Big Papi on the juice?

[Maroon87]

Updated: July 30, 2009, 12:36 PM ET
Report: Manny, Ortiz tested positive
ESPN.com news services

Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, lawyers with knowledge of the results told The New York Times.

The two were key members of the Boston Red Sox World Series teams in 2004 and 2007.

[Emerson1]

Maybe that's why he is slumping now, he got off them.

[crzyjournalist03]

It's become all too predictable just by looking at the numbers who was and wasn't.

David Ortiz was a struggling part-time player for the Twins who suddenly becomes big-time after so much mediocrity, and has had a couple years since that aren't quite up to that same standard.

Sad thing is, if I looked back to the MLB players in 2003, I'm pretty sure I could nail about 75% of the names on that list.

Hank Blalock, Trot Nixon, and Miguel Tejada immediately come to mind as players I'm almost certain are on that list.

[DDBooger]

you think Hamilton was juicing?

[pirate4state]

I don't even know why I'm surprised by this? :(

[BuffyMars]

if people still get surprised by "juice" news...they have way too much faith in humanity.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by BuffyMars
if people still get surprised by "juice" news...they have way too much faith in humanity. I am guilty from time to time, but not where you are concerned! :D

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by DDBooger
you think Hamilton was juicing?

No.

I just finished his biography a month ago, and he says he didn't do it, and I believe him. He openly and willingly talked about all of the various things that he did and tried, but says that steroids, for whatever reason, just didn't interest him. He said that he's honestly surprised that he never took them, but he always honestly believed that he was the best that ever lived, so he didn't have a need for them.

I don't see any reason why he would be so open about so many other drugs and alcohol issues but hide one, especially when it didn't become illegal in baseball until his suspensions had already started.

Now, under condition of his reinstatement from his year-long ban he's tested three times a week for drugs (including during the offseason), so he's got to be the most obviously clean player in the league. One bad test, for ANY drug, and he'd be permanently banned from baseball.

[XtremeCouture]

everyone wanted to put an asterisk next to bonds's records but now that manny and big papi have tested positive ESPN is like ummmm there would be too many asterisks and we shouldn't do it. i say booboo. put asterisks next to both of the red sox world series titles this decade. CHEATERS

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by XtremeCouture
everyone wanted to put an asterisk next to bonds's records but now that manny and big papi have tested positive ESPN is like ummmm there would be too many asterisks and we shouldn't do it. i say booboo. put asterisks next to both of the red sox world series titles this decade. CHEATERS


then put the same with the Yanks of the yesteryore because Whitey Ford doctored ball and Yogi Berra once said other on that staff messed around with the same thing

Do the same for Gaylord Perry as he has admitted he cheated.

I dont like Roids, but this pick and choose which cheater you want to punish and not punish is not fair either.

either look past all the cheaters inside the game or punish all..dont say oh well doctoring the ball is just part of baseball, but PED are bad

[TexasHSFB]

LOL. I'm looking at stat leaders for 2003.


Hmmm.....


Preston Wilson? 141 RBI---- 2nd in the majors.

Richie Sexson and Adrian Beltre both had career years in 2003 or 2004. Sexson just fits the bill for PED. How bout Brett Boone? 3rd in the AL in RBI. Who is that? LOL.


Bill Mueller lead the AL in batting average. Who is that? LMAO.


All these guys were on the roids is my guess.

It wouldn't surprise me if Magglio Ordonez did it. Look at him. Having the best year sof his career in his mid to late 30's. hmmm.....

Just saying. Stats make you think. Even if they were clean and it was a fluke year for them..... makes you think the were doing it dirty just because player after player reportedly did it.

[crzyjournalist03]

Ortiz with the Twins (before he was "good"):

http://bostonroidsox.com/ortiz2002.jpg

Ortiz in 2004:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/04/14/amd_david-ortiz.jpg

[BuffyMars]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Ortiz with the Twins (before he was "good"):

http://bostonroidsox.com/ortiz2002.jpg

Ortiz in 2004:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/04/14/amd_david-ortiz.jpg

lol.

[crzyjournalist03]

Preston Wilson as a rookie:

http://www.rookiesquantities.com/Images/UDCC94_650.jpg

Wilson now:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/DSC00632_Preston_Wilson.jpg/250px-DSC00632_Preston_Wilson.jpg

Bill Mueller as a rookie:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o82/mpappagallo/Bill_Mueller_99T.jpg

Bill Mueller in '04:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/john_donovan/10/18/sox.yanks/p1_mueller.jpg

Bret Boone in the minors:

http://www.goldpanners.com/Seasons/2004/cards/2004_24_bret-boone.jpg

Bret Boone in '04:

http://frinklinspeaks.mu.nu/archives/boone.jpg

[UPanIN]

They should just release the 100 names from 2003 and be done with it.

Now it's a big deal every couple of months when a new name is released.

Maybe ESPN has the names and figure a story every couple months is good for their numbers.

[crzyjournalist03]

Trot Nixon as a rookie:

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/316sports/trot%20nixon.JPG

Trot Nixon in '04:

http://imagesource.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAGI161~Trot-Nixon-2004-Studio-Plus-Photofile-Posters.jpg

Hank Blalock as a rookie:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r13/ttmman21/Hank_Blalock.jpg

Blalock in '04:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/03/26/2004308833.jpg

[BreckTxLonghorn]

Damn. Blalock happened in one year.

[TexasHSFB]

Good stuff crzy. :clap:

[PHS Wildcats]

Is anyone rally suprised?:doh:

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by TexasHSFB
Good stuff crzy. :clap:


lol ejected so soon?

[Farmersfan]

All these players who tested positive in 03' were notified of the results back then. They now act surprised when the info gets released. I think it was Nomar who said that he knew of a lot of players who refused to be tested so it would automatically show as positive as a default so the testing measure would pass. (to make sure they got 5% positive). Do you think this is true or is he setting it up as an excuse if his name comes out?

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by UPanIN
They should just release the 100 names from 2003 and be done with it.

Now it's a big deal every couple of months when a new name is released.

Maybe ESPN has the names and figure a story every couple months is good for their numbers.

It's not ESPN...it's the NY Post that keeps releasing them.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
It's not ESPN...it's the NY Post that keeps releasing them. I was wondering about that. Peter Gamnons was talking about that this morning. Just release all the names already!

[Txbroadcaster]

While I in no way would doubt any of thse shown would take PEDS, None except Ortiz in those pics make me go OMG he blew up sizewise or anything like that

and looking at someones size has proven NOT to be a good indicator as some would think..again Raffy never blew up size wise yet tested positive.

DeMarcus Ware was talking about how at 18 he was a scrawny WR..yet now look how big he is People CAN actually change eating habits and taylor workout plans and become bigger thru the right ways

[PPHSfan]

"It's not juice...it's a protein shake."

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
While I in no way would doubt any of thse shown would take PEDS, None except Ortiz in those pics make me go OMG he blew up sizewise or anything like that

and looking at someones size has proven NOT to be a good indicator as some would think..again Raffy never blew up size wise yet tested positive.

DeMarcus Ware was talking about how at 18 he was a scrawny WR..yet now look how big he is People CAN actually change eating habits and taylor workout plans and become bigger thru the right ways

Blalock's difference really wasn't as noticeable because he was already "bigger" by the time he reached the majors, and the pictures were only a year apart...this is a better example:

http://emc.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/hank.jpg


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/03/26/2004308833.jpg

[UPanIN]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
It's not ESPN...it's the NY Post that keeps releasing them.

I had no idea who was releasing the info but figured it was


"about the money":thumbsup:

[DDBooger]

LOL
Ozzie's reaction to Papi and Manny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBIoRFm0980)
about 40 secs in

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by DDBooger
LOL
Ozzie's reaction to Papi and Manny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBIoRFm0980)
about 40 secs in

nice find! :clap: :D

[Maroon87]

I just remember Ortiz back in '00 or '01 as a part time DH with the Twins and then all of a sudden becoming this Paul Bunyan like character with the Sox...:thinking:

[slpybear the bullfan]

So, in 2003 the players were tested anonymously by mlb, and were not informed about their results. Per agreement with the players Union, MLB was to keep them anonymous.

These tests had 5%-7% positive results (depending on what source you read today). Out of those results, MLB instituted testing in 2004 per an agreement with the Players Union.

By 2005 mandatory testing was in place and continues to this day.

Here is a good article stating that by June 2006, there had been 111 players that were suspended since prior to the 2005 season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2474192

Interstingly enough, pitchers were 53% of the suspensions at that time.

My personal opinions on all of this:

If you were a stud prior to 2005 and then turned into a dud overnight, you are highly suspect of being on the juice.

If you were a stud prior to 2005 and have remained one, you are probably clean.

The anonymous testing from 2003 should stay that way. Now days, it is too easy just to throw out a name and dirty them up by saying they were on the list.

The government needs to keep its nose out of baseball. (or other sports for that matter)