Is Corporate Greed?

[PPHSfan]

Really a definition of anything?

It seems to me as a lot of folks think that a Corporation is a living breathing entity. Isn't a corporation just a group of people with a common interest? Not much different than a Football Team, a Scout Group, or a Labor Union for that matter.
I hear a lot of corporate bashing, but who are these folks really bashing? Corporations get tax breaks? Really? Does that mean that everyone in the corporation gets the break? And if not, then why would you re-tax everyone that's already paying taxes? Someone smart, like Booger needs to explain this to me in a way that I can understand it.

Thanks.:)

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
Really a definition of anything?

It seems to me as a lot of folks think that a Corporation is a living breathing entity. Isn't a corporation just a group of people with a common interest? Not much different than a Football Team, a Scout Group, or a Labor Union for that matter.
I hear a lot of corporate bashing, but who are these folks really bashing? Corporations get tax breaks? Really? Does that mean that everyone in the corporation gets the break? And if not, then why would you re-tax everyone that's already paying taxes? Someone smart, like Booger needs to explain this to me in a way that I can understand it.

Thanks.:) dude, just rehash all the old threads and read em. I'm too tired from my own work to go through this again! haha

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by DDBooger
dude, just rehash all the old threads and read em. I'm too tired from my own work to go through this again! haha
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[PPHSfan]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
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Gary,

Why don't you speak up anymore?

Are you getting wise in your old age?

What happened to that starry eyed 16 year old that was so passionate in his views, that he spoke up and told us how he feels?

Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean that I don't enjoy reading your stuff.

Heck, that's what is so great about this place. We all have a common thread (HS Football), and we all have different views on everything else.

I only bash your ideals because I like you. If I didn't enjoy your stuff, I just wouldn't talk to you.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
Gary,

Why don't you speak up anymore?

Are you getting wise in your old age?

What happened to that starry eyed 16 year old that was so passionate in his views, that he spoke up and told us how he feels?

Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean that I don't enjoy reading your stuff.

Heck, that's what is so great about this place. We all have a common thread (HS Football), and we all have different views on everything else.

I only bash your ideals because I like you. If I didn't enjoy your stuff, I just wouldn't talk to you. his computer's broke, he's typing all this from a phone. At least that's what he told me on facebook

[PPHSfan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
his computer's broke, he's typing all this from a phone. At least that's what he told me on facebook

Bummer.

[Trashman]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
Really a definition of anything?

It seems to me as a lot of folks think that a Corporation is a living breathing entity. Isn't a corporation just a group of people with a common interest? Not much different than a Football Team, a Scout Group, or a Labor Union for that matter.
I hear a lot of corporate bashing, but who are these folks really bashing? Corporations get tax breaks? Really? Does that mean that everyone in the corporation gets the break? And if not, then why would you re-tax everyone that's already paying taxes? Someone smart, like Booger needs to explain this to me in a way that I can understand it.

Thanks.:)

Don't you get it? Anybody who is a working, productive member of society is a greedy, money grubbing, scoundrel, and needs to be taxed out of existence. In order that everyone can be poor. Just like in the 3rd world countries.:rolleyes:

[BEAST]

Corporate Greed means nothing. Unless the corp is a non profit then the corporation was designed to make money. Plain and simple.




BEAST

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by Trashman
Don't you get it? Anybody who is a working, productive member of society is a greedy, money grubbing, scoundrel, and needs to be taxed out of existence. In order that everyone can be poor. Just like in the 3rd world countries.:rolleyes:

Thats what I heard. If we are all poor nobody can be greedy right?

[PPHSfan]

All I know is this.

IF you work for a living in a country with free enterprise, then you're either a Greedy Capitalist, or you work for one.

Seems to me that only the people who don't like to work, are the only people who should have a problem with greed.:D

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by DDBooger
his computer's broke, he's typing all this from a phone. At least that's what he told me on facebook that is correct.

[Txbroadcaster]

is there an actual rule where a corporation moves from profit to greed? NO

Is there a mythical line? Yes I think there is

When a company starts making an inferior product because it is cheaper because they have no compeition that is CG imo

when a drug company skirts all the levels of testing to make sure a drug hits the market at a certain time knowing that some knew medical scare will reap them huge profits then that is CG imo

When an insurance company tries in anyway to find the littlest way to get out of a claim( no matter if it is medical, homeowner or auto) that is CG

just a few off the top of my head

I call examples like that CG because those things are seen on a whole corporate level. inside each company so many people could at anytime step up and say hey this is wrong, yet they dont because the dollae chase has overtaken their personal values of right and wrong

[Trashman]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
is there an actual rule where a corporation moves from profit to greed? NO

Is there a mythical line? Yes I think there is

When a company starts making an inferior product because it is cheaper because they have no compeition that is CG imo

when a drug company skirts all the levels of testing to make sure a drug hits the market at a certain time knowing that some knew medical scare will reap them huge profits then that is CG imo

When an insurance company tries in anyway to find the littlest way to get out of a claim( no matter if it is medical, homeowner or auto) that is CG

just a few off the top of my head

I call examples like that CG because those things are seen on a whole corporate level. inside each company so many people could at anytime step up and say hey this is wrong, yet they dont because the dollae chase has overtaken their personal values of right and wrong


Lighten up Francis......:D

[waterboy]

Originally posted by Trashman
Don't you get it? Anybody who is a working, productive member of society is a greedy, money grubbing, scoundrel, and needs to be taxed out of existence. In order that everyone can be poor. Just like in the 3rd world countries.:rolleyes:
You've been reading straight from the Socialist playbook, haven't you? The truth is that the working, productive members of society will have to give away their hard-earned money so that the fat, lazy, non-productive members can have some of it......without actually EARNING it. That's where we're headed.

[carter08]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
is there an actual rule where a corporation moves from profit to greed? NO

Is there a mythical line? Yes I think there is

When a company starts making an inferior product because it is cheaper because they have no compeition that is CG imo

when a drug company skirts all the levels of testing to make sure a drug hits the market at a certain time knowing that some knew medical scare will reap them huge profits then that is CG imo

When an insurance company tries in anyway to find the littlest way to get out of a claim( no matter if it is medical, homeowner or auto) that is CG

just a few off the top of my head

I call examples like that CG because those things are seen on a whole corporate level. inside each company so many people could at anytime step up and say hey this is wrong, yet they dont because the dollae chase has overtaken their personal values of right and wrong

+1

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by carter08
+1 your still a kid relative to them and even you can put together the difference between hard working Americans and CEOs of Corporations that legally have the same rights as citizens yet respond in sociopathic manners because it is not the fault of the actor but the "personified" market that CAN'T be manipulated :rolleyes: .

Please, TXB gave the PERFECT response and he still leaves out specificity such as SNL, Enron, Lehman, Goldman Sachs, Citibank, mark to market stocks based on potential rather than actual worth, manipulation of the energy grids by Enron in California (which we have audio evidence of and was produced in court when the State of California sued them, which won't amount to anything being that they are worth squat. Goldman Sachs has been in the business of taking risks since the great depression, yet they have always operated under the assurance that said risks would be protected by the U.S. Govt as has been displayed over and over again. We live in post-industrial America folks, money made from money based on lies, deceit and manipulation of the markets isn't hard working, those are the folks who lose all their retirement by investing in those companies who drive up their stock by their own huge injections of capital into them (normally financed by Uncle Sam) then sellin prior to collapse leaving the hard workin Americans you guys so patriotically brought up high and dry, while the big wigs who produced nothing, had nothing to show for their stocks because it was based on potential, so they just collect what you guys adequately put, THE GOVERNMENT CHECK

[carter08]

Originally posted by DDBooger
your still a kid relative to them and even you can put together the difference between hard working Americans and CEOs of Corporations that legally have the same rights as citizens yet respond in sociopathic manners because it is not the fault of the actor but the "personified" market that CAN'T be manipulated :rolleyes: .

Please, TXB gave the PERFECT response and he still leaves out specificity such as SNL, Enron, Lehman, Goldman Sachs, Citibank, mark to market stocks based on potential rather than actual worth, manipulation of the energy grids by Enron in California (which we have audio evidence of and was produced in court when the State of California sued them, which won't amount to anything being that they are worth squat. Goldman Sachs has been in the business of taking risks since the great depression, yet they have always operated under the assurance that said risks would be protected by the U.S. Govt as has been displayed over and over again. We live in post-industrial America folks, money made from money based on lies, deceit and manipulation of the markets isn't hard working, those are the folks who lose all their retirement by investing in those companies who drive up their stock by their own huge injections of capital into them (normally financed by Uncle Sam) then sellin prior to collapse leaving the hard workin Americans you guys so patriotically brought up high and dry, while the big wigs who produced nothing, had nothing to show for their stocks because it was based on potential, so they just collect what you guys adequately put, THE GOVERNMENT CHECK

Enron is a perfect example.

come on, if you leave industries unchecked, greed is going to get in their way. they'll do anything to increase profit.

it really isn't that hard to look at our current economy and realize how unchecked capitalism has hurt us.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
Gary,

Why don't you speak up anymore?

Are you getting wise in your old age?

What happened to that starry eyed 16 year old that was so passionate in his views, that he spoke up and told us how he feels?

Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean that I don't enjoy reading your stuff.

Heck, that's what is so great about this place. We all have a common thread (HS Football), and we all have different views on everything else.

I only bash your ideals because I like you. If I didn't enjoy your stuff, I just wouldn't talk to you.

I have been posting from my phone lately, so that's why you haven't seen me on here. Even if I had a computer to post on regularly, I doubt you would see me on as often. I'm going into my senior year in college and classes and football are becoming increasingly difficult to juggle, as I need to do well to make that final push to prepare myself for the next step in life I am about to take. It's nothing personal, really. The biggest thing that really keeps me from speaking up though is just how closed-minded some people are, and how quickly they want to attack a person instead of the debate at hand. Nobody exercises any real understanding, so what's the point, really? I have had plenty of debates with bandera7 over the past year as he was my neighbor and I really did enjoy them, but that was because we weren't in each others' faces and treated each other with respect. It isn't so much you that I'm talking about either, it's some of the other people that engage in debates. I mean, what's the point in trying to debate someone that would rather mock you than prove you wrong?

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
All I know is this.

IF you work for a living in a country with free enterprise, then you're either a Greedy Capitalist, or you work for one.

Seems to me that only the people who don't like to work, are the only people who should have a problem with greed.:D
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Have you noticed that the phrase, "Failed Capitalist Experiment" has been tossed around recently?
I find it ironic that China, with their own stimulus package this year, lowered taxes to individuals and their companies. What a greedy thing to do that just happens to be pure Capitalism.:thinking:
BTW, because of them taking these measures they are forecasted to recover faster and be impacted less by the global downturn. Go figure...:eek:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Have you noticed that the phrase, "Failed Capitalist Experiment" has been tossed around recently?
I find it ironic that China, with their own stimulus package this year, lowered taxes to individuals and their companies. What a greedy thing to do that just happens to be pure Capitalism.:thinking:
BTW, because of them taking these measures they are forecasted to recover faster and be impacted less by the global downturn. Go figure...:eek: easy to do with their huge advantage they have in trade with us. Since we opened relations with them, Presidents have gone over there to tell them to buy MORE American. Apparently they just financed our war in Iraq, bailout of Wall Street and fixing our Capitalism! :eek:

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
easy to do with their huge advantage they have in trade with us. Since we opened relations with them, Presidents have gone over there to tell them to buy MORE American. Apparently they just financed our war in Iraq, bailout of Wall Street and fixing our Capitalism! :eek:
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Easy to do because maybe they are more Capitalist than us?:thinking: Just how are we now "Fixing our Capitalism"? By having Government taking over more of the private sector?
You didn't deny any of my points you quoted.:p

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Easy to do because maybe they are more Capitalist than us?:thinking:
certainly, they have a labor force that can't complain but must accept what is given. Their is no trickle down in China except to the middle management. Yes, they are more capitalist than us, because they control more production, we buy from them yet sell nearly nothing to them.


Originally posted by SintonFan
.Just how are we now "Fixing our Capitalism"? By having Government taking over more of the private sector?
By that, and by financing everything else we can't afford such as wars, and bailouts that both Republicans and Democrats have allowed. TARP was started under Dubya, I know, it's hard to stomach!



Originally posted by SintonFan
.You didn't deny any of my points you quoted.:p cause you didn't have any. It was like a bullet point with no substance. You glossed over the whole systemic reason as to why they can do the things we can't. For instance total social control and unequal trade with us.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
certainly, they have a labor force that can't complain but must accept what is given. Their is no trickle down in China except to the middle management. Yes, they are more capitalist than us, because they control more production, we buy from them yet sell nearly nothing to them.


By that, and by financing everything else we can't afford such as wars, and bailouts that both Republicans and Democrats have allowed. TARP was started under Dubya, I know, it's hard to stomach!


cause you didn't have any. It was like a bullet point with no substance. You glossed over the whole systemic reason as to why they can do the things we can't. For instance total social control and unequal trade with us.
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If I didn't have any points then why did you respond now to the first two points?:eek:
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I guess then it's not fair that the Chinese have a labor force that must accept "what is given" vs. what our market says we pay a wage?
You contradict yourself when you post "they control more production". Well do they control more? Is that more Capitalistic?
Are you posting about equal trade or fairness?
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Btw... Boog you live fairly close by. We really should have this discussion over a beer.:D

[SintonFan]

Boog, why is China reducing taxes to get out this mess but we are talking about raising them? You never acknowledged that.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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If I didn't have any points then why did you respond now to the first two points?:eek: to arrive at the point that you didn't have one
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Originally posted by SintonFan
I guess then it's not fair that the Chinese have a labor force that must accept "what is given" vs. what are market says we pay a wage?
You contradict yourself when you post "they control more production". Well do they control more? Is that more Capitalistic? How is that a contradiction? You are being vague seemingly to avoid saying something that doesn't make sense perhaps? Not a shot, just asking. And yes, they control more by nature of, AGAIN, the unequal trade. Production, industry, what built our country and made it great is no longer here, it is THERE. They are more capitalistic by nature of eliminating the opposing force which is labor by nature of a governmental model that is communist. They impose communist will on the poor while enjoy the riches of capitalism in the upper echelons of their society.



Originally posted by SintonFan
.Are you posting about equal trade or fairness? now that should have been asked prior to the above question so that clarity would have been achieved! I am not talking about fairness, but in globalized markets that they have the upper hand by nature of their political system which dictates rather than governs, which may sound the same but are truly different.
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Originally posted by SintonFan
Btw... Boog you live fairly close by. We really should have this discussion over a beer.:D I'd love too!

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
Boog, why is China reducing taxes to get out this mess but we are talking about raising them? You never acknowledged that. because they have the capital to work with that we DON'T. They can cut taxes and still maintain social programs funded by the huge influx of money. They only hurt briefly because our purchasing power was diminished. They didn't need a large bailout to hold them over until we could get back up on our unsustainable two feet. Giving us money is like paying themselves. We are eventually going to use it to purchase from them, and with interest.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
because they have the capital to work with that we DON'T. They can cut taxes and still maintain social programs funded by the huge influx of money. They only hurt briefly because our purchasing power was diminished. They didn't need a large bailout to hold them over until we could get back up on our unsustainable two feet. Giving us money is like paying themselves. We are eventually going to use it to purchase from them, and with interest.
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We don't have the capital you mention because why? Liberals are unwilling to cut that fat off the bones left over from social programs we don't need or would undermine their political power?
How is loaning to Uncle Sam in the "stimulus package" gonna lead the money back to them? If we pay it back later yes, but proposed legislation on the books now will help prevent that ever happening. Should we continue to bankrupt the whole nation in this unheard-of power grab?

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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We don't have the capital you mention because why? Liberals are unwilling to cut that fat off the bones left over from social programs we don't need or would undermine their political power?
How is loaning to Uncle Sam in the "stimulus package" gonna lead the money back to them? If we pay it back later yes, but proposed legislation on the books now will help prevent that ever happening. Should we continue to bankrupt the whole nation in this unheard-of power grab?


well something tells me the cost of the two wars have played a big part in our Government money problems( not an opinion about the validity of the wars, just accepting how much of an economical impact they have)

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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We don't have the capital you mention because why? Liberals are unwilling to cut that fat off the bones left over from social programs we don't need or would undermine their political power? haha again, back to the liberal agenda huh? Despite "conservatives" in Congress and Presidency being anything but fiscally conservative. Our lack of capital gets worse with every wall street disaster we clean up. We build wealth based on stocks that go from stellar to worthless in no time. The house of cards America has.



Originally posted by SintonFan
.How is loaning to Uncle Sam in the "stimulus package" gonna lead the money back to them? If we pay it back later yes, but proposed legislation on the books now will help prevent that ever happening. Should we continue to bankrupt the whole nation in this unheard-of power grab? uhhh Loan=repayment with interest. What legislation do you speak of prevents us from paying back the Chinese? I am fairly certain they would be raising ALL KINDS OF HELL. Powergrab? I like how an election where the GOP is destroyed is considered a GRAB.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
to arrive at the point that you didn't have one
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How is that a contradiction? You are being vague seemingly to avoid saying something that doesn't make sense perhaps? Not a shot, just asking. And yes, they control more by nature of, AGAIN, the unequal trade. Production, industry, what built our country and made it great is no longer here, it is THERE. They are more capitalistic by nature of eliminating the opposing force which is labor by nature of a governmental model that is communist. They impose communist will on the poor while enjoy the riches of capitalism in the upper echelons of their society.


now that should have been asked prior to the above question so that clarity would have been achieved! I am not talking about fairness, but in globalized markets that they have the upper hand by nature of their political system which dictates rather than governs, which may sound the same but are truly different.
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I'd love too!
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How can you respond to a "point that's not there"?:D
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Not a vague point but pointing out that your definition of Capitalism does not support your argument. You have some kind of pseudo definition of Capitalism you must be working with. One that embraces government decisions instead of private decisions.
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Please expand upon the issue of fairness.:)
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Ok, we need to have a beer soon(at my house lol).:D

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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How can you respond to a "point that's not there"?:D by deconstructing one that is put forth as such. Simple
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Originally posted by SintonFan
.Not a vague point but pointing out that your definition of Capitalism does not support your argument. You have some kind of pseudo definition of Capitalism you must be working with. One that embraces government decisions instead of private decisions. Naturally, capitalism is not carbon copied or one in the same,it varies like the weather in every country who adopts any semblance of it. Most western developed nations employ social programs in guard to Capitalism's propensity to crumble at the slightest hint of malfeasance. In the United States the Government is a conduit to capitalism. It's the tool of the wealthy. While you point to social programs, I point to subsidies and MI complex, wars, and jobs moving overseas as our dismantling
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Originally posted by SintonFan
.Please expand upon the issue of fairness.:) Need I? You can take your facetious attitude to those who play em, if you have a serious question, please ask in that manner. I think even the most ardent of free marketeers could understand the idea of FAIR trade.
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[Txbroadcaster]

I LIKE CHEESE

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
haha again, back to the liberal agenda huh? Despite "conservatives" in Congress and Presidency being anything but fiscally conservative. Our lack of capital gets worse with every wall street disaster we clean up. We build wealth based on stocks that go from stellar to worthless in no time. The house of cards America has.


uhhh Loan=repayment with interest. What legislation do you speak of prevents us from paying back the Chinese? I am fairly certain they would be raising ALL KINDS OF HELL. Powergrab? I like how an election where the GOP is destroyed is considered a GRAB.
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Well, you do know that that side is unwilling to cut into any social program(to save money) but instead expand it. There is no denying that. The result of which does help their power base. Why is cutting social spending off-topic?:thinking:
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Hello! The non-partisan CBO has reported that the Government "Health care" bill will add tremendously to our short and long-term deficit. I am not worried about the current path of deficit spending so much now because of inept Representatives/Senators...
I am worried that they might not be so inept after all. That line of thought takes you down a very dark road indeed. Does it not?

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I LIKE CHEESE on Ritz

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Well, you do know that that side is unwilling to cut into any social program(to save money) but instead expand it. There is no denying that. The result of which does help their power base. Why is cutting social spending off-topic?:thinking: never stated that, but unlike you, I know it is not the ONLY topic. Social spending is always the 1st thing to get cut because, well, who gives a sh*t about the poor. Now start taking away fed funding and subsidy to the rich, well, that's downright un-American, unless a Democrat does it, then its socialism. haha
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Originally posted by SintonFan
Hello! The non-partisan CBO has reported that the Government "Health care" bill will add tremendously to our short and long-term deficit. And as I told TexasHSFB to do, go back and reread my comments about that. I too believe it is foolish, rushed and done sloppily to take advantage of poll numbers while he has em. It's one of my points in an article to a journal I'm writing. System is broke.


Originally posted by SintonFan
I am not worried about the current path of deficit spending so much now because of inept Representatives/Senators...
I am worried that they might not be so inept after all. That line of thought takes you down a very dark road indeed. Does it not? absolutely, but not because poor people are getting food stamps, but because Republican and Democrat wish to save every "entrepreneurial" spirit when they take a risk and get burned. So much so that they take risks irregardless if they believe it will succeed, knowing you can't be allowed to fail is what scares me, talk about incentive to keep misbehaving.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
never stated that, but unlike you, I know it is not the ONLY topic. Social spending is always the 1st thing to get cut because, well, who gives a sh*t about the poor. Now start taking away fed funding and subsidy to the rich, well, that's downright un-American, unless a Democrat does it, then its socialism. haha
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And as I told TexasHSFB to do, go back and reread my comments about that. I too believe it is foolish, rushed and done sloppily to take advantage of poll numbers while he has em. It's one of my points in an article to a journal I'm writing. System is broke.

absolutely, but not because poor people are getting food stamps, but because Republican and Democrat wish to save every "entrepreneurial" spirit when they take a risk and get burned. So much so that they take risks irregardless if they believe it will succeed, knowing you can't be allowed to fail is what scares me, talk about incentive to keep misbehaving.
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"but unlike you"...
can you not help yourself with the derogatory comments?:doh:
Why do you have to make it personal?
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Have you ever had a boss that was not "rich"? They employ most non-government workers...
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I read your point about Obama rushing this legislation through but worry why YOU worry about it so much. Could it be because it is political suicide or because you might want more control over what they propose. I don't know. Clarify.
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You can't paint both parties with the same brush, paint or canvas. The current mess !right now! is partly a result of the most non-transparent form of government in our history, even though we were promised we would have the "most transparent" by our President. The Nation's "entrepreneurial spirit" is the backbone of this nation and is all private sector.:)
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I'll be home this weekend to cook some rib-eyes and have a beer.:D

[PPHSfan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
your still a kid relative to them and even you can put together the difference between hard working Americans and CEOs of Corporations that legally have the same rights as citizens yet respond in sociopathic manners because it is not the fault of the actor but the "personified" market that CAN'T be manipulated :rolleyes: .

Please, TXB gave the PERFECT response and he still leaves out specificity such as SNL, Enron, Lehman, Goldman Sachs, Citibank, mark to market stocks based on potential rather than actual worth, manipulation of the energy grids by Enron in California (which we have audio evidence of and was produced in court when the State of California sued them, which won't amount to anything being that they are worth squat. Goldman Sachs has been in the business of taking risks since the great depression, yet they have always operated under the assurance that said risks would be protected by the U.S. Govt as has been displayed over and over again. We live in post-industrial America folks, money made from money based on lies, deceit and manipulation of the markets isn't hard working, those are the folks who lose all their retirement by investing in those companies who drive up their stock by their own huge injections of capital into them (normally financed by Uncle Sam) then sellin prior to collapse leaving the hard workin Americans you guys so patriotically brought up high and dry, while the big wigs who produced nothing, had nothing to show for their stocks because it was based on potential, so they just collect what you guys adequately put, THE GOVERNMENT CHECK

Hey Booger,

I think we have found something we can agree on. First off, I agree there is corruption. But I can find corruption in any entity know to man. I also agree that being in the business of making nothing but money is criminal. If you don't make a product or provide a service, then you are not Making anything, you're Taking. If someone makes a Billion Dollars without providing a service or Product, someone else has to Lose a Billion Dollars.

But here is where I think we will split hairs. While I truly believe that (and I will only use Golman Sachs as an example) it takes a force as powerful as Uncle Sam to go after this level of corruption, I think the wrong players are on the field.

If Uncle Sam wants to go after corrupt big business, then he needs to send in the SEC and the FBI, not the SIG's, PAC's and Congress.

Besides, we can certainly all agree that Congress has much more important business to spend our tax dollars on, like Keeping Steroids out of Baseball, and Homos from getting married.:p

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan

"but unlike you"...
can you not help yourself with the derogatory comments?:doh:
Why do you have to make it personal? Geez SF, haha NO, that "unlike you" is derogatory now? haha NO, all that meant was you are only looking at one aspect of a much larger ordeal. Who's getting under who's skin?
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Originally posted by SintonFan
.Have you ever had a boss that was not "rich"? They employ most non-government workers... Ok, out of left field here, none of my bosses were multi-billion dollar conglomerates with assets in various continents. Lets not mix small business with industrial and financial sector, very different.
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Originally posted by SintonFan
I read your point about Obama rushing this legislation through but worry why YOU worry about it so much. Could it be because it is political suicide or because you might want more control over what they propose. I don't know. Clarify. See what I mean about your circular reasoning, you ask for an explanation yet give two answers I have to choose from, from which I will not pick either, where as a younger individual who you likely enjoy to toy with will argue that point. haha Thank you for the PERFECT EXAMPLE. No, my analysis is not of policy but action, and why Presidents seek to use fleeing moments of popularity to push forth agendas early. Their are some anomaly's such as the spike after 9/11 and the W admin's ratcheting up the rhetoric to connect 9/11 to Iraq.
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Originally posted by SintonFan
You can't paint both parties with the same brush, paint or canvas. The current mess !right now! is partly a result of the most non-transparent form of government in our history my god, you have to be kidding me! haha ok well, I certainly am not forcing you to believe otherwise but, No, absolutely huge falsehood, in comparison to the last administration which invoked so much exec privilege for everything it did. Sorry, you're just wrong.


Originally posted by SintonFan
even though we were promised we would have the "most transparent" by our President. The Nation's I agree, he's KEPT some of the transparencies from his predecessor, and that has angered the left far mor than the right!


Originally posted by SintonFan
"entrepreneurial spirit" is the backbone of this nation and is all private sector.:) Oh absolutely, however once again, you as the others fail too see the difference between those who offer a service or product and wall street that when they take "entrepreneurial risk" they need not worry about the outcome, THAT is not entrepreneurial, and when their mistakes literally shake the foundation of the nation's fiscal health, sorry, all you've pointed out is social programs, it just speaks highly of your reasoning to look down, when the unraveling is occurring above you!

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