Michael Jackson

[coach]

I dont see why ppl are so saddend about MJ. He molested children for crying out loud....i know he was the king of pop and all that bs but who cares this man or whatever you wanna call him slept with little kids...if anyone else would ave done this 90% of the ppl on this board would want him hung....i dont feel sorry for the guy one bit....

[Electus Unus]

I like black Michael.

White Michael not so much.

[pirate4state]

so why start a thread? :confused:

[TheDOCTORdre]

as far as Michael Jackson goes i have this lol
He Made Thriller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36sKMwbwfWc)

[Emerson1]

You know he was found not guilty.

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by coach
I dont see why ppl are so saddend about MJ. He molested children for crying out loud....i know he was the king of pop and all that bs but who cares this man or whatever you wanna call him slept with little kids...if anyone else would ave done this 90% of the ppl on this board would want him hung....i dont feel sorry for the guy one bit....

Was there ever any REAL proof??? If I had a child that was molested, I would NEVER have settled for any money, no matter the amount!!!

Even if I had lost in the long run, NO ONE would have come back and said I only did it for the money!!!

[DDBooger]

I don't believe the molestation charges, but I do think his relationship with children was inappropriate. He was a grown man pretending to be a child. Sad really.

[BreckTxLonghorn]

Originally posted by coach
I dont see why ppl are so saddend about MJ. He molested children for crying out loud....i know he was the king of pop and all that bs but who cares this man or whatever you wanna call him slept with little kids...if anyone else would ave done this 90% of the ppl on this board would want him hung....i dont feel sorry for the guy one bit....


How come you are so aghast that people are saddened? What if they believe in innocent until proven guilty? Is that so wrong?

To paraphrase the Nuge..."I don't care if you don't like it, but don't tell me I shouldn't." (He was talking about guns, but that's also pretty much his mantra over everything.)

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by DDBooger
I don't believe the molestation charges, but I do think his relationship with children was inappropriate. He was a grown man pretending to be a child. Sad really.
It is sad. There was obviously something mentally wrong with him. He lost his child hood to being a singer and it's alleged his dad beat him too.


Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Was there ever any REAL proof??? If I had a child that was molested, I would NEVER have settled for any money, no matter the amount!!!

Even if I had lost in the long run, NO ONE would have come back and said I only did it for the money!!!
I've read that people who followed the trial, by the end were mostly on the not guilty side.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Emerson1
It is sad. There was obviously something mentally wrong with him. He lost his child hood to being a singer and it's alleged his dad beat him too.


I've read that people who followed the trial, by the end were mostly on the not guilty side. You know, even in his son's death, Joe was selling his label to the world! Seriously, I think that was a great peek into him and Michael's relationship.

[Ranger Mom]

I didn't watch any of the memorial service...but just watched a clip of his daughter speaking.

You can love or hate MJ.....his daughter obviously loved him and that little speech was heartbreaking, IMO!!!

[eagles_victory]

He was one of the greatest performers and entertainers of all time. He was found not guilty as well I guess this thread just goes to show the way America looks at things today Guilty until proven innocent. To be honest none of us no what really happened so noone can pass a legit judgement on the situation.

[waterboy]

There's DEFINITELY a stigma attached to just being accused of child molestation, whether you're innocent or guilty. Once accused, you will never live it down either way. Honestly, I don't know whether he was guilty or not, but that doubt will always be there.

[coach]

so i guess we can say that barry bonds and all his records are perfect because he has nevr been proven guilty

[coach]

and what about oj simpson...does anyone really think he didnt kill those ppl?

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by coach
so i guess we can say that barry bonds and all his records are perfect because he has nevr been proven guilty
But BB has never been proven NOT guilty.

Michael Jackson was proven innocent of all charges.

MJ was guilty until proven innocent which is what most people look for these days

[Looking4number8]

I have to go with coach on this one. No way would I let any of my kids near the guy even though he was not convicted. I believe in innocent until proven guilty too but I would not be willing to bet my kids on it. Who all on here thinks OJ is innocent... he was proven not guilty too!

I feel sorry for the guy and and his family in his death as I would with any human but I will not miss him or his funky look all over the TV.

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by coach
so i guess we can say that barry bonds and all his records are perfect because he has nevr been proven guilty Barry Bonds has failed a drug test his claim is he never knowingly took steroids.

[BreckTxLonghorn]

Originally posted by coach
and what about oj simpson...does anyone really think he didnt kill those ppl?


Technically he was found guilty, just not criminally. He was found civilly liable in the wrongul death of his wife. He most likely would have been found guilty criminally had it not been for some HUGE mistakes by both investigators and prosecution.

[CHS_CG]

Originally posted by Looking4number8
I have to go with coach on this one. No way would I let any of my kids near the guy even though he was not convicted. I believe in innocent until proven guilty too but I would not be willing to bet my kids on it. Who all on here thinks OJ is innocent... he was proven not guilty too!

I feel sorry for the guy and and his family in his death as I would with any human but I will not miss him or his funky look all over the TV.

Funky look or not, he did a lot for music as we know it.

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by CHS_CG
Funky look or not, he did a lot for music as we know it.

I have to ask you this, given your post on day care centers....would you have let MJ "babysit" Taylor???

[CHS_CG]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I have to ask you this, given your post on day care centers....would you have let MJ "babysit" Taylor???

I wouldn't let half the people I know personally babysit Taylor.

[coach]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Barry Bonds has failed a drug test his claim is he never knowingly took steroids.

but wasnt that drug test he failed for cocaine? if not then thats a bad example...but i still dont see why ppl are acting like they are....the dude slept in the same bed with an 8 year old...and like i said his music was unbelievable but as a person why are ppl acting the way they are

[CHS_CG]

Originally posted by coach
and like i said his music was unbelievable but as a person why are ppl acting the way they are

I agree. As a person he did some very questionable things, as an artist and an entertainer he did a lot for music.

[Ranger Mom]

Is it weird that when my daughter had slumber parties, I slept with them??

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Is it weird that when my daughter had slumber parties, I slept with them??
I'll take your spot for her next one

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Emerson1
I'll take your spot for her next one

LOL!! I think she has outgrown those now!!

[bigwood33]

I was just telling the wife that I have come to believe that he never molested those boys but showed incredibly poor judgment. I think because of his sheltered upbringing that he was a very naive person and really could not comprehend how people would interpret his actions. I have also come to believe him very sad...tragic in fact. His incredible talent and fame made him a prisoner of his fame at a very early age and warped his perceptions. He should have been seeing a shrink since he was in his early 20's and maybe, just maybe, he would have not mutilated himself. We 'normal' people certainly cannot comprehend his life. He certainly was giant figure in music and pop culture.

[coach]

Originally posted by Emerson1
I'll take your spot for her next one

forget that i want the spot the little girl is in so i can say sweet dreams good night to rm:inlove:

[sinfan75]

Is he even buried yet? Somebody told me after the service instead headin straight to the cemetery the family had to stop and have lunch. This has to be the strangest period of mourning I've ever heard of and that includes Elvis.

[eagles_victory]

I am honestly surprised there was as big of a deal made of it as there was. I know in his time he was truly legendary and epic but when is the last time he was actually relevant it hasnt been in at least 10 years.

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by sinfan75
Is he even buried yet? Somebody told me after the service instead headin straight to the cemetery the family had to stop and have lunch. This has to be the strangest period of mourning I've ever heard of and that includes Elvis.

From what I heard he wasn't buried at Forest Lawn where most thought would be his final resting place.

I gotta wonder if the family isn't fighting to have him buried at Neverland!

I know it's against California ordinance, but they could cremate him and spread his ashes there.

I just read, due to all the testing they are doing, he was buried without his brain!!

No....this is no joke!!!

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by coach
I dont see why ppl are so saddend about MJ. He molested children for crying out loud....i know he was the king of pop and all that bs but who cares this man or whatever you wanna call him slept with little kids...if anyone else would ave done this 90% of the ppl on this board would want him hung....i dont feel sorry for the guy one bit....
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I understand why you might consider all this incredible coverage going way over the top and over-adulation. I watched some of the coverage today and saw "the Rev." Al Sharpton describe Michael Jackson much like the same way he would probably describe Martin Luther King(I think he gave MJ more credit than MLK). I have a problem with that myself. I believe that the way Sharpton described MJ as a great uniter and all did a huge disservice to one who really did that. Yes, MJ was an awesome talent and performer, but how did he actually do more than one of the greatest uniters of our country?
I grew up with Michael's music and loved it. His impact on me was only for the pleasure of music(and learning how to moonwalk as a teenager lol). It didn't bring me happiness. MLK gave millions and millions much more and imho had a much larger impact on all of us the MJ did.

[eagles_victory]

You hear all the celebrities coming out and other muscians talking about MJS impact I think it is one of those things where people are doing it just because its trendy not so much because he actually impacted them.

[TheDOCTORdre]

Chad Ochocinco said he took MJs death harder than 9/11...does that bother anyone else

[Electus Unus]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I have to ask you this, given your post on day care centers....would you have let MJ "babysit" Taylor??? Taylor is a girl....

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Electus Unus
Taylor is a girl....

Well...I know what the talk about his "preference" was....but would that matter??

[mustang04]

Originally posted by coach
I dont see why ppl are so saddend about MJ. He molested children for crying out loud....i know he was the king of pop and all that bs but who cares this man or whatever you wanna call him slept with little kids...if anyone else would ave done this 90% of the ppl on this board would want him hung....i dont feel sorry for the guy one bit....

and here, people, is what is wrong with this country

you did nothing just then cept' completely quote what the media fed you, you say he molested children with such confidence and hatred that it almost sounds like your willing to bet your soul on it....im sorry, but looking at it from a pyschological point of view, I can honestly see why he wanted to spend time with kids, he was pretty much wronged by everyone in his family, never had a childhood, fought skin disorders and skin cancer (reasons why he bleached the rest of his skin white) and for the fact you dont feel sorry one bit, that says alot about the kind of person you are....i'm sorry but i think michael was probably a more kind and understanding person than you'll ever be

[mustang04]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
Chad Ochocinco said he took MJs death harder than 9/11...does that bother anyone else

wellllll...not really...i think it depends on how you look at it

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by mustang04
wellllll...not really...i think it depends on how you look at it

how do you look at it

[mustang04]

well...i didnt grow up with MJ as an idol like ocho-cinco did....but i know that if Arnold Schwarzenegger died today i'd be more sad than when i was on 9/11 just cuz he was my all-time childhood hero....yes i think its terrible than many ppl died, but it was so impersonal to me, yes they were fellow americans but it obviously didnt hit you or me as hard as it hit new yorkers.....it just depends on how much that person meant to you....

[mustang04]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
when is the last time he was actually relevant it hasnt been in at least 10 years.

so according to you.....as soon as someone is done with being "relevant" then their legend pretty much ends too??

:rolleyes:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by mustang04
well...i didnt grow up with MJ as an idol like ocho-cinco did....but i know that if Arnold Schwarzenegger died today i'd be more sad than when i was on 9/11 just cuz he was my all-time childhood hero....yes i think its terrible than many ppl died, but it was so impersonal to me, yes they were fellow americans but it obviously didnt hit you or me as hard as it hit new yorkers.....it just depends on how much that person meant to you.... oh crap, you're gonna be called a terrorist, socialist and appeaser! LOL :rolleyes: :D

[mustang04]

Originally posted by DDBooger
oh crap, you're gonna be called a terrorist, socialist and appeaser! LOL :rolleyes: :D

no kidding lol

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by mustang04
well...i didnt grow up with MJ as an idol like ocho-cinco did....but i know that if Arnold Schwarzenegger died today i'd be more sad than when i was on 9/11 just cuz he was my all-time childhood hero....yes i think its terrible than many ppl died, but it was so impersonal to me, yes they were fellow americans but it obviously didnt hit you or me as hard as it hit new yorkers.....it just depends on how much that person meant to you....
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911 hit the country pretty hard. The last time we were hit that hard on our own soil we fought Japan and invented the nuclear bomb. Apples and oranges my friend.:D You would be personally more sad yes for the Governator dying, but 911 and Arnold and MJ dying shouldn't be even in the same realm of discussion. This is not relative...

[mustang04]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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911 hit the country pretty hard. The last time we were hit that hard on our own soil we fought Japan and invented the nuclear bomb. Apples and oranges my friend.:D You would be personally more sad yes for the Governator dying, but 911 and Arnold and MJ dying shouldn't be even in the same realm of discussion. This is not relative...

if you didn't understand my response i apologize...i said arnold because he would be to me like MJ was to ocho-cinco, in the fact that I would be more saddened by their death than by how sad i was on 9/11....and they are in the same realm of discussion because obviously it was brought up in discussion

and technically we werent hit on our own soil at the beginning of world war 2...Hawaii wasn't a U.S. state at that time

[TheDOCTORdre]

we idolize people too much

[mustang04]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
we idolize people too much

i agree...but we also take news for gospel too much (coach)

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by mustang04
if you didn't understand my response i apologize...i said arnold because he would be to me like MJ was to ocho-cinco, in the fact that I would be more saddened by their death than by how sad i was on 9/11....and they are in the same realm of discussion because obviously it was brought up in discussion

and technically we werent hit on our own soil at the beginning of world war 2...Hawaii wasn't a U.S. state at that time
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No apology needed.
Seriously, if someone needs to change their name to "85" in broken Spanish for attention then they don't need anyone to take them seriously.:D ;)
Technically we loved pineapple back then too.:inlove:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Seriously, if someone needs to change their name to "85" in broken Spanish for attention then they don't need anyone to take them seriously.:D ;)
:clap: precisely.

and cold pineapple would go off right now

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by mustang04
i agree...but we also take news for gospel too much (coach)

the news blows...actually i don know whats worse the way the news portrays things or the fact the the majority of the public believes everthing they hear

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
:clap: precisely.

and cold pineapple would go off right now
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Pineapple gives you gas!:eek: :nerd: :D

[mustang04]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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No apology needed.
Seriously, if someone needs to change their name to "85" in broken Spanish for attention then they don't need anyone to take them seriously.:D ;)
Technically we loved pineapple back then too.:inlove: well i agree about chad johnson...i think that was a pretty dumb thing to do on his part

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Pineapple gives you gas!:eek: :nerd: :D
pineapple also has some other side effects so ive heard

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by mustang04
well i agree about chad johnson...i think that was a pretty dumb thing to do on his part
speaking of chad did ya'll see where he came out and said he was going to tweet during games this season

[mustang04]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
the news blows...actually i don know whats worse the way the news portrays things or the fact the the majority of the public believes everthing they hear

i think the fact that the majority believes everything they hear.....it's pretty pathetic if ya ask me

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
pineapple also has some other side effects so ive heard
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That's pineapple juice.;) :D

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by mustang04
i think the fact that the majority believes everything they hear.....it's pretty pathetic if ya ask me and then regurgitate it for fact without even really knowing what they're saying!

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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That's pineapple juice.;) :D
oh ya my bad

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by mustang04
i think the fact that the majority believes everything they hear.....it's pretty pathetic if ya ask me

I'm right the opposite...I don't believe anything anymore!!!

I do more "research" now than I did when I was in school!!!

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
speaking of chad did ya'll see where he came out and said he was going to tweet during games this season lol, I thought Denzel settled him down

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by DDBooger
lol, I thought Denzel settled him down
back to the drawing board for coach boone

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I'm right the opposite...I don't believe anything anymore!!!

I do more "research" now than I did when I was in school!!!

thats good!

I mean...i can tell ppl who actually try to think critically about things going on in the world, instead of pretty much just quoting what they heard on the news.....I'd rather hear what someone thinks about something rather than them be a walkin news channel

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I'm right the opposite...I don't believe anything anymore!!!

I do more "research" now than I did when I was in school!!!
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:clap: :clap: :clap:
It is tough to live in the "Greatest Misinformation Time" of all history.
:( :( :(
Don't get me wrong, I love the internet but the stuff that's out there is pretty wack. Now the stuff my kids learn in school is even worse.:doh:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Now the stuff my kids learn in school is even worse.:doh:
lol standardized testing and learning to take standardized testing isn't learning is it! :D

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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:clap: :clap: :clap:
It is tough to live in the "Greatest Misinformation Time" of all history.
:( :( :(
Don't get me wrong, I love the internet but the stuff that's out there is pretty wack. Now the stuff my kids learn in school is even worse.:doh:

I know...that is why I search and search and search for things!!!!

Looking for reliable sources, etc.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
lol standardized testing and learning to take standardized testing isn't learning is it! :D
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Nothing wrong with a test to see where your child stands among his peers but I wasn't talking about that.
:kiss:

[SintonFan]

*cough cough*
MJ?

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I know...that is why I search and search and search for things!!!!

Looking for reliable sources, etc. look for 1st hand information or reports that cite what they report so you can follow the trail. The information age we live in, it is more important to report the news in a title than in substance! SintonFan is right, the manufacturing of consent by news/media/web etc is vast!!! That being said, the internet is one effective way to circumnavigate the gate keepers of info control (i.e. Iran).

[Ranger Mom]

I wonder what MJ thought about standardized testing and the computer age???

:thinking: :thinking: :thinking:




Just trying to get this thread back on track!:)

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Nothing wrong with a test to see where your child stands among his peers but I wasn't talking about that.
:kiss: actually, there is when learning centers around it. Complex and critical thinking is suppressed! I see it every day, it's astounding. Students can't put together an essay yet made all A's in HS

[PPHSfan]

Guilty or not, Michael DID have a blow up doll of a Boy Scout. Now it may have been innocent, but if I had a blow up doll of a naked woman in my house, people would assume I was having sex with it. And they would be right.:D

[ssgmp5150]

I just can't stand how the media has portrayed him as some kind of a hero! This man may have been acquitted for child molestation charges in one trial, but settled out of court on another case for millions, and he slept with children in his bed all the time! If it looks like crap and smells like crap, then it probably is crap! I mean, O.J. Simpson was acquitted of murder, but that doesn't mean he didn't do it! If you have money in America, then the criminal justice system is simply your puppet to play with! With enough money, most anyone can win a court case, simply because the jurors that are selected in most cases are idiots! There is only one reason a reasonable person will serve jury duty.....Patriotism! All others are just plain too stupid to get out of it! The jurors that these lawyers agree upon to serve on a criminal trial are the bottom of the barrel in most cases. They are the left wing liberals with bleeding hearts that have absolutely no common sense whatsoever! They intentionally select people who can simply ignore the facts and can have doubt casted into ther minds easily! So, to say that Michael Jackson was acquited, so he must be innocent, is a bunch of bullcrap! People are putting him on a pedestal and worshipping him as some kind of iconic legend and placing him as a "hero!" He is the last person I would want my children to look up to and try to emulate! The real hero's are our men and women serving in uniform, our police and firefighter's, our teachers and coaches, etc....Those are the people I want my children to emulate and idolize! Don't get me wrong....The man was without a doubt probably the greatest "entertainer" ever! However, that does not mean he should be recognized as a hero or legend that deserves all this attention! Our children are safer now that he is gone and he has had to answer for his sins!

[TheDOCTORdre]

If parents would step up today(in general not, I'm not pointing out anyone) then our children would not have to look farther than their own homes for their heroes. I am proud to say my parents are my heroes.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
actually, there is when learning centers around it. Complex and critical thinking is suppressed! I see it every day, it's astounding. Students can't put together an essay yet made all A's in HS
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The teaching to the test is a travesty.
I think the idea behind no-child is a good one but the results have been disastrous. We should have some mechanism that holds schools responsible for the education they provide or the lack thereof.
What happened to the CAT test?

[waterboy]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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The teaching to the test is a travesty.
I think the idea behind no-child is a good one but the results have been disastrous. We should have some mechanism that holds schools responsible for the education they provide or the lack thereof.
What happened to the CAT test?
That would be fine IF the schools WERE responsible for a child "left behind". The biggest part of the blame is on the PARENTS and THE SYSTEM (government intervention). Teachers' hands are tied on what intervention plans can be used to help the kids learn. Discipline is the biggest one thing that is causing failures, and in most schools, the student can't be disciplined, the way they should be, at school. That leaves the parent responsible for the discipline, and some (I dare say the majority) of parents just don't GET it. As long as this is the case, our education system will continue on a downward spiral. It's definitely a "cop-out" to blame teachers, at least for the most part, in my opinion.

[AP Panther Fan]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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I understand why you might consider all this incredible coverage going way over the top and over-adulation. I watched some of the coverage today and saw "the Rev." Al Sharpton describe Michael Jackson much like the same way he would probably describe Martin Luther King(I think he gave MJ more credit than MLK). I have a problem with that myself. I believe that the way Sharpton described MJ as a great uniter and all did a huge disservice to one who really did that. Yes, MJ was an awesome talent and performer, but how did he actually do more than one of the greatest uniters of our country?
I grew up with Michael's music and loved it. His impact on me was only for the pleasure of music(and learning how to moonwalk as a teenager lol). It didn't bring me happiness. MLK gave millions and millions much more and imho had a much larger impact on all of us the MJ did.


Surprisingly enough, I don't have an opinion about Michael Jackson, good, bad or otherwise.

I do, however, have an opinion about Al Sharpton - He's an idiot!:)

[ssgmp5150]

Amen!!!!


Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
Surprisingly enough, I don't have an opinion about Michael Jackson, good, bad or otherwise.

I do, however, have an opinion about Al Sharpton - He's an idiot!:)

[piratebg]

Why can't this issues just die already? Every channel is still MJ MJ MJ...:mad:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by piratebg
Why can't this issues just die already? Every channel is still MJ MJ MJ...:mad:

It will go on til they find the cause of death....til the kids go through all the custody crap....til people are prosecuted (if it comes to that).....till F-O-R-E-V-E-R!!!

:doh:

[pirate4state]

but it doesn't have to on HERE. PLEASE

[Phil C]

He has been burried in a secret place. Look for the Globe or some other type magazine to find it.