Could HISD shake up the 3a Districts

[4x100jackets]

INFO taken from UIL web page....

These are the (OFFICIAL) enrollment numbers that were turned in last week.

4a schools
Houston Kashmere 533
Houston Scarborough 746
Houston Jones 861
Houston Furr 888

3a schools
Bellville 688
Sealy 758
Stafford 844
Needville 845
West Columbia 874

[LE Dad]

Originally posted by 4x100jackets
INFO taken from UIL web page....

These are the (OFFICIAL) enrollment numbers that were turned in last week.

4a schools
Houston Kashmere 533
Houston Scarborough 746
Houston Jones 861
Houston Furr 888

3a schools
Bellville 688
Sealy 758
Stafford 844
Needville 845
West Columbia 874 The overall shakeup throughout Texas is going to be huge. I do not envy the UILs job this go around. There are a lot of drop ins and drop outs, if these hi/low projections hold true. It's the UIL, so come February, the only thing for sure is that there will be realignment. :thinking:

[3afan]

Originally posted by 4x100jackets
INFO taken from UIL web page....
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link?

[venomous tat2]

The HISD school will most likely stay up in 4A but if they don't watch out region 3 basketball Jones & Kashmere will be stout , they play schools like wheatley & Yates every year . They won't however make much noise in football . :thinking:

[onsideanytime]

that would be great, that is usually an automatic win against those hisd schools when it comes to football, as for bball goodluck

[GreenMonster]

There are a few Dallas ISD schools dropping this year as well. As per a previous thread DISD will NOT opt up with their 3A enrollment schools this year as they have done in the past.

[carter08]

if those 4 drop, could they be in a district with LaMarque and Brookshire?

Leaving the rest of the area teams + el campo in 26?

really, it feels like all of them dropping would be an overload. split 26 into two divisions with a championship game the last week? hah hah, yeah right.

[SHSBulldog00]

Originally posted by 4x100jackets
INFO taken from UIL web page....

These are the (OFFICIAL) enrollment numbers that were turned in last week.

4a schools
Houston Kashmere 533
Houston Scarborough 746
Houston Jones 861
Houston Furr 888

3a schools
Bellville 688
Sealy 758
Stafford 844
Needville 845
West Columbia 874

You can add

Sweeny 587
Wharton ?
Brookshire Royal ?
Columbus ?

Any numbers for Wharton, Brookshire and Columbus?

[HEMOTOXIC]

Due to the lack of support from some of the inner city high schools, especially in football, I would hate to be in the district with any of the Houston schools. I hate when Navasota schedules Houston schools. Sometimes the band, cheerleaders, etc are present when they come to your place. When visiting those schools, you would think you were playing a junior high based on attendance.

I really hope that Navasota doesnt end up with those schools. It has been a while, but, Navasota, being only an hour away, has ended up in the district with schools in HISD.

[Matthew328]

Guys,

Houston ISD has six schools with 3A enrollments as of 2008 enrollment #'s...early word is HISD will allow all six to drop and they should have their own 3A district so no one will have to worry about it...

Furr 888
Jones 861
Kashmere 533
Scarborough 746
Washington 944
Worthing 951

[HEMOTOXIC]

Originally posted by Matthew328
Guys,

Houston ISD has six schools with 3A enrollments as of 2008 enrollment #'s...early word is HISD will allow all six to drop and they should have their own 3A district so no one will have to worry about it...

Furr 888
Jones 861
Kashmere 533
Scarborough 746
Washington 944
Worthing 951

Thanks You!:D

[carter08]

Originally posted by Matthew328
Guys,

Houston ISD has six schools with 3A enrollments as of 2008 enrollment #'s...early word is HISD will allow all six to drop and they should have their own 3A district so no one will have to worry about it...

Furr 888
Jones 861
Kashmere 533
Scarborough 746
Washington 944
Worthing 951

so, if Lamarque drops, do they go into that district or would we still see them in a district like 26? the drive time would be shorter if they were in an HISD district.

[Pudlugger]

Just make a new district. Isn't D31 an empty district?

[carter08]

Originally posted by Pudlugger
Just make a new district. Isn't D31 an empty district?

30 is, yeah. totally forgot about there being an empty district.

i guess make them 25 and shift the rest down or something. both the current 25 and 26 would probably love that idea, since they'd be guaranteed to make it out of the first round basically.

[SHSBulldog00]

Originally posted by carter08

i guess make them 25 and shift the rest down or something. both the current 25 and 26 would probably love that idea, since they'd be guaranteed to make it out of the first round basically.

Don't you mean 26 3A would benefit as D 25 has swept the 1st rd?

[carter08]

Originally posted by SHSBulldog00
Don't you mean 26 3A would benefit as D 25 has swept the 1st rd?

yes, but 25 would end up playing the houston schools and wouldn't have to work as hard.

[SHSBulldog00]

Then the current 26 would play the current 27 (La Vernia etc.). But they could move the teams in 26 back to 28 where they use to be in the 90's.

[WOS87]

HISD would more likely than not go to Region III (District 23 is also an empty district currently). The UIL hasn't put any HISD school in Region IV in over 50 years (1955 was the last time).

[carter08]

Originally posted by WOS87
HISD would more likely than not go to Region III (District 23 is also an empty district currently). The UIL hasn't put any HISD school in Region IV in over 50 years (1955 was the last time).

Okay, didn't realize 23 was open also. Nevermind. xD

[Move The Chains]

Originally posted by carter08
if those 4 drop, could they be in a district with LaMarque and Brookshire?

Those 4 with LM and Stafford. Not Brookshire.


That'd be ideal.

[carter08]

Originally posted by Move The Chains
Those 4 with LM and Stafford. Not Brookshire.


That'd be ideal.

LM would roll in that district. Stafford would have a chance at making the playoffs.

[Move The Chains]

Originally posted by carter08
LM would roll in that district. Stafford would have a chance at making the playoffs. Stafford WOULD make the playoffs. LM would win every game by 40+.... 50 if they wanted to.

[carter08]

Originally posted by Move The Chains
Stafford WOULD make the playoffs. LM would win every game by 40+.... 50 if they wanted to.

Imagine a world in which Stafford only has to upset Lamarque to end up undefeated district champs. Wow.

we aren't giving these HISD schools credit.

the only one I've heard anything about is Kashmere. Bleh, are they as bad as we make them sound?

[WOS87]

Jones hasn't been good since they almost beat Houston Yates in the 1985 Quarterfinals (they've won a total of 1 playoff game since 1985, over another HISD school of course).

Kashmere used to be quite the powerhouse in the late 1970's...

Now? Not so much

[Move The Chains]

Originally posted by carter08
Imagine a world in which Stafford only has to upset Lamarque to end up undefeated district champs. Wow.

we aren't giving these HISD schools credit.

the only one I've heard anything about is Kashmere. Bleh, are they as bad as we make them sound? WC rolled Kashmere when we were playing pretty bad. That tell you something?

[carter08]

Nondistrict records this year for those schools

Kashmere- 2-1 (loss WC, beat North Forest, and Hargrave)
Washington- 0-3 (loss to Yates, Bellair, Livingston)
Worthing- 1-2 (loss to Needville, Ozen. beat North Forest)
Scarborough- 1-1 (beat Austin, loss Reagan)
Furr- 1-1 (beat Davis, loss Kelly Catholic)
Jones- 1-2 (beat Reagan, loss Alief Taylor, Chavez)

Hmm.

[Matthew328]

It would be doubtful UIL would stick LaMarque or Stafford in an all HISD district...the HISD schools would control every vote, etc.

If its an all HISD district my guess is LaMarque and Stafford would go south and play with Wharton, El Campo, et al.

Stafford could go west w/Brookshire Royal and Sealy though

[carter08]

Originally posted by Matthew328
It would be doubtful UIL would stick LaMarque or Stafford in an all HISD district...the HISD schools would control every vote, etc.

If its an all HISD district my guess is LaMarque and Stafford would go south and play with Wharton, El Campo, et al.

Stafford could go west w/Brookshire Royal and Sealy though

having Lamarque with El Campo would be a terrible drive though.

[Matthew328]

Terrible drive is relative for some. UIL does not like putting one or two single school ISD teams in a district with 4 + schools from the same ISD. One or two even 3 max but six its doubtful. Travel is relative for folks in metro areas considering some West Texas districts that have to travel 200 miles one way for a district game

[Old Green]

Originally posted by Matthew328
It would be doubtful UIL would stick LaMarque or Stafford in an all HISD district...the HISD schools would control every vote, etc.

If its an all HISD district my guess is LaMarque and Stafford would go south and play with Wharton, El Campo, et al.

Stafford could go west w/Brookshire Royal and Sealy though El campo could also be shifted over to a district with Cuero and Gonzales. Only about a 70 mile travel distance since 4 teams in the district are projected to turn in 2A numbers.

[Matthew328]

Hearing Austin Reagan and Austin Eastside Memorial (formerly Johnston) will have 3A numbers and won't opt up

[ctown]

If all these schools in this thread are likely to not opt up, that means the number of schools in 4A will drop overall, barring an equal number of move ups or new schools coming on line. Wouldn't that tend to drive the top enrollment limit of 3A down to refill the 4A losses?? Might not do much for the lower limit of 3A though.

[GreenMonster]

Originally posted by ctown
If all these schools in this thread are likely to not opt up, that means the number of schools in 4A will drop overall, barring an equal number of move ups or new schools coming on line. Wouldn't that tend to drive the top enrollment limit of 3A down to refill the 4A losses?? Might not do much for the lower limit of 3A though. This is a total non-issue. The scenario you speak of is if, and only if, no new schools are added into either of the top 2 classifications. Yet we already know that this is not the case. With all of the new schools added in and Metro schools choosing not to opt up the top number of 3A will still climb this year in all likelyhood. Remember, 3A is the smallest classification in the UIL so there is plenty of room for it to grow. Not only is there potential for the top number to go up, but there is still potential for the bottom number to slide down especially if both 2A and 3A vote for the big school/ small school allignments. If districts are alligned into big schools and small schools the wide numbers disparity that had forced UIL to keep 3A small will not be anywhere near as much of an issue anymore.

[ziggy29]

So where are these "official" enrollment numbers posted?

[GreenMonster]

Originally posted by ziggy29
So where are these "official" enrollment numbers posted? They are not posted, you just have to have blind faith that Mathew328 has the hookup and is getting accurate information from the high school coaches that are his informants. His count WILL be VERY close. 5A has the top 245 enrollments. 4A does not necessarily have 245 but it's usually somewhere close. Traditionally 3A has the smallest number of schools because of the wide disparity of kids from the top of the division to the bottom of the division. A 600 student disparity isn't near as much of an issue in those larger divisions but if you have a 600 kid disparity in 3A because team A has 1000 kids in school and team B only has 400 then it quickly becomes an issue because of the limited talent pool in the school of only 400. Big school small school divisions evens the playing field dramatically and might even allow the bottom of 3A to drop down into 2A a bit to expand on the number of 3A schools. If 2A follows suit then it would enable some of the larger class A schools to go up into 2A and still be competetive in the small school division of that classification. Class A traditionally has the most schools because after football season all of the 6 man schools and all the small schools that choose not to play football at all compete as class A schools in all other sports. Putting more of these schools in 2A would ease the pressure of basketball, track, and baseball seasons. Granted the number of class A football schools would drop in this scenario, but it is not completely out of the realm of possibilities either.

[Matthew328]

Exactly what Green Monster said :)

You won't find official #'s posted anywhere until Feb. 1 but with enough time and energy and hook ups you can get your hands on a lot of enrollment #s and make a good guess where the 5A/4A cut line will be...after that its a guess...

Right now I have it at 2058...so I'll start the 4A/3A cut line at 1030 and work up or down until I get to 220 schools. Then I'll tweak a little here and there for workable districts...

Right now I will say the 4A/3A cut will be in the 1020-1050 range.....

[ziggy29]

Originally posted by Matthew328
Right now I will say the 4A/3A cut will be in the 1020-1050 range.....
Wow. That's going to create a huge range for 3A, particularly if the cutoff remains in the low 400s for 2A/3A.

[mwynn05]

Originally posted by Matthew328
Exactly what Green Monster said :)

You won't find official #'s posted anywhere until Feb. 1 but with enough time and energy and hook ups you can get your hands on a lot of enrollment #s and make a good guess where the 5A/4A cut line will be...after that its a guess...

Right now I have it at 2058...so I'll start the 4A/3A cut line at 1030 and work up or down until I get to 220 schools. Then I'll tweak a little here and there for workable districts...

Right now I will say the 4A/3A cut will be in the 1020-1050 range..... what about the 1a/2a cut?