One of These Days....(North Korea)

[Bullaholic]

One of these days soon there is going to be an incident between the U.S. military and a North Korean ship, sub, border guard, or plane. Not hoping---just reading the "wind"...

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/

[sinton66]

That rickety North Korean ship could "develop a leak" somewhere out in the middle of the Pacific.:D

[Old Dog]

I do think North Korea is fanatical enough to fire first and ask questions "after the fact". China needs to sit on it's little crazy neighbor before they drag us all into a conflict no one can win.

[sinfan75]

All I know is when NK loads that rocket onto that launch pad, somebody needs to give the OK to fly over that launch pad and take it out before lift-off. Just my 2 cents. To hell with missile defense. We need missile offense. Non-nuke of course.

[sinton66]

I agree, the BEST defense is a swift and decisive offense. If the US waits for the UN to decide, we're all in big trouble.

[zebrablue2]

Originally posted by Old Dog
I do think North Korea is fanatical enough to fire first and ask questions "after the fact". China needs to sit on it's little crazy neighbor before they drag us all into a conflict no one can win.


:iagree:

[mac77]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
One of these days soon there is going to be an incident between the U.S. military and a North Korean ship, sub, border guard, or plane. Not hoping---just reading the "wind"...

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/

What do you mean "one of these days?" They happen all the time you just do not hear about them. I spent 22 months in the ROK and we had at least three shooting incidents at the border during that time. Granted that was in the 1980's but I'd bet they still happen.

[turbostud]

I say let the Israeli's handle it. They never have a problem with kicking butt.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by turbostud
I say let the Israeli's handle it. They never have a problem with kicking butt.
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lol
That's kinda far for the Israelis.:D

[PPHSfan]

I think we should paint a picture of Slim Pickins on one of our ICBM's that was put in the ground beneath Iowa back in the late 70's and fly it over into Doo Doo's front yard. Just to show him how one works.

[BEAST]

Unfortunately, with this President, we will send some bs gifts and try to be diplomatic.




BEAST

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by BEAST
Unfortunately, with this President, we will send some bs gifts and try to be diplomatic.




BEAST Which would be no different then any president before him! :rolleyes:

pay attention to history before you make a stupid political statement. As a matter of fact, tailing that boat out of North Korea which will run out of gas in the next day leading to a unavoidable confrontation in some port is about the strongest international leaning we've put on them.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by BEAST
Unfortunately, with this President, we will send some bs gifts and try to be diplomatic.




BEAST

So what should we do? This is not some little country we can send a few planes at and scare with our Big Boom Bombs. You dont chest thump with a nation that truly has no qualms with going to war and killing millions of their own just to look good.

If we go to war with NK then it is total war and we really dont want that at this point in time. EVERY President since the Korean War tries diplomacy with them because once we commit to a war with them this time it has to be till one country is not left.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by DDBooger
Which would be no different then any president before him! :rolleyes:

pay attention to history before you make a stupid political statement. As a matter of fact, tailing that boat out of North Korea which will run out of gas in the next day leading to a unavoidable confrontation in some port is about the strongest international leaning we've put on them.

Lets pay attention to history and put a missle in Kim Jong-iL's palace. Maybe he will disappear from the scene like poster boy terrorist Ghadafi. Since Reagan air strike back in 1986 he has been pretty much silent. Also, with regard to history there is nothing to match this president with other than Karl Marx.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
Lets pay attention to history and put a missle in Kim Jong-iL's palace. Maybe he will disappear from the scene like poster boy terrorist Ghadafi. Since Reagan air strike back in 1986 he has been pretty much silent. and he wasn't sitting on a border with over 30k American troops, millions of innocent south korean civies under what would be a torrential artillery barrage that would likely match the Iraq war casualties in weeks. Smart there ;) but typical "gut instinct" talk!


Originally posted by BleedOrange
Also, with regard to history there is nothing to match this president with other than Karl Marx. lmao yet you've probably never read him, yet castigate and cast aspersions about a man who by saving corporations rather than the "proletariat" is doing quite the opposite of it's tenets. If anything, a unique American socialism, save the rich! lol

quite watching FoxNews! :rolleyes:

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
Lets pay attention to history and put a missle in Kim Jong-iL's palace. Maybe he will disappear from the scene like poster boy terrorist Ghadafi. Since Reagan air strike back in 1986 he has been pretty much silent. Also, with regard to history there is nothing to match this president with other than Karl Marx.

NK is not Libya..nowhere close..first off NK has fought us( yes I know in the 50's) but they fought us to a stalemate, so in their mind they are not afraid of us.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
NK is not Libya..nowhere close..first off NK has fought us( yes I know in the 50's) but they fought us to a stalemate, so in their mind they are not afraid of us. They're hard chargers, no doubt they'd put up a hell of a fight. ROK troops are also renowned for their toughness. Unknown to a lot of people, they were ferocious in Vietnam.

I think if China is unable to reign in their black sheep son, we put all options on the table INCLUDING rearming the Japanese if they were to ammend their constitution to allow for a larger military! The Chinese would hate it, but it would certainly be justifiable under the circumstances.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
Also, with regard to history there is nothing to match this president with other than Karl Marx.


Prove that..look I am not an Obama fan, but come on that kinda talk is baseless

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Prove that..look I am not an Obama fan, but come on that kinda talk is baseless

Not baseless look at his educational background and those who influenced his life and his current policies. His ramrod agenda is filled with socialist ideals. Take from those who produce the most and give to those who don't. He just took control of an automaker and force theme to give major control to the union in contradiction of existing law. He wants to limit wages to executives. More gov't control equals less individual freedoms, thus reliance on the Gov't which is what they want. There is the probosed Gov't Healthcare plan which is frightening at best.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
Not baseless look at his educational background and those who influenced his life and his current policies. Paranoia


Originally posted by BleedOrange
His ramrod agenda is filled with socialist ideals. Take from those who produce the most and give to those who don't. Yet he didn't repeal Bush's tax cuts and is essentially taking taxing your health benefits off the table


Originally posted by BleedOrange
He just took control of an automaker and force theme to give major control to the union in contradiction of existing law. To save those people's livelihood and more political than ideological, the midwest will remember the effort rather than the condemnation come election time. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it is what it is.


Originally posted by BleedOrange
He wants to limit wages to executives. actually, that was the one big criticism about his new legislation to regulate wall street, no teeth on that matter, in fact nothing at all


Originally posted by BleedOrange
More gov't control equals less individual freedoms, thus on the Gov't which is what they want. not entirely, under public control it belongs to the people and is for them to vote on to do with as they please, IDEALLY! Under corporate control, you have NO SAY how something operates because it is protected by corporate law that views the corporation as a "living person" thus what is best for them not the populace. Perhaps the Free Market should legislate, but we all know that isn't exploited! :rolleyes:


Originally posted by BleedOrange
There is the probosed Gov't Healthcare plan which is frightening at best. yeah, and so is the notion that insurance companies will get what they want irrespective to what people want due to them owning legislators on both sides of the aisle!

[BleedOrange]

DDBooger

No paranoia. Assertion is supported by his actions to date.

With regard to the Bush tax cuts he will let them expire. He does not need to repeal. The tax burden will go up if he gets his way through increased SS taxes, increased income taxes, "hidden taxes", etc.

The automaker situation will not get better long term. They will be forced to make vehicles nobody wants. The problem is the Unions and their inflexibility with regard to concessions. Now that unions control things will not improve over the long haul as our production costs are significantly higher than that of the foreign competition. In addition, with anticipated increase of corporate taxes the problem worsens for the domestic auto industry.

With regard "public control" you mean "Gov't control" which is socialism. The free market has an amazing way of keeping corporations in control (also know as competition). Its the gov't intervention that creates problems (i.e. current housing/mortgage/financial sector crisis).

With regard to the insurance companies talk about paranoia. They are more regulated than any sector of the economy.

:rolleyes:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
DDBooger

No paranoia. Assertion is supported by his actions to date. which are? Did he force you into Sharia law? lmao


Originally posted by BleedOrange
With regard to the Bush tax cuts he will let them expire. He does not need to repeal. essentially letting them return to a time prior not anything legislated by him


Originally posted by BleedOrange
The tax burden will go up if he gets his way through increased SS taxes, increased income taxes, "hidden taxes", etc. entirely speculative, and likely won't have to after the Bush tax cuts expire.




Originally posted by BleedOrange
The automaker situation will not get better long term. They will be forced to make vehicles nobody wants. again, speculative


Originally posted by BleedOrange
The problem is the Unions and their inflexibility with regard to concessions. Now that unions control things will not improve over the long haul as our production costs are significantly higher than that of the foreign competition. In addition, with anticipated increase of corporate taxes the problem worsens for the domestic auto industry. lol who feeds you this. Yes foreign competition does better, they don't worry about paying for the same amount of health insurance premiums that Americans have to pay, you castigate Universal Healthcare as socialism, yet it is primarily the reason that foreign automakers are able to produce cheaper vehicles. The anticipated increase which is to come later and provided we have a public option in place and streamlined vehicles to what the public wants, not forcefed huge gas guzzlers that the MANAGERS pushed, not labor, I presume it offsets


Originally posted by BleedOrange
With regard "public control" you mean "Gov't control" which is socialism. The free market has an amazing way of keeping corporations in control (also know as competition). lol which they seek to stifle and do so rather well! The free market is so manipulated that is absurd!



Originally posted by BleedOrange
Its the gov't intervention that creates problems (i.e. current housing/mortgage/financial sector crisis). lmao which you completely ignore the private sector's role in it and their irresponsibility! How convenient


Originally posted by BleedOrange
With regard to the insurance companies talk about paranoia. They are more regulated than any sector of the economy.
:rolleyes: Yeah I can tell, they are struggling! lmao Regulated my tail, they are regulated only to the benefit of the largest benefactors of said regulation that maintains a steady stream of income which is unchallenged! Not paranoia, perhaps instead of pundit driven drivel you type you should do some research! ;)

[Bullaholic]

A message needs to be sent directly, not thru the normal diplomatic channels, to the N. Korean leadership that if they continue to attempt to try to produce nuclear weapons with which to threaten the world, that the civilized world will act unilaterally to destroy such capability before it becomes reality, regardless of any counter-threats made. The message should be short and devoid of the usual diplomatic rhetoric. If the media asks if such a threat was made---the one-word answer should be "Yes- any more questions?"

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
A message needs to be sent directly, not thru the normal diplomatic channels, to the N. Korean leadership that if they continue to attempt to try to produce nuclear weapons with which to threaten the world, that the civilized world will act unilaterally to destroy such capability before it becomes reality, regardless of any counter-threats made. The message should be short and devoid of the usual diplomatic rhetoric. If the media asks if such a threat was made---the one-word answer should be "Yes- any more questions?" Yeah, their previous actions suggest they'd react as any other country would to said threat. They'd simply fire off more missiles and laugh. It is their unpredictability that makes them so difficult to deal with. Their nation is so opaque we have little clue to how things work in their society, power structures, exploitable avenues. This is definitely a situation that the world would have to act multi-laterally (uni is going at it alone :p ) . I think China was humiliated that NK acted despite their stance on them to dial it back. It makes them look politically weak. IT would be similar to U.S. decreeing to Israel a stance and they doing something to spite that.

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by DDBooger
to act multi-laterally (uni is going at it alone :p )

The useage is correct when referring to the world community as 1 singular entity, DD.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
The useage is correct when referring to the world community as 1 singular entity, DD. perhaps grammatically, but I've never heard that geo-politically. But, I may be wrong ;)

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by DDBooger
which are? Did he force you into Sharia law? lmao

essentially letting them return to a time prior not anything legislated by him

entirely speculative, and likely won't have to after the Bush tax cuts expire.



again, speculative

lol who feeds you this. Yes foreign competition does better, they don't worry about paying for the same amount of health insurance premiums that Americans have to pay, you castigate Universal Healthcare as socialism, yet it is primarily the reason that foreign automakers are able to produce cheaper vehicles. The anticipated increase which is to come later and provided we have a public option in place and streamlined vehicles to what the public wants, not forcefed huge gas guzzlers that the MANAGERS pushed, not labor, I presume it offsets

lol which they seek to stifle and do so rather well! The free market is so manipulated that is absurd!


lmao which you completely ignore the private sector's role in it and their irresponsibility! How convenient

Yeah I can tell, they are struggling! lmao Regulated my tail, they are regulated only to the benefit of the largest benefactors of said regulation that maintains a steady stream of income which is unchallenged! Not paranoia, perhaps instead of pundit driven drivel you type you should do some research! ;)


Do you know anything about regulations imposed upon insurance companies?? I didn't think so.

With regard to your assertions of speculation he has stated he wants increases in all those items I referenced. I am not sure how that is speculation. With his irresponsible budget/legislative proposals it will lead to increased taxes and destruction of the best healthcare system in the world.

I see you like to use LOL and LMAO all I can say is you are definitely cracking me up with the ridiculous assertion that the reason we cannot compete in the auto industry is because of healthcare premiums. By the way who do you think is going to pay for the proposed system. I know you can figure this out if your try real hard.

By the way noone "feeds" me this stuff . It is called cogitative anlaysis of the issues.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
Do you know anything about regulations imposed upon insurance companies?? I didn't think so.

With regard to your assertions of speculation he has stated he wants increases in all those items I referenced. I am not sure how that is speculation. With his irresponsible budget/legislative proposals it will lead to increased taxes and destruction of the best healthcare system in the world.

I see you like to use LOL and LMAO all I can say is you are definitely cracking me up with the ridiculous assertion that the reason we cannot compete in the auto industry is because of healthcare premiums. By the way who do you think is going to pay for the proposed system. I know you can figure this out if your try real hard.

By the way noone "feeds" me this stuff . It is called cogitative anlaysis of the issues.
in your case I'd call it self imposed cognitive dissonance! haha yeah I use those, cause you simply type talking points and rhetoric! Simple enough. Either way, I'm going back to the topic at hand, if I wanted to listen to FoxNews, I'd watch it! ;)

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by DDBooger
in your case I'd call it self imposed cognitive dissonance! haha yeah I use those, cause you simply type talking points and rhetoric! Simple enough. Either way, I'm going back to the topic at hand, if I wanted to listen to FoxNews, I'd watch it! ;)

No talking points just facts. Nothing factual from your end. Has nothing to do with Fox News just an obvious difference in philosophy. You really need to take a deep breath, calm down and look at the facts. It is amazing what you can learn. Might I suggest start with taking a look at the proposed legislation instead of listening to the media. I have and would guess that you will be shocked. I appreciate the discourse and will just leave it with we can agree to disagree. Have a good day.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
No talking points just facts. Nothing factual from your end. Has nothing to do with Fox News just an obvious difference in philosophy. You really need to take a deep breath, calm down and look at the facts. It is amazing what you can learn. Might I suggest start with taking a look at the proposed legislation instead of listening to the media. I have and would guess that you will be shocked. I appreciate the discourse and will just leave it with we can agree to disagree. Have a good day. I've looked at the facts as well, I take no sides on the matter, imo both parties have done nothing to alleviate the problem and simply take turns ruining things. You take a slant with facts you are laying out there yet leaving out a whole other set. The Govt is to blame for a lot of things, but it is to no surprise the many times it is due to the interchangeability of public head to private head that occurs and maintains the status quo! Many of the things you say are talking points and rhetoric, and facts only to the extent that they aren't making entirely false assertions but leaving out the rest of the story which abdicates one side from the blame game! I'd say perhaps you should cut free your obvious right leaning bias and step out of the box. I may be liberal, but I'm hardly a democrat anymore, and I am certainly not defending Obama as much as you are just attacking him!

we'll just have to agree to disagree as you said :)

[BuckeyeNut]

Wow how about them Cowboys:D :D

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Black Flag
Wow how about them Cowboys:D :D
According to Farmersfan, this is all Tony Romo's fault!


:D j/k ff

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by DDBooger
I've looked at the facts as well, I take no sides on the matter, imo both parties have done nothing to alleviate the problem and simply take turns ruining things. You take a slant with facts you are laying out there yet leaving out a whole other set. The Govt is to blame for a lot of things, but it is to no surprise the many times it is due to the interchangeability of public head to private head that occurs and maintains the status quo! Many of the things you say are talking points and rhetoric, and facts only to the extent that they aren't making entirely false assertions but leaving out the rest of the story which abdicates one side from the blame game! I'd say perhaps you should cut free your obvious right leaning bias and step out of the box. I may be liberal, but I'm hardly a democrat anymore, and I am certainly not defending Obama as much as you are just attacking him!

we'll just have to agree to disagree as you said :)

Again not talking points just good analysis. They are called talking points only when the left doesn't like the nature of it. I love the "talking points" defense mechanism of the left. If you want to give me some legitimate facts from "the other set" please share. I am definitely conservative. If that is what your reference to "right" is then I am guilty as charged and have no desire to step out of the box. Conservative values are what this country was founded on and I will stick with them.

[sinton66]

Well, this certainly got "off track" in a hurry.