Wisdom of old

[sinton66]

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by

legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person

receives without working for, another person must work for

without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody

anything that the government does not first take from

somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that

they do not have to work because the other half is going to

take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea

that it does no good to work because somebody else is going

to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the

end of any nation.. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it.."



~~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931

Want to know what you're up against? Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA&feature=channel_page

Dramatization? Sure, but it is truthful.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by sinton66
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by

legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person

receives without working for, another person must work for

without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody

anything that the government does not first take from

somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that

they do not have to work because the other half is going to

take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea

that it does no good to work because somebody else is going

to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the

end of any nation.. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it.."



~~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931

Want to know what you're up against? Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA&feature=channel_page

Dramatization? Sure, but it is truthful.
lmao this is your wisdom? hold on guys, i'm going to be like s66 and go copy some cliches and find some videos supporting the other side! I want to be wise! haha Being old and cynical isn't wisdom!

[Trashman]

Sinton66 I like that quote and now I would like to share one of my all time favorites by Alexander Tyler. Although he was not talking about the United States, he might as well have been.


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
That quote proved to be true in the Soviet Union and China, and it's proving true in Cuba and North Korea. Take a look at one of those "the world at night" maps, and check out the difference between North Korea and South Korea. One you won't be able to find(no lights, it's dark), and the other one is lit up like Chinese New Year.
Oh, and Trashy, that's actually not a Tyler quote. It was actually made by Henning W. Prentis. One of my students pointed that out to me and I had to eat a little crow. its nostalgic and no more than philosophical pondering! Take a gander at Adam Smith and Jefferson in his later years and what he wrote as he viewed the growing aristocracy being created in the United States. Quoting people and using metaphors such as pictures is nothing more than conjecture. You point to China, lol they are doing just fine, with a capitalism economy under a totalitarian regime, hence proving capitalism does not always equate freedom or democracy. Cuba has lasted longer than capitalism in most central, southern and Caribbean countries. The USSR in competition with the United States attempted to maintain a 1st rate military with an agrarian economy. They never had a chance in the end. North Korea, lmao, that isn't socialism, that is PURE Totalitarian and tyrannical rule. Socialism is closest to its purest form in Europe where the government actually fear the people. I hope Capitalism shows better to the world, because in the minds of most nations around the world Capitalism folded on itself after this. Right or wrong, it is a strong rebuke to Reagan/Thatcher neo-liberal policies. That being said, if the 3rd world/developing nations contine to turn away from free market capitalism we will see a drastic change in how things are run globally. Europeans figured they were not in any harm when the U.S. began to slide, the interconnectivity of the global markets brought them back to earth when they realized things beyond their control can have an abject effect on them. THAT IS UNSETTLING TO ANY SOVEREIGN NATION.

[sinton66]

Originally posted by DDBooger
lmao this is your wisdom? hold on guys, i'm going to be like s66 and go copy some cliches and find some videos supporting the other side! I want to be wise! haha Being old and cynical isn't wisdom!

This is your retort? Making fun of my age? Anybody can "cheap shot", so you just proved you're "average". Wisdom does come with age in most people's case, it's looking doubtful in yours.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by sinton66
This is your retort? Making fun of my age? Anybody can "cheap shot", so you just proved you're "average". Wisdom does come with age in most people's case, it's looking doubtful in yours. not a shot, an observation that anyone can cite, anyone can quote, not everyone can explain what they cite, or quote or come up with their own idea! That is why cliches are like sarcasm to the intellectual, because it is a shortcut and masking of what is truly lacking, critical analysis skills! I sir am plenty sure of my ability, I was out of hand though, I shouldn't have approached so aggressively, and s66 not that you should care, I was just looking for a good argument, I have the utmost respect for ya, ;)

[sinton66]

I've never equated direct quotes with "cliche". Is the great Kennedy quote "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" a "cliche"?? You're obviously well read, but true wisdom doesn't come from books. Education must be tempered through life experiences. Having convictions and being set in one's way is a direct result of that experience. There is no substitute for it.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by sinton66
I've never equated direct quotes with "cliche". Is the great Kennedy quote "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" a "cliche"?? You're obviously well read, but true wisdom doesn't come from books. Education must be tempered through life experiences. Having convictions and being set in one's way is a direct result of that experience. There is no substitute for it. I'm 32, traveled the world, worked with and in some of the worst conditions, saw suffering first hand, I actually lent a hand and have worked with the emotionally, physically and sexually abused. I now choose to pursue a path where I can write policy to help! We can shoot from the hip with philosophy, but unless applied, it is nothing but feed in the trough. That quote is great, and a inspiring sound byte, but I am more interested in finding out who did just that, who didn't and who was persecuted before and after for different ideologies/color/race/creed/etc. I appreciate the wisdom that older gentleman such as yourself provide, but wisdom is contextual to life experiences, for instance if you had a lot of experience traveling to Mexico and I didn't, you would provide excellent instructions on how to go about arriving at what ever my goal was. I too like quotes that motivate, but like you pointed out experiences are more important than just books, ACTING on cliches is more important than just citing them.

[charlesrixey]

high taxation was a factor in the downfall of Rome
if it was ever going to work, wouldn't it have worked by now?

S66, great quote

trashman, you also have a good retort, but the hunger for power is what drove the government to expand, not the needs of the welfare class. Just because they were exploited doesn't mean the poor wish for higher taxes. Eventually, however, everyone has to pay when taxes skyrocket (like they will in the coming decades), including the lower income brackets. Then, they will have no escape from their oppression--at least today they still have a choice.

[BwdLion73]

32 is a good year.

I recall a couple of decades ago when I was 32...I just about had it all figured out. (sorry tired of watching Lubbock come by my window and thought I would reply)

Carry on ;)

[sinton66]

I like the tea bag idea, but they should be empty.;)

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
lmao this is your wisdom? hold on guys, i'm going to be like s66 and go copy some cliches and find some videos supporting the other side! I want to be wise! haha Being old and cynical isn't wisdom!
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I just saw this for the first time.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
The video speaks louder and with more clarity than you, boog. Did you watch it? Did it make you mad?
:D
I AM going to the dag nambit TEA thingy!:clap:

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
[haha Being old and cynical isn't wisdom! [/B]



My grandfather use to tell me that years of experience leads to days of wisdom. I would sit and listen at his statments about the world and be amazed that a person could live to be 85 years old and not understand the world any better than he did. I look back on our talks now and understand that he lived in a world he could see and touch whereas I lived in a world taught to me by books and authors of books. He was steady and unconcerned with the world events and I was excitable and very opinionated. He got his self respect from the family he raised, the farm he worked and the way his neighbors waved at him as he traveled to the post office everyday. I needed to show everyone how smart I was and be recognized as a intelligent person to get my self respect. My Grandpa passed away at 85 years old without ever knowing about terrorists in Iraq, Missles in Cuba or Gobal Warming. the funny thing is, I have spent the last 48 years trying to get as smart as my grandpa was and I still have a long way to go!!!! What I find ironic is that the older I get, the smarter my Grandpa was.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
My grandfather use to tell me that years of experience leads to days of wisdom. I would sit and listen at his statments about the world and be amazed that a person could live to be 85 years old and not understand the world any better than he did. I look back on our talks now and understand that he lived in a world he could see and touch whereas I lived in a world taught to me by books and authors of books. He was steady and unconcerned with the world events and I was excitable and very opinionated. He got his self respect from the family he raised, the farm he worked and the way his neighbors waved at him as he traveled to the post office everyday. I needed to show everyone how smart I was and be recognized as a intelligent person to get my self respect. My Grandpa passed away at 85 years old without ever knowing about terrorists in Iraq, Missles in Cuba or Gobal Warming. the funny thing is, I have spent the last 48 years trying to get as smart as my grandpa was and I still have a long way to go!!!! What I find ironic is that the older I get, the smarter my Grandpa was.
Being oblivious to the things around you isn't Intelligence, but an appreciation that only old timers can have because, through age, what matters becomes more and more what is in front of you not what occurs thousands of miles across the world. I found out more about my grandmother a week before her death than I did the many years prior. We stayed up until 4AM talking about things, life, my family and history. View of the world around you narrows and expands many times throughout life. Your life experiences push and pull until the final result. Which is we all die, who did I touch, did I leave my mark, did I love as much as I should have. Hence my remark about arriving at a point where all you have is cynicism, not all arrive to that point.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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I just saw this for the first time.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
The video speaks louder and with more clarity than you, boog. Did you watch it? Did it make you mad?
:D
I AM going to the dag nambit TEA thingy!:clap: It makes me mad that anyone can believe that one party will make any difference over the other. I didn't elect Barrack Obama to prop up the very same people that steered us in this direction. "To Big to Fail" that to me means a direct threat upon national security if they can hold us up! I think it is funny that Republicans now accept the Libertarian argument that many of them feel a bit uneasy about being associated with this Tea party if you read their blogs. For such a long time this idea was theirs and it has been pulled out from under them. IF you believe the rich are being punished you just aren't paying attention. While either side takes different approaches, both serve to the larger master. I denounce either party and if something arised from the middle, I would gladly switch.

[Farmersfan]

Originally posted by DDBooger
Being oblivious to the things around you isn't Intelligence, but an appreciation that only old timers can have because, through age, what matters becomes more and more what is in front of you not what occurs thousands of miles across the world. I found out more about my grandmother a week before her death than I did the many years prior. We stayed up until 4AM talking about things, life, my family and history. View of the world around you narrows and expands many times throughout life. Your life experiences push and pull until the final result. Which is we all die, who did I touch, did I leave my mark, did I love as much as I should have. Hence my remark about arriving at a point where all you have is cynicism, not all arrive to that point.



Agreed! But to arrive at a point of total cynicism is not less Wise than to arrive at a point that YOU would agree with. That was the whole point! To most logical people the fact of being old would equate to a measure of wisdom regardless of how much cynicism or optimism. And world travels and exposure only leads to increase the width of the wisdom but not the depth of it. Wow! Did I just say that???? I think I confused myself....

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
Ive never heard anyone of any consequence claim that the republican party was the answer. What has people up in arms about the current adminsitration is the obvious lean towards socialism and the HUGE power seizure(attempting to add DC to congress, taking over the census, attempting to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine, gun control legislation, etc...).
This video doesn't blame a party, it blames us, We the People, for allowing our government to control us rather than us control them. Many amendments to the constitution have been eroded, but the 9th has been repealed without ever being voted on. Nor was I responding to that! And if you think this is Socialism you seriouslly need to reread its tenants partner. Those "fixing" the crisis are hardly socialists, Geither and Sommers? NO! Socializing the bad debt and privatizing the resulting profit is SO FAR from socialism, your misunderstanding of that leads me to believe you are listening to pundits or have misjudged the exact parameters of this mess. No one is taking your guns :rolleyes: , census bureau, I suppose the other side would have done something much more savory! Fairness Doctrine? Is the bill being pushed through? Where is it at now? Nothing but kibbles and bits to the larger picture. NO matter how you cut it, what is occuring is not socialism, it is actually a rebuke of its original intent. Dems through more feed to the trough to appease populist but compare that to what they give on the other end of the spectrum and its pennies. It seems that power grabs is only acceptable to you when you agree with the tenants of those perceiving it, because, the exact same thing has occured in every administration with regards to POWER GRABS, your just sensationalizing it for your own agenda.

[DDBooger]

regarding fairness doctrine
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_the_fairness_doctrine_coming_back_and.html

Snopes or FactCheck is your friend ETB! ;)

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Agreed! But to arrive at a point of total cynicism is not less Wise than to arrive at a point that YOU would agree with. That was the whole point! To most logical people the fact of being old would equate to a measure of wisdom regardless of how much cynicism or optimism. And world travels and exposure only leads to increase the width of the wisdom but not the depth of it. Wow! Did I just say that???? I think I confused myself.... I understood it, and my understanding of cynicism was having an overall negative view at EVERYTHING despite legitimate arguments to the contrary!

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
You are obviously beyond reason, so I'll let you stew in your own misguided sense of self-worth.
Fairness Doctrine is dead in name only. Now, it's called localism. Stay tuned. You'll hear more of it soon. lmao when you have no retort, resort to name calling! Haha I'm the misguided one! well don't run into me with those blinders! :cool:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
Just dont have time for a proper reply. Off period is almost over. Understood ;)

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
m educated enough to know what the hell socialism is. Well in this case, it certainly does not appear so! If anything this is uniquely AMERICAN socialism, which is exactly what I authored. Socialization of the Debt, Privatization of the profit. Had they nationalized the banks, and manipulated them through direct control of the state, you'd have a point, otherwise you're just standing on manufactured dissent to attract the willing masses with the scariness of one word! Regulation won't help either, it will simply set a bar that is essentially laughable and legitimize fraudulent behavior by not extending past some imaginary boundary drawn up by the apparent interchangeability and dialectic exchange of position from private to govt sector as we have seen in every administration and party change throughout the years. IS it no wonder that the Dems have now become the largest benefactors of big corp. money!? When we come full circle and the alternative is in power, you'll see the exact same thing. Money is oblvious to party but cognizant of POWER, who ever has one is the beneficiary of the other. A united movement can change that, but it has to cut across party lines to be effective in creating TRUE change, otherwise the divisiveness plays to the hands of those who control what we hear, see, and talk about.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
On it's way, my friend. Citi will be the first.
Atlas Shrugged is the future of America, Im afraid. partner, I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with you if I believed we viewed the larger monster in the same kaleidoscope! Even if it is socialized, the losers will be the taxpayers, because it will be propped up and set loose in the same playground while big daddy says, "go, have fun, I'll be watching and if you fall down, I'll pick you up!" haha that sounds romantic! ;)

[Diocletian]

This is a well thought out presentation. I'm wondering how "we the people" can get great speeches like this to the people in charge.

What is the trick ?...other than$$$

[sinton66]

Originally posted by Diocletian
This is a well thought out presentation. I'm wondering how "we the people" can get great speeches like this to the people in charge.

What is the trick ?...other than$$$

They'd just ignore it.;)