4 outs in one inning?

[turbostud]

4 outs in one inning (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Rare-four-out-play-helps-Dodgers-down-Diamondb?urn=mlb,155380)

[turbostud]

Video (http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4119281&c_id=la)

[3afan]

in our ump clinincs we routinely cover the "4th out appeal"

[Farmersfan]

The rule needs changed so that a appeal at third isn't needed. If the runner doesn't tag up then the run should never count. Why the need for the appeal? (Ever)

[zebrablue2]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
The rule needs changed so that a appeal at third isn't needed. If the runner doesn't tag up then the run should never count. Why the need for the appeal? (Ever)


:iagree:

[sahen]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
The rule needs changed so that a appeal at third isn't needed. If the runner doesn't tag up then the run should never count. Why the need for the appeal? (Ever)

because technically the guy is not out if you never step on third w/ the ball to get him out....for example, if pierre would have been the 2nd out of the inning and not the third then the same thing would have happened had they thrown the ball to the pitcher and started a new play....its like in little league when the player didnt tag up but no one catches it...he isnt out until you put him out.....the only difference is this almost never happens in the majors since there are people paid to pay attention to this...someone wasn't doing their job which is why this happened...


on a side note: 4 out innings are not that rare....they happen every time a player reaches base after a strikeout/wild pitch...

[3afan]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
The rule needs changed so that a appeal at third isn't needed. If the runner doesn't tag up then the run should never count. Why the need for the appeal? (Ever)

so if a runner leaves early after a caught fly ball you think the umpire should just call them out?

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by 3afan
so if a runner leaves early after a caught fly ball you think the umpire should just call them out?



Considering you only gave me ONE option then I have to say YES!!!! It would be a much fairer assessment than letting the run count. The rules say you must tag up before advancing to the next base. I don't think the rules say you must tag up before advancing to the next base unless the other team doesn't appeal it................. It takes an appeal by the other team to put the runner out but at the very least the ump should put the runner back one base if an appeal doesn't happen. Bottom line is that in this case the umps ALLOWED a team to score illegally when they knew about the violation. It would be no different for a wide receiver to jump offsides and score and the refs let it happen unless the defense appeals the play. It's ridiculous....
It's basically saying you must obey the rules unless the other team doesn't see you........

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by 3afan
so if a runner leaves early after a caught fly ball you think the umpire should just call them out?


To answer your question more directly, the rules should be changed so that if the runner leaves early and the other team can tag the base during the active play the runner is out. It they don't tag him out at third base and the play ends then the umps must move him back to third. Tagging third base after the play is dead is ridiculous and letting the run score because there is no appeal is even more ridiculous..... but that's just my opinion.

[BaseballUmp]

As an umpire, it is not our job to make sure the team appeals. we dont tell them to appeal or make any jesture urging it. It is the defenses job to do so. The fielder coulda just touched 2nd base and it wouldnt have mattered. And as a player you have to be aware of other runners. someone on the team may it be a fielder coach or someone on the bench should have known the rules and asked for an appeal before they all decided to leave the field. the catcher should have been on top of it all. hes the closest to it all. he can see the umpire call the runner safe at home and should have it in his mind if the he tagged or not. this is not a rule that should be changed. players need to have a knowledge of the rules.

[jockcity33]

so if the fielder that tagged the runner that was on second would have continued on to third base and stepped on the bag on his way to the dugout and still had the ball in his glove would the run have counted?

[BaseballUmp]

No that run would not have counted because they would have retired the runner regardless of already having 3 outs. Then there would have been no need for an appeal.