Proposed Two Divisions for AAA

[SHSBulldog00]

Here are the links

Div 1 www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/football/football_align_study/3A_Div1.pdf

Div 2
www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/football/football_align_study/3A_Div2.pdf

Anyone now if it passed?

[SHSBulldog00]

Here is the proposed split range from previous enrollment numbers.

SPLIT CONFERENCE FOOTBALL ALIGNMENT STUDY - DRAFT

Conference Enrollment Range
5A Division 1 2565 and above
5A Division 2 2085 - 2564
4A Division 1 1520 - 2084
4A Division 2 980 - 1519
3A Division 1 629 - 979
3A Division 2 430 - 628
2A Division 1 292 - 429
2A Division 2 200 - 291
1A Division 1 155 - 199
1A Division 2 100 - 154

[mwynn05]

Originally posted by SHSBulldog00
Here is the proposed split range from previous enrollment numbers.

SPLIT CONFERENCE FOOTBALL ALIGNMENT STUDY - DRAFT

Conference Enrollment Range
5A Division 1 2565 and above
5A Division 2 2085 - 2564
4A Division 1 1520 - 2084
4A Division 2 980 - 1519
3A Division 1 629 - 979
3A Division 2 430 - 628
2A Division 1 292 - 429
2A Division 2 200 - 291
1A Division 1 155 - 199
1A Division 2 100 - 154 we know.....this is like two years old

[Electus Unus]

breaking news....Ricky Williams commits to the Longhorns.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Originally posted by Electus Unus
breaking news....Ricky Williams commits to the Longhorns. Ricky who?

[Electus Unus]

Originally posted by SintonFan_inAustin
Ricky who? You know the future Heisman trophy winner

[captain d]

The UIL executive staff said that the Supt.'s voted on this and a majority wanted a split division.

[Trashman]

If that is indeed the case; when will these split divisions take place?

[I. B. Watching]

Why notjust have 10 different classifications instead of five with two divisions? Or is that too many A's? I know at one time we went up to 4A and had 1B and 2B, so I guess technically we've had has many as six classes.

[Electus Unus]

Originally posted by I. B. Watching
Why notjust have 10 different classifications instead of five with two divisions? Or is that too many A's? I know at one time we went up to 4A and had 1B and 2B, so I guess technically we've had has many as six classes. OR WHY NOT LEAVE IT ALONE?

[Trashman]

since we don't ave "B" schools anymore, couldn't they do away with the A, AA, AAA, altogether?:D

[SHSBulldog00]

Originally posted by Trashman
If that is indeed the case; when will these split divisions take place?

The split will begin NEXT YEAR when the new alignment comes out.

[captain d]

Should happen next alignment. The supt.'s voted against split divisions in 4a and 5a so these should stay the same.

[SHSBulldog00]

What are the Houston ISD School's moving to 3A?

Houston Furr 888
Houston Jones 861
Houston Kashmere 533
Houston Scarborough 746
Houston Washington 944
Houston Worthing 951

last times numbers.

[I. B. Watching]

I would prefer them adding a new classification or two. If they do it with the split, I hope just one or two teams from each district makes the playoffs. Hope they don't try to shove four in

[Phantom Stang]

Originally posted by Electus Unus
OR WHY NOT LEAVE IT ALONE?
+1

[BEAST]

So somebody answer a question for me. Are all districts going to be mad up of either "big" schools or "small" schools?




BEAST

[warpig]

I wish they would just go to 5 divisions with only the district champs going to the playoffs. Like the good old days.

I know they won't because of the almighty $$$$!

[Trashman]

Originally posted by BEAST
So somebody answer a question for me. Are all districts going to be mad up of either "big" schools or "small" schools?




BEAST

Yes, under the proposal we would be in Div 1
District 3
Abilene Wylie
Brownwood
Graham
Snyder
Sweetwater

Breckenridge would be Div 2
District 3
Breckenridge
China Spring
Glen Rose
Hillsboro
West
Whitney

[hawkfan]

District 2

Brownfield
Dalhart
Iowa Park
Lamesa
Perryton
Vernon

Have fun with that one!!

[marler1972]

Why are they looking at doing this? I think they need to leave it how it is right now.

[Pick6]

Originally posted by warpig
I wish they would just go to 5 divisions with only the district champs going to the playoffs. Like the good old days.

I know they won't because of the almighty $$$$!

We get many more games to watch now. Why change that?

[SHSBulldog00]

Scheduling non district games will be easier. Big school's could play small school's for non district. It would keep a lot of the traditional matchups.

[lulu]

Originally posted by SHSBulldog00
Scheduling non district games will be easier. Big school's could play small school's for non district. It would keep a lot of the traditional matchups.

And it would be good for us small schools with 400to 500 kiddos not to have to compete with schools that have 800-900 kiddos.
I know the larger schools like being on the top of the heap every year but the smalls ones can't get there very often. Just a view from down here in small town.

[lulu]

Originally posted by marler1972
Why are they looking at doing this? I think they need to leave it how it is right now.

Would you think that if your team was not always in the playoffs?

[BILLYFRED0000]

Yes, I like it. the 3 team playoff format was to give small schools more of a chance. However if you had large schools in your region making the playoffs in d2 that defeats the purpose. The two division district was proposed and that makes more sense. Not everybody can survive a tough region against large school opponents. But a good small school should be given the chance to perform. This system is not perfect but I believe better overall.

[lulu]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Yes, I like it. the 3 team playoff format was to give small schools more of a chance. However if you had large schools in your region making the playoffs in d2 that defeats the purpose. The two division district was proposed and that makes more sense. Not everybody can survive a tough region against large school opponents. But a good small school should be given the chance to perform. This system is not perfect but I believe better overall.

My feeling exactly. Small teams don't have a prayer up against schools almost twice their size. I don't really care how they accomplish it as long as it is fair for everyone and not stacked against smaller schools.

[lulu]

Hey Billy.....who is the largest 3a district opponent you guys play?

Just wondering.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by lulu
Hey Billy.....who is the largest 3a district opponent you guys play?

Just wondering.
Dont know. Have not checked the numbers lately. I do know that Prosper is over 700, Gainvesville is over 800, etc. We are the 2nd smallest iin our district I think. We are hanging around the 500 mark plus or minus. Argyle is close to 700.

[Electus Unus]

This was posted a few years ago...


Note: This is a compiled list from all of those who competed in the 3a state championships.

LH was smaller than Gilmer, Pleasanton, Navasota, Carthage, and Robinson. *No school LH played in the playoffs had a smaller enrollment.

Celina was smaller than China Spring, Snyder, Pittsburg, West, Emory Rains and Glen Rose. *No school Celina played in the playoffs had a smaller enrollment

Gilmer was smaller than Roosevelt, Abilene Wylie, Mabank, and Liberty-Eylau. *Only one school Gilmer played in the playoffs was smaller than Gilmer and that was the division 1 state champions LH.

China Spring was smaller than Cuero, La Vega, and Kirbyville. *Only three schools China Spring faced had smaller enrollements in Rockdale, Westood, and the division II state champions Celina.


IMO enrollment does not matter as much as one would think and I think the need for two divisions because of enrollment is a pointless process.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by Electus Unus
This was posted a few years ago...


Note: This is a compiled list from all of those who competed in the 3a state championships.

LH was smaller than Gilmer, Pleasanton, Navasota, Carthage, and Robinson. *No school LH played in the playoffs had a smaller enrollment.

Celina was smaller than China Spring, Snyder, Pittsburg, West, Emory Rains and Glen Rose. *No school Celina played in the playoffs had a smaller enrollment

Gilmer was smaller than Roosevelt, Abilene Wylie, Mabank, and Liberty-Eylau. *Only one school Gilmer played in the playoffs was smaller than Gilmer and that was the division 1 state champions LH.

China Spring was smaller than Cuero, La Vega, and Kirbyville. *Only three schools China Spring faced had smaller enrollements in Rockdale, Westood, and the division II state champions Celina.


IMO enrollment does not matter as much as one would think and I think the need for two divisions because of enrollment is a pointless process.

Yes that is true but those schools have had outstanding programs at the time they won either athletically or coaching or both. You would not have many Celina teams that are not competitive over the last 15 years. It is the rest of the small schools we are talking about. Giving them a chance to shine. Just because a handful of teams make the exception does not change the rule.

[Electus Unus]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Yes that is true but those schools have had outstanding programs at the time they won either athletically or coaching or both. You would not have many Celina teams that are not competitive over the last 15 years. It is the rest of the small schools we are talking about. Giving them a chance to shine. Just because a handful of teams make the exception does not change the rule. Then here were these exceptions and what not that same year go blue was talking about...





the smallest 3a school with 228.5 students, made the playoffs.

Cameron Yoe made the playoffs and they were the smallest team in the district. Taylor did not make the playoffs and they were the second largest team in the district behind Hutto who also did not make the playoffs.

Colombus was the second smallest team in it's district. West Columbia is the largest team in that district and they failed to make the playoffs.

Lytle was the smallest team in their district and advanced to the second round.

Palacious was the smallest team in their district and made playoffs.

Emory Rains was the was the second smallest team in their district and made the playoffs. Quinland Ford, second largest in the district, did not make the playoffs.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Dont know. Have not checked the numbers lately. I do know that Prosper is over 700, Gainvesville is over 800, etc. We are the 2nd smallest iin our district I think. We are hanging around the 500 mark plus or minus. Argyle is close to 700.




Hey Billy! I spoke with a fellow in the Celina stands on Sat that seemed to be in the know who told us that Celina will have an enrollment of over 600 this year and will be 800 to 900 by the NEXT classification change. I never received his name but he appeared to be a member of the faculty. Was he one of those gulley jumpers who just comes to town on gamenight or does that sound about right?
I also was told early saturday that Farmersville has lost 40 students since last enrollment not counting the loss of the larger senior class so should be below about 420. AGAIN!!!!

[lulu]

Originally posted by Electus Unus
Then here were these exceptions and what not that same year go blue was talking about...





the smallest 3a school with 228.5 students, made the playoffs.

Cameron Yoe made the playoffs and they were the smallest team in the district. Taylor did not make the playoffs and they were the second largest team in the district behind Hutto who also did not make the playoffs.

Colombus was the second smallest team in it's district. West Columbia is the largest team in that district and they failed to make the playoffs.

Lytle was the smallest team in their district and advanced to the second round.

Palacious was the smallest team in their district and made playoffs.

Emory Rains was the was the second smallest team in their district and made the playoffs. Quinland Ford, second largest in the district, did not make the playoffs.

OK
but did any win when they got up against teams with 800 to900 students?
I'm not trying to argue..I really don't know the answers to these questions. Do you know if there has, in the recent past, been a team with 300 to 500 kids beat a school that had upwards and past 850 students when they got into the playoffs?

[Ranger Mom]

YUCK!!!!!!!

District 1

Anthony - 333 miles
Clint - 292 miles
Midland Greenwood - *
Monahans - 65 miles
Pecos - 105 miles
Tornillo - 279 miles

[BobcatBenny]

It is going to suck having to have a 3ADownlow Division I and a 3ADownlow Division II. :D

[ronwx5x]

"Can't we all just get along?"

:kiss:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by BobcatBenny
It is going to suck having to have a 3ADownlow Division I and a 3ADownlow Division II. :D

I will go on record and say that will NEVER happen!!

(but I didn't think the "sports forum" and the "other forum" would ever happen either!!):thinking:


I will just shut up now!!:helpme:

[lange4]

We won't have travel that bad but almost in d-11. Llano is 70 miles west of -35. All other teams in region are East of I35 by a considerable distance. As it stands right now we are the smallest school in the district with 510. 3 schools have over 900. 1 over 700 and another over 600. We have stll made the playoffs the last 5 years. My vote (which i know i do not get) is stay as is.

[lulu]

Originally posted by ronwx5x
"Can't we all just get along?"

:kiss:

I would hope. Seems like if you ask a few questions it really gets some folks riled up. Don't see the problem. Nobodys trying to take away their football.

[lulu]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
YUCK!!!!!!!

District 1

Anthony - 333 miles
Clint - 292 miles
Midland Greenwood - *
Monahans - 65 miles
Pecos - 105 miles
Tornillo - 279 miles

Well heck MOM move over here to East Texas we're all bunched up together. We would love having you.

[marler1972]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Hey Billy! I spoke with a fellow in the Celina stands on Sat that seemed to be in the know who told us that Celina will have an enrollment of over 600 this year and will be 800 to 900 by the NEXT classification change. I never received his name but he appeared to be a member of the faculty. Was he one of those gulley jumpers who just comes to town on gamenight or does that sound about right?
I also was told early saturday that Farmersville has lost 40 students since last enrollment not counting the loss of the larger senior class so should be below about 420. AGAIN!!!!

Dont believe everything you hear. I have been told we will be around 500-525. I know we have lost some kids that have moved out of town.

[marler1972]

Originally posted by lulu
Would you think that if your team was not always in the playoffs?
I grew up and played ball at Richardson high back in the late 80's and we played the Plano schools which had more than double the amount of students and we competed with them year in and year out and won district also. So to answer your question no it needs to stay the way it is now. In my opinion we already have too many teams in the playoffs and too many state champions in football.

[SHSBulldog00]

Sweeny is the second smallest school in our district. We went undefeated in district 2 out of the last 3 years and are picked to win it again. Don't have exact number but it should be over 600.

[eagles26]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Dont know. Have not checked the numbers lately. I do know that Prosper is over 700, Gainvesville is over 800, etc. We are the 2nd smallest iin our district I think. We are hanging around the 500 mark plus or minus. Argyle is close to 700.

Hey Billy I'm a student at Prosper and according to our Counseling Department we have about 900 here, don't know whether that is above or below the mark, just wanted to let you know.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Hey Billy! I spoke with a fellow in the Celina stands on Sat that seemed to be in the know who told us that Celina will have an enrollment of over 600 this year and will be 800 to 900 by the NEXT classification change. I never received his name but he appeared to be a member of the faculty. Was he one of those gulley jumpers who just comes to town on gamenight or does that sound about right?
I also was told early saturday that Farmersville has lost 40 students since last enrollment not counting the loss of the larger senior class so should be below about 420. AGAIN!!!!

Well my number 3 daughter is going into 6 grade and I know they have around 160. Projecting that along in 3 years if the other classes are the same is only 640. I'm a not so sure where the guy gets his numbers. My guess is that in 3 years we will be around 750. in 5 maybe 880. In 7 around a grand maybe. But not more than.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by eagles26
Hey Billy I'm a student at Prosper and according to our Counseling Department we have about 900 here, don't know whether that is above or below the mark, just wanted to let you know.

I'm not surprised. Ya'll have been growing fast since the tollway got there. Under the mark for this alignment. Next probably not.
I bet yall will hit 1200 plus for the 2012 alignment at that rate.

[PPSTATEBOUND]

Does the outgoing 2010 class get counted in the re-alignment.

[eagles26]

If the 900 number is correct, we've grown by about 170 over the summer because we had 730 at the end of last summer, though I know our Freshman Class is very big! I hope we stay can stay in 3A for another year!

[lulu]

Originally posted by lulu
OK
but did any win when they got up against teams with 800 to900 students?
I'm not trying to argue..I really don't know the answers to these questions. Do you know if there has, in the recent past, been a team with 300 to 500 kids beat a school that had upwards and past 850 students when they got into the playoffs?

Anybody?

[PPSTATEBOUND]

I believe celina put a whoopin on Paris N.lamar...in 03

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by lulu
Anybody?
We did beat Gainesville in 02. 347 to 875 methinks. That was one heck of a game. SRO and boy was it loud.

[LLM_1331]

PPSTATEBOUND, why would they count kid's who are not going to be in school. Dang

[Twirling Time]

For all you "splitters" out there ... the only division that will split in 2010 is Class 1A 11-man. It's following the lead of the 6-man schools that started this alignment. The earliest you will see anyone else split is 2012, and I'm guessing 5A will adopt it first, then everyone else will follow in 2014.

[LLM_1331]

Wow, where have you been? 5a and 4a are already split.

[PPSTATEBOUND]

Originally posted by LLM_1331
PPSTATEBOUND, why would they count kid's who are not going to be in school. Dang

LLM its a simple question most people would have answered with a yes or no...not another question....

I'll ask again for your sake and maybe you can help this time....

Does the outgoing 2010 class get counted in the re-alignment?

[gtownfan]

Originally posted by PPSTATEBOUND
LLM its a simple question most people would have answered with a yes or no...not another question....

I'll ask again for your sake and maybe you can help this time....

Does the outgoing 2010 class get counted in the re-alignment?

Found this in the 2008 Realignment procedures -

A participant school shall be classified for assignment to a conference on the basis of enrollment on a date from the
previous October. The formulas used to determine enrollment shall be:

1. Schools with four high school grades (9-12) or three high school grades (10-12) which will receive incoming
tenth graders from specific, identifiable schools:

Enrollment = Grades 9 + 10 + 11 + 12

2. Schools with only grades 10-12 when it cannot easily be determined which schools the ninth graders will attend
as tenth graders:

Enrollment = Grades (10 + 11 + 12) x 1.33

3. Schools with only grades 11-12 when it cannot easily be determined which schools the tenth graders will attend
as eleventh graders:

Enrollment = Grades (11 + 12) x 2

It states the prervious October (fot the next realignment, that would be October this year) and also don't see any reference to incoming 8th grade class. So I would assume, that the count would be the current 9-12 grade classes.

But I might be wrong.

Here is the URL that I'm referencing:

http://www.uil.utexas.edu/policy/pdf/08realign_procedures.pdf

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Well my number 3 daughter is going into 6 grade and I know they have around 160. Projecting that along in 3 years if the other classes are the same is only 640. I'm a not so sure where the guy gets his numbers. My guess is that in 3 years we will be around 750. in 5 maybe 880. In 7 around a grand maybe. But not more than.




I will communicate with my amigos to see if they caught a name for the fellow giving this information. He seemed pretty sure they will have an enrollment over 600 THIS school year and 800 to 900 within the next 3 years.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by gtownfan
Found this in the 2008 Realignment procedures -

A participant school shall be classified for assignment to a conference on the basis of enrollment on a date from the
previous October. The formulas used to determine enrollment shall be:

1. Schools with four high school grades (9-12) or three high school grades (10-12) which will receive incoming
tenth graders from specific, identifiable schools:

Enrollment = Grades 9 + 10 + 11 + 12

2. Schools with only grades 10-12 when it cannot easily be determined which schools the ninth graders will attend
as tenth graders:

Enrollment = Grades (10 + 11 + 12) x 1.33

3. Schools with only grades 11-12 when it cannot easily be determined which schools the tenth graders will attend
as eleventh graders:

Enrollment = Grades (11 + 12) x 2

It states the prervious October (fot the next realignment, that would be October this year) and also don't see any reference to incoming 8th grade class. So I would assume, that the count would be the current 9-12 grade classes.

But I might be wrong.

Here is the URL that I'm referencing:

http://www.uil.utexas.edu/policy/pdf/08realign_procedures.pdf




Seems to me that if you want to count NEXT YEAR"S enrollment then you would count NEXT years students. Counting the graduating class makes little sense to me.................

[gtownfan]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Seems to me that if you want to count NEXT YEAR"S enrollment then you would count NEXT years students. Counting the graduating class makes little sense to me.................

Agreed!

There is a #4 that I did not list for new schools and it specifically mentions incoming 8th graders, which are not mentioned in #1 above.

I didn't know there were 2 or 3 grade high schools in the state.

[SHSBulldog00]

Based on this proposal, how affected would your district be?

D26

Brookshire Royal
West Columbia
Needville
Stafford
Sweeny
Wharton

Proposed Div 1

Bellville
West Columbia
Needville
Sealy
Stafford
Wharon

Proposed Div 2

Brookeshire Royal
Columbus
Edna
Goliad
Palacios
Sweeny
Yoakum

[scrub c]

that would be a lot of driving for sweeny... d-26 has it pretty good as far as travel goes as it is currently...

[Cowboy_Up]

Edna will prolly drop to 2A as right now we're at ~400 and both 9th and 8th grades are less than 100...if the folks sharing the info are in the know.

2 years ago when we went 9-1 in 2A, we had a very large, for us, senior class, something like 140 kids. It looks like we'll be teetering on the 2A/3A line for the foreseeable future.

I think Yoakum and Goliad may be in the same situation.