PRECIOUS METALS VS STOCKS: Who ya got???

[regaleagle]

Our economy is in the midst of great jeopardy, and the Almighty Dollar is at great risk of losing its world reserve currency status.....it's slowly losing that status as I write these words. Any Black Swan event worldwide could trigger chaotic turns in the markets, not to mention the everyday battles of the Federal Reserve System worldwide to keep the economies of the world from tanking. Loss of the Petrodollar(not trading oil in dollars worldwide) is the main issue facing the US economy right this minute. The repercussions of that scenario could have very negative impacts on many issues, the Stock Market being one of the most easily at risk. There's good reason now to be overly cautious about one's financial status......the US is not really in a position of stability and strength right now economically or diplomatically.

[waterboy]

Believe me I'm a nobody when it comes to big wealth, however My wife and I are and have been planning for several years now on selling everything we have and building a modest energy efficient home on some land we have had for 25 years. Firewood, Solar,
Rainwater retention and large garden. Guess we will put up the "Come and Take it" flag and get ready. LOL

That's what a lot of people would like to do, get off the grid entirely. The only problem is that you never really "own" your land. You are only renting it from the government via taxes. If you don't pay your taxes they will come and take your land..., and everything else you own before it's said and done. We no longer live in a republic, nor do we truly live in a democracy. We live in a fascist / socialist country where true liberty is a fading memory. Our Constitutional rights have been, and are continuing to erode, and people are giving up personal liberty for security. "Anyone willing to give up liberty for security deserves neither."

[Farmersfan]

When the market has been "at the all time top" for as long as it has(manipulations by TPTB), when will it finally turn down and how much longer can it last? Having your savings invested in a market top right now is very risky, to say the least. Most experts point toward investing at market bottoms, not tops. Same for real estate.....buying when the market is propped can be a big mistake when the market "bubble" that was created finally bursts and the prices begin tumbling downward. There's nothing wrong with long-term investing in good quality stocks, but which ones are they and who's to say even the Blue Ribbon stocks won't take a beating when the Stock Market begins its downturn. There's great risk in getting in and then getting out in time, esp. since we've already had 3 yrs. of continuous increases, albeit fabricated and controlled.

One of the first rules of investing is staying the course. There is ZERO doubt the market will take a dive at some point. It always does. it's normal. If you are invested in funds or stocks that pay dividends that can be reinvested you should want the market to drop because market value isn't your goal. Until retirement you are in what is called the ACCUMULATION stage. Your goal is to get as many shares as you can collect. The lower the price the more shares you can buy. The market value is only important at sell time and buy time. At all other times it's not important at all. I use to have clients who market watched all the time and would call me in a panic if the market dropped just a little. Long term and quality is the only way. Everything else is far too volatile or risky for the average investor. Far too many people panic and end up wanting to buy the next great stock AFTER it has seen huge increases or sell their good stocks after they have realized a big drop. You should buy low and sell high but nerves force people into the exact opposite........

[regaleagle]

For a person my son's age(26), longterm investment in some chosen stocks that appear to be tied to the "right" markets would most probably work out to be a very wise move in the longrun. But there are literally millions of baby boomers out there that have lost large portions of their investment portfolios in the last decade or two(me included) due to manipulations/outright theft/lack of oversight from those that were controlling the markets. Now these baby boomers no longer have the time to accumulate nor the desire to gamble what they still have or have acquired in the stock market again. They just simply cannot afford to take it on the chin again like the millions that did. Hopefully, some stricter regulatory bodies will be established in the future that will have more oversight and power to offset the crooked dealings of those that are now controlling the markets. But for most of those age 50 and above, that time frame may just not happen quickly enough. Hence the importance of safety over risks for systematic gains for a large segment(the largest segment) of investors in the US. They just want to hold on to what they still have and can acquire from here on out. Precious metals is one alternative that is a solid choice that may prove to be a very wise place to park those savings.

[Farmersfan]

For a person my son's age(26), longterm investment in some chosen stocks that appear to be tied to the "right" markets would most probably work out to be a very wise move in the longrun. But there are literally millions of baby boomers out there that have lost large portions of their investment portfolios in the last decade or two(me included) due to manipulations/outright theft/lack of oversight from those that were controlling the markets. Now these baby boomers no longer have the time to accumulate nor the desire to gamble what they still have or have acquired in the stock market again. They just simply cannot afford to take it on the chin again like the millions that did. Hopefully, some stricter regulatory bodies will be established in the future that will have more oversight and power to offset the crooked dealings of those that are now controlling the markets. But for most of those age 50 and above, that time frame may just not happen quickly enough. Hence the importance of safety over risks for systematic gains for a large segment(the largest segment) of investors in the US. They just want to hold on to what they still have and can acquire from here on out. Precious metals is one alternative that is a solid choice that may prove to be a very wise place to park those savings.

The only people who "took it on the chin" was those folks who listened to people like you. Everybody else made out like bandits. (pardon the pun). The market has seen a 300% increase since it's down turn but, according to you, that 300% growth is a mirage or an illusion. Newflash: There have always been market corrections, housing bubbles bursting and economic downturns. It's the nature of the beast. Do you remember the early 80's when people had to wait in line for gas for hours and the housing bubble burst? I was in Midland Tx working in the oil field and afterwards you could buy a half million home for 100K. I was a wireline engineer running a open hole logging truck and we finally shut down after 3 years of giving as much as 70% discounts on jobs just to keep the trucks moving. Everybody was screaming how the world was coming to an end or how America was done. The difference between then and now was people at that point in time were saddled with 12% to 21% interest rates on their homes and cars. You could get a CD from the bank that paid 12% but you paid at least 21% on all your credit accounts and your mortgage.

[regaleagle]

Your nuts.....milions of baby boomers lost literally thousands and thousands of dollars in their investment programs back in the 90's on that first stock market crash....Black Monday. Don't call me or my wife or many of my friends stupid when it was plainly those in YOUR industry doing all the bad deeds. I have a close friend and deer hunting partner that lost over 300k in his AT&T savings and investment portfolio, and my wife and I lost over 100k in ours.....literally overnight. That's the way it went for millions of us all over the nation.....you don't know what you're talking about FF. Those are the facts, and it has all been well-documented what happened and what caused it.

[Farmersfan]

Your nuts.....milions of baby boomers lost literally thousands and thousands of dollars in their investment programs back in the 90's on that first stock market crash....Black Monday. Don't call me or my wife or many of my friends stupid when it was plainly those in YOUR industry doing all the bad deeds. I have a close friend and deer hunting partner that lost over 300k in his AT&T savings and investment portfolio, and my wife and I lost over 100k in ours.....literally overnight. That's the way it went for millions of us all over the nation.....you don't know what you're talking about FF. Those are the facts, and it has all been well-documented what happened and what caused it.

It's pretty obvious to me that you should not be involved in investing. You have demonstrated that you really don't have a clue about how things work. Here is the FACTS about investing in the stock market. What determines whether you make money or lose money is the choices you make personally. But don't EVER try to blame "The Stock Market" because you bailed and sold your shares when it was down. If you didn't sell your shares and your investments were quality to begin with then you certainly should have recovered and shown a big gain by now. At least everybody that I know has........................

http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/hi...etindexes.html

[Farmersfan]

It's pretty obvious to me that you should not be involved in investing. You have demonstrated that you really don't have a clue about how things work. Here is the FACTS about investing in the stock market. What determines whether you make money or lose money is the choices you make personally. But don't EVER try to blame "The Stock Market" because you bailed and sold your shares when it was down. If you didn't sell your shares and your investments were quality to begin with then you certainly should have recovered and shown a big gain by now. At least everybody that I know has........................

http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/hi...etindexes.html

Notice the Volume spike in 2009 when the market dropped so bad. People all over the world were selling their stuff and taking the loses that came with it. Apparently so did you and your friends. Mine didn't! And they are all smiling right now................

[Farmersfan]

And one last thing before I begin to ignore you. The market will correct again in the future. Perhaps soon-perhaps not so soon! but don't think it won't. It always does. Will it be the "BIG ONE"? Who the hell knows. The only thing that I do know 100% for a fact is that if you haven't been investing in stocks the last 5 to 7 years you have lost a ton of opportunity.......(by opportunity I mean money)

[regaleagle]

What I'm referring to is Black Monday, back in the late 80's....a time before you were even involved in the stock market that you know it as today. It was a different scenario back then than it is now, by scales of manipulations. I wouldn't touch it with a 10 ft pole the way things are now, and there are many my age that feel the same as I do. You younger folks have a lot to still learn....so y'all go full steam ahead and see where it gets you. Have a nice trip there FF......just remember you were warned. Today's techno innovations have rendered trading and stock investments very volatile....with computer programs that change the market in nanoseconds....totally controlled by those that know MORE than the average John Q Public investor could ever hope to. They have more money, more power, and no oversight from the controlling bodies, so there will be serious manipulations that don't follow the charts or reasonable expectations. It's the largest casino in the world, and the HOUSE is the winner in the long run. Sure, you may win a few hands....until you lose it all. Good luck with all that. I'll just go to Vegas and have some fun while I'm at it I if feel "lucky".

[regaleagle]

I might add there are always a few "lucky" winners, but are you willing to roll the dice on your future with your hard-earned savings in a climate such as the one we now know for certain is beyond any question manipulated to the nth degree??? There are many other alternative choices out there that may be available to put those hard-earned savings to work in a more secure fashion.....just sayin'. Now perhaps at some time in the future the climate will change and investing in the stock market will return to a more balanced outlook.....but I wouldn't bet on it happening anytime soon.

[regaleagle]

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[regaleagle]

The more they print, the broker we become. One problem gets connected to another, or causes more complexity within the system and needs to be covered over with even more fiat paper printing....known in today's world as QE(Quantitative Easing), a term to hide the real truth. What it means is mass quantities of worthless paper printing of the dollar to "ease" some of the unsolvable problem monsters they've created over the years....well, since the 2008 crash. That makes our purchasing power diminish by degrees and before ya know it everything costs more and you have less to show for it. It stifles capital growth, which stifles investment, which stifles production, which leads to loss of jobs and cut wages. See how everything becomes interconnected into a monsterous FAIL. All of this COULD be avoided, or slowly solved.....just stop the printing presses and start cutting expenditures.....like the runaway military buildup for starters. But the bureaucrats are all on the take....bought and paid for by the bankster cartel that is getting rich by stealing from us. Naturally the real bankster cartel is those that OWN everything.....the Rothschilds, Rockerfellers, JP Morgan family, some of the Bilderburg members, etc. etc. In short, TPTB in the world that control governments, the Federal Reserve, Bank of Internat'l Settlements(BIS), NATO, and whatever else is a governing body or source of funds. It all comes down to FREEDOM.....without it we are all just slaves to a master. And it can get progressively worse quickly without controls in place. Who's to see that there are some checks and balances in the system nowadays, huh? There aren't any.....we are at the mercy of those that are owned by TPTB. Now you know the purpose of this thread....if you haven't already figured that out by now, LOL. But there's some that never will get it. Blame the messengers.....that's always the solution, haha.

[regaleagle]

In the end, I'll take the precious metals over the stock market to win the freedom for the people. It's been proven over the decades and centuries that paper money unbacked by a gold & silver standard will fail, and with that failure also collapses all that is built upon that paper fiat currency.....which includes the stock markets. IF we had an economic system backed by gold(and silver) or some other source of intrinsic value, then we wouldn't have these problems in the first place and the stock market would be a great place to invest. But that is unfortunately not the case....at least not at the present time.

[regaleagle]

Economic freedom is the basis for all freedom in every sense of the definition in today's world. Without it, nothing can be possible. In fact, economic freedom has always been true freedom thru the centuries. Oppression comes about when economic freedom of the people is greatly diminished. HE WHO HAS THE GOLD MAKES THE RULES. That's just the way it is.....almost a natural law in human history.