Muhammad Ali dies at age 74

[Macarthur]

Flipside to that. Can you not understand AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT why Speedbump may feel like he does. If you were old enough to experience that time period you might understand his feelings better. Experience is a lot more educational than reading about it. That's all I got to say.

I certainly can understand why guys that went are bitter. I just want to make sure the bitterness is directed properly. I have family that went so I understand completely. Is that bitterness directed at Rush Limbaugh, also. How about Ted Nugent? What bugs me to no end are the Hawks that bang the war drum but never stepped up to the plate themselves to answer the call. IMO, there is nothing worse that a POS like Ted Nugent or Limbaugh banging the war drum to send our men and women into harms way when they went to such great lengths to avoid it themselves.

And I disagree with you that it isn't about race with some. There is absolutely no question that race plays a role for SOME.

AND, he lost like 4 years, not two, of his prime. Lost tons of money.

[MUSTANG69]

I certainly can understand why guys that went are bitter. I just want to make sure the bitterness is directed properly. I have family that went so I understand completely. Is that bitterness directed at Rush Limbaugh, also. How about Ted Nugent? What bugs me to no end are the Hawks that bang the war drum but never stepped up to the plate themselves to answer the call. IMO, there is nothing worse that a POS like Ted Nugent or Limbaugh banging the war drum to send our men and women into harms way when they went to such great lengths to avoid it themselves.

And I disagree with you that it isn't about race with some. There is absolutely no question that race plays a role for SOME.

AND, he lost like 4 years, not two, of his prime. Lost tons of money.

Please point out the part of my statement that said anything about race.

[Macarthur]

Purplepop mentioned that

[speedbump]

You're not answering my question. There's no doubt that there were and have been people of all races and creeds that have paid the ultimate price.

What I'm asking you, is given what you know about civil rights in this country (seeing as how you were alive for a good part of it), can you not understand AT LEAST A LITTLE why SOME blacks might not want to go halfway across the globe and fight?

I copied the following from your signature -(Judge a man by his questions rather than by his answers.) LOL

[Macarthur]

[speedbump]

Over your head?

[Macarthur]

Over your head?

Yeah. That's it. Lol.

[1st and goal]

He was a draft dodger.

I can see why liberals would like him.

[Macarthur]

He was a draft dodger.

I can see why liberals would like him.

If he was a dodger, how about your bastion of conservatism buddies mentioned in the article I linked?

It's okay if youre a draft dodger if you have the right politics now, huh?

[maestro]

The ' 60's and that war !!!!!
You can see why it is still a polarizing subject.

God Bless the men who served and paid the ultimate price. All were brave.

We as a country are still suffering from the " distrust of our government " as a result of that Asian War.

It is scary to find out that " possibly " our government and news agencies were not truthful to the public.
It is very tough to judge that time period while living in present times, but most students of History fight that problem all of the time.

[1st and goal]

If he was a dodger, how about your bastion of conservatism buddies mentioned in the article I linked?

It's okay if youre a draft dodger if you have the right politics now, huh?

Watch the first episode of Band of Brothers. They have some interviews at the beginning with some of the old, war heroes. They were mostly talking about signing up and volunteering for their country. One of the guys said something like "In my small hometown, everyone went down to sign up. There were 4 that were disqualified that committed suicide (because they couldn't serve)."

[Macarthur]

Watch the first episode of Band of Brothers. They have some interviews at the beginning with some of the old, war heroes. They were mostly talking about signing up and volunteering for their country. One of the guys said something like "In my small hometown, everyone went down to sign up. There were 4 that were disqualified that committed suicide (because they couldn't serve)."

Totally diff war. We were attacked. Apples and oranges.

[Macarthur]

The ' 60's and that war !!!!!
You can see why it is still a polarizing subject.

God Bless the men who served and paid the ultimate price. All were brave.

We as a country are still suffering from the " distrust of our government " as a result of that Asian War.

It is scary to find out that " possibly " our government and news agencies were not truthful to the public.
It is very tough to judge that time period while living in present times, but most students of History fight that problem all of the time.

There really is no "possibly" about it.

That war was a sham. There's really not much debate about it.

Again, that's not the fault of the men that fought but make no intake, we were lied to.

[bobcat1]

If he was a dodger, how about your bastion of conservatism buddies mentioned in the article I linked?

It's okay if youre a draft dodger if you have the right politics now, huh?

Who was President when the Sham War started? Exactly. Seems like political affiliation arguments don't apply here. He took up a religion to avoid fighting for the country in which he lived period.

[Macarthur]

Who was President when the Sham War started? Exactly. Seems like political affiliation arguments don't apply here. He took up a religion to avoid fighting for the country in which he lived period.

If your point is both parties suck, you'll get no argument from me. Not a nickels worth of diff in them.

But I think you're off base saying he took up a religion solely to avoide the war. And if he did, that's still more noble than the other POS mentioned in the article.