Softball Playoffs

[PutMeInCoach]

Post who, when, where, and times.

[pirate4state]

you first :D

[pirate4state]

Upper bracket:

R25 Giddings vs. T26 Columbia HS; TBA
winner faces W28 Yoakum

R27 Marion vs. Edna; Friday 5/1 - 7:30pm @ Lockhart;
winner faces W26 Sweeny

R29 Pearsall vs. T30 BYE
R29 Pearsall vs. W32 Lyford

R31 Ingleside vs. T32 La Feria; 2 out of 3 beginning Friday, location/time TBA;
winner gets BYE

Bottom bracket:

T25 Bellville vs. R26 Needville - TBA;
winner faces W27 La Vernia

T27 Poteet/Luling (?) vs. R28 Gonzales - TBA;
winner faces W25 La Grange

T29 Bandera vs R30 BYE
T29 Bandera vs. W31 Sinton - TBA

T31 Robstown vs R32 Raymondville - TBA;
winner faces W29 Devine

Good luck!

[3afan]

Canton @ Lovejoy, Friday
Lovejoy @ Canton, Saturday, 2 if needed

[PutMeInCoach]

Bellville at Needville, 7 p.m. (one game)


I am assuming this is Friday since Needville has prom on Saturday.

[coxjj]

Originally posted by PutMeInCoach
Bellville at Needville, 7 p.m. (one game)


I am assuming this is Friday since Needville has prom on Saturday.

Tues, May 5, 7pm @ Seven Lakes

[Buffgal]

Giddings vs Columbia playoff game

Who knows when or where?

Columbia coach wants the games played at the same time that 3 of the Giddings starters are competing at the Regional track meet in Corpus. Will not budge on any kind of a compromise.

Pretty sorry way to treat some great athletic girls just so that your team can advance.

In 3a, many athletes choose to participate in several sports and many times, they excel at those sports. Cannot believe that a school district would allow a coach to do this.

[coxjj]

Originally posted by Buffgal
Giddings vs Columbia playoff game

Who knows when or where?

Columbia coach wants the games played at the same time that 3 of the Giddings starters are competing at the Regional track meet in Corpus. Will not budge on any kind of a compromise.

Pretty sorry way to treat some great athletic girls just so that your team can advance.

In 3a, many athletes choose to participate in several sports and many times, they excel at those sports. Cannot believe that a school district would allow a coach to do this.

Also keep in mind that the UIL is forcing teams that want a 2-out-of-3 series to play at the same time as the Regional track meet. The only way to avoid playing at the same time as the Regional track meet is to play a 1-game series ... then that game is allowed to be played as late as Tuesday, May 5. Here's the ruling by UIL ... http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/softball/. I'm sure there's some logical reason why a 1 game series can be extended to Tuesday while a 2-out-of-3 has no leeway and MUST be played on Friday/Saturday; I'm just not aware of what that is.

That being the case, then it sounds like Columbia wants a 2-out-of-3 (thereby forcing a Fri/Sat series), while Giddings would want a 1 game series, so it could be scheduled on Monday or Tuesday, avoiding the track meet. I'm not sure of the details involved, this is just my guess. In any event, the UIL has to shoulder at least some of the blame in this scheduling conflict.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Buffgal
Giddings vs Columbia playoff game

Who knows when or where?

Columbia coach wants the games played at the same time that 3 of the Giddings starters are competing at the Regional track meet in Corpus. Will not budge on any kind of a compromise.

Pretty sorry way to treat some great athletic girls just so that your team can advance.

In 3a, many athletes choose to participate in several sports and many times, they excel at those sports. Cannot believe that a school district would allow a coach to do this.

That's just the way it goes sometimes. The Columbia coach is under no obligation to accommodate anyone but HIS/HER team. He/she still has to win the flip!

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by coxjj
Also keep in mind that the UIL is forcing teams that want a 2-out-of-3 series to play at the same time as the Regional track meet. The only way to avoid playing at the same time as the Regional track meet is to play a 1-game series ... then that game is allowed to be played as late as Tuesday, May 5. Here's the ruling by UIL ... http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/softball/. I'm sure there's some logical reason why a 1 game series can be extended to Tuesday while a 2-out-of-3 has no leeway and MUST be played on Friday/Saturday; I'm just not aware of what that is.

That being the case, then it sounds like Columbia wants a 2-out-of-3 (thereby forcing a Fri/Sat series), while Giddings would want a 1 game series, so it could be scheduled on Monday or Tuesday, avoiding the track meet. I'm not sure of the details involved, this is just my guess. In any event, the UIL has to shoulder at least some of the blame in this scheduling conflict.

Yeah, I don't understand that either. Good thing we won district & don't have to worry about that mess! :)

[coxjj]

Originally posted by pirate4state
Yeah, I don't understand that either. Good thing we won district & don't have to worry about that mess! :)

I'm guessing the thinking is that an extended 2-out-of-3 series could/would have games played on both Monday and Tuesday and start interfering with the rules about playing only one game during the school week, combined with the Area round following on the heels at the end of the week. But you'd think they would make an exception since we have the TAKS/Softball/Track "perfect storm" hitting in bi-district week.

As a result of this, Needville is waiting until Tue, May 5 to play its first playoff game after having last played on Fri, Apr 17 when district concluded. That's about a 2 1/2 week layoff between games (warmup game on 4/24 got rained out) ... and we're off that long without a bye!! Had a district game during Spring Break, but no games during the final week when everyone else was finishing up; go figure.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by PutMeInCoach
Bellville at Needville, 7 p.m. (one game)


I am assuming this is Friday since Needville has prom on Saturday.
I did a double take! I thought you said Needville has porn on Saturday! :doh: :doh:

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
I did a double take! I thought you said Needville has porn on Saturday! :doh: :doh: There's a difference? HAHA sorry, couldn't resist!

[buff4ever]

I am not really complaining, let's clear that up. The story coming from administrators is that Giddings won the toss for Monday one game over Friday series. After Giddings won the toss, the Columbia coach then said, okay you win - one game, now I want to toss again to decide Monday or Friday.

I kinda find that funny personally. It is like when you are flipping coins, and if you don't win the first one you say, "okay, best 2 out of 3." Then you say 3 out of 5 and so on and so on. :D :D :D

I don't know how things have wound up yet, or if they even have. Pretty funny, I guess most coaches in the state would try and play Giddings on Friday with track being an issue; gotta do what you gotta do I guess. But I would like to think that most coaches would have accepted the first coin toss???

[PutMeInCoach]

If things are not agreed upon, then you flip for it. Columbia obvious wants a 2 out of 3 series, lost the flip. So, a one game it is. Now you have to decide when. Just because it's a one game doesn't mean it automatically played on Monday or Tuesday. That may be what Giddings wants, but if Columbia wants to play Friday or Saturday, then they have to flip again for the date.

Same goes with which field, what balls, umpires, game(s) times etc. I don't blame the Columbia coach one bit for trying to give her team every advantage she can...this is her job...to win. Her job is not to make sure the other team is accommodated. Same thing happens when schools and proms, a school may have to play on thier prom date...that's the breaks.

If anything, maybe all this will get those Giddings girls fired up and stick to Columbia. Use it as motivation!

[buff4ever]

Originally posted by PutMeInCoach
If things are not agreed upon, then you flip for it. Columbia obvious wants a 2 out of 3 series, lost the flip. So, a one game it is. Now you have to decide when. Just because it's a one game doesn't mean it automatically played on Monday or Tuesday. That may be what Giddings wants, but if Columbia wants to play Friday or Saturday, then they have to flip again for the date.

Same goes with which field, what balls, umpires, game(s) times etc. I don't blame the Columbia coach one bit for trying to give her team every advantage she can...this is her job...to win. Her job is not to make sure the other team is accommodated. Same thing happens when schools and proms, a school may have to play on thier prom date...that's the breaks.

If anything, maybe all this will get those Giddings girls fired up and stick to Columbia. Use it as motivation!

If you read my message, I am not blaming the columbia coach one bit; I just thought it was funny. The verbage on the first flip was apparently between one game ON MONDAY, or a series on FRIDAY & Saturday. It was basically what most would do in one flip in two flips, until the columbia coach lost the first. Then she wanted 2 out of 3 type odds.

[87 TIGER]

Maybe i'm in the minority but, It would be hard for me to punish a player or team for excelling. Yes Columbia would have an advantage to play Giddings without 3 of its starters, but you need to beat the best to be the best right.To me the win would not be as sweet if you beat the team when they are not 100%.These girls are missing for a UIL event, not injury or family vacation, prom. I don't know these girls, but it seams they have worked very hard and are talented so don't punish them or take away thier dreams for the sake of winning a cheap one, earn it.

[Buffgal]

Originally posted by 87 TIGER
Maybe i'm in the minority but, It would be hard for me to punish a player or team for excelling. Yes Columbia would have an advantage to play Giddings without 3 of its starters, but you need to beat the best to be the best right.To me the win would not be as sweet if you beat the team when they are not 100%.These girls are missing for a UIL event, not injury or family vacation, prom. I don't know these girls, but it seams they have worked very hard and are talented so don't punish them or take away thier dreams for the sake of winning a cheap one, earn it.

Well said. I know 3adl is sports related but it would also be a dilemma if the girls were qualified in academic events. Because of the scheduling fiasco (TAKS tests, Regional Track, softball playoffs), the UIL deserves to shoulder some of the blame and should step in to protect the privileges of these outstanding athletes. No 3A kid should have to choose. We as parents, coaches, administrators should make every scheduling effort to allow them to participate and excel in as many athletic/academic events as they want to enter.

Here is the scenario according to local news source www.leecountylive.com. It should also be noted that Giddings offered the scenario of playing near Corpus at times to accomodate the track schedule (we would shuttle the girls to the games and then back to the track meet. This was done during the Texas Relays & Columbus was accomodating in the delayed time of the district game so that it could happen). However, WColumbia wouldn't budge. Said they could not be forced to travel that far.

www.leecountylive.com
Not News... Commentary
Post-Season? or Post-Season?
Should athletes have to choose?
by Dana Lehmann



4/27/09 For years we've heard that when it comes to high school sports, especially at the 3A level, post-season play takes precedence over pre-season play. That's a situation that's pretty easy to understand.

But what happens when athletes are involved in post-season play in two different sports? Should athletes, especially seniors, be forced to choose between the two events?

That's the dilemma that is working its way through the GHS Softball program right now. Due to the unparalleled success of the GHS athletic program, Giddings has three girls who have advanced to Regionals in track, that also play an important role on the softball field. (Note: the boys track team is also headed to regionals and the baseball team is playoff bound. Most of the Giddings athletic programs see post-season action, we are blessed.)



All three of the young lady-athletes involved in the softball question are starters on the varsity squad. The softball team finished the regular season last Tuesday and will enter the playoffs as the District 25 runner-up.

Senior Keanna Winkfield, Freshman Kayla Winkfield and Freshman Alix Masek are scheduled to compete in the regional track & field meet this Friday and Saturday in Corpus Christi. Softball playoff games begin this week and the positions that are directly affected by the conflict are centerfield, catcher and 2nd base. In addition, all three of these athletes bat in (at least) the top five positions in the line-up.

Normally the coaches work out the game or series details and usually work around conflicts like this. But, the coach of the 3rd place District 26 finisher West Columbia (WC), Shelly Murphy, doesn't want to budge.

Murphy wants to play a "best-of-three-games" series and she wants to do it on Friday and Saturday. All this, despite the fact that Giddings has received approval from the UIL to play the game next Tuesday. the only stipulation is that the matchup must take place by May 5th. The UIL does not usually "rule" or get involved in these types of conflicts but, instead, encourages the coaches to do what's best for the athletes involved.

Usually, when there is a disagreement over certain aspects of a post-season events, the coaches lay out their wishes and then they flip a coin, and make compromises. The coach from West Columbia doesn't seem to comprehend the concept.



All this makes one wonder what's she so worried about? Does she just want to face part of the Lady Buffs? It would seem that any coach that was worth a *#%! would prefer to play the real Giddings Varsity team instead of a team that consist of Varsity w/ JV call-ups?

Athletic Director Derek Fitzhenry said that the West Columbia coach just will not agree to anything short of what she wants. He added that her boss, the WC Athletic Director, is not forcing her to compromise.



Fitzhenry explained by saying that it is considered "un-ethical" in the high school coaching profession to make the athletes choose, while knowing that this choice alone will give you a competitive advantage. Both athletic directors have been involved and there is still (currently) no resolution.

Fitzhenry went on to say that the next step is to involve the two school superintendents, and that this is likely to happen by Monday evening. He said that the WC coach is trying to forego all efforts of compromise, but for no other reason than to better her chances of winning.

As for the athletes, most, if forced to choose, would pick the regional meet. The girls track team is expected to finish well within Region 4 and then be a real contender for the State Track Championship. Apparently the WC coach knows that and thinks that's her opportunity, even if it's underhanded, to beat the Buffs.

[zebrablue2]

If it is 1 game, play on Monday or Tuesday--no-brainer WC coach. I would want to play their best, and help all kids involved..

[BOCEPHUS]

THESE GALS HAVE COMPETED IN TRACK/SOFTBALL ALL SPRING, PLUS ALL 3 OF THESE STUDENT/ATHLETES ARE OUTSTANDING IN THE CLASSROOM AS WELL. PRETTY TOUGH DEAL TO DO 2 SPORTS AT ONCE AND BE AN 'A' STUDENT.

WE ENCOURAGE ATHLETES AT GIDDINGS TO COMPETE IN MULTIPLE SPORTS, SO WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE DOES THIS SEND??

THESE GIRLS SPEND HOURS TRAINING FOR 2 SPORTS AT ONCE, SOMETIMES HAVE 3 COMPETTIONS A WEEK, DROVE BACK FROM TEXAS RELAYS TO MAKE IT JUST IN TIME FOR DIST. SOFTBALL GAME.

THE FOLKS OVER IN WEST COLUMBIA THAT ARE 'TRY'EN' TO FORCE THEM TO CHOOSE ARE PRETTY CHICKEN *****!

AND BEFORE YOU MODS JUMP MY BUTT HERE, I AM USING RESTRAINT IN MY VERBIAGE.

KEVIN HALL
HEAD GIRLS TRACK COACH
GIDDINGS HIGH SCHOOL

[BwdLions]

Brownwood vs Lubbock Cooper

Graham vs Dalhart

[KngKongInDTrunk]

Originally posted by 87 TIGER
Maybe i'm in the minority but, It would be hard for me to punish a player or team for excelling. Yes Columbia would have an advantage to play Giddings without 3 of its starters, but you need to beat the best to be the best right.To me the win would not be as sweet if you beat the team when they are not 100%.These girls are missing for a UIL event, not injury or family vacation, prom. I don't know these girls, but it seams they have worked very hard and are talented so don't punish them or take away thier dreams for the sake of winning a cheap one, earn it.

Thats pretty funny. Yes that "should" be the way it is. You would be astonished the stuff ,especially softball coaches, try to pull. In scrimmages, games (district and non), and playoffs. Especially if an umpire doesn't know better. It is very cut throat.
UIL does need to do a better job...
Scheduling, regulating "coin tosses" or decision making, the list goes on...

Blessed is the school that has all these intelligent athletes that are involved in EVERYTHING. The key is to have a strong coaching staff that Communicates and is able to adjust and time manage. Now whether or not that is how it happens between different schools? Well... What have you done for me lately?

[pirate4state]

This is all too funny. LIFE ISN'T FAIR. The sooner you learn that lesson, the better off you'll be!

What's that phrase you like to use BO? Build a bridge and get over it!

Has the Columbia coach even won the flip to play on either Friday or Saturday?

Funny how the Giddings newspaper is talking about ethics and then slamming a coach because they don't like HER ethics. LMAO!

[BOCEPHUS]

HEY PP4BOY.

ITS ABOUT KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THEM. YOU TELL THEM IF THEY WORK HARD, DO THEIR BEST IT WILL WORK OUT FAIR, ATLEAST YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WIN. THEY MAY NOT GET THAT.

IS MY LAST POST ON THIS HERE. IF YOU ARE SOME TYPE OF MODERATOR.................U AIN'T GOT TO KICK ME OFF, AM GONE.

U SHOWED UR IGNORANCE, IS ABOUT KIDS DUMB ASS, BEING TREATED FAIR.

NOW ADULTS AND HOW TO HANDLE IT, I AM ALL OVER THAT.

ETHICS ON HERE SUCK, U JUST PROVED, U KNOCKED THE KIDS!

THIS ALWAYS WAS A JOKE, BOCEPHUS, SIGNING OFF FOR GOOD.

[KngKongInDTrunk]

Originally posted by Buffgal
Well said. I know 3adl is sports related but it would also be a dilemma if the girls were qualified in academic events. Because of the scheduling fiasco (TAKS tests, Regional Track, softball playoffs), the UIL deserves to shoulder some of the blame and should step in to protect the privileges of these outstanding athletes. No 3A kid should have to choose. We as parents, coaches, administrators should make every scheduling effort to allow them to participate and excel in as many athletic/academic events as they want to enter.

Here is the scenario according to local news source www.leecountylive.com. It should also be noted that Giddings offered the scenario of playing near Corpus at times to accomodate the track schedule (we would shuttle the girls to the games and then back to the track meet. This was done during the Texas Relays & Columbus was accomodating in the delayed time of the district game so that it could happen). However, WColumbia wouldn't budge. Said they could not be forced to travel that far.

www.leecountylive.com
Not News... Commentary
Post-Season? or Post-Season?
Should athletes have to choose?
by Dana Lehmann



4/27/09 For years we've heard that when it comes to high school sports, especially at the 3A level, post-season play takes precedence over pre-season play. That's a situation that's pretty easy to understand.

But what happens when athletes are involved in post-season play in two different sports? Should athletes, especially seniors, be forced to choose between the two events?

That's the dilemma that is working its way through the GHS Softball program right now. Due to the unparalleled success of the GHS athletic program, Giddings has three girls who have advanced to Regionals in track, that also play an important role on the softball field. (Note: the boys track team is also headed to regionals and the baseball team is playoff bound. Most of the Giddings athletic programs see post-season action, we are blessed.)



All three of the young lady-athletes involved in the softball question are starters on the varsity squad. The softball team finished the regular season last Tuesday and will enter the playoffs as the District 25 runner-up.

Senior Keanna Winkfield, Freshman Kayla Winkfield and Freshman Alix Masek are scheduled to compete in the regional track & field meet this Friday and Saturday in Corpus Christi. Softball playoff games begin this week and the positions that are directly affected by the conflict are centerfield, catcher and 2nd base. In addition, all three of these athletes bat in (at least) the top five positions in the line-up.

Normally the coaches work out the game or series details and usually work around conflicts like this. But, the coach of the 3rd place District 26 finisher West Columbia (WC), Shelly Murphy, doesn't want to budge.

Murphy wants to play a "best-of-three-games" series and she wants to do it on Friday and Saturday. All this, despite the fact that Giddings has received approval from the UIL to play the game next Tuesday. the only stipulation is that the matchup must take place by May 5th. The UIL does not usually "rule" or get involved in these types of conflicts but, instead, encourages the coaches to do what's best for the athletes involved.

Usually, when there is a disagreement over certain aspects of a post-season events, the coaches lay out their wishes and then they flip a coin, and make compromises. The coach from West Columbia doesn't seem to comprehend the concept.



All this makes one wonder what's she so worried about? Does she just want to face part of the Lady Buffs? It would seem that any coach that was worth a *#%! would prefer to play the real Giddings Varsity team instead of a team that consist of Varsity w/ JV call-ups?

Athletic Director Derek Fitzhenry said that the West Columbia coach just will not agree to anything short of what she wants. He added that her boss, the WC Athletic Director, is not forcing her to compromise.



Fitzhenry explained by saying that it is considered "un-ethical" in the high school coaching profession to make the athletes choose, while knowing that this choice alone will give you a competitive advantage. Both athletic directors have been involved and there is still (currently) no resolution.

Fitzhenry went on to say that the next step is to involve the two school superintendents, and that this is likely to happen by Monday evening. He said that the WC coach is trying to forego all efforts of compromise, but for no other reason than to better her chances of winning.

As for the athletes, most, if forced to choose, would pick the regional meet. The girls track team is expected to finish well within Region 4 and then be a real contender for the State Track Championship. Apparently the WC coach knows that and thinks that's her opportunity, even if it's underhanded, to beat the Buffs.

Wow. Yeah as the "other" coach you have to realize when you are being ridiculous and your focus is off the kids. She needs to be flexible. If her focus is to avoid having those 3 girls on the field. She deserves someone to come in and give Giddings everything they want in the deal. Any team is beatable on any given night. And if you do not think your best can beat their best, then I just feel bad for your players.

[hookandladder]

Originally posted by Buffgal
Well said. I know 3adl is sports related but it would also be a dilemma if the girls were qualified in academic events. Because of the scheduling fiasco (TAKS tests, Regional Track, softball playoffs), the UIL deserves to shoulder some of the blame and should step in to protect the privileges of these outstanding athletes. No 3A kid should have to choose. We as parents, coaches, administrators should make every scheduling effort to allow them to participate and excel in as many athletic/academic events as they want to enter.

Here is the scenario according to local news source www.leecountylive.com. It should also be noted that Giddings offered the scenario of playing near Corpus at times to accomodate the track schedule (we would shuttle the girls to the games and then back to the track meet. This was done during the Texas Relays & Columbus was accomodating in the delayed time of the district game so that it could happen). However, WColumbia wouldn't budge. Said they could not be forced to travel that far.

www.leecountylive.com
Not News... Commentary
Post-Season? or Post-Season?
Should athletes have to choose?
by Dana Lehmann



4/27/09 For years we've heard that when it comes to high school sports, especially at the 3A level, post-season play takes precedence over pre-season play. That's a situation that's pretty easy to understand.

But what happens when athletes are involved in post-season play in two different sports? Should athletes, especially seniors, be forced to choose between the two events?

That's the dilemma that is working its way through the GHS Softball program right now. Due to the unparalleled success of the GHS athletic program, Giddings has three girls who have advanced to Regionals in track, that also play an important role on the softball field. (Note: the boys track team is also headed to regionals and the baseball team is playoff bound. Most of the Giddings athletic programs see post-season action, we are blessed.)



All three of the young lady-athletes involved in the softball question are starters on the varsity squad. The softball team finished the regular season last Tuesday and will enter the playoffs as the District 25 runner-up.

Senior Keanna Winkfield, Freshman Kayla Winkfield and Freshman Alix Masek are scheduled to compete in the regional track & field meet this Friday and Saturday in Corpus Christi. Softball playoff games begin this week and the positions that are directly affected by the conflict are centerfield, catcher and 2nd base. In addition, all three of these athletes bat in (at least) the top five positions in the line-up.

Normally the coaches work out the game or series details and usually work around conflicts like this. But, the coach of the 3rd place District 26 finisher West Columbia (WC), Shelly Murphy, doesn't want to budge.

Murphy wants to play a "best-of-three-games" series and she wants to do it on Friday and Saturday. All this, despite the fact that Giddings has received approval from the UIL to play the game next Tuesday. the only stipulation is that the matchup must take place by May 5th. The UIL does not usually "rule" or get involved in these types of conflicts but, instead, encourages the coaches to do what's best for the athletes involved.

Usually, when there is a disagreement over certain aspects of a post-season events, the coaches lay out their wishes and then they flip a coin, and make compromises. The coach from West Columbia doesn't seem to comprehend the concept.



All this makes one wonder what's she so worried about? Does she just want to face part of the Lady Buffs? It would seem that any coach that was worth a *#%! would prefer to play the real Giddings Varsity team instead of a team that consist of Varsity w/ JV call-ups?

Athletic Director Derek Fitzhenry said that the West Columbia coach just will not agree to anything short of what she wants. He added that her boss, the WC Athletic Director, is not forcing her to compromise.



Fitzhenry explained by saying that it is considered "un-ethical" in the high school coaching profession to make the athletes choose, while knowing that this choice alone will give you a competitive advantage. Both athletic directors have been involved and there is still (currently) no resolution.

Fitzhenry went on to say that the next step is to involve the two school superintendents, and that this is likely to happen by Monday evening. He said that the WC coach is trying to forego all efforts of compromise, but for no other reason than to better her chances of winning.

As for the athletes, most, if forced to choose, would pick the regional meet. The girls track team is expected to finish well within Region 4 and then be a real contender for the State Track Championship. Apparently the WC coach knows that and thinks that's her opportunity, even if it's underhanded, to beat the Buffs.

Plain and simple, WC coach being chicken s--t. Hope she knows she building a reputation that will not be forgotten.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by BOCEPHUS
HEY PP4BOY.

ITS ABOUT KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THEM. YOU TELL THEM IF THEY WORK HARD, DO THEIR BEST IT WILL WORK OUT FAIR, ATLEAST YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WIN. THEY MAY NOT GET THAT.

IS MY LAST POST ON THIS HERE. IF YOU ARE SOME TYPE OF MODERATOR.................U AIN'T GOT TO KICK ME OFF, AM GONE.

U SHOWED UR IGNORANCE, IS ABOUT KIDS DUMB ASS, BEING TREATED FAIR.

NOW ADULTS AND HOW TO HANDLE IT, I AM ALL OVER THAT.

ETHICS ON HERE SUCK, U JUST PROVED, U KNOCKED THE KIDS!

THIS ALWAYS WAS A JOKE, BOCEPHUS, SIGNING OFF FOR GOOD.

You haven't even noticed that I'm not a MOD anymore. I'm crushed. :rolleyes:

I am well aware that it's about the kids, you have no idea what I do for OUR kids. I never said it was cool what she was trying to do, but it HAPPENS AND YOU should be well aware of that FACT coach!

This is one of those golden opportunities for coaches to TEACH their kids that life isn't fair and that there will always be someone out there trying to knock you down and how to handle & work through adversity.

Why don't you go do that instead of coming on here and slamming a fellow coach and berating me.

[hookandladder]

Originally posted by pirate4state
This is all too funny. LIFE ISN'T FAIR. The sooner you learn that lesson, the better off you'll be!

What's that phrase you like to use BO? Build a bridge and get over it!

Has the Columbia coach even won the flip to play on either Friday or Saturday?

Funny how the Giddings newspaper is talking about ethics and then slamming a coach because they don't like HER ethics. LMAO!

A very classless post, these girls have done nothing wrong and one coach wants to take advantage of the situation. Remember your talking about young kids. Winning at all cost, sounds like Little League.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by hookandladder
A very classless post, these girls have done nothing wrong and one coach wants to take advantage of the situation. Remember your talking about young kids. Winning at all cost, sounds like Little League. I'm sure she isn't the first or last coach that has tried this, but whatever, I'm done.

I have no doubt that the Giddings girls will get the last laugh!

[3&2count]

Just so you know:

The first flip in the Giddings / WC playoff series was for format of the series. That means 1 game or 2 of 3. The Giddings coach won the flip. (A date and time does not go with this flip. I believe the Giddings coach mistakenly thought that a one game series would automatically be on Monday)

The next flip was for date of game. WC won and chose Friday.

The next flip was for location. A central location between Giddings and WC is Sealy.

A game time of 8pm was also agreed upon.

(Remember if this series was two of three it would have to be on Friday and Saturday so the fact the game is on a Friday shouldn't be a shock to anyone).

The location of the game may still be in negotion. I am unsure of this.

Regardless, I truely believe all the track girls will make it to the 8pm game time.



Hope this helps.

[hookandladder]

Originally posted by pirate4state
You haven't even noticed that I'm not a MOD anymore. I'm crushed. :rolleyes:

I am well aware that it's about the kids, you have no idea what I do for OUR kids. I never said it was cool what she was trying to do, but it HAPPENS AND YOU should be well aware of that FACT coach!

This is one of those golden opportunities for coaches to TEACH their kids that life isn't fair and that there will always be someone out there trying to knock you down and how to handle & work through adversity.

Why don't you go do that instead of coming on here and slamming a fellow coach and berating me.

You are way off this time, in real life this will happen however this is something totally different. These are 2 coaches who should be in it for the kids not for themselfs, this is something that can be fixed and I would bet this will be corrected. WC coach will lose this battle which is for her benefit only and to think you used to be a mod, that's sad.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by hookandladder
You are way off this time, in real life this will happen however this is something totally different. These are 2 coaches who should be in it for the kids not for themselfs, this is something that can be fixed and I would bet this will be corrected. WC coach will lose this battle which is for her benefit only and to think you used to be a mod, that's sad. This isn't real life? Are we in the matrix?

Look. Sinton has had this happen before, as I'm sure, other teams have as well. We had girls competing at the state track meet last year AND having to play a best of 3 series on the same weekend. Their parents shuttled them back & forth. It can be done.

[3&2count]

WC had a girl that balanced district, regionals and state track meets and softball in 3 of her 4 years in high school. (injured other year)

The track coaches became pros at getting her back and forth to the games and meets.

That was part of the deal of being a two sport athlete.

She missed 95% of one playoff game because of the conflict.

[scrub c]

;)

[Reds fan]

The Giddings AD should have thought of this kind of situation when, in the recent past, other AD's contacted him about situations some Giddings players had participated in and nothing was ever done about it. Things do have a way of coming back around.

Like P4S said it happens a lot- deal with it and go on.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Reds fan
The Giddings AD should have thought of this kind of situation when, in the recent past, other AD's contacted him about situations some Giddings players had participated in and nothing was ever done about it. Things do have a way of coming back around.

Like P4S said it happens a lot- deal with it and go on.

:)

[Rocket Dad]

Just became a fan of Giddings softball. It IS about kids and teams (coaches) that intentionally try to manipulate game times to avoid playing against the other teams best should look for another career.

[Ranger Mom]

So....what events do these girls participate in on the track team??

Field events?? Isn't that is what is on Friday?

Field events in the evening and the distance races in the morning??

Then everything else at noon that Saturday??

If they aren't in the field events, seems like an 8:00 game should be easy to make....then back to Austin for the 3A meet at noon on Saturday.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
So....what events do these girls participate in on the track team??

Field events?? Isn't that is what is on Friday?

Field events in the evening and the distance races in the morning??

Then everything else at noon that Saturday??

If they aren't in the field events, seems like an 8:00 game should be easy to make....then back to Austin for the 3A meet at noon on Saturday.

You are thinking about the state meet. This is about the regional track meet in Corpus this weekend. Prelims begin at 1pm on Friday. Finals are Saturday.

[cshscougar08]

LHPM, you got a time and location on the CS vs. LH game?

[hookandladder]

Originally posted by pirate4state
This isn't real life? Are we in the matrix?

Look. Sinton has had this happen before, as I'm sure, other teams have as well. We had girls competing at the state track meet last year AND having to play a best of 3 series on the same weekend. Their parents shuttled them back & forth. It can be done.

You seem to be someone that is never wrong even when it is black and white. I do not have a problem with them playing the same weekend as long as time allows them all to be there. If there are other days available to play softball, you would think the coaches would work together. Maybe someone from WC could shed some light on this situation.

[pancho villa]

Originally posted by pirate4state
You are thinking about the state meet. This is about the regional track meet in Corpus this weekend. Prelims begin at 1pm on Friday. Finals are Saturday.

I think the prelims start at 2 on friday.

[pancho villa]

somebody needs a whammmy burger and some french crys!

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by pirate4state
You are thinking about the state meet. This is about the regional track meet in Corpus this weekend. Prelims begin at 1pm on Friday. Finals are Saturday.

:doh: I knew that!! :crazy1: :crazy1:

On a side note....I was stoked that the races were at 12:00 on Saturday and the weekend AFTER Mother's day weekend......I gotta see if the hubby can take vacation, and we might drive down that Saturday morning!

[Johnnypaycheck]

tough situation for those involved. coaches should make sure before hand, what exactly they are flipping for. i don't know the situation to pass judgement.

[pancho villa]

I know from my sources that West Columbia has conflicts on Monday so they would not be at full strength. So why is ok for the Goose but not the Gander.

[Johnnypaycheck]

Originally posted by pancho villa
I know from my sources that West Columbia has conflicts on Monday so they did would not be at full strength. So why is ok for the Goose but not the Gander.

The 2 for 1 special on cigs at Stewart's doesn't count as a conflict. LOL...

[hookandladder]

Originally posted by Reds fan
The Giddings AD should have thought of this kind of situation when, in the recent past, other AD's contacted him about situations some Giddings players had participated in and nothing was ever done about it. Things do have a way of coming back around.

Like P4S said it happens a lot- deal with it and go on.

The AD is not the softball coach, you do not treat the other sports bad because of the AD. That's really treating the kids fairly.

[scrub c]

There is a LOT that has been omitted from the story that is being portrayed here and in the newspaper article that was linked on the earlier post.

Our track coaches have had to shuttle kids back and forth from softball series to track meets (region and state I might add) and the accomodations were made by the parents/coaches, not the opposing teams...

I guarantee the WC coach wants to play giddings at full strength, and every opportunity was made, nothing could be agreed upon so they went to the flip, giddings lost.

through the years, the WC coach has played much better teams than giddings, so dont think she is scared of the buffs...

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by hookandladder
The AD is not the softball coach, you do not treat the other sports bad because of the AD. That's really treating the kids fairly.

Reference was to the AD's comment below:

"Athletic Director Derek Fitzhenry said that the West Columbia coach just will not agree to anything short of what she wants. He added that her boss, the WC Athletic Director, is not forcing her to compromise.
Fitzhenry explained by saying that it is considered "un-ethical" in the high school coaching profession"

Granted, this is tough, (not unfair), for the kids but they are all taught to follow the rules and this falls within the UIL rules.

Again, the Giddings AD chose to do nothing last year after some members of the softball team commited some, shall we say nefarious, acts both during and after the game.

[87 TIGER]

Originally posted by pancho villa
I know from my sources that West Columbia has conflicts on Monday so they would not be at full strength. So why is ok for the Goose but not the Gander. Whats going on on a Monday?

[44INAROW]

Originally posted by Reds fan
, shall we say nefarious, acts both during and after the game.

ok - how many of you had to look up NEFARIOUS? :D

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by 44INAROW
ok - how many of you had to look up NEFARIOUS? :D

When something is neither "near" nor "far", it said to be "nefarious".....

[PutMeInCoach]

If the shoe was on the other foot and WC had the conflict, do acutally think Giddings would "do what's best for the kids"?...personally, I don't think so.

[zebrablue2]

Originally posted by scrub c
There is a LOT that has been omitted from the story that is being portrayed here and in the newspaper article that was linked on the earlier post.

Our track coaches have had to shuttle kids back and forth from softball series to track meets (region and state I might add) and the accomodations were made by the parents/coaches, not the opposing teams...

I guarantee the WC coach wants to play giddings at full strength, and every opportunity was made, nothing could be agreed upon so they went to the flip, giddings lost.

through the years, the WC coach has played much better teams than giddings, so dont think she is scared of the buffs...


a long haul from corpus to say sealy- prob. about 3 hrs, and more by bus. I have worked columbia games over the last 5 yrs. great coach, very classy, but in this case, she could have agreed to Mon. or Tues. not a class move at all.. JMO...

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by 44INAROW
ok - how many of you had to look up NEFARIOUS? :D

LOL, it's the old school teacher in me!;)

By the way some good synonyms of nefarious:
flagitious, heinous, infamous, vile, atrocious, execrable

Don't you just love the english language?:D

[scrub c]

Originally posted by zebrablue2
a long haul from corpus to say sealy- prob.

My sources tell me Port Lavaca, Victoria, and others down south were offered up and giddings reply was, you cant make me drive that far... which I guess is true, but dont act like WC said Sealy and Sealy only...
And actually I think the game is gonna be played in Columbus.

[neck_94]

Originally posted by BOCEPHUS
BOCEPHUS, SIGNING OFF FOR GOOD.

GOOD RIDDANCE

(Meaning: An expression of pleasure on being rid of some annoyance - usually an individual...)

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by cshscougar08
LHPM, you got a time and location on the CS vs. LH game?

It's a home and home. Friday in LH, then Saturday double header in China Spring. I think game time Friday is 7, I imagine Saturday would be around noon.

[44INAROW]

Originally posted by Reds fan
LOL, it's the old school teacher in me!;)

By the way some good synonyms of nefarious:
flagitious, heinous, infamous, vile, atrocious, execrable

Don't you just love the english language?:D
lol my mother was "the Senior English Teacher" in Cuero for 29 years. I was brought up with daily "word of the day" I love "fancy/big words" :)

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by PutMeInCoach
If things are not agreed upon, then you flip for it. Columbia obvious wants a 2 out of 3 series, lost the flip. So, a one game it is. Now you have to decide when. Just because it's a one game doesn't mean it automatically played on Monday or Tuesday. That may be what Giddings wants, but if Columbia wants to play Friday or Saturday, then they have to flip again for the date.

Same goes with which field, what balls, umpires, game(s) times etc. I don't blame the Columbia coach one bit for trying to give her team every advantage she can...this is her job...to win. Her job is not to make sure the other team is accommodated. Same thing happens when schools and proms, a school may have to play on thier prom date...that's the breaks.

If anything, maybe all this will get those Giddings girls fired up and stick to Columbia. Use it as motivation!
I always thought that was the way it pretty much worked for most "playoff" sports. :confused:

[PutMeInCoach]

Yes, all sports, not just softball. My point was how they have to flip for every little detail if they can't agree.

[zebrablue2]

Originally posted by scrub c
My sources tell me Port Lavaca, Victoria, and others down south were offered up and giddings reply was, you cant make me drive that far... which I guess is true, but dont act like WC said Sealy and Sealy only...
And actually I think the game is gonna be played in Columbus.


columbus it is, friday a 8..

[K-MAC Chuck]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
It's a home and home. Friday in LH, then Saturday double header in China Spring. I think game time Friday is 7, I imagine Saturday would be around noon.

Pretty close, LH Mom!!


LH vs. China Springs softball bi-district playoffs
Game 1 - Friday @ LH, 7 p.m.
(note: the LH concessions will have a $5 fajitas taco special - get 2 tacos and a drink for 5 dollars)

Game 2 - Saturday @ CS, 11 a.m.

Game 3 - Saturday @ CS, 30 minutes afer conclusion of Game 2 (if necessary)




BTW, LH Mom, don't you owe me a phone call (re: The Beast)? LOL

Have a great Wednesday, everyone!

[BaseballUmp]

Not happening anytime soon

[I_DONT_CARE]

LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A BUNCH OF ACTING LIKE A CRYBABY FOR NOTHING. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[SHSBulldog00]

What are the new dates for the softball playoffs?

[zebrablue2]

Originally posted by SHSBulldog00
What are the new dates for the softball playoffs?


nothing before 5-11-09..

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by SHSBulldog00
What are the new dates for the softball playoffs?

Softball
District Certification April 28
Bi District Deadline May 16 (1 game or 2 out of 3)
Area Deadline May 19 (1 game only)
Regional Quarterfinal Deadline May 23 (1 game or 2 out of 3)
Regional Semifinal Deadline May 26 (1 game only)
Regional Final Deadline May 30 (1 game or 2 out of 3)
State Tournament June 4-6

[cdlvj]

The current bracket type 1/3 games ought to just be scrapped in favor of a Regional Double elimination tournment. Would be much much better. The team coming out of the winners bracket and the team out of the losers bracket would simply advance to the State Double elimination tournment. Field of 8.
None of this dumb coin flips and controversies!!

[3&2count]

Can you explain yourself?
1/3 .... coin flips... i don't understand

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by kepdawg
Softball
District Certification April 28
Bi District Deadline May 16 (1 game or 2 out of 3)
Area Deadline May 19 (1 game only)
Regional Quarterfinal Deadline May 23 (1 game or 2 out of 3)
Regional Semifinal Deadline May 26 (1 game only)
Regional Final Deadline May 30 (1 game or 2 out of 3)
State Tournament June 4-6

So the state track meet and the softball state tournament are the same weekend?

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
So the state track meet and the softball state tournament are the same weekend?

Yes

[3&2count]

How can UIL do that? Shame on them..

That is unacceptable.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by 3&2count
How can UIL do that? Shame on them..

That is unacceptable.

At least they'll just be across the highway! ;)

[cdlvj]

Out with the options of 1 playoff or best of 3 games, using coin flips for home/away, playing Mon/Fri etc.

Select a site for each region, 24 team double elimination with all 8 district winners getting a bye. Teams are out with 2 loses. The winner of the main bracket goes to the state playoffs. The team that comes back through the losing bracket also goes to state playoff.

Then you have the state playoff with 8 team double elimination bracket.

Way less games to play. No bickering on where to play, which day to play, one game vs three games. And would be finished after 2 week ends.

[coxjj]

Originally posted by cdlvj
Out with the options of 1 playoff or best of 3 games, using coin flips for home/away, playing Mon/Fri etc.

Select a site for each region, 24 team double elimination with all 8 district winners getting a bye. Teams are out with 2 loses. The winner of the main bracket goes to the state playoffs. The team that comes back through the losing bracket also goes to state playoff.

Then you have the state playoff with 8 team double elimination bracket.

Way less games to play. No bickering on where to play, which day to play, one game vs three games. And would be finished after 2 week ends.

Minor alteration there ... with each region having no teams in one district each, you're talking 21 teams in each regional tournament, with all 7 district winners betting a bye. There'd have to be a couple of other byes mixed in as the 2nd round of the winner's bracket would need 16 teams to work out in a traditional D/E bracket, but could be done.

[3&2count]

Do you realize how many games can be played in a true "double elimination" tournament with 8 teams?

You could have 13 games in a real tournament where you have to lose twice to be out.

The current system is 4 teams go to state and they play 3 total games.

How in the world would you play all those games?

[coxjj]

Originally posted by 3&2count
Do you realize how many games can be played in a true "double elimination" tournament with 8 teams?

You could have 13 games in a real tournament where you have to lose twice to be out.

The current system is 4 teams go to state and they play 3 total games.

How in the world would you play all those games?

In this proposed state tournament, there'd be 8 teams in (1st and 2nd from each regional tournament), so you'd have 15 games to schedule. Don't forget there are 5 classifications, so there'd be 5 8-team D/E brackets to deal with. So 75 games to play in all. Would have to use a large complex to get in that many games with games 2 to 2.5 hours apart.