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Matthew328
10-27-2009, 10:27 AM
Lots of talk about the UIL "fixing 3A" by putting more teams in to eliminate the open districts...basically when looking at #'s the only way I could get somewhat reasonable distict alignments along with filling all 32 districts was a range of 433-1030.....pretty wide range and doubtful it happens...just thought it was interesting..

I've done a 5A, 4A and 3A realignment and here's what I have as ranges

5A:2052-up
4A: 1033-2046.5 (no schools between 2046.5 and 2052)
3A: 433-1030 (no schools between 1030-1033)


Part of the problem I'm seeing is there just aren't enough schools in the low 1000's to fill the bottom of 4A so it widens the gap to try and either fill 3A or 4A at some point

mwynn05
10-27-2009, 11:15 AM
When will you have a guess of the 1a 2a cutoff?

Matthew328
10-27-2009, 11:18 AM
It'll be a while, the D1/D2 thing will throw me off there..

jason
10-27-2009, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Matthew328
It'll be a while, the D1/D2 thing will throw me off there.. slacker

LE Dad
10-27-2009, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Matthew328
It'll be a while, the D1/D2 thing will throw me off there.. Is it possible that the split in 2A will actually require the bottom # being raised, and leave 3A stuck with open districts yet again ?

Matthew328
10-27-2009, 11:32 AM
3A will either have open districts or the 2:1 ratio is not happening, its pick your poison

mwynn05
10-27-2009, 01:16 PM
Were at 224 so hopefully it's 225 wewill be under 210 at the end of the year

WOS87
10-27-2009, 01:22 PM
The other possibility would be to shrink 3A down to 16 districts (with zones if needed) like the old 4A was prior to 1988. That way they could actually decrease the total number of 3A schools, fill all the districts and keep the ratio less than 2:1.

SHSBulldog00
10-27-2009, 01:46 PM
So kind of like how 5A does it in the Houston area?

Matthew328
10-27-2009, 01:58 PM
Only one 5A district has zones (the Fort Bend District), they started it last year after Ike.

District 7-4A (Fort Worth ISD) has been using zone for about six years or so.

I could see 3A going to that....Division 1 playoffs would be odd with just 16 teams.

hollywood
10-27-2009, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Matthew328
Lots of talk about the UIL "fixing 3A" by putting more teams in to eliminate the open districts...basically when looking at #'s the only way I could get somewhat reasonable distict alignments along with filling all 32 districts was a range of 433-1030.....pretty wide range and doubtful it happens...just thought it was interesting..

I've done a 5A, 4A and 3A realignment and here's what I have as ranges

5A:2052-up
4A: 1033-2046.5 (no schools between 2046.5 and 2052)
3A: 433-1030 (no schools between 1030-1033)


Part of the problem I'm seeing is there just aren't enough schools in the low 1000's to fill the bottom of 4A so it widens the gap to try and either fill 3A or 4A at some point

Wow, that would put Stephenville at the smallest school in 4A. Hope your numbers re off by about 10 students.

cotulla
10-27-2009, 02:41 PM
UIL will hold to the 2.2 rule.

So if you say the top # of 3A is 1030, then the bottom will be 468.

bigwood33
10-27-2009, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by cotulla
UIL will hold to the 2.2 rule.

So if you say the top # of 3A is 1030, then the bottom will be 468.
Here is an article in which Cliff Odenwald is quoted as saying the 2A-4A will each consist of approximately 200 schools and that the UIL will be using a 2.0 ratio.
http://leaguer.uil.utexas.edu/index.php/athletics/34-columns/228-reclassification-and-realignment-snapshot-date-oct-15.html
NOW let the guessing begin!:D

Matthew328
10-27-2009, 07:18 PM
Unless there's some funny math I cant see it

Gobbla2001
10-27-2009, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Matthew328
Unless there's some funny math

2+2 walks in to a bar...

bigwood33
10-27-2009, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by Gobbla2001
2+2 walks in to a bar...
Pretty witty!:)

bigwood33
10-27-2009, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Matthew328
Unless there's some funny math I cant see it
I think that Mr. Odenwald would admit that the 200 per classification and 2.0 ratio is a target and the numbers will push a little either one way or the other. I may have miscounted but as I counted the current numbers are: 2A- 203, 3A- 176, and 4A- 239. That is a total of 618 schools in those 3 classifications that play football. There are several new schools opening or have opened that will be 2A, 3A or 4A.
Just in the DFW area there are 5 playing varsity football that have not before: Ponder, Byron Nelson, Frisco Lone Star and Heritage, and North Forney and I know that there are schools in Austin, Boerne, and the Houston area that will be coming into 2A-4A. That must push the number to a dozen or so additional schools that have to be dealt with. 618 + 12 pushes the number to approximately 630.
What does all of this mean? I am not sure but it is interesting to think about and kick around. Good luck with the guessing game.

SHSBulldog00
10-27-2009, 08:28 PM
What school's do we have to do math with to figure enrollment.

Bryan Rudder
??????

SHSBulldog00
10-27-2009, 08:29 PM
Who else

LH Panther Mom
10-27-2009, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by SHSBulldog00
Who else
Leander Rouse - not sure where they stand on numbers - they currently have freshmen & sophomores only. This is Vandergrifts' first year, so I don't know if they will actually opt for being counted or wait 2 years.

duckpluck
10-27-2009, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Leander Rouse - not sure where they stand on numbers - they currently have freshmen & sophomores only. This is Vandergrifts' first year, so I don't know if they will actually opt for being counted or wait 2 years.

Rouse will have 4A numbers and Vandergrift will be 3A numbers. This coming from LISD officials.
I am sure Rouse will be in whatever district Lake Travis is in and Vandy will be with Liberty Hill.

ctown
10-27-2009, 10:30 PM
Two new Frisco HS coming online this year?? Like Wakeland a few years ago. First two years in 3A and the 2nd year had over 1500 enrollment. Whipped them in football but that's about it. Sorry way to bring schools into the system. Oughta put them where they'll be when all the grade levels are filled.

Pendragon13
10-27-2009, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by ctown
Two new Frisco HS coming online this year?? Like Wakeland a few years ago. First two years in 3A and the 2nd year had over 1500 enrollment. Whipped them in football but that's about it. Sorry way to bring schools into the system. Oughta put them where they'll be when all the grade levels are filled. I've always wondered...do new schools bother having homecoming for the first couple years?:thinking: I can't imagine going to a school that has no history or legacy to follow..

Matthew328
10-28-2009, 10:06 AM
its called forthcoming until the first senior class graduates

SHSBulldog00
10-28-2009, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by ctown
Two new Frisco HS coming online this year?? Like Wakeland a few years ago. First two years in 3A and the 2nd year had over 1500 enrollment. Whipped them in football but that's about it. Sorry way to bring schools into the system. Oughta put them where they'll be when all the grade levels are filled.

That would be Frisco Centennial and who?

ctown
10-28-2009, 08:53 PM
Frisco Liberty HS online in 07. I don't think they have junior class till next year. If they count incoming 8th?? maybe they are 4A but Wakeland came on at 3A then left with 1550+ to 4A. Frisco Lone Star HS coming online in 2010 for students north of Wakeland. Not sure if they are bracketed for varsity UIL next year but those are the two I am wondering about.

ctown
10-28-2009, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by bigwood33
I think that Mr. Odenwald would admit that the 200 per classification and 2.0 ratio is a target and the numbers will push a little either one way or the other. I may have miscounted but as I counted the current numbers are: 2A- 203, 3A- 176, and 4A- 239. That is a total of 618 schools in those 3 classifications that play football. There are several new schools opening or have opened that will be 2A, 3A or 4A.
Just in the DFW area there are 5 playing varsity football that have not before: Ponder, Byron Nelson, Frisco Lone Star and Heritage, and North Forney and I know that there are schools in Austin, Boerne, and the Houston area that will be coming into 2A-4A. That must push the number to a dozen or so additional schools that have to be dealt with. 618 + 12 pushes the number to approximately 630.
What does all of this mean? I am not sure but it is interesting to think about and kick around. Good luck with the guessing game.

You know, if they are breaking out the d1 and D2 for district pairings preseason, will they then be able to put 3A up to 200 highschools from 176 if they aren't worried about big 3As getting into the D2 bracket.
4a is over by a number similar to the under for 3A--just move the 3A top number upward?? But that would still make it disparity for other sports.

SHSBulldog00
10-29-2009, 12:00 PM
Schools scheduled to open in next couple of years

EP/S Eastlake
C-F Cypress Lakes -- Broke ground in 2007. Sister-school Cypress Ranch opens in 2008, as scheduled. Cypress Woods was supposed to open in 2009, but that was moved up a year to help alleviate overcrowding at Cypress Springs.
Humble #6 -- Broke ground July 31, 2007, on $71.7M campus at Beltway 8 and W. Houston Lake Pkwy. Designed for 3,200 students.
Katy #7 -- KISD has land purchased for two more future sites.
FW/Kllr. Timber Creek -- Opens in 2009, just of I-35W in booming alliance corridor. Will not affect enrollment at Keller High.
La Joya Carter -- La Joya ISD has, for years, annually redrawn attendance maps, using Carter and Juarez/Lincoln as feeders to LJHS. But with the construction of Palmview -- which came online this year -- residents demanded a stop to the redrawing of boundaries each year. The original solution was to make all four campuses independent four-year schools. Carter was the only one that didn't come online in the UIL 2008 realignment. However, plans change rapidly is LJISD, so stay tuned.
Round Rock (SE) -- Gattis School Road campus opens in 2010.
Tomball #2 -- Voters approved construction in 2007 bond election.
Trophy Club/NW Nelson -- Explosive growth in the Alliance corridor, along I-35W north of Fort Worth, has ballooned Northwest High from an average-sized 4A school to more than 3,000 students. NISD has been working on plans for several years, in anticipation of this growth, to add two more high schools
Wylie East -- Opened doors to freshmen in 2007. After debate, appears school my only be a feeder to Wylie High.

Could any of these school's open in 3A?

BILLYFRED0000
10-29-2009, 12:46 PM
The problem is that it rolls from the top down. 5a first. then 4a.
They are not going to fill 3a districts because they did that to get some equity and allow 5 and 4a to work. It will not change in that regard. That being said the numbers will go up because if they do not there will be too many 4 and 5 a schools as always.