

;)

wimbo_pro

12-14-2009, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Howdy
...and to hell with everyone else

Just when I was beginning to like this guy, he pops off and lumps us all in one big pile of poop.

garciap77

12-14-2009, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Deuce
Will take this under advisement! Especially since you have been here for a whole 2 weeks.

He has been here for a long time, Deuce! Careful! Here knows all about being banned!:D

Deuce

12-14-2009, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by garciap77
He has been here for a long time, Deuce! Careful! Here knows all about being banned!:D

Well if he has been banned once, how did he get to come back under a different user name. HMM, thought that wasnt allowed. Just like earlier in the thread when I was called an idiot, thought that wasnt allowed either.

garciap77

12-14-2009, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by IHStangFan
I'm taking Carthage in this one by 10.

I'm taking Graham in this one by 20.

garciap77

12-14-2009, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by Deuce
Well if he has been banned once, how did he get to come back under a different user name. HMM, thought that wasnt allowed. Just like earlier in the thread when I was called an idiot, thought that wasnt allowed either.

Of course it's not allowed, but have you not "read" here on the 3ADL that the MODs are a bunch of Pansies?:D

;)

Golfdock

12-14-2009, 09:00 PM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by txsfootball4lif
You "NEW" posters just better watch out cause you are thw one who looks like a fool when you fall for their traps! Just watch if id you guys still want to be members of this wonderful board by the end of the week.

You are correct. I'm embarressed that I joined. I thought It would be about football. I will not be back.

Z-RO

12-14-2009, 09:06 PM

Hey Rustler I still want to know what my hidden agenda is....just saying.:thinking:

:crazy:

Tromboneking

12-14-2009, 09:11 PM

This is by no means a knock on Carthage, but I was looking at thier football schedule and results. They did have some blowouts against weaker teams, but they had a couple of closer games too. Looks like they beat Henderson by 1 point. This kinda tells me that a good defense can give them some problems....

Graham has the one of the best I have ever seen at the HS level. Do not take the Steers lightly.....

wimbo_pro

12-14-2009, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by Tromboneking

Graham has the one of the best I have ever seen at the HS level. Do not take the Steers lightly.....

How many points have they allowed this year per game?

garciap77

12-14-2009, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by Tromboneking
This is by no means a knock on Carthage, but I was looking at thier football schedule and results. They did have some blowouts against weaker teams, but they had a couple of closer games too. Looks like they beat Henderson by 1 point. This kinda tells me that a good defense can give them some problems....

Graham has the one of the best I have ever seen at the HS level. Do not take the Steers lightly.....

Henderson is a weak 4A team! They only won 2 games in their district!

LawDog

12-14-2009, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
How many points have they allowed this year per game?

Including Playoffs Graham D has allowed 15pts Avg.

wimbo_pro

12-14-2009, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by LawDog
Including Playoffs Graham D has allowed 15pts Avg.

not bad...but not eye-popping.

LawDog

12-14-2009, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
not bad...but not eye-popping.

I agree:)

Both team are evenly matched when it comes to stats

Points Scored: Graham Avg. 35 – Carthage Avg. 37
Points Allowed: Graham Avg. 15 – Carthage Avg. 16
Avg. Points Margin: Graham 19 – Carthage 20

The game will be a great one!

LawDog

12-14-2009, 10:03 PM

And my post above also shows why it is important who and how tough the schedlue was. Those stats for Graham are after playing Wylie, Brownwood, Monahans and Wimberly (Great Teams)

Inmateboss

12-14-2009, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by txsfootball4lif
HAHAHA geez, this M&G ought to be interesting.

Don't know about everyone else but I'm packing heat!!! :eek: :eek:

wimbo_pro

12-14-2009, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by LawDog
And my post above also shows why it is important who and how tough the schedlue was. Those stats for Graham are after playing Wylie, Brownwood, Monahans and Wimberly (Great Teams)

I gotcha, LawDog. though I have already expressed my support for Graham, I have read all the stats and tried to look at the "numbers" from a neutral point of view, being someone who has not personally seen either team play. I have read all these posts (wish I wouldn't have read some of em, I gotta tell ya..), and tried to form my own opinion with all the other info out there, both biased and unbiased.

Based on the above...it's my view that neither team is a run-away favorite. Both have strengths and weaknesses (as small as they might be), and both are capable of winning this game. Certainly, both deserve to be in this game. I don't know how anyone can argue this fact.

With this said, I am going with Graham. I know Carthage has the "know how" to put this game away, being that they know how to win this level of a game. They are a proven champion, and I tip my hat to them. But there just seems to me to be something "in the air" about Graham. Yes, I might be fooling myself and have talked myself into this opinion....I admit that. But I don't think so. I really think Graham will win this one.

Inmateboss

12-14-2009, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Howdy
I created this account just to write this message and probably wont ever type anything in response to anything anybody on this has to say

Ok so every student athlete on both football teams should be furious and embarrassed at both teams. What we have is a lot of people ( mostly adults) who are talking more trash than any body on the field has/will. You participate in childlike arguments about who is better. In some occasions you even start to argue about teams who are not even playing. No you are not stirring the pot you are just being immature. Stop acting like anything you say or do will affect either team it wont. You are only talking to each other and any trash talking should be reserved for the people who play for each team. You make wild predictions and childish crap talking and force the players to back it up for you. If you want to show each other how bad YOU want the team in your town to succeed punch each other in the face stop making kids back up what you say. Which ever team wins dont act like you has anything to do with it or tell a single person i told you so. It is a 50% chance no matter how many stats you look at. You have nothing to do with the game other than buy a ticket. Act like adults and encourage your kids not bicker at each other.

Both sides stop pretending your teams are the best ever ok its stupid. Graham do not be delusional and think that Mccoy is going to stay after this year..he wont. Thats why his wife stopped teaching at Graham he cant leave if she still is under contract. no she did not do it to be with the family more the only kid left in the house will graduate soon. Half of the people who are now fans didnt care until they won some playoff games anyway. I know nothing about carthage so all i can say about yall is let the TEAM play otherwise be quite.

now to defend myself. Like i said im not typing anything back in response so dont waste time insulting me.
1. yes i am from graham so dont act like a detective when you notice i said more about graham than carthage
2. yes i did play football stuff like this made me mad.
3. I dont care if i have numerous grammatical errors i wrote it once and dont care so call me dumb or ignorant , etc...
4. if you are trying to think of something to say to me i dont care so try your best for what ever great zinger you have im sure everyone online will think you are a just the coolest kid around.

in conclusion nobody knows who will win . stop whining and just walk who cares if the parking is bad. no other team matters so just talk about graham or carthage. Stop making kids back up this stupid trash talking you all do. peace i wish both teams good luck and to hell with everyone else

Well I guess that just about does it! You chose to come on here and chastise all the posters that choose to be on here! This forum is just like a PHONE CALL, if you don't like it, HANG UP!!

garciap77

12-14-2009, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
Well I guess that just about does it! You chose to come on here and chastise all the posters that choose to be on here! This forum is just like a PHONE CALL, if you don't like it, HANG UP!!

Or say, "Howdy"! Is this one of your boys from the job?:D

I pack all the time!:D

Go Graham!!! Bring back the state title!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Inmateboss

12-14-2009, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by oldtownag
I would like to point out that most of the trash talk is not being done by Carthage people. Heck, I am about the only Carthage fan on 3ADL.

That being said, everyone talking trash on behalf of Carthage is correct and I would like to thank them.:)

I don't feel it is trash talking as long as it does not use proper names, and get personal. Talking your team up, or the team you want to win is fine, not all relatives that support a team live in the same town. Yes I get bent out of shape sometimes but it comes from my passion for my team, My son is a freshman and not in this hunt, but i'm as big a fan as anyone else. I might even join the Booster club. Member ships are only $25.00 and they meet on monday nights, food is provided !!! IMO :thinking:

oldtownag

12-14-2009, 10:38 PM

Ok, here is the deal. Graham must be a great team because they would not be here otherwise. Carthage has won 28 games in a row. No matter the competition that is tuff to do. The way I see it we are the Champs until someone knocks us out. So line up Graham and take your shot. You can bet you will get our best.
:tongue:

Inmateboss

12-14-2009, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by txsfootball4lif
You "NEW" posters just better watch out cause you are thw one who looks like a fool when you fall for their traps! Just watch if id you guys still want to be members of this wonderful board by the end of the week.:D

What the hell are you trying to say????

It's called proof reading, then push submit reply, still don't look right? Push the little edit button, and fix it!!!:confused:

Inmateboss

12-14-2009, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by ccmom
Under that name he has....:thinking:

FOUL !!!!! I think we should have to put our pics on here, no more of this sneaking up on us good honest posters!!!:mad: :eek: :D

Inmateboss

12-14-2009, 10:51 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by garciap77
[B]Of course it's not allowed, but have you not "read" here on the 3ADL that the MODs are a bunch of Pansies?:D

OH LORD, you have gone and done it now!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

wimbo_pro

12-14-2009, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
FOUL !!!!! I think we should have to put our pics on here, no more of this sneaking up on us good honest posters!!!:mad: :eek: :D

Agreed. Here is Rocket's pic. He is in the front row. That's DaHop in the back.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll64/buse_6/367.jpg

Tromboneking

12-14-2009, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
How many points have they allowed this year per game?

I am glad you asked...here are some interesting stats.....

Carthage on Offense: 564 points scored
Graham:534

Cathage on Defense: 251 points allowed.
Graham: 236 allowed...

Looks pretty even to me..yes Carthage has more points scored by 30....but Graham has given up 30 less points...

Should be a slobber knocker....

garciap77

12-14-2009, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
What the hell are you trying to say????

It's called proof reading, then push submit reply, still don't look right? Push the little edit button, and fix it!!!:confused:

Easy Inmateboss! I think he is the one hosting your G&M unless someone else steps up!:D

GO GRAHAM!!!!

P.S. Where is Daddy D! Did you guys run him off?:D

wimbo_pro

12-14-2009, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by garciap77

P.S. Where is Daddy D! Did you guys run him off?:D

He is in the middle of finals. I was going to chastise him if he was back on here like he was on the weekend...he needs to be studying!

garciap77

12-14-2009, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Agreed. Here is Rocket's pic. He is in the front row. That's DaHop in the back.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll64/buse_6/367.jpg

Shut up Wimpy!:D

:p

;)

garciap77

12-14-2009, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
He is in the middle of finals. I was going to chastise him if he was back on here like he was on the weekend...he needs to be studying!

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

LE Dad

12-14-2009, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by garciap77
I'm taking Graham in this one by 20. Carthage by :thinking:

Hmmmm:thinking:

A bunch :D

:D

garciap77

12-14-2009, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by LE Dad
Carthage by :thinking:

Hmmmm:thinking:

A bunch :D

:D

What's up LE DAD!!!:D

Tromboneking

12-14-2009, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
not bad...but not eye-popping.

Really? We held Wylie to 10, Wimberly to 7..some good teams.

Whatever happens.....I am so proud of the kids from Graham. First state game in school history.. Win or lose...they have proven themselves to be a great football team.

LE Dad

12-14-2009, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by garciap77
What's up LE DAD!!!:D :thumbsup: Been out of pocket with some family issues since Thursday:( Did I miss anything:confused: :confused:

garciap77

12-14-2009, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by LE Dad
:thumbsup: Been out of pocket with some family issues since Thursday:( Did I miss anything:confused: :confused:

Look here http://bigcountryhomepage.com/content/sports_connection_wylie_2009 :(

wimbo_pro

12-14-2009, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Tromboneking
Really? We held Wylie to 10, Wimberly to 7..some good teams.

Whatever happens.....I am so proud of the kids from Graham. First state game in school history.. Win or lose...they have proven themselves to be a great football team.

What I mean by "eye popping" is compared to really, really good defenses of past champions. Others can testify to their teams stats, but Wimberley's number in '05 was less than 10 points a game.

And if I am not mistaken, Dangerfield in their day was less than 10 points all season!!!!

Inmateboss

12-14-2009, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by oldtownag
Ok, here is the deal. Graham must be a great team because they would not be here otherwise. Carthage has won 28 games in a row. No matter the competition that is tuff to do. The way I see it we are the Champs until someone knocks us out. So line up Graham and take your shot. You can bet you will get our best.
:tongue:

Thank you! We wouldn't want it any other way!!!Ya'll are the Champs!! And have a great record regardless of who you have played!!! Ya'll are on top, and we are going to do our best to knock you off!! Not because we think ya'll don't deserve to be there, it's just that we fought hard to get here and we think we would like the view from up there better. If ya'll can keep it, more power to you!! If not we won it fair and square!! Either way it's going to be a fight to the finish!!!!

GO GRAHAM STEERS !!!! BRING THE RING !!!!

LE Dad

12-14-2009, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by garciap77
Look here http://bigcountryhomepage.com/content/sports_connection_wylie_2009 :(

:eek: :eek: :eek:

jbone68

12-14-2009, 11:31 PM

McCoy will be on his back more than he is standing..

Inmateboss

12-14-2009, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by jbone68
McCoy will be on his back more than he is standing..

He's good but not that good!! I think Carthage will be harder to beat than that!! He'll just have to rest after the game!!!:p

jbone68

12-14-2009, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
He's good but not that good!! I think Carthage will be harder to beat than that!! He'll just have to rest after the game!!!:p

Its funny you guys give Carthage no chance to win. Will you be back for your Crow soup?

Ranger Mom

12-15-2009, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by Deuce
Well if he has been banned once, how did he get to come back under a different user name. HMM, thought that wasnt allowed. Just like earlier in the thread when I was called an idiot, thought that wasnt allowed either.

We don't always automatically know that it's a previous "bannee"....and, if they seemed to have learned their lesson, we give them a short leash.

We can't possibly read every single word of every single thread, so unless something is reported, we don't always catch it....now that being said, I haven't checked my email in a few days and if it WAS reported, I didn't see it...my bad!!

Ranger Mom

12-15-2009, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Howdy
I created this account just to write this message and probably wont ever type anything in response to anything anybody on this has to say

Ok so every student athlete on both football teams should be furious and embarrassed at both teams. What we have is a lot of people ( mostly adults) who are talking more trash than any body on the field has/will. You participate in childlike arguments about who is better. In some occasions you even start to argue about teams who are not even playing. No you are not stirring the pot you are just being immature. Stop acting like anything you say or do will affect either team it wont. You are only talking to each other and any trash talking should be reserved for the people who play for each team. You make wild predictions and childish crap talking and force the players to back it up for you. If you want to show each other how bad YOU want the team in your town to succeed punch each other in the face stop making kids back up what you say. Which ever team wins dont act like you has anything to do with it or tell a single person i told you so. It is a 50% chance no matter how many stats you look at. You have nothing to do with the game other than buy a ticket. Act like adults and encourage your kids not bicker at each other.

Both sides stop pretending your teams are the best ever ok its stupid. Graham do not be delusional and think that Mccoy is going to stay after this year..he wont. Thats why his wife stopped teaching at Graham he cant leave if she still is under contract. no she did not do it to be with the family more the only kid left in the house will graduate soon. Half of the people who are now fans didnt care until they won some playoff games anyway. I know nothing about carthage so all i can say about yall is let the TEAM play otherwise be quite.

now to defend myself. Like i said im not typing anything back in response so dont waste time insulting me.
1. yes i am from graham so dont act like a detective when you notice i said more about graham than carthage
2. yes i did play football stuff like this made me mad.
3. I dont care if i have numerous grammatical errors i wrote it once and dont care so call me dumb or ignorant , etc...
4. if you are trying to think of something to say to me i dont care so try your best for what ever great zinger you have im sure everyone online will think you are a just the coolest kid around.

in conclusion nobody knows who will win . stop whining and just walk who cares if the parking is bad. no other team matters so just talk about graham or carthage. Stop making kids back up this stupid trash talking you all do. peace i wish both teams good luck and to hell with everyone else

Are you FOR REAL???

I think your "closing" line was WAY out of line!!!!:mad:

I hope you don't EVER come back and post again personally!!!

Inmateboss

12-15-2009, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by jbone68
Its funny you guys give Carthage no chance to win. Will you be back for your Crow soup?

Nope!!!Crow soup, sucks!!! I have eaten some crow pie before, but it don't taste much better than the soup!! I, have not said Carthage has no chance to win, they do have a chance to win! I support the Graham Steers and will never say WE don't!!! Carthage supporters are the ones that are saying we should throw in the towel, and basically just roll over and pee on the turf and quit wasting ya'lls time!!! Well that ain't happening!! Were coming to take the the last "W" of the year in football, if ya'll can keep us from taking it, you will be the better team, and we'll be the first team to say it!!! But when we win, I don't want you to eat crow, or any of that woulda, shoulda, coulda Crap, I just want you guys to say who the better team is!!!!

Inmateboss

12-15-2009, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
We don't always automatically know that it's a previous "bannee"....and, if they seemed to have learned their lesson, we give them a short leash.

We can't possibly read every single word of every single thread, so unless something is reported, we don't always catch it....now that being said, I haven't checked my email in a few days and if it WAS reported, I didn't see it...my bad!!

Ya'll are doing a fine job, and don't miss much!!! We try and fly one under the radar every once in a while. But get caught and wash our mouths out with soap, and behave! It's the heat of passion sometime that gets the best of us. Ya'll run a pretty tight ship, so thanks for the job ya'll do, and time ya'll spend doing it!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Rustler

12-15-2009, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Howdy
I created this account just to write this message and probably wont ever type anything in response to anything anybody on this has to say

Ok so every student athlete on both football teams should be furious and embarrassed at both teams. What we have is a lot of people ( mostly adults) who are talking more trash than any body on the field has/will. You participate in childlike arguments about who is better. In some occasions you even start to argue about teams who are not even playing. No you are not stirring the pot you are just being immature. Stop acting like anything you say or do will affect either team it wont. You are only talking to each other and any trash talking should be reserved for the people who play for each team. You make wild predictions and childish crap talking and force the players to back it up for you. If you want to show each other how bad YOU want the team in your town to succeed punch each other in the face stop making kids back up what you say. Which ever team wins dont act like you has anything to do with it or tell a single person i told you so. It is a 50% chance no matter how many stats you look at. You have nothing to do with the game other than buy a ticket. Act like adults and encourage your kids not bicker at each other.

Both sides stop pretending your teams are the best ever ok its stupid. Graham do not be delusional and think that Mccoy is going to stay after this year..he wont. Thats why his wife stopped teaching at Graham he cant leave if she still is under contract. no she did not do it to be with the family more the only kid left in the house will graduate soon. Half of the people who are now fans didnt care until they won some playoff games anyway. I know nothing about carthage so all i can say about yall is let the TEAM play otherwise be quite.

now to defend myself. Like i said im not typing anything back in response so dont waste time insulting me.
1. yes i am from graham so dont act like a detective when you notice i said more about graham than carthage
2. yes i did play football stuff like this made me mad.
3. I dont care if i have numerous grammatical errors i wrote it once and dont care so call me dumb or ignorant , etc...
4. if you are trying to think of something to say to me i dont care so try your best for what ever great zinger you have im sure everyone online will think you are a just the coolest kid around.

in conclusion nobody knows who will win . stop whining and just walk who cares if the parking is bad. no other team matters so just talk about graham or carthage. Stop making kids back up this stupid trash talking you all do. peace i wish both teams good luck and to hell with everyone else
HOWDY DUUUDEY............Just Man-up and answer one question.....If the site and post are immature and Childlike????How and Why did you ever find the site and waste your time to post? Your assumptions are sooo wrong i wont waste the thread time to respond to them......As Inmate Boss posted..HANG-UP! OH almost forgot..IF you are from Graham your probably one of the ones complaining about somebody standing up in front of you at the game while you wear your Prada! Do us a favor....Put on your Prada and find an Opera to attend this Saturday night:hand:

ccmom

12-15-2009, 08:47 AM

The obvious question here is...Are there really people in Graham that wear Prada?? I wasn't aware that Prada was making coveralls now. I'm so behind the times!

garciap77

12-15-2009, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
Ya'll are doing a fine job, and don't miss much!!! We try and fly one under the radar every once in a while. But get caught and wash our mouths out with soap, and behave! It's the heat of passion sometime that gets the best of us. Ya'll run a pretty tight ship, so thanks for the job ya'll do, and time ya'll spend doing it!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

Deuce

12-15-2009, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by LE Dad
:thumbsup: Been out of pocket with some family issues since Thursday:( Did I miss anything:confused: :confused:

You missed Pitt getting beat by Graham. I wasn't sure what your prediction was on that game. Could you remind me. LOL!!!

DaHop72

12-15-2009, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Rustler
Closet......I dont even keep my clothes or shoes in a closet.......Just trying to help Graham fight off the "Do you hear Santa Claus Coming" Carthage Puppys:hand: Da Hop I think Wimbo_pro said it best.........Da Hop FOCUS CARTHAGE is the enemy....Stay Focused for a few more days :taunt: :taunt: :taunt: :taunt: :D :D

Deuce

12-15-2009, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by jbone68
Its funny you guys give Carthage no chance to win. Will you be back for your Crow soup?

You should probably go back and read some of the first posts. Many Graham fans including myself have said that Carthage are the defending champs until we can prove otherwise. Both teams deserve to be here, and no one can argue that.

garciap77

12-15-2009, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by DaHop72
:taunt: :taunt: :taunt: :taunt: :D :D

Hop you going to the game? What size shirt do you think Black Magic wears!

DaHop72

12-15-2009, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
SHUT UP DAHOP!!!! :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: What's up loser. :devil: :devil:

Rustler

12-15-2009, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by DaHop72
:taunt: :taunt: :taunt: :taunt: :D :D
Is that Tiger Talk for "I will get focused"?:thinking:

Rustler

12-15-2009, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by DaHop72
:tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: What's up loser. :devil: :devil:
:clap: Wimbo_Pro......He is out of his Prescription.....3 Deep in Texas Football playoffs is not a Loser in the Webster Addition I have:clap:

Deuce

12-15-2009, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by ccmom
The obvious question here is...Are there really people in Graham that wear Prada?? I wasn't aware that Prada was making coveralls now. I'm so behind the times!

Why of course there are, their the ones that set down the whole game and cry because most people are standing up the whole game! I think Carhardt is partnering with Prada now!!

Rustler

12-15-2009, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by Deuce
Why of course there are, their the ones that set down the whole game and cry because most people are standing up the whole game! I think Carhardt is partnering with Prada now!!
:ditto: However from what I am told they are sure trying to get in the driver seat of the bandwagon now that Graham has advanced........Better Late than never:clap:

wimbo_pro

12-15-2009, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Rustler
:clap: Wimbo_Pro......He is out of his Prescription.....3 Deep in Texas Football playoffs is not a Loser in the Webster Addition I have:clap:

Nawwww...he didnt mean the Wimberley Texans. He wouldnt be such a mean person. He meant me personally.

Hey....wait a minute.....

MamaBull

12-15-2009, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by LawDog
Including Playoffs Graham D has allowed 15pts Avg.
bridgeport scored 48 and 23.:D :D :D

Deuce

12-15-2009, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by MamaBull
bridgeport scored 48 and 23.:D :D :D

But we scored more! LOL. JK, yall were very good.

Bullaholic

12-15-2009, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Deuce
But we scored more! LOL. JK, yall were very good.

How is it always said, Deuce...."Wait until next year". :D ---but in the Bulls' case, I can't wait---but this moment belongs to the Steers, what a great moment for all you Graham folks----this is YOUR time.

Deuce

12-15-2009, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Bullaholic
How is it always said, Deuce...."Wait until next year". :D ---but in the Bulls' case, I can't wait---but this moment belongs to the Steers, what a great moment for all you Graham folks----this is YOUR time.

Yeah, I have not seen this much excitement in Graham since we made the high school baseball tournament in 1992. The whole town was going crazy then, and is doing the same now!

wimbo_pro

12-15-2009, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Deuce
Yeah, I have not seen this much excitement in Graham since we made the high school baseball tournament in 1992. The whole town was going crazy then, and is doing the same now!

Thats the beauty of making the finals. We found that the excitement and "buzz" that the town has is best during this week, the week leading up to the big game...and we won state too! It's just the anticipation and the thrill is so high during this week, like walking on clouds. I bet LHPM and others would agree...this is the best week for you guys EVER! Win or lose, it doesnt get any better than this. Congrats!!!

Ragin Red

12-15-2009, 01:00 PM

Would like to say Thanks to the posters that have and are pulling for the STEERS this weekend:clap: :clap: :clap: This is a very special time for these young men and we as a town are very proud of all that they have accomplished. We will continue to support them in all their achievements throughout the rest of the school year and beyond for those we know personally.

Thank You STEERS again for this excitement that ya'll have infused into this community.

GO STEERS!!!!!!!
STEERS Win State for yourselves and for the community!!!!!!!
Bring it HOME.........
Expect to Win, Play to Win.............
A December to Remember.........Thanks!!!!!!!

go blue 64

12-15-2009, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Ragin Red
Would like to say Thanks to the posters that have and are pulling for the STEERS this weekend:clap: :clap: :clap: This is a very special time for these young men and we as a town are very proud of all that they have accomplished. We will continue to support them in all their achievements throughout the rest of the school year and beyond for those we know personally.

Thank You STEERS again for this excitement that ya'll have infused into this community.

GO STEERS!!!!!!!
STEERS Win State for yourselves and for the community!!!!!!!
Bring it HOME.........
Expect to Win, Play to Win.............
A December to Remember.........Thanks!!!!!!! :iagree:

go blue 64

12-15-2009, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by MamaBull
bridgeport scored 48 and 23.:D :D :D

why are you trying to hurt our average.:) just kidding you have a great team.

go blue 64

12-15-2009, 01:20 PM

LawDog

12-15-2009, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by MamaBull
bridgeport scored 48 and 23.:D :D :D

15 allowed is the overall average. We allowed 0 points in some games. I by no means meant to imply we have kept every team to less than 15.

LawDog

12-15-2009, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Bullaholic
How is it always said, Deuce...."Wait until next year". :D ---but in the Bulls' case, I can't wait---but this moment belongs to the Steers, what a great moment for all you Graham folks----this is YOUR time.

From what I am hearing Decatur will be moving out of your (Bridgeport) district and we (Graham) will be moving in, so yes we will see next year if it is true??? Just rumor at this point though.

LawDog

12-15-2009, 01:40 PM

LawDog

12-15-2009, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
I gotcha, LawDog. though I have already expressed my support for Graham, I have read all the stats and tried to look at the "numbers" from a neutral point of view, being someone who has not personally seen either team play. I have read all these posts (wish I wouldn't have read some of em, I gotta tell ya..), and tried to form my own opinion with all the other info out there, both biased and unbiased.

Based on the above...it's my view that neither team is a run-away favorite. Both have strengths and weaknesses (as small as they might be), and both are capable of winning this game. Certainly, both deserve to be in this game. I don't know how anyone can argue this fact.

With this said, I am going with Graham. I know Carthage has the "know how" to put this game away, being that they know how to win this level of a game. They are a proven champion, and I tip my hat to them. But there just seems to me to be something "in the air" about Graham. Yes, I might be fooling myself and have talked myself into this opinion....I admit that. But I don't think so. I really think Graham will win this one.

That is exactly what I am getting at. You are on the money. I can’t wait for Saturday and I hope both teams bring their A game and make this the epic battle it should be for a State Championship. Good luck to Carthage. But hey BETTER LUCK TO GRAHAM!!!!!!:cheerl: :cheerl:

LawDog

12-15-2009, 01:51 PM

hookandladder

12-15-2009, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by garciap77
Gilmer is way better than Carthage! And so is Cuero, Lovejoy, Prosper, Navasota, and of course the Mighty Chico Dragons! I don't think wins over any of the teams you have played are that impressive especially the 4A teams you played, looks more like a weak schedule to me!:D

;)

I assume you are not serious about this post, if you are you are nuts. Carthage is as good or better then every team you mentioned.

gameface

12-15-2009, 02:46 PM

I second that commotion Hook! Carthage will dominate this game with size, athletic ability and solid coaching. Graham crackers is not enough-better eat lots of protein and corn to enhance mass to compete with dawgs offensive and defensive lines. As mentioned before, #85 Murphy(tight end) is suttle and lethal at the same time. Work out the triple team in advance-he always finds a way to get open, he has excellent hands and if his shoulders are square-well, you'll see. Wish Graham the best but LG played excellent defense most of the game and still got behind by 27 pts. for most of the game! I will stick to the 4 TD victory for Carthage. Strap on your boots Steers & get lots of rest prior to the game-you'll need it. PS-no smack intended-just respect the dawg team and wish the Graham crew the best!

Deuce

12-15-2009, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by hookandladder
I assume you are not serious about this post, if you are you are nuts. Carthage is as good or better then every team you mentioned.

You really believe Carthage is better than Gilmer?

hookandladder

12-15-2009, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Deuce
You really believe Carthage is better than Gilmer?

Very little difference between the two, if any. We scrimmaged Cuero pretty even so I know how we stack up against Cuero and Cuero gave Gilmer all they could handle, Carthage manhandled us so I would give the edge to Carthage.

Deuce

12-15-2009, 03:56 PM

gameface

12-15-2009, 04:04 PM

2nd string d on 1st score& 1st string d on second! Dawgs are tough-you steers need lots of diversion plays & quick, very quick qb releases with all passes. Good luck Graham!

Deuce

12-15-2009, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by gameface
I second that commotion Hook! Carthage will dominate this game with size, athletic ability and solid coaching. Graham crackers is not enough-better eat lots of protein and corn to enhance mass to compete with dawgs offensive and defensive lines. As mentioned before, #85 Murphy(tight end) is suttle and lethal at the same time. Work out the triple team in advance-he always finds a way to get open, he has excellent hands and if his shoulders are square-well, you'll see. Wish Graham the best but LG played excellent defense most of the game and still got behind by 27 pts. for most of the game! I will stick to the 4 TD victory for Carthage. Strap on your boots Steers & get lots of rest prior to the game-you'll need it. PS-no smack intended-just respect the dawg team and wish the Graham crew the best!

Well were glad you wish our boys the best, even though you don't respect them as a team.

hookandladder

12-15-2009, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Deuce
When yall finally scored did they have the JV in or what? And no, I do not mean that in a bad way.

We punted the ball to them with about 4 minutes remaining in the game and it rolled to the 1 yard line, they put their 2nd string offense in and we held them. they punted and we got a peice of the punt, they brought back their A team defense and we scored on our first play. We did an onside kick and recoverd it and score a couple plays later, our next onside kick was recovered by them. Ball Game. Their OL and DL are very big, strong and fast, their OL totally manhandled us. They could have ran 5 to 10 yards just about every play however to start the game all they did was pass. Which they do very well also, QB changes the play at the LOS 80% of the time.

DaHop72

12-15-2009, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Nawwww...he didnt mean the Wimberley Texans. He wouldnt be such a mean person. He meant me personally.

Hey....wait a minute..... :D :D :D :D

GO GRAHAM STEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

txsfootball4lif

12-15-2009, 05:01 PM

4 more days...I can't wait so I can see all the excuses for this cyber war.

Deuce

12-15-2009, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by txsfootball4lif
4 more days...I can't wait so I can see all the excuses for this cyber war.

You want see any excuses from me! They are the champs until someone takes it from them in my book. Hopefully it will be us, but I understand it will have to be our boys best performance of the year! I didn't see any Wylie fans making excuses when they were beat by the top rated team, and dont believe you will see that here. But then again hopefully we will not need excuses.

Rustler

12-15-2009, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by gameface
I second that commotion Hook! Carthage will dominate this game with size, athletic ability and solid coaching. Graham crackers is not enough-better eat lots of protein and corn to enhance mass to compete with dawgs offensive and defensive lines. As mentioned before, #85 Murphy(tight end) is suttle and lethal at the same time. Work out the triple team in advance-he always finds a way to get open, he has excellent hands and if his shoulders are square-well, you'll see. Wish Graham the best but LG played excellent defense most of the game and still got behind by 27 pts. for most of the game! I will stick to the 4 TD victory for Carthage. Strap on your boots Steers & get lots of rest prior to the game-you'll need it. PS-no smack intended-just respect the dawg team and wish the Graham crew the best! :tisk: No Smack Intended:tisk: "Graham Crackers"? :thinking: :blahblah: :blahblah: "Graham Needs More of this and that" from Graham's opponets have been written many times......Kind of makes me think back to David and Goliath......or......USA Hockey Team Against The Russians......or.....Boise State against Oklahoma a few years ago........How sweat it is going to be for District 2-3A and Graham to be the VICTORIOUS David or USA Hockey Team this Saturday!

N4SIR

12-15-2009, 06:34 PM

You have it figured out right. Graham is definitley the David/USA Hockey Team in this matchup. There are no guarantees that Carthage will win, but IMO I don't see Graham winning this one. I'll be at the game and look forward to some smashmouth football. I know both teams will bring it!!!

Inmateboss

12-15-2009, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by txsfootball4lif
4 more days...I can't wait so I can see all the excuses for this cyber war.

I have to agree with Deuce on this one. The chances that Graham will start offering up excuses is very slim! Now the chances that Carthage will start throwing up excuses for loosing to such an overrated, demasculated, fluke- their in the playoffs team... are , well, shall we just say "Astronomical"!!! There would just have to be some unseen force of nature, some diabolical plot by the Refs, something so horrible it would boggle the mind, should Carthage lose!!!! Now, should GRAHAM not fair as well as we would have liked,( I'll never use the L word) We will just say we gave them hell, and their still the champs!!! It's harder to stay on top, because "you have something to lose"! We on the other hand are already winners, and only stand to GAIN!!!:thinking:

GO GRAHAM STEERS!!!!! BRING THE RING !!!!

wimbo_pro

12-15-2009, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
There would just have to be some unseen force of nature, some diabolical plot by the Refs, something so horrible it would boggle the mind, should Carthage lose!!!!

<<<Gotta get out my "Rocketese-to-English dictionary" for this one>>>

txsfootball4lif

12-15-2009, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
I have to agree with Deuce on this one. The chances that Graham will start offering up excuses is very slim! Now the chances that Carthage will start throwing up excuses for loosing to such an overrated, demasculated, fluke- their in the playoffs team... are , well, shall we just say "Astronomical"!!! There would just have to be some unseen force of nature, some diabolical plot by the Refs, something so horrible it would boggle the mind, should Carthage lose!!!! Now, should GRAHAM not fair as well as we would have liked,( I'll never use the L word) We will just say we gave them hell, and their still the champs!!! It's harder to stay on top, because "you have something to lose"! We on the other hand are already winners, and only stand to GAIN!!!:thinking:

GO GRAHAM STEERS!!!!! BRING THE RING !!!!

I didn't mention a team in my post.

Inmateboss

12-15-2009, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
<<<Gotta get out my "Rocketese-to-English dictionary" for this one>>>

LOL :D

Inmateboss

12-15-2009, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by txsfootball4lif
I didn't mention a team in my post.

True, you didn't!! Graham is just so use to getting kicked in the Testicular region, that it's just a Knee Jerk reaction!!! Please tell me you were talking about Graham, so I won't feel I typed all that for nothing!!!:D

Rustler

12-15-2009, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
True, you didn't!! Graham is just so use to getting kicked in the Testicular region, that it's just a Knee Jerk reaction!!! Please tell me you were talking about Graham, so I won't feel I typed all that for nothing!!!:D "getting kicked in the Testicular region"........EXCEPT ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD:hand: Yes I know you agree!

gameface

12-15-2009, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Deuce
Well were glad you wish our boys the best, even though you don't respect them as a team.

Deuce-never said I did not respect Graham my friend. I just think that Carthage is unbeatable! Hats off to the Steers for making it to the final-it's a great accomplishment for the players & coaches and very special for the community of Graham-esp. since being its first time to taste state. The dawgs remind me of a junior college size and speed type of team! We knew that Carthage was big-but not that huge! I was just giving my opinion rendering advise and with pun intended-eat some protein, corn, get rest, etc. I'm allowed to be wrong. I'm allowed to be right. It's just my opinion that Carthage has incredible depth and balance as a team and likely the best in 3A in 2009! So, again Sir Deuce-strap on your boots and kick some butt. I'd love to see yall give them all you got! LG did and was denied despite picking apart most defenses this season. So, consider a few of my recommendations from previous posting and hook'em steers.

go blue 64

12-15-2009, 08:37 PM

graham 14-1
carthage 15-1

teams graham has played 107-70 61%
teams carthage has played 90-80 53%

according to max preps

graham is state ranked 26
carthage is state ranked 31

state rank average of teams graham has played 294.8
state ramk average of teams carthage has played 321.2

top 2 teams graham has played
pitt 49
aw 50

top 2 teams carthage has played
caldwell 82
lg 96

the game will be played on the field saturday night. these are just numbers, but they are backed up by games. graham has had a very tough schedule, and these numbers back that up. i will stay with my score for the game

graham 31
carthage 20

LawDog

12-15-2009, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by hookandladder
Very little difference between the two, if any. We scrimmaged Cuero pretty even so I know how we stack up against Cuero and Cuero gave Gilmer all they could handle, Carthage manhandled us so I would give the edge to Carthage.

Are you trying to compare a scrimmage you played at the beginning of the year against a team (Cuero) who probably played everything they had and tried things they would never do in a real game to get an idea of what they were working with this season, to that same team (Cuero) that played the team (Gilmer) that won the Div. 1 State Final????? Ohhh ok I see how it is. So for us to say we played a team (Wyllie) that was in that state final and we won against them would mean we can say we will walk away with this game, that would be ok, Right?????:thinking: :confused: :thinking:

I don’t even think this. You can not compare a scrimmage to a Div. 1 playoff game Com’on!!! This will be a great game and for you to diminish it because your team is out is ridiculous.
There is no way either team should walk away with this one.
And don’t take me wrong I think LaGrange was great this year and they had a outstanding season. Good luck next year.

wimbo_pro

12-15-2009, 08:47 PM

go blue 64

12-15-2009, 08:53 PM

graham 14-1
carthage 15-0

teams graham has played 107-70 61%
teams carthage has played 90-80 53%

max prep team state rankings

graham 26
carthage 31

teams graham has played state ranking 294.8
teams carthage has played state ranking 321.2

top 2 teams graham has played
pitt 49
aw 50

top 2 teams carthage has played
caldwell 82
lg 96

these are just numbers, but they are backed up by the games.
this shows the tough schedule that graham has played. the game will be played saturday night. i will stick with my score for
the game.

graham 31
carthage 20

wimbo_pro

12-15-2009, 08:59 PM

Graham 24
Carthage 20

hookandladder

12-15-2009, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by LawDog
Are you trying to compare a scrimmage you played at the beginning of the year against a team (Cuero) who probably played everything they had and tried things they would never do in a real game to get an idea of what they were working with this season, to that same team (Cuero) that played the team (Gilmer) that won the Div. 1 State Final????? Ohhh ok I see how it is. So for us to say we played a team (Wyllie) that was in that state final and we won against them would mean we can say we will walk away with this game, that would be ok, Right?????:thinking: :confused: :thinking:

I don’t even think this. You can not compare a scrimmage to a Div. 1 playoff game Com’on!!! This will be a great game and for you to diminish it because your team is out is ridiculous.
There is no way either team should walk away with this one.
And don’t take me wrong I think LaGrange was great this year and they had a outstanding season. Good luck next year.

I was comparing us size and speed wise to Cuero, not saying the scrimmage was won or loss by either team. Cuero beat our District champion in the playoffs, was a good game til the end. Our District had very even teams 1st thru 3rd place, any team could have won District. Carthage would have rolled thru our District that is why I am saying their as good as any team I have seen in 3A in many years. If you can beat Carthage, which I don't think so then in my eye's you will be the best team in 3A Division I and II. Carthage is the real deal and I have no dog in this fight, I think with McCoy you may keep it close for a while however Carthage's talent will prevail.

Deuce

12-15-2009, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by gameface
Deuce-never said I did not respect Graham my friend. I just think that Carthage is unbeatable! Hats off to the Steers for making it to the final-it's a great accomplishment for the players & coaches and very special for the community of Graham-esp. since being its first time to taste state. The dawgs remind me of a junior college size and speed type of team! We knew that Carthage was big-but not that huge! I was just giving my opinion rendering advise and with pun intended-eat some protein, corn, get rest, etc. I'm allowed to be wrong. I'm allowed to be right. It's just my opinion that Carthage has incredible depth and balance as a team and likely the best in 3A in 2009! So, again Sir Deuce-strap on your boots and kick some butt. I'd love to see yall give them all you got! LG did and was denied despite picking apart most defenses this season. So, consider a few of my recommendations from previous posting and hook'em steers.

I can respect that. We will give em HELL!

oldtownag

12-15-2009, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by go blue 64

top 2 teams carthage has played
caldwell 82
lg 96

These teams are not even the best 2 we have played in the playoffs. Mexia and Lorena were both better.

So I wouldn't put much faith in what Maxpreps thinks.

P.S. Massey says Carthage 27 - Graham 25

wimbo_pro

12-15-2009, 10:12 PM

I also see Massey has Carthage rated as the better defense, the better offense, the better power rating...all done with a tougher schedule.

HOWEVER....

The ratings are close enough that intangibles can come into play (I know they do in every game..but I think you know what I mean). In other words, these are the best two teams in Division II (without a doubt) and they are evenly matched.
http://www.highschoolsports.net/defaultcal300x250.cfm?ct=stateratings&conftodisp=Texas&year=2009&conf_id1=CFB76376&spt=4&division=1

Tromboneking

12-15-2009, 10:43 PM

Just noticed another interesting fact...

In the playoffs, Cathage has given up 102 points to the opposition.

Graham has given up 82.

Looks like to me Cathage can be scored upon....Graham seems to have a stronger D.....

wimbo_pro

12-15-2009, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by Tromboneking

Looks like to me Cathage can be scored upon....Graham seems to have a stronger D.....

At least in the play offs anyways...and thats all that counts.

oldtownag

12-15-2009, 11:00 PM

Statistics lie my friend.

Carthage led Caldwell 42 - 0 at the half. Final 56 - 41

Carthage led La Grange 27 - 0 with about 2 minutes to go. Final 27 - 14

Thats 55 points and only 7 of those were given up by the 1st String.

ccmom

12-15-2009, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Tromboneking
Just noticed another interesting fact...

In the playoffs, Cathage has given up 102 points to the opposition.

Graham has given up 82.

Looks like to me Cathage can be scored upon....Graham seems to have a stronger D..... I'm rooting for the Steers, but this stat business is comical. To think your defense is "stronger" based on a 20pt difference over 5 games (4 points per game) is hardly a convincing stat. For one thing, sometimes it's not the defense that gives up points. Second, were their starters in the entire game all through the playoffs? Anyway....the fact remains that Carthage remains on top unless and until somebody beats them. The Steers earned their place in this game and I think they've certainly got the ability to get it done. Throw the stats and rankings out with the trash. This ought to be a good one. Good luck to all.

rolldawgs

12-15-2009, 11:08 PM

Yep, yep..I'm sure that the stats from completely different opponents means that Graham has a stronger defense, and a better passing game, and therefore one can deduce that your offensive and defensive lines will be superior.

Then there is the fact that you've played stronger opposition to get here, come from a stronger district, have better Max prep rankings, as do the teams you've beat...etc..etc..

Just keep believing folks...enjoy this week and keep believing....

Inmateboss

12-15-2009, 11:09 PM

Dang this week is just draging by!!!!:(

wimbo_pro

12-15-2009, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by oldtownag
Statistics lie my friend.

I don't disagree with this statement totally, especially when stats are used to predict the future. But stats do tell a story of past performance, and a relatively accurate story, once spread out over enough data points (games). So, I dont think they can be discounted when evaluating the past performance of these teams.

Look...we arm chair QB's have nothing else to talk about until the game is played. Let us have our fun! At least talking about stats is better than attacking each other, right???

Inmateboss

12-15-2009, 11:10 PM

wimbo_pro

12-15-2009, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by rolldawgs
Yep, yep..I'm sure that the stats from completely different opponents means that Graham has a stronger defense, and a better passing game, and therefore one can deduce that your offensive and defensive lines will be superior.

Then there is the fact that you've played stronger opposition to get here, come from a stronger district, have better Max prep rankings, as do the teams you've beat...etc..etc..

Just keep believing folks...enjoy this week and keep believing....

Actually, the "stats" I quoted show the exact opposite of what you said.

Inmateboss

12-15-2009, 11:31 PM

Statistics are just Basic numerical facts used for interpretation, and are only lies when changed for the purpose of misrepresentation!!!:thinking:

wimbo_pro

12-15-2009, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
Statistics are just Basic numerical facts used for interpretation, and are only lies when changed for the purpose of misrepresentation!!!:thinking:

Better yet...

Don't ever trust statistics that you didn't personally manipulate.

ccmom

12-15-2009, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
Statistics are just Basic numerical facts used for interpretation, and are only lies when changed for the purpose of misrepresentation!!!:thinking: Don't try to throw us off by attempting to sound intelligent. We've already got your number buddy!! LOL. GO STEERS!

wimbo_pro

12-15-2009, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by ccmom
Don't try to throw us off by attempting to sound intelligent. We've already got your number buddy!! LOL. GO STEERS!

Buddy? InmateBoss is a guy???????

Inmateboss

12-15-2009, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Better yet...

Don't ever trust statistics that you didn't personally manipulate.

Dang I was just fixen to say that!!!:mad:

Inmateboss

12-15-2009, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by ccmom
Don't try to throw us off by attempting to sound intelligent. We've already got your number buddy!! LOL. GO STEERS!

I was just looking at the pics from the last wylie M&G, man good turn out, that would have been fun, cold but fun !!! Hope we have a good M&G on sat.

Inmateboss

12-15-2009, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Buddy? InmateBoss is a guy???????

Surprise!!!!:inlove: LOL

wimbo_pro

12-16-2009, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
Surprise!!!!:inlove: LOL

really???? with all those colors and icons? So what the hell are you the inmate boss of? The Boy George State Penitentiary?? LOLOL

rolldawgs

12-16-2009, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Actually, the "stats" I quoted show the exact opposite of what you said.

Wasn't responding to yours at all; mostly Blue 64. And no attack on you Blue, just some fun sarcasm made in jest...

Wimbo, what you said about the intangibles possibly coming into play for two evenly matched teams pretty much says it all - couldn't agree more.

Do you have specific intangibles in mind? I think they would be more interesting than stats...

Tromboneking

12-16-2009, 12:09 AM

Ok...know what...I am out...I am getting tired of this...no more downlow for me...it really is going nowhere...

Look...both teams are good or they would not be in the state game. I have just read for the past X number of weeks how Graham can't handle this...or that...or so and so.....and we have done just fine.

Let the best team win...pure and simple. I am so proud to be a Graham Steer fan!

Goodbye all. Best of luck and Merry Christmas...even to the Carthage fans! LOL.

wimbo_pro

12-16-2009, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by rolldawgs

Do you have specific intangibles in mind? I think they would be more interesting than stats...

Not really...maybe one could be Graham doesnt have the pressure of repeating...they dont know what they dont know.

Another could be Carthage players have pressure to live up to last year. Graham has already surpassed all others before them. Might they be more wreckless and risk-taking?

Let's hear some from you!

Inmateboss

12-16-2009, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
really???? with all those colors and icons? So what the hell are you the inmate boss of? The Boy George State Penitentiary?? LOLOL

Got to do something not enough posts to have any cool avatars,and pics.

Inmateboss

12-16-2009, 12:21 AM

rolldawgs

12-16-2009, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Not really...maybe one could be Graham doesnt have the pressure of repeating...they dont know what they dont know.

Another could be Carthage players have pressure to live up to last year. Graham has already surpassed all others before them. Might they be more wreckless and risk-taking?

Let's hear some from you!

Yours is a great one to start with. I think there are advantages for both sides. One could argue that Graham might "want" it more, since it's all new and super exciting to be this far along after not tasting success last year. But...even if Carthage were going for a seventh in a row or something, they are HS kids, and nothing means more to them right now, just like the Graham kids. So, no real winner there, with a possible slight "desire"edge to Graham.

On the other hand, since Carthage has been there, done that, got the ring - one could argue that there is no substitute for experience. But hey, this is the final game of a long season, and Graham should know by now what needs to be done. So again, no clear winner, but a probable "experience" edge to Carthage.

rolldawgs

12-16-2009, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Not really...maybe one could be Graham doesnt have the pressure of repeating...they dont know what they dont know.

Another could be Carthage players have pressure to live up to last year. Graham has already surpassed all others before them. Might they be more wreckless and risk-taking?

Let's hear some from you!

I didn't really address your ideas about "pressure" and risk taking, which are interesting angles for sure.

I don't get the sense that Carthage feels any pressure per se. I think it's more along the lines of "Hey, that was great last year for that Senior class, but I want it for mine!" I agree totally though, that Graham shouldn't have any pressure on them, so that is usually the mark of a dangerous team.

I'm very, very, anxious to see how the game progresses in regards to risk taking. Both teams should definitely be hanging it all out. If I were Graham, I would definitely be thinking about taking some risks in this one, which would again make them dangerous. Carthage seems to take risks on an every game basis anyway. Lots of going for it on fourth down, several touchdown passes on fourth and inches this year, etc..
And...I happen to know that they still have a lot of "special" schemes and plays that they haven't brought to the table yet, and I have every reason to believe we'll see them. I'm sure that Graham will use 2-4 plays that even you guys haven't seen this year....now that's a fun part of the game!

Inmateboss

12-16-2009, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by rolldawgs
I didn't really address your ideas about "pressure" and risk taking, which are interesting angles for sure.

I don't get the sense that Carthage feels any pressure per se. I think it's more along the lines of "Hey, that was great last year for that Senior class, but I want it for mine!" I agree totally though, that Graham shouldn't have any pressure on them, so that is usually the mark of a dangerous team.

I'm very, very, anxious to see how the game progresses in regards to risk taking. Both teams should definitely be hanging it all out. If I were Graham, I would definitely be thinking about taking some risks in this one, which would again make them dangerous. Carthage seems to take risks on an every game basis anyway. Lots of going for it on fourth down, several touchdown passes on fourth and inches this year, etc..
And...I happen to know that they still have a lot of "special" schemes and plays that they haven't brought to the table yet, and I have every reason to believe we'll see them. I'm sure that Graham will use 2-4 plays that even you guys haven't seen this year....now that's a fun part of the game!

I agree with both of your post, It will be interesting to say the least!!! Nobody wants to go this far and just blow it! I hope it's a down to the wire ball game!!!

Rustler

12-16-2009, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by rolldawgs
Yep, yep..I'm sure that the stats from completely different opponents means that Graham has a stronger defense, and a better passing game, and therefore one can deduce that your offensive and defensive lines will be superior.

Then there is the fact that you've played stronger opposition to get here, come from a stronger district, have better Max prep rankings, as do the teams you've beat...etc..etc..

Just keep believing folks...enjoy this week and keep believing....
:clap: Thank You For Your Permission :clap: Believing is what West Texas People are all about and as a result District 2-3A. WE DO BELIEVE THE GRAHAM STEERS WILL WIN. More importantly........I am told "THE TEAM" believes they can and will win......Every winning streak must come to an end.....28 is the end:hand:

Rustler

12-16-2009, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by rolldawgs
I didn't really address your ideas about "pressure" and risk taking, which are interesting angles for sure.

I don't get the sense that Carthage feels any pressure per se. I think it's more along the lines of "Hey, that was great last year for that Senior class, but I want it for mine!" I agree totally though, that Graham shouldn't have any pressure on them, so that is usually the mark of a dangerous team.

I'm very, very, anxious to see how the game progresses in regards to risk taking. Both teams should definitely be hanging it all out. If I were Graham, I would definitely be thinking about taking some risks in this one, which would again make them dangerous. Carthage seems to take risks on an every game basis anyway. Lots of going for it on fourth down, several touchdown passes on fourth and inches this year, etc..
And...I happen to know that they still have a lot of "special" schemes and plays that they haven't brought to the table yet, and I have every reason to believe we'll see them. I'm sure that Graham will use 2-4 plays that even you guys haven't seen this year....now that's a fun part of the game!

Rolldawgs good logical post..No Kidding! A difference I have with your post....As I have watched Graham through the playoffs..I believe they will do what they do...Run the ball up the middle and throw it deep. That is what they do. No new plays..what few times I have seen them try some new play it tends not to work out. Taking Risks...I dont dissagree with you however it depends on what your definiton of taking risk is for Graham? I thought the opening kick off by La Grange to Carthage last week was risky. Seemed to me everybody on the field knew the kick was only going 15 yards including the official. Game Progress will be interesting to watch. Either way enjoyed your post.

Ragin Red

12-16-2009, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
I also see Massey has Carthage rated as the better defense, the better offense, the better power rating...all done with a tougher schedule.

HOWEVER....

The ratings are close enough that intangibles can come into play (I know they do in every game..but I think you know what I mean). In other words, these are the best two teams in Division II (without a doubt) and they are evenly matched.
http://www.highschoolsports.net/defaultcal300x250.cfm?ct=stateratings&conftodisp=Texas&year=2009&conf_id1=CFB76376&spt=4&division=1

Carefull there wimbo_pro, you are comparing these two internet ranking services together( Max Preps and Massey ) right? Well I don't know if I would put my name with someone who has a hard time with keeping the BCS stuff straight!

hookandladder

12-16-2009, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Rustler
Rolldawgs good logical post..No Kidding! A difference I have with your post....As I have watched Graham through the playoffs..I believe they will do what they do...Run the ball up the middle and throw it deep. That is what they do. No new plays..what few times I have seen them try some new play it tends not to work out. Taking Risks...I dont dissagree with you however it depends on what your definiton of taking risk is for Graham? I thought the opening kick off by La Grange to Carthage last week was risky. Seemed to me everybody on the field knew the kick was only going 15 yards including the official. Game Progress will be interesting to watch. Either way enjoyed your post.

La Grange's kickoffs never go more then 15 to 25 yards, have done this every time this year. We never kick it deep, pooch kick every time.Opponent's get the ball somewhere around the 30 to 45 yard line, normally with a fair catch. Just what we do.

Rustler

12-16-2009, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by hookandladder
La Grange's kickoffs never go more then 15 to 25 yards, have done this every time this year. We never kick it deep, pooch kick every time.Opponent's get the ball somewhere around the 30 to 45 yard line, normally with a fair catch. Just what we do. I understnad....Just what you do....The point I tried to make and obviously didnt make it very well, is risk is a matter of interpretation. Seemed giving a short field to start is risky to some.

Deuce

12-16-2009, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by Rustler
I understnad....Just what you do....The point I tried to make and obviously didnt make it very well, is risk is a matter of interpretation. Seemed giving a short field to start is risky to some.

I agree. Never understood why teams do this, unless you have a kicker that can kick it up high enough to give your guys time to get there and try to cause a fumble. The only good thing is if they are fair catching it then there is no chance for a run back. As far as risks, I am sure we will see Mccoy go for it a few times on 4th if he has good field position. But this is something that they have done all year long. I am sure we will have a few new plays in the book for this one though, and would not be suprised to see the play that we used against Monahans a couple of times. As I have said in weeks past this game will come down to DEFENSE! I believe if our D steps up the way they have the last few weeks, we will have an excellent shot.

hookandladder

12-16-2009, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Rustler
I understnad....Just what you do....The point I tried to make and obviously didnt make it very well, is risk is a matter of interpretation. Seemed giving a short field to start is risky to some.

Did it all year, yes it put's lot of perssure on our defense.It is what the coaches decided to do, ideally we would want the kick to land around the 30 yardline and them fair catch or keep them behind the 30 to 35.

hookandladder

12-16-2009, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Deuce
I agree. Never understood why teams do this, unless you have a kicker that can kick it up high enough to give your guys time to get there and try to cause a fumble. The only good thing is if they are fair catching it then there is no chance for a run back. As far as risks, I am sure we will see Mccoy go for it a few times on 4th if he has good field position. But this is something that they have done all year long. I am sure we will have a few new plays in the book for this one though, and would not be suprised to see the play that we used against Monahans a couple of times. As I have said in weeks past this game will come down to DEFENSE! I believe if our D steps up the way they have the last few weeks, we will have an excellent shot.

You better have an All State DL to offset Carthage OL, have never seen a more impressive OL in 3A football.

Deuce

12-16-2009, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by hookandladder
You better have an All State DL to offset Carthage OL, have never seen a more impressive OL in 3A football.

I wouldn't go all state, but they are very quick and can get to the ball in a hurry!

hookandladder

12-16-2009, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Deuce
I wouldn't go all state, but they are very quick and can get to the ball in a hurry!

Our DL was also pretty quick, which we thought would work to our advantage. Our size disadvantage was the problem, their OL is big,fast and very athletic. If you do not blitz, you will have a hard time putting pressure on the QB and he will find an open receiver.

Bullaholic

12-16-2009, 11:37 AM

Graham's best tactic: Throwing the ball where they ain't, and when they are....running the ball where they ain't. Simplistic, but oh so true. Finese can offset athleticism a lot of times. Not long til' we shall see.

wimbo_pro

12-16-2009, 11:57 AM

True bullaholic...not long. We are flat running out of things to talk about...some would say we ran out last Saturday. So, in an effort to revitalize this thread....

Grahams uniforms are prettier than Carthage's uniforms. This gives Graham the edge.

SWAS009

12-16-2009, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
True bullaholic...not long. We are flat running out of things to talk about...some would say we ran out last Saturday. So, in an effort to revitalize this thread....

Grahams uniforms are prettier than Carthage's uniforms. This gives Graham the edge.

Graham had a tougher schedule, that's what gives us the edge.

wimbo_pro

12-16-2009, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by SWAS009
Graham had a tougher schedule, that's what gives us the edge.

Well, thats not what Massey's rates it as...but I think its close enough that it can be argued.

icu812

12-16-2009, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by hookandladder
You better have an All State DL to offset Carthage OL, have never seen a more impressive OL in 3A football.

True dat :D

Best OL I've ever seen in 3A. Big, fast & nasty.

bigdiz

12-16-2009, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
Hearing the same thing from different places! But thats ok, someone loses in every fight. Were going to backup into the RED corner and when they ring the bell we are coming out with the intent to kick some major A$$ !! If we wind up being out gunned, so be it!! We've had our butts kicked before, and will again someday! There is always going to be someone bigger and badder, this may be the day Carthage finds that out!!! The Graham Steers are coming to fight, we want the Prize!!! Carthage is going to have to take it, thats the only way they can have it!!!

GO GRAHAM STEERS " BRING THE RING" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Bulldogs dont have take it they already have it .They are the defending state champs and until yall beat them(which i seriously doubt will happen) they are state champs

bigdiz

12-16-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by LawDog
Ok Carthage I wanted to know what teams ya’ll have played this year that were great teams? The two teams that made the playoffs from your district were Center (7-3) and Jasper (8-2) right? Center got beat in the second round and Jasper in Bi-District. Now Graham played Wylie (8-1 and in Div. 1 State Final Game), and Brownwood (8-1) who went 3 deep in the playoffs (Can you say toughest district in 3A). I keep seeing ya’ll being compared to Gilmer but I don’t see where ya’ll have played them???:rolleyes:
well all i can say is we beat 4 4a teams in nondistrict play how many 4a teams have yall beaten

fridaynitefan

12-16-2009, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by bigdiz
well all i can say is we beat 4 4a teams in nondistrict play how many 4a teams have yall beaten

Abilene Wylie! :taunt: :taunt:

BwdLion73

12-16-2009, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by fridaynitefan
Abilene Wylie! :taunt: :taunt:

:) :clap:

Rustler

12-16-2009, 06:51 PM

:thinking: Anybody have a report on the Carthage Deffensive Lineman #90 that went out of the game on crutches against La Grange?

Z-RO

12-16-2009, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Rustler
:thinking: Anybody have a report on the Carthage Deffensive Lineman #90 that went out of the game on crutches against La Grange?

Bet you wont hear anything on Carthage's end

Inmateboss

12-16-2009, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by bigdiz
The Bulldogs dont have take it they already have it .They are the defending state champs and until yall beat them(which i seriously doubt will happen) they are state champs

Yes, your right about that, Carthage is the defending State Champs. There is not one for this year yet!
Let's go back in time just a little, say oh about 2006 when LH was the State champs, they got beat by Celina, now they are the 2007 State champs! I'm starting to see a pattern here! 2008 rolls around and "Carthage beats Celina", and takes the title!!!!Carthage the 2008 STATE CHAMPIONS!!!!! 2009 Carthage makes it to the finals again, Congrats!!! Start the year you won State, 2008, how far back do you have to go to see Carthage' name again as State Champs??? My point is ya'll had to beat someone to get to where your at right now, Celina.. Did they say oh crap we have to play Carthage, no chance for a win now?? Doubt it, they probably said, ya'll have to take it!!! Celina took it from LH. So this just proves my point, the State Champ can be beat!!! It happens all the time or no one would have to look it up when you ask who is the State Champ... it would be who ever won the first one, because they are the State champs and no one can beat them!!!! They can be beat, and were coming to show you!!!!

Inmateboss

12-16-2009, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by bigdiz
well all i can say is we beat 4 4a teams in nondistrict play how many 4a teams have yall beaten

NON, being the main factor!!! How many did you beat during District Play???? When they were good and warmed up???

ccmom

12-16-2009, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Inmateboss
Yes, your right about that, Carthage is the defending State Champs. There is not one for this year yet!
Let's go back in time just a little, say oh about 2006 when LH was the State champs, they got beat by Celina, now they are the 2007 State champs! I'm starting to see a pattern here! 2008 rolls around and "Carthage beats Celina", and takes the title!!!!Carthage the 2008 STATE CHAMPIONS!!!!! 2009 Carthage makes it to the finals again, Congrats!!! Start the year you won State, 2008, how far back do you have to go to see Carthage' name again as State Champs??? My point is ya'll had to beat someone to get to where your at right now, Celina.. Did they say oh crap we have to play Carthage, no chance for a win now?? Doubt it, they probably said, ya'll have to take it!!! Celina took it from LH. So this just proves my point, the State Champ can be beat!!! It happens all the time or no one would have to look it up when you ask who is the State Champ... it would be who ever won the first one, because they are the State champs and no one can beat them!!!! They can be beat, and were coming to show you!!!! Wow! Was that exhausting to type? Just reading it wiped me out!!!! Go Steers!

go blue 64

12-16-2009, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by oldtownag
These teams are not even the best 2 we have played in the playoffs. Mexia and Lorena were both better.

So I wouldn't put much faith in what Maxpreps thinks.

P.S. Massey says Carthage 27 - Graham 25

when the ap had aw rated over graham max preps had graham rated over aw and as it turned out we did beat them, I think their rating system is pretty accurate. you say mexia (rated 131 in the state) and lorena (rated 161) were better than caldwell (82) & lg (96), I don't see it. graham beat pitt rated 49 and aw rated 50 go back and see previous post. on paper it looks like pitt and cathage are very sim. with pitt having a tougher schedule.

graham 31
carthage 20

go blue 64

12-16-2009, 07:47 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by oldtownag
[B]Statistics lie my friend.

they may lie for a game or two, but over the season they will average out. graham is the better team and has been tested more. :)

go blue 64

12-16-2009, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by rolldawgs

Just keep believing folks...enjoy this week and keep believing....

thanks we will.:)

gameface

12-16-2009, 08:19 PM

The capacity of #90 is questionable. I think he has a sprain/strain of the ankle occurred in the 1st series of the game! He hopped from the field to the locker room at half, then sported his crutches on the Carthage sidelines the entire second half. Now that dude(#90) is massive-he looked around 6'5", 275# all muscle. I seriously doubt that he will even be at 70% for this game-it's likely an inversion sprain/strain. Thus, hard to bounce back from and likely a problem firing off the line of scrimmage or having the endurance to play the entire game with effectiveness. This may be a gift for Graham! Then again the entire OL and DL looked about the same size-for real. E is for eggs, M is for mudflaps, H is for Haggard and G is for Good Luck Steers. Anything is possible-so, play hard to the very end and pour on your talent and hope for the best. Again, consider diversions and quick releases from your qb to yield first downs and points. LG was denied with the run and pass for the first time all year! I know you believe in your Steers and even though I feel like we played the very best in 3A-I'm always for the underdogs, not bulldawgs this time!! Go Steers!

Rattler

12-16-2009, 08:32 PM

Steers 28
Carthage 27

wimbo_pro

12-16-2009, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by gameface
E is for eggs, M is for mudflaps, H is for Haggard and G is for Good Luck Steers.

Say WWWhhhhhhaaaatttttTTTTT?????

Rustler

12-16-2009, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by bigdiz
well all i can say is we beat 4 4a teams in nondistrict play how many 4a teams have yall beaten Look back.....How many 4A teams have ever won their district the first year they were moved down to 3A from 4A?

bobcat4life

12-16-2009, 08:59 PM

what time is the game? and where will it be played?

Rustler

12-16-2009, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by bobcat4life
what time is the game? and where will it be played? 6PM Saturday SMU

bobcat4life

12-16-2009, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by wyliegrad04
park in the HPUMC / museum parking garage ... $5 ... and it is a 1 minute walk to the stadium ... is that the one right next to moody colliseum? if so, great choice

gameface

12-16-2009, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Say WWWhhhhhhaaaatttttTTTTT?????

Gotta use some humor via "Redneck Mother" song lyrics when rendering your opinion with 3A ball! That's WHATTTTT!!! So, relax TEXAN-just logging some info. supporting the underdawgs vs. the BULLdawgs!! PS-Is the Blanco River and Cypress Creek filling back up since recent rains last few months? Little Arkansas accessible anymore? Bruce sell Cypress Creek Cafe yet? I've been following Wimberly football last 10+ years, very exciting to see the success, esp. this year for having a rocky beginning of year! Met a few of your players at the Blue Hole platforms last summer swinging off the ropes/metal rings! My wife and I love Wimberly-our family had a place a Woodcreek for 20+ years. So, my support goes to the underdawgs led by McCoy and associates despite the prestige of being beat by the '08 State Champs! Go Steers and Texans and Merle Haggard!!! Peace out!

Inmateboss

12-16-2009, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by ccmom
Wow! Was that exhausting to type? Just reading it wiped me out!!!! Go Steers!

It was for me , I type slooow!!!:D

wimbo_pro

12-16-2009, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by gameface
Gotta use some humor via "Redneck Mother" song lyrics when rendering your opinion with 3A ball! That's WHATTTTT!!! So, relax TEXAN-just logging some info. supporting the underdawgs vs. the BULLdawgs!! PS-Is the Blanco River and Cypress Creek filling back up since recent rains last few months? Little Arkansas accessible anymore? Bruce sell Cypress Creek Cafe yet? I've been following Wimberly football last 10+ years, very exciting to see the success, esp. this year for having a rocky beginning of year! Met a few of your players at the Blue Hole platforms last summer swinging off the ropes/metal rings! My wife and I love Wimberly-our family had a place a Woodcreek for 20+ years. So, my support goes to the underdawgs led by McCoy and associates despite the prestige of being beat by the '08 State Champs! Go Steers and Texans and Merle Haggard!!! Peace out!

OK...I gotcha!

Yes, the rain has the river and creek flowing again, almost back to normal. The Cafe was sold and closed last week, not sure who the new owner is. Little Arkansas is still blocked off to the public.

DaHop72

12-16-2009, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
OK...I gotcha!

Yes, the rain has the river and creek flowing again, almost back to normal. The Cafe was sold and closed last week, not sure who the new owner is. Little Arkansas is still blocked off to the public. SHUT UP WIMPY!!!!!! Your team couldn't even beat Brownwood. Brownwood beat Brownwood. :devil: :devil:

Deuce

12-16-2009, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by DaHop72
SHUT UP WIMPY!!!!!! Your team couldn't even beat Brownwood. Brownwood beat Brownwood. :devil: :devil:

Now thats funny!!

gameface

12-16-2009, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
OK...I gotcha!

Yes, the rain has the river and creek flowing again, almost back to normal. The Cafe was sold and closed last week, not sure who the new owner is. Little Arkansas is still blocked off to the public.

Thanks for update wimbo-pro! We'll be back in your neck of the woods this spring and likely stay at Mountain View and take the kids swimming and do some zipline action again. I love high school football and would love to see the Steers get hot and give the Dawgs some heck, however, the Carthage Crew is tough. No more predictions from me-I always root for the underdawgs down the stretch-in football and in golf. Go Steers!

rolldawgs

12-16-2009, 10:44 PM

I still see some stats being brought up. Ok, here are few stats along with some random quotes from various newspaper articles. I've focused on the defense for
this post.

Disclaimer** - I've already stated that I'm not big on historical stats being a reliable indicator of future performance. So I'll tell you now that these stats are just something to have some fun with, and do not give one iota of a clue what will happen when Graham's offense meets Carthage's defense. Graham could run/throw roughshod over Carthage; we just...don't...know.

What Carthage fans DO know, is that the only teams that have really given the Dawg defense trouble are teams that have offensive lines that closely match Carthage's SIZE, and have stubbornly focused on one thing - pounding the ball right at you 3-4 yards at a time. This severely eats up the clock and the amount of possessions for the Dawg offense.
Passing teams? Not so much... (see below)

By the way, that's why, IMO, you keep hearing Carthage fans refer to Mexia and Lorena as being so tough. Overall, they MAY not be as good as some of the teams in the playoffs, but they were pretty smart about how to go after Carthage. So what if Carthage scored almost every time they touched the ball against both of them - there were only so many chances to do it!

Of course, we hear that Graham is a very balanced team, so IF you can do as much damage with your run game as your passing game (many teams claim this, not many do it), then we truly will have an old-fashioned shoot-out come Saturday.

Now where was I...
Oh yea...the quotes and stuff.....here ya go.

The statesman.com reported this about La Grange coming into the Carthage game:
"La Grange's Josh Schneider has thrown for 3,773 yards and 36 touchdowns this season." The article later mentions La Grange as having a "Video-game like passing attack."

After the game, the Panola Watchman (local Carthage paper) describes what they witnessed.
Carthage put on a show for the fans as they held the high passing team to 122 yards passing. After three quarters though, La Grange only had 59 yards passing. Their passing yards came when Carthage put in the reserves.

All this, after losing defensive end Tre'Kevian McKee in the first quarter, who entered the game with 113 tackles, including 17 for loss. I really hope this young man makes it back for Saturday's final, because he certainly deserves to be on that field. * Major kudos to All-State tight end Trevor Murphy, who spelled McKee on the defensive side of the ball and would up playing like the beast he is; recording 4 tackles for loss and 1 1/2 sacks. He also caught three TD passes for the game in his "normal" position.

Moving on.....also from the Panola Watchman
"The Dawgs’ defensive STARTERS have only surrendered an average of 5.5 points in the regular season, and an average of 16 points during the playoffs."
Props to Coach Surratt for giving the back-ups considerable playing time all year, including the playoffs. Would be hard to imagine they would see the field in the finals
against an opponent like Graham, but their experience gained thus far will bode well for next year.

gameface

12-16-2009, 11:17 PM

wooooo rolldawg-reserves tried to defend the quick end of game 1st TD and your A-studs(double team dawgs) tried to defend LG All-State receiver Brandon Wilkerson(Jr) for a 2nd score rendering 14 total points. You Dawgs are tough....and corn feed! Good luck at SMU this Saturday Rolldawg.

rolldawgs

12-16-2009, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by gameface
wooooo rolldawg-reserves tried to defend the quick end of game 1st TD and your A-studs(double team dawgs) tried to defend LG All-State receiver Brandon Wilkerson(Jr) for a 2nd score rendering 14 total points. You Dawgs are tough....and corn feed! Good luck at SMU this Saturday Rolldawg.

Yep, you guys didn't give up; scored 14 in the last 66 seconds of the game, I believe. And yes, first team D gave up the one-play drive to your stud receiver - that was a beautiful pass; just flawless.

hookandladder

12-17-2009, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by rolldawgs
Yep, you guys didn't give up; scored 14 in the last 66 seconds of the game, I believe. And yes, first team D gave up the one-play drive to your stud receiver - that was a beautiful pass; just flawless.

Trust me I was and still am very impressed with your team however the only reserves that were on the field was your 2nd team offense when you got the ball on your 1 yard line, the first team defense played the whole game. There may have been a sub here and there however when we scored at the end both time your 1st string defense was on the field, the game was basically over but both scores were against your 1st string defnse.

gameface

12-17-2009, 08:09 AM

Hook-we have incredible talent coming back on both sides of the ball next year for LG. We need to make sure Wilkerson's appetite for passes is satisfied! We'll miss Josh Schneider's incredible touch but hopefully we'll see potential QB's at football camps and practice throwing with dad in front yard on Pecan Street!? Hopefully LG can have another Homer and Applewhite in one package!? No pressure-just see raw talent and know the strong athletic genetic potential. Oh, by the way, did you know that such natural ability skips generations-Leslie gets all the credit! :) Go Steers-I'm for the underdawgs vs. the dawgs!!

hookandladder

12-17-2009, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by gameface
Hook-we have incredible talent coming back on both sides of the ball next year for LG. We need to make sure Wilkerson's appetite for passes is satisfied! We'll miss Josh Schneider's incredible touch but hopefully we'll see potential QB's at football camps and practice throwing with dad in front yard on Pecan Street!? Hopefully LG can have another Homer and Applewhite in one package!? No pressure-just see raw talent and know the strong athletic genetic potential. Oh, by the way, did you know that such natural ability skips generations-Leslie gets all the credit! :) Go Steers-I'm for the underdawgs vs. the dawgs!!

Yes, Leslie is very proud of his boy. July 1st will be football time, Air it Out Camp will be right around the corner. LG football does look good for the next few years, this years Senior Group have set the tone.

gameface

12-17-2009, 09:26 AM

:ditto: Hope the Steers have GAMEFACE ON! E is for eggs, G is for gunrack, O is fer the oil I put on my hair and H is HOOK'EM STEERS!

Deuce

12-17-2009, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by gameface
:ditto: Hope the Steers have GAMEFACE ON! E is for eggs, G is for gunrack, O is fer the oil I put on my hair and H is HOOK'EM STEERS!

Tonight will start the process! Big Pep Rally on the town square. I am sure the town will pretty much shut down for this. Time to start getting the game face on!!

hookandladder

12-17-2009, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by Deuce
Tonight will start the process! Big Pep Rally on the town square. I am sure the town will pretty much shut down for this. Time to start getting the game face on!!

I know it may sound as if I am pulling for Carthage however I would like to see Carthage and Graham have a really good game for the fans to see. The main difference for me is I have seen Carthage play and am really impressed with thier team, if Graham does beat Carthage then your Graham team must be the real deal. It's Friday for me so to speak so my last post til after the game. Maybe LG can take that next step next year or the year after and meet your team. Good Luck Deuce and the rest of the Graham fans. Enjoy the Ride.

Rustler

12-17-2009, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by gameface
:ditto: Hope the Steers have GAMEFACE ON! E is for eggs, G is for gunrack, O is fer the oil I put on my hair and H is HOOK'EM STEERS! Gameface..WOW thanks for your support of District 2-3A and Graham:clap: Keep it Up!

Deuce

12-17-2009, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by hookandladder
I know it may sound as if I am pulling for Carthage however I would like to see Carthage and Graham have a really good game for the fans to see. The main difference for me is I have seen Carthage play and am really impressed with thier team, if Graham does beat Carthage then your Graham team must be the real deal. It's Friday for me so to speak so my last post til after the game. Maybe LG can take that next step next year or the year after and meet your team. Good Luck Deuce and the rest of the Graham fans. Enjoy the Ride.

Thanks HOOK! Appreciate all the info. this week. I know our boys will be ready this weekend. I just want both teams to have their best games of the year, and lets see who is the BEST!! DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!

Rustler

12-17-2009, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by hookandladder
I know it may sound as if I am pulling for Carthage however I would like to see Carthage and Graham have a really good game for the fans to see. The main difference for me is I have seen Carthage play and am really impressed with thier team, if Graham does beat Carthage then your Graham team must be the real deal. It's Friday for me so to speak so my last post til after the game. Maybe LG can take that next step next year or the year after and meet your team. Good Luck Deuce and the rest of the Graham fans. Enjoy the Ride. :thinking: :thinking: "if Graham does beat Carthage then your Graham team must be the real deal":thinking: Graham is already the real deal:hand: Just like Carthage, LaGrange and Pitt.....All these teams are the real deal:clap: No loosers on Saturday just one team gets a ring!

steers2

12-17-2009, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Rustler
:thinking: :thinking: "if Graham does beat Carthage then your Graham team must be the real deal":thinking: Graham is already the real deal:hand: Just like Carthage, LaGrange and Pitt.....All these teams are the real deal:clap: No loosers on Saturday just one team gets a ring!

i agree

wimbo_pro

12-17-2009, 11:05 AM

RollDawgs...very good info. Since we thought we had run out of things to discuss, this was refreshing.

GameFace...dont bother getting all giddy about next year...it's already proven that it will be be won by Brownwood. Didnt you get the memo?? LOL

hookandladder

12-17-2009, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
RollDawgs...very good info. Since we thought we had run out of things to discuss, this was refreshing.

GameFace...dont bother getting all giddy about next year...it's already proven that it will be be won by Brownwood. Didnt you get the memo?? LOL

Guess we shall see.

rolldawgs

12-17-2009, 12:11 PM

And now on to another topic - the quarterbacks. Why? Well, I feel that the media coverage (a good thing for both teams) that Case McCoy generates creates a bit of a "story within the story" for this game.
Carthage doesn't often go up against such high-profile athletes that you can google them and see video interviews and game tape; that's pretty cool.

Obviously, I'm not going to be such a homer for Cargthage that I start ranting about what our QB is going to do vs what Case will do, Please, don't let this turn into an "ours vs. yours" thread; let's just admire BOTH of these young men. After all, Case is a 6'2", four-year-starting Senior who not only has signed a D-1 scholly, but signed it with Texas? Nuff said right there...

The Carthage QB is Anthony Morgan, who is...well...not those things mentioned above. Anthony is a 5'9" (in cleats, maybe) Junior who was the starting safety for the Dawgs run to the title last year. And yet, this kid has done some amazing things of his own, and I think I can speak for Carthage enough to say everyone is pretty proud of him. Here are some tidbits on him; for no other reason than to give everyone something else to read.

From the statesman.com, after the Caldwell playoff game:
"Morgan finished with 278 passing yards and five touchdowns. In three games this postseason, Morgan is 35 of 44 for 614 yards and nine touchdowns.
"He throws the ball extremely well, and the offensive line was unbelievable," Caldwell coach Dale Williams said.

In the next game against Lorena, Morgan was 13-for-15 for 171 yards and four touchdowns, so through four playoff games,
he was 48 of 59 for 785 yds. and 13 touchdowns.

He had his "worst" game of the playoffs against La Grange (I'll give La Grange a lot of credit for that; they had very good schemes and effort in the secondary).
He was a more human-like 14 of 26 for 184 yds. and three touchdowns, so the totals for all playoff games are 62/85; 979 yds and 16 touchdowns.

He was named the Ford Texas Tough 3A player of the week after lighting up a district opponent earlier in the year.
From the Gilmer Mirror about that game - .
"How much damage could Anthony Morgan have inflicted if he played an entire game? Try these numbers on for size: In just 2 ½ quarters of action, Carthage’s junior QB completed 11 of 12 passes for 330 yards and five TDs (for 11, 56, 22, 20, and 74 yards) He also ran for a score.

Wouldn't mind seeing more of Case's highlights if you get a chance. None of us can argue with over 4,000 yds; we can only admire it and hope to not put the ball in his hands too many times