Greatest Senatorial Joke ever!

[SintonFan]

Just swore in!
I give him/her two years before we see it crying on youtube.
Just look in the mirror and say "I'm good enough and smart enough and dog gone it people like me!" a 1000 times more and your wishes WILL come true. :doh:

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by SintonFan
Just swore in!
I give him/her two years before we see it crying on youtube.
Just look in the mirror and say "I'm good enough and smart enough and dog gone it people like me!" a 1000 times more and your wishes WILL come true. :doh:

Read a few of his books. He isnt new to the game of politics. He graduated from Harvard (cum laude) with a degree in political science.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Read a few of his books. He isnt new to the game of politics. He graduated from Harvard (cum laude) with a degree in political science.

All that means is that he is an educated intelligent fool. Who reads his books? Or put it another way, how many best sellers has he had? Mark Levin has one now that you should read. Liberty and Tyranny. Number one for a few weeks and still goin.

[piratebg]

He's good, but I only read stuff by this guy.
































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[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
All that means is that he is an educated intelligent fool. Who reads his books? Or put it another way, how many best sellers has he had? Mark Levin has one now that you should read. Liberty and Tyranny. Number one for a few weeks and still goin.

You are very generous putting the work intelligent in there. Libery and Tyranny is a must read.

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
All that means is that he is an educated intelligent fool. Who reads his books? Or put it another way, how many best sellers has he had? Mark Levin has one now that you should read. Liberty and Tyranny. Number one for a few weeks and still goin.

Franken has only written 5 best sellers. You are the ones stabbing at him, so I urge you to be educated and read up. ;)

[CHSVARSITYDAD]

Liberty and Tyranny is real good!

[AP Panther Fan]

What is it up with Minnesota? Wrestlers and comedians...hmmmm. They must need entertainment when they are "frozen in" during those long, cold winters... that or the sub-zero temps affects their reasoning abilities on the way to the polls.

:blahblah:

Whatever, I am sure Franken is a smart (and funny) guy.

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
Franken is the left-wing equal of Rush Limbaugh. Just a party hack. Minnesota politics are a joke(Jesse Ventura, anyone?).

Minn. politics is a joke, but a very bad joke!

[PPHSfan]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
Franken is the left-wing equal of Rush Limbaugh. Just a party hack. Minnesota politics are a joke(Jesse Ventura, anyone?).

I don't think Franken could cary Rush's jock strap. Franken and Bill Mahr both make me wanna reach through the TV set and slap them. Granted, Limbaugh can have the same effect on me, but Franken and Mahr couldn't equal Rush's IQ if they added theirs together.

[sinton66]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Franken has only written 5 best sellers. You are the ones stabbing at him, so I urge you to be educated and read up. ;)

I hope he's better at politics than he was at comedy. I never found him funny.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by sinton66
I hope he's better at politics than he was at comedy. I never found him funny. believe it or not, I didn't either, but I like the guy! (I know, NATURALLY YOU DO BOOGER!) LOL

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by CHSVARSITYDAD
Liberty and Tyranny is real good! I've read it, lots of right wing tripe, conservative manifesto that doesn't analyze any mistakes the RIGHT has made to arrive at this position. I'm sure it's sold a lot, people love to read a justification of their position w/o having to answer for the the transgressions of those they voted for! He completely leaves off corporate scandals and free market exploitation and goes into some uncorroborated drivel about how Mexicans are bringing disease with them to the United States and some other xenophobic filth( reminiscent of Michael Savages crap). At least when ETB talks his stuff, he accepts the shortcomings and faults of the right!

[DDBooger]

want to talk about some jokes!!!

Ensign
Sanford
&
Palin

Two who condemned Clinton and said Censure was not enough!
:thinking:

And another who gets out when it gets hot! Apparently a point guard makes a pass and quits at halftime! LOL

She's simply getting a small taste of what Pelosi and Hilary Clinton endure daily, weekly and Yearly. They laugh it off!

Palin telling Clinton to stop whining about criticisms! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-uyXuZTDN4&feature=channel_page)

[Trashman]

Originally posted by sinton66
I hope he's better at politics than he was at comedy. I never found him funny. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by DDBooger
believe it or not, I didn't either, but I like the guy! (I know, NATURALLY YOU DO BOOGER!) LOL

Pretty good books. :) Nice summary of Liberty and Tyranny.

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by DDBooger


Palin telling Clinton to stop whining about criticisms! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-uyXuZTDN4&feature=channel_page)

Tea bag, Booger? :p

[Blastoderm55]

I enjoyed Franken's radio show back when we picked up Air America. He was a bit more balanced than the nut-bars on the Majority Report. :p

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Franken has only written 5 best sellers. You are the ones stabbing at him, so I urge you to be educated and read up. ;)

Best sellers on politics or comedy?

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by DDBooger
I've read it, lots of right wing tripe, conservative manifesto that doesn't analyze any mistakes the RIGHT has made to arrive at this position. I'm sure it's sold a lot, people love to read a justification of their position w/o having to answer for the the transgressions of those they voted for! He completely leaves off corporate scandals and free market exploitation and goes into some uncorroborated drivel about how Mexicans are bringing disease with them to the United States and some other xenophobic filth( reminiscent of Michael Savages crap). At least when ETB talks his stuff, he accepts the shortcomings and faults of the right!

You are reading into the book what the left generally does. Explain themselves and why it is somebody elses fault it did not work. The book is an explanation of the conservative point of view based on history research and philosophy and what the statist is and means in backdrop. The conservatives are actually not that far right in this country but the left has no clue. If you want to see far right try Taliban and the fanatic islamic fundamentalist which believe in jihad and death to those that do not believe as they do. Then you will have the far right. In this country the conservative is moderate by comparison.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
You are reading into the book what the left generally does. Explain themselves and why it is somebody elses fault it did not work. That's precisely what it evoked with it's lack of objectivity, it read like a political pep rally and restatement of already known beliefs for people on the right. If this is the best, I can see why the right has a hard time following what it promotes when in control! The right is in serious need of another William F. Buckley or Milton Friedman, less passionate, more pragmatic and not so caught up in the social issues as much as reality.


Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
The book is an explanation of the conservative point of view based on history research and philosophy and what the statist is and means in backdrop. The conservatives are actually not that far right in this country but the left has no clue. If you want to see far right try Taliban and the fanatic islamic fundamentalist which believe in jihad and death to those that do not believe as they do. Then you will have the far right. In this country the conservative is moderate by comparison. Explanation? it's an impassioned rah rah session. At best revisionist history since it leaves out the tidbits that lead back to what he promotes. It shouldn't be just about issuing blame, but acknowledging what went wrong in order to learn from mistakes. Believe it or not, the LEFT isn't to blame for everything, despite what Hannity zombies believe. I'd have said the same thing if I got a rah rah manifesto from the left that simply restated marxism with zeal like this did with Friedman. Levin chastises Rahm Emmanuel for "taking advantage of a crisis" yet it is precisely "shock doctrine" advocated by Friedman that employs that tactic. As far as moderate conservatives and what not, if not for the REAL moderates this place would be Ameristan or Red America :D :rolleyes:

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by DDBooger
That's precisely what it evoked with it's lack of objectivity, it read like a political pep rally and restatement of already known beliefs for people on the right. If this is the best, I can see why the right has a hard time following what it promotes when in control! The right is in serious need of another William F. Buckley or Milton Friedman, less passionate, more pragmatic and not so caught up in the social issues as much as reality.

Explanation? it's an impassioned rah rah session. At best revisionist history since it leaves out the tidbits that lead back to what he promotes. It shouldn't be just about issuing blame, but acknowledging what went wrong in order to learn from mistakes. Believe it or not, the LEFT isn't to blame for everything, despite what Hannity zombies believe. I'd have said the same thing if I got a rah rah manifesto from the left that simply restated marxism with zeal like this did with Friedman. Levin chastises Rahm Emmanuel for "taking advantage of a crisis" yet it is precisely "shock doctrine" advocated by Friedman that employs that tactic. As far as moderate conservatives and what not, if not for the REAL moderates this place would be Ameristan or Red America :D :rolleyes:

Why so defensive? I am not issuing blame. Nor is the book. IN the book it is explaining two disparate points of view. The statist believes in power thru government. The conservative believes in power thru the people. When people move they make individual mistakes that can cost. When governments have control of individual prosperity say government run health care for instance a mistake can be catastrophic. The government is of the people by the people for the people. Any time a sitting president can say "I will allow you to keep your doctor", you are looking at the collective or statist point of view. The conservative response is what the hell business of yours is it to tell me you have any say in my doctor at all. That is the purpose of the book. It does go on to say that a collectivist view will curtail rights and is in fact correct. It also says that a conservative view is for individual rights and responsibility and is also correct. It does not go into all the mistakes of either side but does point out the inherent conflict between a democratic republic vs a socialist republic.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by DDBooger
That's precisely what it evoked with it's lack of objectivity, it read like a political pep rally and restatement of already known beliefs for people on the right. If this is the best, I can see why the right has a hard time following what it promotes when in control! The right is in serious need of another William F. Buckley or Milton Friedman, less passionate, more pragmatic and not so caught up in the social issues as much as reality.

Explanation? it's an impassioned rah rah session. At best revisionist history since it leaves out the tidbits that lead back to what he promotes. It shouldn't be just about issuing blame, but acknowledging what went wrong in order to learn from mistakes. Believe it or not, the LEFT isn't to blame for everything, despite what Hannity zombies believe. I'd have said the same thing if I got a rah rah manifesto from the left that simply restated marxism with zeal like this did with Friedman. Levin chastises Rahm Emmanuel for "taking advantage of a crisis" yet it is precisely "shock doctrine" advocated by Friedman that employs that tactic. As far as moderate conservatives and what not, if not for the REAL moderates this place would be Ameristan or Red America :D :rolleyes:

As far as revisionist history you are short sited. The history for the constitution was the tyranny of the English by taxing to death and the attempt to remove the rights of the colonists for which the constitution was written in such a fashion as to prevent it from happening again. The conservative view is to maintain that view and the history goes back to the Magna Charta where we are all sovereign people with the same rights as the king. In a collectivist society we all sacrifice our rights for the good of the whole. Who defines that whole is the man in charge, otherwise known as a soft tyranny. De Toqueville himself said that our government would fail as soon as americans could be bribed for our votes vis a via Health care for everyone, jobs for everyone etc. There is no inherent power in the consitution for our government to create jobs or give health care. Never was and still should not be.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Why so defensive? I am not issuing blame. Nor is the book. IN the book it is explaining two disparate points of view. The statist believes in power thru government. The conservative believes in power thru the people. When people move they make individual mistakes that can cost. When governments have control of individual prosperity say government run health care for instance a mistake can be catastrophic. The government is of the people by the people for the people. Any time a sitting president can say "I will allow you to keep your doctor", you are looking at the collective or statist point of view. The conservative response is what the hell business of yours is it to tell me you have any say in my doctor at all. That is the purpose of the book. It does go on to say that a collectivist view will curtail rights and is in fact correct. It also says that a conservative view is for individual rights and responsibility and is also correct. It does not go into all the mistakes of either side but does point out the inherent conflict between a democratic republic vs a socialist republic. Not defensive at all, it was you who began in on me about some left view. Your belief that either is a set in stone fact is laughable and shows how reality is often skewed when ideology is presented absent of objectivity, it becomes a conservative MANIFESTO. Both suggest a utopian society, one collectivist the other conservative. The thought the free market is able to decide the best option has always been laughable to me because it entirely looks over the exploitation of HUMAN ACTORS who manipulate the system!! How many times have we had to save wall street since deregulation in 80s? How many scandals? ENTIRELY OVERLOOKED!!! How about Iraq!! A true conservative would ask why are we spending a trillion dollars on rebuilding ANOTHER NATION. (i.e. Ron Paul). It's all hogwash, both economic theories put too much weight in ideology and don't pay attention to realities. The forefathers never envisioned the POWER of the private sector an its ability to get its hands on everything from Govt to global systems through IMF and WTO. The purist form of capitalism worldwide have the highest rates of disparity between wealthy and poor. Easy to do when the globally coordinated elite exist to manipulate the FREE market. we'll have to agree to disagree, because lot of evidence out there to suggest capitalism isn't the religion you lay your life on! By the way, the free market has done wonders for healthcare! :) has it not? capitalism doesn't always produce freedom and socialism doesn't always produce totalitarianism. If not for OUR F-up in America, Europe and developed nations would have been doing just fine! That is why I worry about FREE MARKETS left to the select few who truly operate it. The ramifications no longer only effect us! Greed is an amazing thing!

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
As far as revisionist history you are short sited. The history for the constitution was the tyranny of the English by taxing to death and the attempt to remove the rights of the colonists for which the constitution was written in such a fashion as to prevent it from happening again. The conservative view is to maintain that view and the history goes back to the Magna Charta where we are all sovereign people with the same rights as the king. In a collectivist society we all sacrifice our rights for the good of the whole. Who defines that whole is the man in charge, otherwise known as a soft tyranny. De Toqueville himself said that our government would fail as soon as americans could be bribed for our votes vis a via Health care for everyone, jobs for everyone etc. There is no inherent power in the consitution for our government to create jobs or give health care. Never was and still should not be. LOL always going back as far as they can, haha they also never foresaw transnational corporations that no longer operate between sovereign lines, using globalization to circumnavigate the rules and regulations in place of any spot on earth. Where is labor cheapest, ok, were there. Who has the laxest bank policies, ok, were there. Who can provide a resource and manufacture it on site, ok, were there. So we should go back in time to deal with complex systems that laugh at documents that can only control what is here. Perhaps instead of looking backwards you should look forward!

I'm off to Houston for tonights Astros game! I hope you don't take this as me being angry, you and few others on here I value to sharpen my view on matters. These discussions are interesting and complex! If I'm not to inebriated I'll get on late tonight! ;) Take her easy Billy

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by DDBooger
LOL always going back as far as they can, haha they also never foresaw transnational corporations that no longer operate between sovereign lines, using globalization to circumnavigate the rules and regulations in place of any spot on earth. Where is labor cheapest, ok, were there. Who has the laxest bank policies, ok, were there. Who can provide a resource and manufacture it on site, ok, were there. So we should go back in time to deal with complex systems that laugh at documents that can only control what is here. Perhaps instead of looking backwards you should look forward!

I'm off to Houston for tonights Astros game! I hope you don't take this as me being angry, you and few others on here I value to sharpen my view on matters. These discussions are interesting and complex! If I'm not to inebriated I'll get on late tonight! ;) Take her easy Billy

Actually I disagree with that. The states have the rights to curtail activity within its borders as it sees fit as long as the constitution is not violated which was also included in the consitution. The constitution was not designed to regulate morality nor the markets. The states had that capability but sacrificed it to the federal government. I have no problem with reasonable regulation. Conservatism is not specifically an economic system but a belief system that allows freedom within a construct while socialism believes that the construct should dispense or reject whatever freedom it deems necessary to fulfill its goals. This country was built on liberty and freedom not socialism. And if you believe the unions have failed in their attempts to protect the workers from corporate tyranny you are sadly misinformed.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Actually I disagree with that. The states have the rights to curtail activity within its borders as it sees fit as long as the constitution is not violated which was also included in the consitution. The constitution was not designed to regulate morality nor the markets. The states had that capability but sacrificed it to the federal government. I have no problem with reasonable regulation. Conservatism is not specifically an economic system but a belief system that allows freedom within a construct while socialism believes that the construct should dispense or reject whatever freedom it deems necessary to fulfill its goals. This country was built on liberty and freedom not socialism. And if you believe the unions have failed in their attempts to protect the workers from corporate tyranny you are sadly misinformed.

In continuation, the multinational level of business was around many moons ago. The original beduins sat astride the great trading lanes in Iraq going back centuries and affected trade by raiding and regulating what happened in their lands. the barabary pirates did the same. If you think you see something new under the sun you are foolish. The golden rule was around as long as man has. He who makes the gold makes the rules. And as had been said in ecclesiastes by King Solomon there is nothing new under the sun. So looking back you find that the truth was there and is still there. The truth has always been evident but people see what they want to see. History always repeats itself. The soviet union proved once and for all that socialist extremism does not and cannot work. Capitalism is what won the day. So look and see the truth in the present or distant past but nothing new is under the sun.

[DDBooger]

LOL I can't wait to get home to skewer this horse manure. And LMAO that you went biblical! ;)

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
East India Trading Company?
DD, you dismiss it as "horse manure" before you ever read it? You're making yourself out to be a very close-minded, left-wing hack. I thought you had a broader view and were more intelligent than that. Im close minded? How many times have I fact ck'd you? You simply regurgitate and FEAR monger! Oh and I read every bit of it, and comparing the DE co. To today is laughable, production lines, specializations, inexhaustible unskilled labor, intl banking is THE driving force globally! I'll keep going later, I'm on an iPhone.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
Indeed. You called it "horse manure" and dismissed it before you ever read it. Sounds like a Rush Limbaugh/Al Franken clone. You claim to be bipartisan, yet all Ive ever seen you do is attack the right. You say you have no love for the left as well, yet all Ive ever seen you do is defend the left and attack the right. LOL when I see a left wing thread I'll respond accordingly, 99% of the stuff is Obama this, socialist this, Acorn this, Obama jokes lol even when Bush was pres it was nearly all attacking left! On another note, I personally have never started a thread to bash the right, at least not to my memory, I've been entirely reactionary! Oh and I agree cash for clunkers is stupid! Simply adding to peoples debt and more natural resorce extraction which is hardly green! Obama is doing it all wrong! I'm stuck in H-town traffic!

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
LOL I can't wait to get home to skewer this horse manure. And LMAO that you went biblical! ;)
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Ok let me get this.
You are saying that because BILLYFRED0000 brought up history and his point was that history repeats itself, you call his point horse manure and you laugh at biblical times or stories?
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How exactly do you skewer manure? I'm not sure, but why would you want to do that to begin with unless you want to eat some.:thumbsup:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Ok let me get this.
You are saying that because BILLYFRED0000 brought up history and his point was that history repeats itself, you call his point horse manure and you laugh at biblical times or stories? cliches are cute, but they presume all things are the same and act in a vacuum, transgressors and victims often switch roles or learn from their mistakes hence advancement and progression to where we are at today which is far different and much more sinister in the sense that it requires compliance from the elite of exploited nations.
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Originally posted by SintonFan
.How exactly do you skewer manure? I'm not sure, but why would you want to do that to begin with unless you want to eat some.:thumbsup: actually the term is used quite frequently when describing someone who has been "run through", lanced or impaled. In regard to doing that to feces, well, I get plenty of practice with what you guys throw on the wall and hope sticks! I simply come along and clean it up! haha ;) :p

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
So, you're the defender of the minority? A friend to the friendless, so to speak? How very noble. ;) as opposed to a group of 3-4 people seeing who hates the lefties more, who can out do the other in fear and eventually making a bomb shelter? lmao THE GOVT BOOGIE MAN IS COMING!! did you run under the table? haha Mr. Noble ;)

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
haha Mr. Noble ;)
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Is Noble a bad thing today?:confused:
What has changed recently if that is considered bad? Lots of happy married ladies out there currently married to those who consider themselves Noble and visa versa...

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Actually I disagree with that. The states have the rights to curtail activity within its borders as it sees fit as long as the constitution is not violated which was also included in the consitution. The constitution was not designed to regulate morality nor the markets. The states had that capability but sacrificed it to the federal government. I have no problem with reasonable regulation. Conservatism is not specifically an economic system but a belief system that allows freedom within a construct while socialism believes that the construct should dispense or reject whatever freedom it deems necessary to fulfill its goals. This country was built on liberty and freedom not socialism. And if you believe the unions have failed in their attempts to protect the workers from corporate tyranny you are sadly misinformed. Actually no, the constitution has no say over TNCs when they operate different sectors and subsidiaries in friendly countries to a policy they seek as favorable to them. You are entirely correct about the constitution not designed to regulate morality or the markets, it has unraveled in the last 3 decades quite convincingly after the neo-liberal policies of Reagan/Thatcher were promoted globally. Now, I am not faulting them for what private corporations do, but those who advised him knew, yet he isn't the only guilty party as it continues down the line all the way to BHO. Oh and as far as Unions you couldn't be further from the truth! Unions had nearly gone extinct after 80 along with the aforementioned neo-liberal policies that loosened the regulations on these TNCs to grow exponentially and play labor in developing nations and South Hemishpere countries against American workers. The saddest part about this is that when these companies made the ultimatum to american workers in order for them to compete, those same owners were EO on American boards and large shareholders in the competing company abroad, thus pitting labor here against labor in sri lanka or bangladesh while owners were essentially pitted against themselves. This was thoroughly and efficiently brought on by IMF WTO mandating to these developing nations that in order for them to acquire global bank loans they'd have to eliminate social welfare program in nations that it wasn't quite welfare as opposed to subsistences farming, hence why you've seen nations in South America, Asia and Africa that have bent to agri-business pushing populations that consisted of 70-80% rural indivisuals to the outskirts of cities (ie slums in Mex City, Sao Paolo, Calcutta). This upheavel of their systems conveniently provided the INEXHAUSTIBLE, UNSKILLED labor to hold the gun to American workers heads in order for them to submit to benefit and wage/salary cuts. As a matter of fact, as a result of the cruel efficiency the WTO, IMF, and UN have begun to work on ways to reverse these policies.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Is Noble a bad thing today?:confused:
What has changed recently if that is considered bad? Lots of happy married ladies out there currently married to those who consider themselves Noble and visa versa... actually no SF, that is a quality I Find most important, it reflects upon my parents and family. I was simply returning the volley! ;)

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
In continuation, the multinational level of business was around many moons ago. The original beduins sat astride the great trading lanes in Iraq going back centuries and affected trade by raiding and regulating what happened in their lands. it most certainly was, but the division of labor and stratification of those making the goods and those who own them is far different today then from history. What you have in these developing natiosn is people making items that would take them a years salary to afford, a Bedoin would take your head off your shoulder at it's offer!


Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
the barabary pirates did the same. If you think you see something new under the sun you are foolish. The golden rule was around as long as man has. He who makes the gold makes the rules. And as had been said in ecclesiastes by King Solomon there is nothing new under the sun. again rules of trade and expansion of global markets to include the whole planet has created a situation that makes the earth an island. LIke civilizations prior, when you cannot extend your needs past a biosphere you operate from a finite ecological system in a infinite economic theory, they are at odds and at the speed that the Chinese and Indians are advancing, based on Kuznets Curve, the degredation will be TREMENDOUS! I'm no greenie and whether you believe in Global Climate Change is irrelevant, its basic addition and subtraction. Another difference as in your bedouin example is the inequal trade agreements that are bartered by developed nations to undeveloped. The elite and powerful of those nations are more than willing to sell out their populations for their benefit. Now the Indians and Chinese have learned to OWN their technology, yet their burdensome numbers will likely have a devastating effect in their approach to U.S. levels of development.


Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
So looking back you find that the truth was there and is still there. The truth has always been evident but people see what they want to see. History always repeats itself. The soviet union proved once and for all that socialist extremism does not and cannot work. Capitalism is what won the day. So look and see the truth in the present or distant past but nothing new is under the sun. Actually, if you look carefully, no, capitalism didn't win, our country outspent them. Yet think about it, the nations we defended from Communinst Russia have become what? The Republicans are so fond of saying it....EUROPEAN SOCIALISM!!! As a matter of fact, most developing nations use socialism to innoculate them from the uncertainties of capitalism. AS a matter of fact, all developed nations have socialized healthcare. Now I'm not using that to advocate it here, but NO capitalism didn't win it was simply exported to developing nations and in response to the low standard of living in those nations in competition with Western societies, socialism has been used to protect their people from what we are currently seeing. As a matter of fact, what occured was a country with freedom outspent a country that locked it's people in.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
cliches are cute, but they presume all things are the same and act in a vacuum, transgressors and victims often switch roles or learn from their mistakes hence advancement and progression to where we are at today which is far different and much more sinister in the sense that it requires compliance from the elite of exploited nations.

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Let me understand this...
So you are saying, that if "cliches" learning about history presume and it acts in a vacuum, there is nothing to be learned from history? Because sometimes the roles are switched we can't use "cliches" to learn from past mistakes ever?
Isn't Al Frankenstein in the elite of one nation who now exploits those exploited nations? He is a true American case when it comes to rising to power... but you can't refute the fact that he isn't still a joke.(hence the topic)
Keep in mind no one here can read your mind...
but I bet you can. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/wuerg/vomit-smiley-022.gif:D

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
actually no SF, that is a quality I Find most important, it reflects upon my parents and family. I was simply returning the volley! ;)
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Reading your short prose, I would think that you would reinforce something that was good instead of a knee-jerk reaction to put down something that was noble.:ack!:
That was wrong man!:eek:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Let me understand this...
So you are saying, that if "cliches" learning about history presume and it acts in a vacuum, there is nothing to be learned from history? Because sometimes the roles are switched we can't use "cliches" to learn from past mistakes ever?
Isn't Al Frankenstein in the elite of one nation who now exploits those exploited nations? He is a true American case when it comes to rising to power... but you can't refute the fact that he isn't still a joke.(hence the topic)
Keep in mind no one here can read your mind...
but I bet you can. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/wuerg/vomit-smiley-022.gif:D depending on your example and how it compares to the situaion. (i.e. invasion of Russia in the winter) and not (economic systems that continue to progess as any political scientist, social scientist and economist will tell you. from fiefdoms, mercantilism and what in between to the existing economic theories.

You are very correct! He, you and me and all of us are parts of that. Now knowledge of it and doing something are two different things. I do my best to understand what I'm buying and where it originates and whether it is fairly traded. Even that it turns out is sort of shady. You wanna call him a joke, so be it, I don't care, he's irrelevant to me, I like the guy, but if you don't, that's your business.

As far as his rise to power, well, come on, Norm Coleman has now lost to a wrestler and comedian haha. Oh and by the way, he more than holds his own vs Coulter and regularly factchecks her tail to her embarrasment. Guy isn't a sod, I realize there are those who hate him, but sit down with him and I'm pretty sure he'll take you apart.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Reading your short prose, I would think that you would reinforce something that was good instead of a knee-jerk reaction to put down something that was noble.:ack!:
That was wrong man!:eek: I'm sure ETB's description of my nobility wasn't facetious. :)

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
depending on your example and how it compares to the situaion. (i.e. invasion of Russia in the winter) and not (economic systems that continue to progess as any political scientist, social scientist and economist will tell you. from fiefdoms, mercantilism and what in between to the existing economic theories.

You are very correct! He, you and me and all of us are parts of that. Now knowledge of it and doing something are two different things. I do my best to understand what I'm buying and where it originates and whether it is fairly traded. Even that it turns out is sort of shady. You wanna call him a joke, so be it, I don't care, he's irrelevant to me, I like the guy, but if you don't, that's your business.

As far as his rise to power, well, come on, Norm Coleman has now lost to a wrestler and comedian haha. Oh and by the way, he more than holds his own vs Coulter and regularly factchecks her tail to her embarrasment. Guy isn't a sod, I realize there are those who hate him, but sit down with him and I'm pretty sure he'll take you apart.
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You didn't answer my question really at all four posts down(or up lol).
No Frankenstein IS NOT irrelevant to you. If he was, why would you post so many times in this thread?
You put down Norm Coleman in the process?
Don't tell me you don't calculate your responses.
I really doubt I have much to worry when it comes to a "talk with Frankenstein"...:nerd:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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You didn't answer my question really at all four posts down(or up lol).
No Frankenstein IS NOT irrelevant to you. If he was, why would you post so many times in this thread?
You put down Norm Coleman in the process?
Don't tell me you don't calculate your responses.
I really doubt I have much to worry when it comes to a "talk with Frankenstein"...:nerd: :thinking: perhaps because it stopped being about him quite a long time ago. And I didn't defend him, my response was to a book :), only thing I mentioned about him till you brought it up was I didn't think he was funny, but thought the guy was swell. I shouldn't have worded it as to YOU personally, the guy is a nerd, but I really know very little about him.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
:thinking: perhaps because it stopped being about him quite a long time ago. And I didn't defend him, my response was to a book :), only thing I mentioned about him till you brought it up was I didn't think he was funny, but thought the guy was swell. I shouldn't have worded it as to YOU personally, the guy is a nerd, but I really know very little about him.
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Clarity is good. :cool:
Why don't you start a thread sometimes?:D
every time you start a thread a Republican loses his trunk... ;)

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Clarity is good. :cool:
Why don't you start a thread sometimes?:D
every time you start a thread a Republican loses his trunk... ;) hahahaha always fun SintonFan! ;)

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
Do you have the ability to answer a question without taking a shot at someone? I'll rephrase it.
So, you attack the right and defend the left on here b/c the vast majority support the right? Is that correct? and I'll repeat, when someone starts a crapload of threads bemoaning the right and calling them names and spreading fear and OH MY GOD THE GOVT IS COMING! I'll be glad to respond. I don't defend the left, I simply point out what arguments are hypocritical and which are laughable. When a bunch of left wingers come on here acting similarly I guess I'll check them too? Don't know how else to phrase it? On another not? is it fine for you to cast underhanded aspersions and not ok for me to respond? Come on ETB.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
and I'll repeat, when someone starts a crapload of threads bemoaning the right and calling them names and spreading fear and OH MY GOD THE GOVT IS COMING! I'll be glad to respond. I don't defend the left, I simply point out what arguments are hypocritical and which are laughable. When a bunch of left wingers come on here acting similarly I guess I'll check them too? Don't know how else to phrase it? On another not? is it fine for you to cast underhanded aspersions and not ok for me to respond? Come on ETB.
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I swear President "W" was infringing on all our privacy rights after 911 on topics started the last few years. Did you never contribute to those threads?:thinking:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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I swear President "W" was infringing on all our privacy rights after 911 on topics started the last few years. Did you never contribute to those threads?:thinking: feel free to check, likely not me, I wasn't comfortable enough here yet when all that went down. NOw, I may have added to it but doubt I started it.

[XtremeCouture]

you can not compare franken to limbaugh. franken is an educated man with ideas. limbaugh is a college dropout, drug addict that only says what other people write for him in order to get ignorant people to listen to his show and accept it as the gospel of politics. if you listen to limbaugh because you agree with what he says, please shoot yourself with all the ammo you are hording in preparation for obama taking your guns away.

[PPHSfan]

Originally posted by XtremeCouture
you can not compare franken to limbaugh. franken is an educated man with ideas. limbaugh is a college dropout, drug addict that only says what other people write for him in order to get ignorant people to listen to his show and accept it as the gospel of politics. if you listen to limbaugh because you agree with what he says, please shoot yourself with all the ammo you are hording in preparation for obama taking your guns away.

That's a pretty cool trick how Limbaugh gets writers to answer questions in his voice on a live call in radio show.

[PPHSfan]

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[BILLYFRED0000]

I wish I had time to respond to all those "progressive" comments.
However nothing has really changed. The business have learned to respond better to the situation around them and more quickly to exploit the situation but the basic fundamentals have not. Slavery has existed since the early Babylonian empire and before.
All you describe are different versions of slavery. But at least in many situations now these "slaves" are treated better than many of the slaves of old. There always has been and always will be master and slave. The only difference is the form in which it takes. As you grow older and wiser you will see that I have not attacked the left or the right, merely the mindset that would promote more slavery then the one that promotes less. Because the socialist point of view would have us all be slaves to some extent while the capitalist one offers the chance to be free if you can find a way and work hard enough. As Nathan Hale once said "Give me liberty or give me death". I choose liberty over any form of slavery of which socialism is one.

[DDBooger]

Quite right Billy under the auspices of capitalism the rest of the world was promised the freedom you speak of, yet it's been rebuked for socialist ideals, I don't say it cause I advocate it, I'm just not blind. Ah again with the age thing. Was told the same at 20, 25, 30 now I'm 32 so I guess I have to wait till I'm 40 till I understand :) haha

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by DDBooger
Quite right Billy under the auspices of capitalism the rest of the world was promised the freedom you speak of, yet it's been rebuked for socialist ideals, I don't say it cause I advocate it, I'm just not blind. Ah again with the age thing. Was told the same at 20, 25, 30 now I'm 32 so I guess I have to wait till I'm 40 till I understand :) haha

I think it takes a lot of experience and study to understand some of this and I am not sure which is more important. But I believe it is experience. Your understanding is fine and you reason well. But the longer I live the more history is important. I can see what is going on now and expect that what we have here could be the beginning of the end of American greatness if it is not curtailed. You cannot spend money you do not have. Yet our government has accelerated this at a huge rate which I find hypocritical since they hammered the last administration with the deficit spending. Since they know this and accept this it is apparent that their agenda is to make us beholden to them thru whatever means necessary and to put down this great country that I live in.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
I think it takes a lot of experience and study to understand some of this and I am not sure which is more important. But I believe it is experience. Your understanding is fine and you reason well. But the longer I live the more history is important. I can see what is going on now and expect that what we have here could be the beginning of the end of American greatness if it is not curtailed. You cannot spend money you do not have. Yet our government has accelerated this at a huge rate which I find hypocritical since they hammered the last administration with the deficit spending. Since they know this and accept this it is apparent that their agenda is to make us beholden to them thru whatever means necessary and to put down this great country that I live in. We agree on a lot of this ;) history is my first love, I too see patterns, but with less specificity. This country is increasingly being built on a house of cards. I excuse no one and our continuance to fall in two lines only benefits the madness. Unfortunately true change normally follows disaster, we've been steamrolling down this path for a while and the speed is gaining.

[XtremeCouture]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
That's a pretty cool trick how Limbaugh gets writers to answer questions in his voice on a live call in radio show.

lmao dude all he does is use talking points and most days he makes callers talk about a certain topic so he's prepared for it. when it's open line all he does is shout and hang up on the caller.

[BILLYFRED0000]

And how often do you listen to him. I do everyday and funny, I dont see it that way......

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by XtremeCouture
lmao dude all he does is use talking points and most days he makes callers talk about a certain topic so he's prepared for it. when it's open line all he does is shout and hang up on the caller.
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Have you listened to the show?
You write:
"when it's open line all he does is shout and hang up on the caller."
Really?
You haven't listened have you.:nerd: