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    Good banter here to get them pre-season juices flowing. Both programs should be very proud.

    "2-A-Days" just four days away. Gosh, today's kids would never hang with a real 2-A-Days.

    Watch them Gob's this year WOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Txbroadcaster View Post
    Ehh kinda the biggest stat in the discussion LOL.
    But that not the only stat. More wins, more title games, more regional titles. I’m not sure how he made that post. 87 always has his ducks in a row, but I’m not sure about this one.

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    i am normally with WOS87, but over ten years I have to lean Carthage way.

    Over 5 years I will lean the WOS way.

    Neither school has anything to be ashamed of, that is for sure.

    How many times did they play each other in last 10 years, I am guessing just once?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jason View Post
    Would be interesting to see the records of the teams they beat - region 2 vs region 4 has to play into the quality of win %....
    Agree. I would put Carthage win quality over the last 5 or 10 seasons against anybody. Look, Carthage gets beat. That’s a known. We never go 10-0. Schedule is too tough year in and year out. Plus historically R3 has been very tough. Before the split R3 was considered the toughest. Then after the split until this year 4a D1 R3 was considered the toughest. That has changed now with a loaded R2. I think R2 in both classes is head and shoulders above the rest after the current alignment.

    But historically Carthage has played in the toughest region, and played in ETX who has had the most success at this level over the last 15 years. Don’t know how anybody could argue a tougher schedule. At the end of the season almost every year Carthage is 1-5 toughest SOS in the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buff4ever View Post
    i am normally with WOS87, but over ten years I have to lean Carthage way.

    Over 5 years I will lean the WOS way.

    Neither school has anything to be ashamed of, that is for sure.

    How many times did they play each other in last 10 years, I am guessing just once?
    I’m with you. I am normally onboard with 87 on just about everything. The last 5 years even though Carthage has won more titles, WOS has done enough everywhere else to get the nod. Over 10 years it’s not close.

    Yes only met just once. Before the split we both played in R3, but only got a chance to play once unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buff4ever View Post
    i am normally with WOS87, but over ten years I have to lean Carthage way.

    Over 5 years I will lean the WOS way.

    Neither school has anything to be ashamed of, that is for sure.

    How many times did they play each other in last 10 years, I am guessing just once?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgs View Post
    I’m with you. I am normally onboard with 87 on just about everything. The last 5 years even though Carthage has won more titles, WOS has done enough everywhere else to get the nod. Over 10 years it’s not close.

    Yes only met just once. Before the split we both played in R3, but only got a chance to play once unfortunately.
    Yall are just being nice. Carthage is, was, and likely will be better than WOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WOS87 View Post
    WO-S will hit their 400th win all-time this season... 42nd season ever (1977-2018)

    Carthage hit win 400 in 1996... 73rd season ever (1924-1996)

    Only team I can find to hit 400 quicker was Permian who did it in their 41st season (1959-1999)

    Go backwards 20, 30 or 40 years from 2017 and WO-S still wins by far


    Last 10 years

    WO-S 117-19 86.0%
    Carthage 125-24 83.9%

    Yeah you have the titles over the past 10 years but that's pretty much the only stat you win at over that small window of a time period.

    ...and if you're gonna play the woulda coulda shoulda game dotcom, WOS could just as easily have won 4 straight with a correct call in the Gilmer game and a completed pass rather than an interception in the PG game.

    Well, WOS87, I think you would have needed much more than a completed pass against PG to win, but I have no qualms with arguing you could have/should have beaten Gilmer in '14. I've said that many times. I think WOS was the better team, actually. But they just didn't have the firepower to finish the job in the second half. But, you're right, that call right before the break completely changed things.


    Apart from that, I'm sure Carthage fans would gladly concede all the stat categories you want, because, at the end of the day, they've got all the hardware. I'm not saying WOS fans should be ashamed of anything they've accomplished, because they definitely should not. It's been a fun ride for the Mustang faithful. But their run does not compare to Carthage. And like has been said in this post already, no one's run does in the past decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WOS87 View Post
    WO-S will hit their 400th win all-time this season... 42nd season ever (1977-2018)

    Carthage hit win 400 in 1996... 73rd season ever (1924-1996)

    Only team I can find to hit 400 quicker was Permian who did it in their 41st season (1959-1999)

    Go backwards 20, 30 or 40 years from 2017 and WO-S still wins by far


    Last 10 years

    WO-S 117-19 86.0%
    Carthage 125-24 83.9%

    Yeah you have the titles over the past 10 years but that's pretty much the only stat you win at over that small window of a time period.

    ...and if you're gonna play the woulda coulda shoulda game dotcom, WOS could just as easily have won 4 straight with a correct call in the Gilmer game and a completed pass rather than an interception in the PG game.
    The Won/Loss stat doesn't really matter to Carthage. There's a chance we could start the season 0-3 and still have a shot to be at the big game. Let's just be honest, we've played a tougher schedule in the past 5 years. I think Carthage edges you guys out. If titles were not at factor, it'd definitely be you guys. As for Argyle, it seems every year they're great they end up meeting a special team i.e. La Vega.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctown81 View Post
    The Won/Loss stat doesn't really matter to Carthage. There's a chance we could start the season 0-3 and still have a shot to be at the big game. Let's just be honest, we've played a tougher schedule in the past 5 years. I think Carthage edges you guys out. If titles were not at factor, it'd definitely be you guys. As for Argyle, it seems every year they're great they end up meeting a special team i.e. La Vega.
    SOS last 5 years is not even close. Carthage has played a schedule probably twice as difficult. WOS doesn’t play a tough game from the time district starts until about the 4th round of the playoffs.

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    You guys are hilarious.

    I go away for a few months and almost die and this is the return party I get. I have no argument with Carthage and the last 10 years. Just trying to rile you up in my feeble state and I did so yay me lol.

    I expect WO-S to do one of three (maybe four) things this season. 1. Surprise everyone including themselves and beat ranked Newton, Crosby, Jasper, and Silsbee and breeze to the State Finals for the 5th straight year, 2. Lose to several of the above four and still manage to make it to the State Finals for the 5th straight year, 3. Do reasonably well and complete a 35th consecutive non-losing season. 4. WO-S will smile sadly if R4 El Campo were to somehow pull out yet another win over Carthage. WO-S is 8-1 in Semis. Carthage has some major catching up to do in that stat.

    Things that are guaranteeed to happen: Carthage will be a non-issue in our season. We will play game #500 and be crowned the winningest program in the state even if we start 0-7. Everyone will survive and be okay and I will still be your friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgs View Post
    SOS last 5 years is not even close. Carthage has played a schedule probably twice as difficult. WOS doesn’t play a tough game from the time district starts until about the 4th round of the playoffs.



    I beg to differ. In the past 5 years we’ve lost to 3 state champions, beaten state finalist and semifinalist Kennedale twice and played several schools with more than double or triple our enrollment (Richmond Foster, Nederland, PN-G). What have your scores been vs Silsbee compared to ours? We’re playing 5A Nederland and Crosby and ranked Newton, Silsbee and Jasper all in the first 7 games this season. We don’t choose our playoff opponents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WOS87 View Post



    I beg to differ. In the past 5 years we’ve lost to 3 state champions, beaten state finalist and semifinalist Kennedale twice and played several schools with more than double or triple our enrollment (Richmond Foster, Nederland, PN-G). What have your scores been vs Silsbee compared to ours? We’re playing 5A Nederland and Crosby and ranked Newton, Silsbee and Jasper all in the first 7 games this season. We don’t choose our playoff opponents.
    In the last 5 seasons you honestly think you guys have had a tough regular season schedule? I'll give you Kennedale. I usually take your post in high regards but this is getting ridiculous. How can you even compare this year's schedule to Carthage? Have you been to LL hanging out in Colorado lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctown81 View Post
    In the last 5 seasons you honestly think you guys have had a tough regular season schedule? I'll give you Kennedale. I usually take your post in high regards but this is getting ridiculous. How can you even compare this year's schedule to Carthage? Have you been to LL hanging out in Colorado lately?
    I am wondering the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOS87 View Post



    I beg to differ. In the past 5 years we’ve lost to 3 state champions, beaten state finalist and semifinalist Kennedale twice and played several schools with more than double or triple our enrollment (Richmond Foster, Nederland, PN-G). What have your scores been vs Silsbee compared to ours? We’re playing 5A Nederland and Crosby and ranked Newton, Silsbee and Jasper all in the first 7 games this season. We don’t choose our playoff opponents.
    Lol. Carthage plays #9 Marshall, #3 Gilmer, #5 PG, #8 LE, #8 Hendo, #11 Kilgore. Year in and year out Carthage plays the toughest schedule in the state. Plus have played in the DOD and in the toughest region in the state in their division over the last 5 years (until this year, R2 is the toughest).

    Silsbee? Ok, I’ll bite. I think you are going with this to try to make the point that WOS was better than Carthage in 16’. I got no problem admitting that. But since you asked. Carthage beat Silsbee 64-36 in 17’, 34-30 in 16’, 54-40 in 15’ and 49-6 in 13’. Outscored them 201 - 112 (+89). WOS beat Silsbee 34-17 in 17’, 51-2 in 16’, 49-28 in 15’, and 27-0 in 13’. Outscored them 161-42 (+119). Looks bout the same to me.

    Over the last 5 years Carthage has beat Navasota (twice), WOS, Stafford (twice), China Spring, Abilene Wylie, La Vega, Kennedale, LE, Gilmer, Henderson, Kilgore, etc. That is a who’s who list of 4a teams.

    You are usually spot on. But you are way off here. You would find pretty much nobody that would agree with this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOS87 View Post
    WO-S is 8-1 in Semis. Carthage has some major catching up to do in that stat.
    Carthage is 7-2 in the semi’s. Wouldn’t say “major catching up to do”, lol.

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