Carthage

[Dawgs]

When did this information come out? Was the student charged with a crime?

He wasn’t charged with a crime. His punishment was pre-trial diversion with no formal charges. It’s not a case of if he did it, it’s a case of two counts of Title IX violations and three violations under the 14th amendment for due process and equal protection. They want money from the school due to the fact that they feel like the school did not protect the young lady. The parent is suing for actual damages, compensatory damages, nominal damages, punitive damages, court and litigation costs, expert fees, attorneys' fees, statutory interest and injunctive relief.

Here is a better article that explains it better:
http://www.easttexasmatters.com/news...tter_reaganroy

But there are a lot of things missing from what’s been published. It’s only telling one side, and trying to make it sound as bad as possible. And the tactic about trying to make it about football is very smart considering how successful Surratt and Carthage have been. There is already some unrest about Surratt’s salary, the emphasis that is put on winning, and our facilities.

[Saggy Aggie]

So if the alleged crimes were committed, why was the student not charged with a crime? Is the football program supposed to punish a student who has not been proven guilty much less charged with a crime?

[Dawgs]

So if the alleged crimes were committed, why was the student not charged with a crime? Is the football program supposed to punish a student who has not been proven guilty much less charged with a crime?

This is the issue. This is why a lot of people are waiting to see how this plays out. Not sure where I am at on this until the whole story is out. But obviously some people are ready to strip Carthage of everything we have ever won. Regardless to what happens this occurred before the said player was even on the varsity. Not sure why this took so long to come out. If you read this whole deal was playing out in March of 2017. That was last school year. This is much bigger than football, but unfortunately football was used to grab the headlines due to the success and polarizing nature of the Carthage program and our AD.

My question is why would the following things be in a lawsuit: #44, 99, and 100. Not sure what these have to do with the incident.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ml#document/p1

It’s a terrible thing that happened, but trying to portray this as some huge cover up is a little far fetched for me. We will find out soon enough.

[ctown81]

Sounds to me like there is enough knowledge and enough evidence against the star qb that he should never have been allowed to play last season. If true, then Carthage should be stripped of their title.....end of story. And this may actually happen when all is said and done. Evidently, the knowledge of a video of these two girls nude was seen by enough students that it became a big big ordeal. This kind of situation could not have escaped the knowledge and attention of the coaching staff and teachers.....which means the principal also had knowledge of the incident. Looks like a cover-up of all involved to me......trying to sweep the issue under the rug to save some hides. This is only my opinion from reading the story and using common sense to arrive at some very probable conclusions. The facts will come out, and then we will see who is guilty and who is exonerated from this incident. I don't think the plaintiffs will lose in this suit.....CISD better get ready to pucker up and take the hit.

Im trying to fogutr out why Carthage shoild be stripped. The incident happened off campjs. How was CISD supposed to stop the spread of thr video? Once its on the net, its forever.

[rb585]

Is the football program supposed to punish a student who has not been proven guilty much less charged with a crime?

This line seriously makes me wonder if you ever played high school football.

[rb585]

Im trying to fogutr out why Carthage shoild be stripped. The incident happened off campjs. How was CISD supposed to stop the spread of thr video? Once its on the net, its forever.

Maybe you should first try to figure out the English language before you move on to more complicated reasoning.

[Saggy Aggie]

This line seriously makes me wonder if you ever played high school football.

I didn’t actually, but what does that have to do with anything? Is your job supposed to fire you because you’ve been accused of something and civilly sued but not been proven guilty? Anybody can accuse anybody of anything, doesn’t mean it’s true or not true.

I’m failing to understand why innocent until proven guilty does not apply here?

[ctown81]

Maybe you should first try to figure out the English language before you move on to more complicated reasoning.

Hope that post made you feel better. Be sure to have your mama give you a gold star. Good job!

[coach]

I talked with someone who is VERY close to situation. Here are some things that he told me.

1. He doesn't know exactly who the assistant coach is or was, but there is speculation that the assistant is no longer working for the district due to improper relations with another student.

2. Everyone who knew of the situation thought this had been dealt with and was shocked when the story broke.

3. He never said how much Surratt knew.

4.The family of the girl has had issues with the Athletic Department before over their son. He acted like they were entitled so maybe there is something there about 2 sides of the story.

5. He said when it happened the girl was 14 and when she found out she had been recorded she laughed about it and told him to delete the video. She thought he did and nothing was said until they started talking about at school. He thinks if the girl would have been older and more mature she probably would have realized how terrible this was and would have notified an adult as soon as it happened. He was not putting blame on the girl at all, he was just simply saying her innocence at 14 was a big part of it.

[waterboy]

At the very least, this whole incident was handled completely wrong, and at every level. If what's in the lawsuit is proven true, I believe charges need to be filed. This would fall under the child porn laws. I refuse to believe that this incident wasn't known about by the entire coaching staff. With today's social media, I can guarantee that word got around the campus quickly.

[Bosqueville]

My opinion is that it's silly to say they should have their championship stripped. But I will also say that if the coach simply says I was unaware, it makes me feel the same way I did about Briles. His defense was I had no idea. He's the captain of the ship and to say I was unaware is unacceptable. You can't just turn a blind eye on the social aspects of your program. I'm wondering if the QB is the stud QB that will be playing his senior year this fall? I will say, this happened at China Spring last year (kid was not in athletics). He shared some nudes of a 16 year old girl and guess what, he was arrested for distribution of child porn. Hopefully, the investigation will be done correctly because it sounds like this momma is not going to go away quietly.

[ctown81]

My opinion is that it's silly to say they should have their championship stripped. But I will also say that if the coach simply says I was unaware, it makes me feel the same way I did about Briles. His defense was I had no idea. He's the captain of the ship and to say I was unaware is unacceptable. You can't just turn a blind eye on the social aspects of your program. I'm wondering if the QB is the stud QB that will be playing his senior year this fall? I will say, this happened at China Spring last year (kid was not in athletics). He shared some nudes of a 16 year old girl and guess what, he was arrested for distribution of child porn. Hopefully, the investigation will be done correctly because it sounds like this momma is not going to go away quietly.

If the kid was not arrested and this happened off campus, what could Surratt really do about it? You can't punish a kid who was never charged. I'm no attorney but I imagine the Qb's family could potentially sue the district if that happened.

[Weebe]

If the kid was not arrested and this happened off campus, what could Surratt really do about it? You can't punish a kid who was never charged. I'm no attorney but I imagine the Qb's family could potentially sue the district if that happened.

There doesn't have to be an arrest for a school to take disciplinary action.

Also, there is the possibility that the DA's office was complicit in making this "go away" similar to what happened at Baylor.

[ctown81]

There doesn't have to be an arrest for a school to take disciplinary action.

Also, there is the possibility that the DA's office was complicit in making this "go away" similar to what happened at Baylor.

The coach definitely does have the option to punish but it's not required. I hope justice is served. I'm just speaking on the legal side of it now.

[Aesculus gilmus]

It's not too late to make the jump to the college ranks. He probably would have done well to go to the next level the same year Jeff Traylor did.