If Wade Philips wasnt the cowboys coach... [Archive]

BreckTxLonghorn

07-30-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
what about shanahan or holmgren...they are supposed to want back in the league right?

Shanahan is supposedly the front runner unless Wade pulls off the SB. More willing to let personnel final decisions be made as long as he has input. Likes our RBs, etc.

Not a fan of Holmgren, personally. He's a fair coach, but like him more of a QB coach specialist/coordinator than a full time Head guy.

Trashman

07-30-2009, 01:52 PM

No good coach will ever come to Dallas unless Jerry fires himself as GM.:(

IrishTex

07-30-2009, 03:24 PM

Frankly, I'm still amazed Wade got the job as HC for the Cowboys....he has very little playoff experience, and like this version of the Cowboys, he has never won a playoff game..

Oh wait, things are beginning to add up for me now...

Never mind.

;)

Pick6

07-30-2009, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by IrishTex
..he has very little playoff experience, and like the Cowboys, he has never won a playoff game..

:doh:

Farmersfan

07-30-2009, 03:41 PM

Rayfield Wright and Tom Rafferty were on the ticket today. When they asked what they felt about this current Cowboys team both said it was loaded with talent but didn't know how to win the big games. They said that comes from leadership on the field. They said something important has been missing from this teams attitude the past several years. I say the QB is a mouse. What do you guys think?

IrishTex

07-30-2009, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Rayfield Wright and Tom Rafferty were on the ticket today. When they asked what they felt about this current Cowboys team both said it was loaded with talent but didn't know how to win the big games. They said that comes from leadership on the field. They said something important has been missing from this teams attitude the past several years. I say the QB is a mouse. What do you guys think?

Seriously, I think Tony Romo has the talent to win, period.
The problem with him is he got caught up with a female superstar too...and I think he let that side of his personal life overtake his professional life.

Supposedly, his relationship with her is over. If it truly is, look for Tony to have a watershed year. If not, look for Tony to be led by his nose by her...

Farmersfan

07-30-2009, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by IrishTex
Seriously, I think Tony Romo has the talent to win, period.
The problem with him is he got caught up with a female superstar too...and I think he let that side of his personal life overtake his professional life.

Supposedly, his relationship with her is over. If it truly is, look for Tony to have a watershed year. If not, look for Tony to be led by his nose by her...

The team has been made ROMO friendly with the cutting of T.O. and some others. Romo needs to step up and make this his team. No more excuses. No more lame ass "Losing is not the worse thing" attitude. No more stupid risky passes 40 yards downfield when he has wide open recievers in the flat and most of all........................No more fumbling the ball!!!!! If Romo plays up to his potential the Cowboys compete for a SB.

Txbroadcaster

07-30-2009, 04:41 PM

I really like what Irvin said today

27-12 in his first 39 games and people are wanting to get rid of em. Give me a QB EVERYTIME that is 27-12 in first 39 games.

I still dont think him dating Jessica had SQUAT to do with his play on the field.

I also dont think the trip had anything to do with Giants loss.

when it comes down to it. This team last year got hurt at the wrong time and could not win the 2-3 games that were supposed to be winnable because of injuries. They never bounced back you can blame Romo and it is easy to

but blame the D for never seeming to make that BIG stop in a big game except for when they beat the Giants.

Blame the injuries to 2 of the 3 RBs, Romo, Terrence, Koser, Adams, McBriar and Folk.

Blame the TERRIBLE special teams

I think one of the biggest turning points in the season was the Zona game. Not only did Romo get hurt but alot of people forget about the NEXT play on 3rd down. He has TO( i thnk TO) wideopen but the injury caused him to underthrow the ball, it is incomplete then of course the block punt

Does Romo need to improve things, well yes of course he does. Name a QB that is starting his 3rd FULL year as a QB that has nothing to work on?

BuffyMars

07-30-2009, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I really like what Irvin said today

27-12 in his first 39 games and people are wanting to get rid of em. Give me a QB EVERYTIME that is 27-12 in first 39 games.

I still dont think him dating Jessica had SQUAT to do with his play on the field.

I also dont think the trip had anything to do with Giants loss.

when it comes down to it. This team last year got hurt at the wrong time and could not win the 2-3 games that were supposed to be winnable because of injuries. They never bounced back you can blame Romo and it is easy to

but blame the D for never seeming to make that BIG stop in a big game except for when they beat the Giants.

Blame the injuries to 2 of the 3 RBs, Romo, Terrence, Koser, Adams, McBriar and Folk.

Blame the TERRIBLE special teams

I think one of the biggest turning points in the season was the Zona game. Not only did Romo get hurt but alot of people forget about the NEXT play on 3rd down. He has TO( i thnk TO) wideopen but the injury caused him to underthrow the ball, it is incomplete then of course the block punt

Does Romo need to improve things, well yes of course he does. Name a QB that is starting his 3rd FULL year as a QB that has nothing to work on?

i agree with all of what you said. but i have to because i dont want a beating. yessir massir, is it ok that i speak? :tongue:

TexasHSFB

07-30-2009, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
27-12 in his first 39 games and people are wanting to get rid of em. Give me a QB EVERYTIME that is 27-12 in first 39 games.
Give me the talent on the cowboys roster for those 39 games and I'll show you about 2 dozen QB's who could have that record as well. I'll give you about 15 who could have won some playoff games, and about half a dozen that would have a ring. :)

PHS Wildcats

07-30-2009, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
Bill Cowher next year?

Plus it's been said that Cohwer would like to coach a team that he can rebuild.

Farmersfan

07-30-2009, 08:31 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
[B]I really like what Irvin said today

27-12 in his first 39 games and people are wanting to get rid of em. Give me a QB EVERYTIME that is 27-12 in first 39 games.

OK! How do you feel about a QB that has gone 14-9 since that great 13-3 start? Would you be impressed with a QB that has thrown only 3 more TD's than turnovers? And he has done this with a team that was picked by most to win a SB 2 out of the last 3 seasons!
Not such a great story is it?

Txbroadcaster

07-30-2009, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
[B]I really like what Irvin said today

27-12 in his first 39 games and people are wanting to get rid of em. Give me a QB EVERYTIME that is 27-12 in first 39 games.

OK! How do you feel about a QB that has gone 14-9 since that great 13-3 start? Would you be impressed with a QB that has thrown only 3 more TD's than turnovers? And he has done this with a team that was picked by most to win a SB 2 out of the last 3 seasons!
Not such a great story is it?

if he was the main reason for every loss then you have a point..but the fact is he is not even close to being the main reason

and to the person who said with the talent Dallas has

This talent has been 9-7 9-7 13-3 and 9-7...only two of those years was romo the starter going into the season

so is this team really a TALENTED roster? or maybe it is a roster with alot of names people know but not as talented as everyone seems to think.

swstangs001

07-31-2009, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan

OK! How do you feel about a QB that has gone 14-9 since that great 13-3 start? Would you be impressed with a QB that has thrown only 3 more TD's than turnovers? And he has done this with a team that was picked by most to win a SB 2 out of the last 3 seasons!
Not such a great story is it?

why are you talking crap about Romo? Joe Flacco took his team to the playoffs throwing 14 TDs and 12 INTs so what gives? maybe without the press and the drama and TO he would have done better, now TO is gone so maybe he will do a little better this year. i understand Flacco was a rookie but still don't knock Romo just because he has played bad towards the end of seasons. who knows last year if he hadn't of gotten injured maybe he would have won the games Johnson didn't and they would have made the playoffs. i'm mad that he's played like crap too but if you havent seen the flashes of greatness that he has had then you arent a true cowboys fan and dont watch enough games

Z-RO

07-31-2009, 04:45 AM

Here is the situation on offense, yes T.O. has left but this is pretty much the same offense as last season. We traded for Roy Williams to have a legit second WR so other teams would have to stop doubling T.O. Well during this offseason we release Owens which puts us in the same situation as last season except RW is the #1 WR instead of T.O. with no threat at the WR #2 position thus allowing teams to double cover our #1 guy again.

I do not understand why you would trade away so much only to end up in the same situation as you were before the start of last season. Roy Williams has yet to prove that he is a legit #1 thus far into his career so to me releasing Owens before knowing what you truly have is crazy to me.

With all of that being said, what happens when Romo goes out and competes like he did last season? Owens was the scapgoat last season, whose fault does it become then? If this happens I think it is time to move on at the quarterback position. Until then I am going to hope Romo has learned from his mistakes and plays with a better head on his shoulders, but I wouldnt bet the farm on it.

Z-RO

07-31-2009, 04:51 AM

Originally posted by swstangs001
but if you havent seen the flashes of greatness that he has had then you arent a true cowboys fan and dont watch enough games

Or we are just realists who do not wear silver and blue colored shades. Brian Bosworth showed flashes of greatness as well but we all know how that worked out. Thats the problem though it is only flashes, great athletes perform on a more consistant basis.

I am glad that they have picked up Kitna because we at least know what to expect out of him. Hell maybe a little competition will spark something with Romo???

Pick6

07-31-2009, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by Z-RO
Brian Bosworth showed flashes of greatness

We're not talking NCAA. When Dallas was 13-3 2 years ago, Romo showed quite a bit of greatness. Bosworth? I think this thread just dumbed down.

Farmersfan

07-31-2009, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by swstangs001
why are you talking crap about Romo? Joe Flacco took his team to the playoffs throwing 14 TDs and 12 INTs so what gives? maybe without the press and the drama and TO he would have done better, now TO is gone so maybe he will do a little better this year. i understand Flacco was a rookie but still don't knock Romo just because he has played bad towards the end of seasons. who knows last year if he hadn't of gotten injured maybe he would have won the games Johnson didn't and they would have made the playoffs. i'm mad that he's played like crap too but if you havent seen the flashes of greatness that he has had then you arent a true cowboys fan and dont watch enough games

You see it as talking "Crap"! I see it as telling things like they really happened. Of course there are numerous other problems on the team but each and every off season they have tried to address all those other problems yet they leave Romo alone. He is the biggest and most important cog in this football machine. Blame it on injuries if you want but do yourself a favor and look up the injuries that most other teams had. Blame it on the O-line if you choose but all QBs get a lot of pressure with these zone blitz defenses. I use to REALLY like Tony Romo. Over several years of listening to him spew nonsense to the media like he was a football guru turned me off. His "Football is only a small part of life" attutude is a tired schtick that he needs to shelf. I don't have a problem with him going to Mexico the weekend before the playoff game if he wins. But if he loses he needs to at least recognize that his weekend could have been better used preparing not only himself but his team. I could not give a holy crap how much golf he plays in the off season or during the season for that matter if he goes out on sundays and lives up to all this hype. But he has failed on all accounts. Some might give him more time----- I say he has had 7 years to learn the game. It's time for him to stop telling us that "you go out every week and learn from your mistakes...ect....ect....ect..". He is not a rookie. Time for him to STOP playing like one.

Pick6

07-31-2009, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I use to REALLY like Tony Romo. Over several years of listening to him spew nonsense to the media like he was a football guru turned me off.

Are you the pot or the kettle?

Farmersfan

07-31-2009, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Pick6
Are you the pot or the kettle?

I guess I would be classified as the Pot.
But that would make you the Emperor with the new clothes wouldn't it????? Or at least one of Bo Peep's little friends!!!!! :D

Pick6

07-31-2009, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I guess I would be classified as the Pot.
But that would make you the Emperor with the new clothes wouldn't it????? Or at least one of Bo Peep's little friends!!!!! :D

So I'm a sheep because I don't pretend I know more about Romo? Well, as long as we're talking about farm animals we might as well call a spade a spade....jack...nevermind

Farmersfan

07-31-2009, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by Pick6
So I'm a sheep because I don't pretend I know more about Romo? Well, as long as we're talking about farm animals we might as well call a spade a spade....jack...nevermind

You live in a very simplistic world don't you 6? I write a half dozen personal opinions based on 3 years of play from a professional football player and you call me a Jack-"nevermind" because of it. So if me expressing my opinion about Romo after watching him for 3 years makes me a Jack"nevermind" then what are you for expressing your opinion about me after a couple of posts????? Think about it a moment if you are mentally deep enough. No offense!!!! :)

Pick6

07-31-2009, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
You live in a very simplistic world don't you 6? I write a half dozen personal opinions based on 3 years of play from a professional football player and you call me a Jack-"nevermind" because of it. So if me expressing my opinion about Romo after watching him for 3 years makes me a Jack"nevermind" then what are you for expressing your opinion about me after a couple of posts????? Think about it a moment if you are mentally deep enough. No offense!!!! :)

I've thought about it, and yeah, like Bill Parcells says, you are what you are. No offense, you probably can't help it. Have a nice day now.

Farmersfan

07-31-2009, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by Pick6
I've thought about it, and yeah, like Bill Parcells says, you are what you are. No offense, you probably can't help it. Have a nice day now.

Just like I thought! Not even deep enough to moisten a towelette.

To try and change the subject: I hear Lamb Chops are all the rage in France!!!!

DDBooger

07-31-2009, 09:23 AM

Like a true American, I've been craving Meatloaf, mashed 'taters and green beans
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt84/SVT-GT500/smileys/hungrysmiley.gif

Trashman

07-31-2009, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by Z-RO
Or we are just realists who do not wear silver and blue colored shades. Brian Bosworth showed flashes of greatness as well but we all know how that worked out. Thats the problem though it is only flashes, great athletes perform on a more consistant basis.

I am glad that they have picked up Kitna because we at least know what to expect out of him. Hell maybe a little competition will spark something with Romo???

Refresh my memory; how many games has kitna won?:thinking:

Pick6

07-31-2009, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by Trashman
Refresh my memory; how many games has kitna won?:thinking:

Trashman, don't question farmersfan. he knows more than anyone when it comes to football.

DDBooger

07-31-2009, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Pick6
Trashman, don't question farmersfan. he knows more than anyone when it comes to football.
Well, he knows a lot about Romo, that's for sure! :)

Tell me Farmer, did you film Jessica and Tony getting it on? hahaha ;)

j/k with ya. I really hope Dallas does well, I think effective Romo is one of the best in the League, but when he gets careless with that ball man, I'll be the 1st to admit I get very VERY frustrated.

Farmersfan

07-31-2009, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
Well, he knows a lot about Romo, that's for sure! :)

Tell me Farmer, did you film Jessica and Tony getting it on? hahaha ;)

j/k with ya. I really hope Dallas does well, I think effective Romo is one of the best in the League, but when he gets careless with that ball man, I'll be the 1st to admit I get very VERY frustrated.

Booger! Pick6 is like a 3rd grader who thinks it's cool to insult people to make himself feel better. Now it seems he wants to do the insulting through a 3rd party. Will you be my 3rd party? :D

I agree with you on one point: when Romo is ON he is one of the best. Unfortunately he isn't ON as much as he needs to be.

DISCLAIMER: for the benefit of the weak minded I must state that the previous statement is only an opinion and in no way indicates a feeling by me of superiority towards coaches, players and other fans around the world.

DDBooger

07-31-2009, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Booger! Pick6 is like a 3rd grader who thinks it's cool to insult people to make himself feel better. Now it seems he wants to do the insulting through a 3rd party. Will you be my 3rd party? :D

I agree with you on one point: when Romo is ON he is one of the best. Unfortunately he isn't ON as much as he needs to be.

DISCLAIMER: for the benefit of the weak minded I must state that the previous statement is only an opinion and in no way indicates a feeling by me of superiority towards coaches, players and other fans around the world.
A quarterback by nature of the position is much more prone to fumbles (blindsides, holding the ball out, etc), but the interceptions can be cut down on. We'll see, imo the whole team is no where near what people make them out to be. Lot's of high prices but talent? dunno

pirate4state

07-31-2009, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
I really hope Dallas does well, I think effective Romo is one of the best in the League, but when he gets careless with that ball man, I'll be the 1st to admit I get very VERY frustrated.

I agree.

Farmersfan

07-31-2009, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
A quarterback by nature of the position is much more prone to fumbles (blindsides, holding the ball out, etc), but the interceptions can be cut down on. We'll see, imo the whole team is no where near what people make them out to be. Lot's of high prices but talent? dunno

Perhaps this will be the breakout year for several players. If Miles Austin, Patrick Hurd and Marty B. have a great year then Romo will have had a great year also. Even with all the problems we keep bitching about on here the 'boys were real close. If Crayton doesn't stop on his route they beat the eventual Superbowl champs Steelers and they did split with Philly and the Giants. (both of which were SB caliber teams.)

DDBooger

07-31-2009, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Perhaps this will be the breakout year for several players. If Miles Austin, Patrick Hurd and Marty B. have a great year then Romo will have had a great year also. Even with all the problems we keep bitching about on here the 'boys were real close. If Crayton doesn't stop on his route they beat the eventual Superbowl champs Steelers and they did split with Philly and the Giants. (both of which were SB caliber teams.) WR may be the shovel that buries this team. Roy Williams has so much talent, but viable number 1? Dunno, he CAN be. Also need those others to step up big time. Did the line improve?

waterboy

07-31-2009, 01:44 PM

Depth is not a strong suit for the Cowboys, either. I think the starters on that line would do just fine if they avoid injuries. Romo did stink it up a little last season, but in all fairness to him, it wasn't all his fault. He does have to cut down on the mistakes, though.

Farmersfan

07-31-2009, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
WR may be the shovel that buries this team. Roy Williams has so much talent, but viable number 1? Dunno, he CAN be. Also need those others to step up big time. Did the line improve?

Everyone is down on the line but I honestly don't think the line was that bad. Romo had some really bad decision making games and held the ball way too long a lot. They only gave up 31 sacks for the entire season which was ranked #18 out of 32 teams. The big problems on offense was penalties(ranked #1) and total team fumbles (29 total which is ranked 4th highest behind bills, lions, Texans, 49ers). Of course this stat is hurt badly by Romo fumbling everytime he ran with the ball.

Z-RO

07-31-2009, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
Like a true American, I've been craving Meatloaf, mashed 'taters and green beans
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt84/SVT-GT500/smileys/hungrysmiley.gif

It doesnt matter! Like I said at least we know what to expect out of him. Why not address all the other points I made?

Z-RO

08-01-2009, 05:44 PM

real cute editing your post...:rolleyes:

injuredinmelee

08-01-2009, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
if we see an 8-8 or 6-10 season he may allow GM duties to pass, but I'm reaching.

Jerry is way too proud to allow someone else to take the GM reigns. Get used to mediocrity as long as he is involved in football operations.

swstangs001

08-02-2009, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Everyone is down on the line but I honestly don't think the line was that bad. Romo had some really bad decision making games and held the ball way too long a lot. They only gave up 31 sacks for the entire season which was ranked #18 out of 32 teams. The big problems on offense was penalties(ranked #1) and total team fumbles (29 total which is ranked 4th highest behind bills, lions, Texans, 49ers). Of course this stat is hurt badly by Romo fumbling everytime he ran with the ball.

according to espn Romo fumbled 5 times last year, Marion Barber fumbles 7...should we get rid of Barber too?

Farmersfan

08-02-2009, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by swstangs001
according to espn Romo fumbled 5 times last year, Marion Barber fumbles 7...should we get rid of Barber too?

Find another source! Romo fumbled 13 times himself.

http://www.nfl.com/players/tonyromo/profile?id=ROM787981

Farmersfan

08-02-2009, 06:10 PM

http://www.nfl.com/players/tonyromo/gamelogs?id=ROM787981

Z-RO

08-02-2009, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Find another source! Romo fumbled 13 times himself.

http://www.nfl.com/players/tonyromo/profile?id=ROM787981

Romo only lost 7, Barber lost 3

DDBooger

08-02-2009, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Z-RO
real cute editing your post...:rolleyes: I think you quoted the wrong person partner, I bet you were aiming for Farmer, I don't even remember exchanging words with you? :confused:

But I did get some meatloaf this weekend :) http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee152/sasyjere/smiley%20page/hungry.gif

Z-RO

08-02-2009, 07:54 PM

sure was...errrrr I cant get used to this site! lol Sorry about that man

Farmersfan

08-03-2009, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by Z-RO
Romo only lost 7, Barber lost 3

Perhaps you and Tony Romo are soul mates???? Wasn't it Romo who told us all that a "interception was as good as a punt"???? Romo averaged over 2 turnovers per game ALL BY HIMSELF!!!!! I hope he will be better this next season but don't expect it. I think he is a Brett Favre wannabe with about half the talent. I hope I am proven wrong.

DaHop72

08-03-2009, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Perhaps you and Tony Romo are soul mates???? . And after reading all the above wondering if you and Keith 7 are as well.:thinking: :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

Farmersfan

08-03-2009, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by DaHop72
And after reading all the above wondering if you and Keith 7 are as well.:thinking: :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

Keith7 is a Cowboy hater who talks crap about them and down plays their strengths. He is the antithesis of you and some of the other Cowboy fans who disregard the obvious facts in favor of blind homerism and optimism. I don't think analizing your team with a eye for the truth is in any way counter productive to being a true fan. I want the BEST for the Cowboys and have given many, many reasons why Romo isn't the best. (at least based on what we have seen so far).
But I truely do hope Romo makes a sucker out of me this next season. I will gladly convert back to a Romo homer (tricky words) if he just slows down with the stupid mistakes and nonsense quotes on TV.....