Schools that used to be 3A

[Bull Butter]

Since 1980, when the 3rd largest classification(us) became AAA

Lots of them out there. Most are 2A now. This is only Region 4...........

Refugio
Bishop
Odem
Kenedy
Karnes City
George West
San Diego
Freer
Hebbronville
Benavides (now 1A)
Valley View
Taft
Jourdanton (has bounced back & forth between 2A and 3A)
Premont
Sharyland (now 5A)
La Joya (now 3 schools.... 1 5A and 2 4A)
Los Fresnos (now 5A)
Cotulla
Hallettsville
Floresville
SA Cole
Smithson Valley (now 5A)
SA Southside
Rice Consolidated
Boerne
SA Randolph
Santa Rosa
Van Vleck
Rockport-Fulton
Medina Valley

I understand that very soon Falfurrias and Lyford will join that list:thinking:

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Bull Butter

I understand that very soon Falfurrias and Lyford will join that list:thinking: Seriously? wow

[Bull Butter]

I've heard that Fal & Lyford's enrollments are both in the low 400's

[TexasHSFB]

Originally posted by Bull Butter
I've heard that Fal & Lyford's enrollments are both in the low 400's I think Wharton and Royal's enrollments are in the 400's as well.

[tigerfan09]

If Wharton had a few more kids, they would be 4A. They actually used to be 4A up until about 10 years ago or so.

[waterboy]

Add Daingerfield, Jefferson, White Oak, and Sabine to that list. They were 3A schools that dropped down to 2A.

[I. B. Watching]

That's interesting. But how about the number of 4A and 5A schools that are now 3A? Didn't West Orange-Stark used to be 5A in the early 1980s? Jasper was a 4A power for a number of years. I'm sure there are many others.

[trojan37]

Southlake Carroll was also 3A in the 80's, and look at them now.

[Texasfootball2]

Originally posted by Bull Butter
Since 1980, when the 3rd largest classification(us) became AAA

Lots of them out there. Most are 2A now. This is only Region 4...........

Refugio
Bishop
Odem
Kenedy
Karnes City
George West
San Diego
Freer
Hebbronville
Benavides (now 1A)
Valley View
Taft
Jourdanton (has bounced back & forth between 2A and 3A)
Premont
Sharyland (now 5A)
La Joya (now 3 schools.... 1 5A and 2 4A)
Los Fresnos (now 5A)
Cotulla
Hallettsville
Floresville
SA Cole
Smithson Valley (now 5A)
SA Southside
Rice Consolidated
Boerne
SA Randolph
Santa Rosa
Van Vleck
Rockport-Fulton
Medina Valley

I understand that very soon Falfurrias and Lyford will join that list:thinking: But one is for sure "Wylie" will never be on this list!:D :2thumbsup

[waterboy]

Originally posted by Texasfootball2
But one is for sure "Wylie" will never be on this list!:D :2thumbsup
Everybody knows that!:D 4A always starts where Wylie's enrollment ends +1!:doh: ;)

[87 TIGER]

hutto,marlin, manor, rosebud-lott, pflugerville, elgin

[rhs78]

Originally posted by TexasHSFB
I think Wharton and Royal's enrollments are in the 400's as well.
Wharton last time was 641, BR was 476. I doubt Wharton goes anywhere, BR might move down.

[44INAROW]

Originally posted by trojan37
Southlake Carroll was also 3A in the 80's, and look at them now.
They were still 3A in 1993 - they jumped up quick :eek:

[zebrablue2]

Hempstead..

[87 TIGER]

cameron and Rockdale could be on the verge of moving down. Cameron was close in the last allignment

[LHSEagleFan]

Luling will be 2A after next realignment unless there is a drastic change, enrollment now around 388

[tigerfan09]

Originally posted by 87 TIGER
cameron and Rockdale could be on the verge of moving down. Cameron was close in the last allignment

Cameron has been on the verge of moving down for many years, even back when I was in high school there in the mid-1990s. I've always been hoping this would happen so Cameron could totally dominate in Class 2A.

[Reds fan]

Katy...

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Reds fan
Katy...

Both Katy and Aldine Eisenhower are two of the few schools that have never been 4A. They were both 3A in 1979 and moved up to 5A in 1980 when they shifted the classifications

The quickest move up from lowest to highest classification was by Alief Hastings.

1967-1969 Class B
1970-1971 1A
1972-1973 2A
1974-1975 3A
1976-present Largest Classification

[WOS87]

I need to work on these again and finish up Regions II and IV

3A Class Seniority

What you have below are the 43 schools aligned to 3A Region I and the 44 schools aligned to 3A Region III for 2008 ranked in descending order by total years competing in the largest existing classification down. (e.g. the 4 schools to have spent time competing in the largest classification are listed first, followed by the 20 schools who have spent time in the 2nd largest classification, etc.). I plan to do the remaining 3A regions and will add them in to this post eventually, but it's pretty tedious work putting these together and takes time. The columns from left to right indicate:

Rank - the rank for the region of schools who have competed the most seasons in the largest existing classification. Ties were broken by total number of wins in the largest class.

Dist - the district in which the school in question will compete in the 2008 season

School - the team in question.

Class - due to the shift in the naming of the 5 classifications in 1980 the largest classification has been both 4A (prior to 1980) and 5A (since 1980). Since Class 4A in the 1970's and earlier and Class 5A in the 1980's and later are equivalent, the records of those periods were combined:
The Largest existing classification is indicated by 5A/4A
The 2nd largest by 4A/3A
The 3rd largest by 3A/2A
The 2nd smallest by 2A/1A
The smallest by 1A/B

Yrs - the total number of seasons competing in varsity district play in each of the classifications listed going back either to the beginning of the program or back to 1951 for the older schools. The maximum number is 57 years (1951-2007)

W/L/T/Win % - the total wins/losses/ties and winning percentage logged by each team while competing in each of the classifications.

Seasons competing - the range of years during which each school was aligned to each of the classifications.

Class 3A Region I Seniority

3 Region I schools have spent time competing in the largest existing classification and 26 schools have spent time in the 2nd largest existing classification. Decatur, West and Dalhart are the only Region I programs to have spent all 57 seasons since the development of the 5 classification system competing in the 3rd largest class.

http://idisk.mac.com/cboehme69-Public/stats/3a/3a1seniority.gif


Class 3A Region II Seniority

**Under Construction**


Class 3A Region III Seniority

4 Region III schools have spent time competing in the largest existing classification and 24 schools have spent time in the 2nd largest existing classification. Caldwell is the only Region III program to have spent all 57 seasons since the development of the 5 classification system competing in the 3rd largest class.

http://idisk.mac.com/cboehme69-Public/stats/3a/3a3seniority.gif

Class 3A Region IV Seniority

**Under Construction**

[Bull Butter]

Originally posted by WOS87
Both Katy and Aldine Eisenhower are two of the few schools that have never been 4A. They were both 3A in 1979 and moved up to 5A in 1980 when they shifted the classifications

The quickest move up from lowest to highest classification was by Alief Hastings.

1967-1969 Class B
1970-1971 1A
1972-1973 2A
1974-1975 3A
1976-present Largest Classification

Judson moved up almost as quickly.............

1962-63 Class B
1964-67 Class A
1968-71 Class 2A
1972-73 Class 3A
1974--- present largest classification

[lakers]

I can think of Clyde, Ballinger, Merkel, Comanche, and Eastland... And I think Brady. All now 2A.

[bigwood33]

Here are enrollment numbers for the current alignment.

CONFERENCE 3A
2008-10 OFFICIAL FOOTBALL AND
2008-09 OFFICIAL BASKETBALL DISTRICT ALIGNMENT
* Plays basketball only
(Right Column Lists Official Enrollment Numbers)
1
District Enr.
Borger 777
Dalhart 443.5
Levelland 824
Lubbock Cooper 709
Lubbock Estacado 928
Perryton 622
2
District Enr.
Abilene Wylie 956
Breckenridge 459
Brownwood 901
Graham 721
Snyder 741
Sweetwater 634
3
District Enr.
Andrews 861
Brownfield 521
Lamesa 489
Midland Greenwood 479
Monahans 582
Seminole 633
4
District Enr.
Anthony 222
Clint 543.5
Fabens 724.5
Fort Stockton 637
Pecos 624
Tornillo 302
5
District Enr.
Bridgeport 661
Burkburnett 936
Decatur 855
Iowa Park 600
Vernon 603
Wichita Falls Hirschi 764
7
District Enr.
China Spring 609
Gatesville 794
Glen Rose 497
Hillsboro 461
West 490
Whitney 443
8
District Enr.
Burnet 975
Fischer Canyon Lake 906
Fredericksburg 928
Ingram Moore 521
Liberty Hill 704
Llano 510
Wimberley 661
9
District Enr.
Argyle 567
Celina 479
Gainesville 709
Prosper 657
Sanger 745
Whitesboro 539
10
District Enr.
Anna 494
Bonham 629.5
Commerce 463
Paris 934.5
Paris North Lamar 958
Van Alstyne 450
11
District Enr.
Carrollton Ranchview 788
Dallas Madison 523
Dallas Roosevelt 782
Ft Worth
Carter-Riverside 955
Ft Worth Castleberry 854
FW Diamond
Hill-Jarvis 914
Lake Worth 649
12
District Enr.
Alvarado 976
Crandall 702
Ferris 626
Kaufman 860
Kennedale 915
Venus 496
13
District Enr.
Emory Rains 485
Farmersville 460
Lucas Lovejoy 848
Nevada Community 478
Princeton 769
Quinlan Ford 815
14
District Enr.
Canton 555
Eustace 432
Kemp 490
Mineola 439
Van 695
Wills Point 824
16
District Enr.
Atlanta 531
Mount Vernon 473
New Boston 444
Pittsburg 681
Texarkana
Liberty-Eylau 802
Texarkana Pleasant
Grove 614
17
District Enr.
Bullard 494
Gilmer 701
Gladewater 568
Longview Spring Hill 524
Tatum 443
Tyler Chapel Hill 885
18
District Enr.
Carthage 794
Center 649
Diboll 485
Huntington 523
Jasper 813
Lufkin Hudson * 698
Pollok Central * 488
Rusk 570
19
District Enr.
Groesbeck 445
Lorena 480.5
Mexia 592
Robinson 742
Waco Connally 700
Waco La Vega 650
20
District Enr.
Athens 904
Brownsboro 822
Crockett 442
Fairfield 543
Palestine 865
Palestine Westwood 478
21
District Enr.
Bridge City 707
Hamshire-Fannett 568
Orangefield 521
Silsbee 843.5
Sour Lake
Hardin-Jefferson 662
West Orange-Stark 691
22
District Enr.
Cleveland 823
Cleveland Tarkington 611
Coldspring-Oakhurst 534
Huffman Hargrave 937
Liberty 654
Shepherd 492
Splendora 906.5
CONFERENCE 3A
2008-10 OFFICIAL FOOTBALL AND
2008-09 OFFICIAL BASKETBALL DISTRICT ALIGNMENT
* Plays basketball only
(Right Column Lists Official Enrollment Numbers)
24
District Enr.
Bryan Rudder 829.92
Caldwell 543
Cameron Yoe 437
Madisonville 612
Navasota 805
Rockdale 527
Taylor 943
25
District Enr.
Bellville 688
Columbus 533
Giddings 560.5
La Grange 593
Sealy 758
Smithville 513.5
26
District Enr.
Brookshire Royal 476
Needville 845
Stafford 844
Sweeny 591
West Columbia
Columbia 874
Wharton 641
27
District Enr.
La Vernia 826
Luling 446
Marion 470
Poteet 546
San Antonio Hawkins * 511
San Antonio Houston 898
Somerset 886
28
District Enr.
Cuero 630
Edna 455.5
Goliad 432
Gonzales 718
Palacios 443
Yoakum 446
29
District Enr.
Bandera 824
Carrizo Springs 696
Crystal City 569
Devine 555
Hondo 615
Lytle 473
Pearsall 665
31
District Enr.
Aransas Pass 542
Corpus Christi West
Oso 507
Falfurrias 494
Ingleside 617
Mathis 536
Orange Grove 502
Robstown 958
Sinton 592
32
District Enr.
Hidalgo 935
La Feria 857
Lyford 435
Port Isabel 695
Progreso 513
Raymondville 659
Rio Hondo 635
Zapata 925.5

[bigwood33]

Don't forget, the UIL will probably try to keep about the same number of 3A schools as we currently have. Therefore it is unlikely that the bottom number will move up much when we see the next alignment in Feb 2010.

[GrTigers6]

Originally posted by 44INAROW
They were still 3A in 1993 - they jumped up quick :eek: I think they were 2a in 91or 92 cause I think they played Goldthwaite in their 90's run. But I may be wrong. you know getting old , memory fading :D

[Bull Butter]

Originally posted by bigwood33
Don't forget, the UIL will probably try to keep about the same number of 3A schools as we currently have. Therefore it is unlikely that the bottom number will move up much when we see the next alignment in Feb 2010.

That's somewhat true. I can see the top number going up, however as more and more large schools are added in Houston, DFW and SA.

Small 4A schools like Tuloso-Midway and Rockport-Fulton will probably be 3A the next time around.

[44INAROW]

Originally posted by GrTigers6
I think they were 2a in 91or 92 cause I think they played Goldthwaite in their 90's run. But I may be wrong. you know getting old , memory fading :D

could be, I had never heard of SLC before we played them in 1993 - I just remember watching a heartwrenching loss to them in 1993 :( then it seems like they went to 4a the next alignment and then 5a the following alignment. They grew by leaps and bounds..

[bigwood33]

SLC was still 2A in the 1985 season and could not beat Pilot Point. They are 1-10 all time against Pilot Point. They moved up to 3A in 1986, 4A in 1994, and 5A in 2002.

[PPHSfan]

Originally posted by trojan37
Southlake Carroll was also 3A in the 80's, and look at them now.

Southlake Carroll used to be in the same 2a district as Celina and Pilot Point. And they did not fare very well there I might add. LOL

[TexasHSFB]

Originally posted by rhs78
Wharton last time was 641, BR was 476. I doubt Wharton goes anywhere, BR might move down. Sorry. I was pretty sure about Royal, but I thought Wharton had a low enrollment too.

I guess I was thinking of someone else.

[GrTigers6]

Originally posted by bigwood33
SLC was still 2A in the 1985 season and could not beat Pilot Point. They are 1-10 all time against Pilot Point. They moved up to 3A in 1986, 4A in 1994, and 5A in 2002. were they in the 2A playoffs in 91 or 92? I'm just trying to see if I dreamed it :D

[sic'em]

SLC was 3a in 91 and 92. Pilot Point played Goldthwaite in semi-finals in 1992 and 1993. The 1992 game was in Glen Rose. Final score was 0-0.
BTW, Pilot Point fits in the list of once 3a and now 2a.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Originally posted by Bull Butter
That's somewhat true. I can see the top number going up, however as more and more large schools are added in Houston, DFW and SA.

Small 4A schools like Tuloso-Midway and Rockport-Fulton will probably be 3A the next time around.

Rockport-Fulton USED to be in 3A....Port Isabel played them in the 2nd round of the playoffs in 1992, tied 21-21 and PI advanced on 1st downs if I remember correctly.

They had Dat Nguyen as their fullback.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
When Pearsal played them in the playoffs later on, they had an adjustment according to where he lined up. The call was "Chinaman right" or "Chinaman Left".

LMAO Are you serious? This was Dat's senior year, 1993 season, correct?

[bigwood33]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
When Pearsal played them in the playoffs later on, they had an adjustment according to where he lined up. The call was "Chinaman right" or "Chinaman Left".

I don't care who ya are, that right there is funny!

[BuckeyeNut]

Originally posted by GrTigers6
were they in the 2A playoffs in 91 or 92? I'm just trying to see if I dreamed it :D

Yea you are dreaming i played them in 3a 91 and 92. they were a big 3a. beat us both times.

[waterboy]

Originally posted by Black Flag
Yea you are dreaming i played them in 3a 91 and 92. they were a big 3a. beat us both times.
Really? Who did you play for? You must've been in the same district with them, because they didn't beat the same team in the playoffs those two years. They did beat the Gladewater Bears in '90 and '91 in the playoffs, though. If you played for Gilmer, where you're from now, SC beat them 42-0 in '90, and Forney beat them 34-21 in '91. The Buckeyes didn't make the playoffs in '92.