Have you ever been pulled over by a cop like this? [Archive]

eagles_victory

03-26-2009, 01:50 PM

PLANO, Texas -- A Dallas police officer who delayed Houston Texans' running back Ryan Moats from visiting his mother-in-law before she died in a Plano hospital has been reassigned to dispatch pending an investigation.

On the Web site of the Dallas Morning News, video from a police dashboard camera shows a Dallas police officer stopping Texans running back Ryan Moats in front of the hospital where his mother-in-law lay dying of cancer. Watch

Moats, his wife and other family members rushed from their suburban Dallas home to Baylor Regional Medical Center at Plano during the early hours of March 18 after getting word around midnight that Moats' mother-in-law, Jonetta Collinsworth, was dying. She had breast cancer.

According to Dallas-area media reports, Moats' vehicle, which rolled through a red light, was stopped by Officer Robert Powell in the hospital's parking lot.

Powell kept Moats and another family member for 13 minutes, threatening Moats with arrest and lecturing him. By the time Moats was released and entered the hospital, Jonetta Collinsworth had died.

Dallas police have dropped the ticket.

The Moatses, who are black, said Wednesday that they can't help but think that race may have played a role in how Powell, who is white, treated them.

"I think he should lose his job," said Ryan Moats, a Dallas native, according to the Dallas Morning News.

Dallas-Fort Worth television station WFAA-TV also obtained dashboard video from inside Powell's cruiser, detailing the exchange in which Powell threatened Moats with arrest.

When the car was pulled over, Moats' wife, Tamishia Moats, and her great aunt got out of the car to get into the hospital.

"Get in there!" Powell said, according to the Dallas Morning News' account of the footage. "Let me see your hands!"

"My mom is dying," Tamishia Moats replied. She and her great aunt ignored the officer and headed into the hospital, while Ryan Moats and another family member stayed behind, according to the report.

"I waited until no traffic was coming," Moats told Powell, explaining why he had rolled through the red light. "I got seconds before she's gone, man," he said, the newspaper reported.

Powell demanded his license, which Moats produced, and proof of insurance, which Moats could not find. "Just give me a ticket or whatever," Moats said, his frustration beginning to show, according to the report.

"Shut your mouth," Powell told him, the newspaper reported. "You can cooperate and settle down, or I can just take you to jail for running a red light."

In another exchange reported by the Morning News, Moats again asked the officer to complete the traffic stop quickly.

"If you're going to give me a ticket, give me a ticket," Moats said.

"Your attitude says that you need one," Powell replied.

"All I'm asking you is just to hurry up," Moats added.

"If you want to keep this going, I'll just put you in handcuffs," the officer said, "and I'll take you to jail for running a red light."

Powell continued on, making several more points, and Moats replied "Yes sir" to each.

"Understand what I can do," Powell said, according to the report. "I can tow your truck. I can charge you with fleeing. I can make your night very difficult."

"I understand," Moats responded. "I hope you'll be a great person and not do that."

Hospital security guards then arrived and told Powell that the Moatses' relative really was upstairs dying, the newspaper reported. But Powell spent several minutes inside his squad car, checking Moats for outstanding warrants. He found none.

Another hospital staff member emerged from the hospital and spoke with a Plano police officer who had arrived on the scene. "Hey, that's the nurse," the Plano officer told Powell, according to the Morning News. "She said that the mom's dying right now, and she's wanting to know if they can get him up there before she dies."

"All right," Powell replied, according to the report. "I'm almost done."

As Moats signed the ticket, Powell made another point.

"Attitude's everything," he said, the newspaper reported. "All you had to do is stop, tell me what was going on. More than likely, I would have let you go."

Powell, hired in January 2006, did not return a call for comment, the newspaper reported. But Dallas Assistant Chief Floyd Simpson said Powell told police officials that he believed that he was doing his job.

"When people are in distress, we should come to the rescue," Simpson said, according to the report. "We shouldn't further their distress."

Electus Unus

03-26-2009, 01:53 PM

You had to know reverse racism would raise its head in this.

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 01:55 PM

That's just sad....and you seem to hear this kind of stuff MORE and MORE!!

And some wonder why I am jaded!!

pirate4state

03-26-2009, 02:02 PM

I wanna know how long he was "chasing" him after he rolled through the red light. I understand not wanting to stop because of what was happening, {side note: if my mother is dying of cancer, i'm not leaving her side} but do we know that as soon as he did stop he explained to the officer what the emergency was?

It was pretty crappy what the police officer did. I mean, I think the wife walking away and ignoring him while shouting "my mom is dying" would have been sufficient. He could have escorted them inside and then still issued a ticket, but HE had to show his attitude and that's what irks me! I can't stand cops with chips on their shoulders.

waterboy

03-26-2009, 02:12 PM

Why didn't he just put on his flashers? According to the peace officers I've spoken with, unless you're driving erratically they usually won't stop you if you have your flashers on. I know this because a couple years ago I drove from my home in Gilmer to a hospital in Paris because my mother-in-law was about to pass away. I had to stop at a gas station in Pittsburg to get gas, and there were some highway patrolmen in the store. I explained to them what was going on, and they said I could drive over the speed limit (they didn't specify how much :D ) so long as I called ahead and drove with my flashers on. Although I did get stopped in Mt. Pleasant, I didn't get a ticket, and they let me go very quickly. I made the 80 mile trip in a little over 50 minutes even though I made two stops.:clap: Unfortunately, we didn't get there in time to see her before she passed away.:(

BTW, I did find out how fast my car will go before the governor will shut it down! 115 mph!:eek:

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by pirate4state
I can't stand cops with chips on their shoulders.

Amen Sista!!!

I know that most cops are good guys, but I have known a few like this, (that I know FOR A FACT, were picked on all through school ) and I think this is their way of "giving back."

Bullaholic

03-26-2009, 02:18 PM

The officer was just plain wrong in this incident. One simple phone call to the hospital to verify the claims should have resulted in a quick stop and release.

In an officer's defense---not this one---If every person who offered up an excuse for running a red light was let go----it would be extremely hard to enforce the traffic laws fairly.

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 02:22 PM

I may have missed it in the article above, but the Dallas Paper is reporting that the cop pulled a gun on Moats before he ever even made it out of the car!!

Article (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html?ocp=48#slcgm_comme nts_anchor)

Lt. Maverick

03-26-2009, 02:25 PM

pretty pathetic.

I thought if you were in a situtaion like this you could call the DPS or sheriffs or PD and they would escort you? DPS are some great people and I have much respect for them, and I believe they would have helped this man and anyone else.

waterboy

03-26-2009, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Lt. Maverick
pretty pathetic.

I thought if you were in a situtaion like this you could call the DPS or sheriffs or PD and they would escort you? DPS are some great people and I have much respect for them, and I believe they would have helped this man and anyone else.
I agree. Read my post above. They didn't escort me, but they did give me the green light to speed......and no, I didn't call ahead of time to let the different municipalities know what was going on. There wasn't time......yet they did let me make it.

Bullaholic

03-26-2009, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I may have missed it in the article above, but the Dallas Paper is reporting that the cop pulled a gun on Moats before he ever even made it out of the car!!

Article (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html?ocp=48#slcgm_comme nts_anchor)

Again---no defense for this officer's behavior in this situation---but here is the other side of the coin.....

http://www.ktvu.com/news/18983600/detail.html

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by waterboy
Why didn't he just put on his flashers? :

According to one of the articles I read where the video was shown....they said you could clearly see in the video that his flashers WERE on!

waterboy

03-26-2009, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
According to one of the articles I read where the video was shown....they said you could clearly see in the video that his flashers WERE on!
Man, I didn't see that. That cop was DEFINITELY wrong! The department did the RIGHT thing by taking this jerk off the streets, IMO!

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by waterboy
Man, I didn't see that. That cop was DEFINITELY wrong! The department did the RIGHT thing by taking this jerk off the streets, IMO!

I would like to see the video myself!:)

injuredinmelee

03-26-2009, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by waterboy
Man, I didn't see that. That cop was DEFINITELY wrong! The department did the RIGHT thing by taking this jerk off the streets, IMO!

While it is sad that he missed his mother in laws final moments the cop was ust doing his job. If they believed every word spoken to them they wouldnt be a very good cop. I am not defending him but he was doing his job and I cant fault hm for that.

lakers

03-26-2009, 02:41 PM

i would really like to meet the officer and have a little payback session...:mad: :mad:

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 02:49 PM

Here is the video...

Video Link (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html)

I haven't watched it all yet, but they both sound a little "irritated" to me....I can see why Moats is more than the police.

Heck....they were pulled up practically at the ER entrance...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that what he is saying is more than likely legit!!

He..the cop...just keeps jacking his jaw...wasting time...:rolleyes:

BwdLions

03-26-2009, 02:52 PM

I realize that cops hear lots of stories and excuses, but common sense needs to come into play too. This case seems obvious to me that the family had a legitimate emergency and the cop was just being a jerk.

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 03:05 PM

After watching the entire thing......I can't defend the cop!!

Lt. Maverick

03-26-2009, 03:08 PM

after seeing this the cop is just an idiot! a security and a nurse tryed to tell him something...... then it sounded like he didn't even care after the whole incident. he should without a doubt lose his job!!!

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Lt. Maverick
after seeing this the cop is just an idiot! a security and a nurse tryed to tell him something...... then it sounded like he didn't even care after the whole incident. he should without a doubt lose his job!!!

I don't know if I was hearing correctly, but it sounded like Security was trying to tell the power tripped jerk that Moats was the Power of Attorney for his mother in law and they needed him BEFORE she died!!!

Farmersfan

03-26-2009, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by injuredinmelee
While it is sad that he missed his mother in laws final moments the cop was ust doing his job. If they believed every word spoken to them they wouldnt be a very good cop. I am not defending him but he was doing his job and I cant fault hm for that.

Finally someone with a little sense.
In the first place you are reacting again to a dang media version of the truth. We all know the media will sensationalize a story. They will do everything possible to make it a race issue. Why don't we wait until the TRUTH comes out before we pass judgement?
In the second place: Lets say a normal cop makes probably 200 stops a week. In 175 of those stops the cop is told some kind of sob story about dying moms, dads or babies. The funny thing about all these people talking trash about the cop is if the cop had let the man go and he had carried assault weapons into the hospital and killed everyone in the hospital they would be the first ones screaming for his head for not doing his job. You guys are pathetic. (I mean that with the utmost respect)....:D

pirate4state

03-26-2009, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Finally someone with a little sense.
In the first place you are reacting again to a dang media version of the truth. We all know the media will sensationalize a story. They will do everything possible to make it a race issue. Why don't we wait until the TRUTH comes out before we pass judgement?
In the second place: Lets say a normal cop makes probably 200 stops a week. In 175 of those stops the cop is told some kind of sob story about dying moms, dads or babies. The funny thing about all these people talking trash about the cop is if the cop had let the man go and he had carried assault weapons into the hospital and killed everyone in the hospital they would be the first ones screaming for his head for not doing his job. You guys are pathetic. (I mean that with the utmost respect)....:D With all due respect SHUT UP already :D

Farmersfan

03-26-2009, 03:38 PM

I stand corrected. I would have to say this cop was way off base. After seeing that security and the nurses told him he should have responded differently. He was a horrible jerk even though the truth is he most likely followed proper proceedure. (minus the smart mouth)......It most likley will cost him his job.

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I stand corrected. I would have to say this cop was way off base. After seeing that security and the nurses told him he should have responded differently. He was a horrible jerk even though the truth is he most likely followed proper proceedure. (minus the smart mouth)......It most likley will cost him his job.

I take it you watched the video??

Farmersfan

03-26-2009, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I take it you watched the video??

You can't argue with video. I think most are way too quick to jump on our boys in blue but in this case he deserves what he gets for just being a overall ass! But I don't think he broke the law or did anything that he wasn't trained to do. But sometimes you have to SEE what is really going on around you.

Gobbler Fan

03-26-2009, 03:56 PM

The cop was totally wrong . :tisk: I hope he felt like a piece of crap after it all went down . That I have the Badge and Im right attitude just gets me more ticked .

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
You can't argue with video. I think most are way too quick to jump on our boys in blue but in this case he deserves what he gets for just being a overall ass! But I don't think he broke the law or did anything that he wasn't trained to do. But sometimes you have to SEE what is really going on around you.

I don't think anyone is saying he broke the law.....IMO, he just took full advantage of it to throw his weight around, "just because he could."

Me, Deb and Rita have been accused of that a time or twenty!!:D

pirate4state

03-26-2009, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I don't think anyone is saying he broke the law.....IMO, he just took full advantage of it to throw his weight around, "just because he could."

Me, Deb and Rita have been accused of that a time or twenty!!:D

BECAUSE I CAN!

waterboy

03-26-2009, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by pirate4state
BECAUSE I CAN!
Yeah, but it don't mean you're right!:p :devil:

:D

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by waterboy
Yeah, but it don't mean you're right!:p :devil:

:D

We don't have to be right, we have all the power.....that's the beauty of it!! http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/stock/thumb_smiley-sign0106.gif

:kiss:

pirate4state

03-26-2009, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by waterboy
Yeah, but it don't mean you're right!:p :devil:

:D

You haven't been paying attention have you? We don't care! bahaha :devil: ;)

waterboy

03-26-2009, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
We don't have to be right, we have all the power.....that's the beauty of it!! http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/stock/thumb_smiley-sign0106.gif

:kiss:
I'm sure glad y'all ain't cops!:doh: I'd be under the jail!:D

waterboy

03-26-2009, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by pirate4state
You haven't been paying attention have you? We don't care! bahaha :devil: ;)
Oh, I know........:p :hand:

:D

Phil C

03-26-2009, 04:35 PM

The thing is that it involved a pro football player. I wonder if it would have made headlines if it had been an ordinary working person no matter what race they were.

DDBooger

03-26-2009, 04:42 PM

This wasn't a race issue, just a jerk issue. If you get pulled over, you want it to be a DPS, at least they're pleasant in a crappy situation.

Phil C

03-26-2009, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
This wasn't a race issue, just a jerk issue. If you get pulled over, you want it to be a DPS, at least they're pleasant in a crappy situation.

I agree. What I meant was that if it had been an ordinary person other than a pro football player or someone known this would probably have not even hit the news.

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 04:47 PM

DDBooger

03-26-2009, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by Phil C
I agree. What I meant was that if it had been an ordinary person other than a pro football player or someone known this would probably have not even hit the news. I understood that, and it happens quite a bit. I agree with Farmersfan, they do get a bad rap by the highlighting of the bad ones, but police deal with more tense situations than most average individuals will. I think they need longer vacations and those who don't adapt need a new job.

waterboy

03-26-2009, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by DDBooger
This wasn't a race issue, just a jerk issue. If you get pulled over, you want it to be a DPS, at least they're pleasant in a crappy situation.
This is true. DPS troopers do seem to have a more pleasant demeanor. And I agree with you about it not being a race issue, just a jerk issue. I don't care what color you are, wrong is wrong. No need in bringing up race because it's a nonfactor in this case. The cop was just being overzealous, overbearing, and pushing his weight around. I know..........I've seen this type of behavior up close and personal.:D

DU_stud04

03-26-2009, 04:54 PM

i got pulled over one time and was asked to step out of the car. it was around midnight and was going over to a buddies to play some video games. cop was kinda rude, seemed really pissed off about something so i let him do what he wanted. he handcuffed me and sat me on the curb and proceeded to search my car(told me for security reasons since he was alone). as he was searching it he told me he spotted me in my parking lot acting suspicious then saw me stuff something inside my trunk. after trying to correct him i told me i was a liar and insisted i was hiding drugs in my trunk. the suspicious acts was me wandering around on the phone talking with my current girlfriend(had my bluetooth on).... i like finishing my conversations befor i get in the car...what i put in my trunk was a batting glove i had in my pocket from the intramural game i just came from. after tearing up my trunk and inside my car he came over to me telling me i got lucky today, grunted some other words and took off. sadly this isn't the first or last encounter with the cops i've had where i had no idea what was going on.

DDBooger

03-26-2009, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by DU_stud04
i got pulled over one time and was asked to step out of the car. it was around midnight and was going over to a buddies to play some video games. cop was kinda rude, seemed really pissed off about something so i let him do what he wanted. he handcuffed me and sat me on the curb and proceeded to search my car(told me for security reasons since he was alone). as he was searching it he told me he spotted me in my parking lot acting suspicious then saw me stuff something inside my trunk. after trying to correct him i told me i was a liar and insisted i was hiding drugs in my trunk. the suspicious acts was me wandering around on the phone talking with my current girlfriend(had my bluetooth on).... i like finishing my conversations befor i get in the car...what i put in my trunk was a batting glove i had in my pocket from the intramural game i just came from. after tearing up my trunk and inside my car he came over to me telling me i got lucky today, grunted some other words and took off. sadly this isn't the first or last encounter with the cops i've had where i had no idea what was going on. so don't leave us in suspense, where did you leave the brick?:D

goosealaniz

03-26-2009, 05:51 PM

after i watched the video... that cop was a... well... i cant say that word here... but you get the idea

KingRob

03-26-2009, 06:18 PM

WOW! That cop is a reincarnation of a Gestapo officer! Dang, what a heartless jerk. Even after the nurse came down, he said, yea, I'm almost done. Telling the guy that he could screw him over was just flat out horrible

Somebody is going to be out of a job, and somebody is going to get some money!

Back in '84 I had an appointment at the Houston MEPS station to join the Air Force. I was running late (didn't run late after joining the military, they get ya for that), and was going 10 miles over the speed limit. The smokey asked me where I was going, so I told him. He said he was prior Air Force, so I thought he would be cool. He wasn't. He gave me a ticket (fair enough). Then told me to be sure and pay the fine or my commander could get involved. I asked him what made him think I wouldn't pay the fine. He said, "I ask the questions here, understand?" I got scared and didn't say anything. After checking my record, he told me to get going and to make sure he didn't have to stop me again. My stomach was knots all the way to Houston!

PHS Wildcats

03-26-2009, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Phil C
The thing is that it involved a pro football player. I wonder if it would have made headlines if it had been an ordinary working person no matter what race they were.

In this case Phil C I would say yes, because according to FOX4 news in Dallas. It was brought to light because the Plano officer at the scene went and told his Superior about the incident because he couldn't let that type of behavior slide and it was relayed to the N. Dallas branch.

I don't trust any cops but that's just me. This incident has nothing to do with race. He was arrogant and stupid:mad:

Ranger Mom

03-26-2009, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by PHS Wildcats
In this case Phil C I would say yes, because according to FOX4 news in Dallas. It was brought to light because the Plano officer at the scene went and told his Superior about the incident because he couldn't let that type of behavior slide and it was relayed to the N. Dallas branch.

I don't trust any cops but that's just me. This incident has nothing to do with race. He was arrogant and stupid:mad:

Hats off to the Plano officer!!

Does innocent until proven guilty even exist anymore??

PHS Wildcats

03-26-2009, 08:51 PM

guess not

Matthew328

03-26-2009, 09:09 PM

Thats whats so bad, another police officer and nurses came out and the cop was still a jerk...

GreenMonster

03-27-2009, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by injuredinmelee
While it is sad that he missed his mother in laws final moments the cop was ust doing his job. If they believed every word spoken to them they wouldnt be a very good cop. I am not defending him but he was doing his job and I cant fault hm for that. I disagree. Doing your job sometimes means you need to be able to read between the lines and determine what is right and what is wrong. The guy clearly had his flashers on and obviously stopped in a hospital parking lot. That in itself should have screamed to the officer in question that there is some kind of emergency. The fact that he pulled his gun on these people in the hospital parking lot shows his total disregard for the wellbeing of these people. He never asked them what their emergency was or anything. What if that was you and one of your children needed medical attention and you hopped out of your car only to have to stare down the barrel of a gun? It was chickenschitt and everyone knows it. Use of a little common sense and a little compassion and this whole thing turns into a happy feel good story with the officer getting acclaim instead of suspensions.

garciap77

03-27-2009, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
We don't have to be right, we have all the power.....that's the beauty of it!! http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/stock/thumb_smiley-sign0106.gif

:kiss: :ack!:

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Hats off to the Plano officer!!

Does innocent until proven guilty even exist anymore??

It went out the window the first time a "INNOCENT" person shot a cop between the eyes in a traffic stop. I don't agree with any of these actions by bad cops but I like to think I am smart enough to understand where they come from. With the conditions we have created for all Law Enforcement it is a miracle we don't see this more often. And everytime something like this get dragged through the media and the cops are made out to be the "bad guys" we go further down the road to insuring that only BAD GUYS will be cops.......
Everybody wants good cops who can use judgement and common sense yet anytime they do use judgement and common sense they get nailed big time. They are paid to uphold the law. The law is not suppose to be subjective. It's a horrible thing this cop did but there are only two facts to this story that have any relavence at all:

1. Mr. Moats ran a red light.
2. Running a red light is illegal.

All the other stuff is just emotional reaction. If the Mother-in-Law had passed away 30 minutes later we aren't even discussing this. The cop was a jerk and will lose his job because of it but he WAS doing his job.

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
It went out the window the first time a "INNOCENT" person shot a cop between the eyes in a traffic stop. I don't agree with any of these actions by bad cops but I like to think I am smart enough to understand where they come from. With the conditions we have created for all Law Enforcement it is a miracle we don't see this more often. And everytime something like this get dragged through the media and the cops are made out to be the "bad guys" we go further down the road to insuring that only BAD GUYS will be cops.......
Everybody wants good cops who can use judgement and common sense yet anytime they do use judgement and common sense they get nailed big time. They are paid to uphold the law. The law is not suppose to be subjective. It's a horrible thing this cop did but there are only two facts to this story that have any relavence at all:

1. Mr. Moats ran a red light.
2. Running a red light is illegal.

All the other stuff is just emotional reaction. If the Mother-in-Law had passed away 30 minutes later we aren't even discussing this. The cop was a jerk and will lose his job because of it but he WAS doing his job.

I don't think the fact that he was doing his job was ever in question here.

Heck...even the Police Chief couldn't even defend him:

(Excerpt from an ESPN article)

Dallas Police Chief David Kunkle apologized to the family and announced that Powell would be on paid leave pending an internal investigation.

"When we at the command staff reviewed the tape, we were embarrassed, disappointed," Kunkle said. "It's hard to find the right word and still be professional in my role as the police chief. But the behavior was not appropriate."

Kunkle said the video showed that Moats and his wife "exercised extraordinary patience, restraint in dealing with the behavior of our officer."

"At no time did Mr. Moats identify himself as an NFL football player or expect any kind of special consideration," Kunkle said. "He handled himself very, very well."

link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4017382)

You think the jerk could have used a little common sense here and realized they ran a red light, had flashers on, parked by an Emergency Room entrance. I can't count the times the idiot was told, "SHE IS DYING!!!!" Heck, if he was so concerned that this flagrant law breaker was gonna get away without getting his justly deserved traffic citation, he could have escorted him in the hospital.

I have to agree with the Chief of Police, this officer showed "NO COMMON SENSE, NO DISCRETION & NO COMPASSION."......and look where it landed him. Ticket was dropped, Moats and family got a personal apology and the "chip on his shoulder cop" is off the streets, for now...THANK GOD!!!!

I commend the guys in blue who lay their lives on the line every day for us......but it just takes a jerk like this one...(and after seeing the entire tape, I don't see how ANYONE can defend his behavior)...to make you leery of the rest.

Just my opinion, of course!!:)

sic'em

03-27-2009, 09:32 AM

i read this morning that the cop had only been following moats for 20 seconds. so it wasn't a chase thing either. it also said this morning that the cop forgot to turn the video off before he started talking to another officer and was explaining to him how he "worded" a report back in january to make it ok for him to have been in a high speed chase. this is the type of guy that gives the profession a bad name. there are too many like him out there and their actions get swept under the rug b/c being a police officer is seen as a respectable job.

as for race, it is good that the moats aren't claiming race, but there is never a way to tell if prejudice is a motivator in a situation like this. it is impossible to know if the policeman would have reacted to same way to a 55 year old white male in a business suit. of course, i would make a heavy bet that he wouldn't have. whether that is because of age, race, or social status its impossible to tell.

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by GreenMonster
I disagree. Doing your job sometimes means you need to be able to read between the lines and determine what is right and what is wrong. The guy clearly had his flashers on and obviously stopped in a hospital parking lot. That in itself should have screamed to the officer in question that there is some kind of emergency. The fact that he pulled his gun on these people in the hospital parking lot shows his total disregard for the wellbeing of these people. He never asked them what their emergency was or anything. What if that was you and one of your children needed medical attention and you hopped out of your car only to have to stare down the barrel of a gun? It was chickenschitt and everyone knows it. Use of a little common sense and a little compassion and this whole thing turns into a happy feel good story with the officer getting acclaim instead of suspensions.

So you advocate cops using judgement and common sense? Would this be YOUR judgement and common sense or THEIRS? And does this apply to all circumstances or just those that get in the newspapers?
If you consider for a moment that judgement is based on your experiences then it would be expected that a cop, who sees thousands of people a week who all claim to be rushing to the hospital because of a dying family member, would naturally be apprehensive in this case. Right? And take into account that 99% of the time when a person jumps out of the vehicle after a traffic stop and runs away it means something illegal is going on then wouldn't you also verify that things were what they seemed before you just allowed everyone to leave the scene? This cop screwed up when he didn't adjust his approach when he finally learned the truth but we can't say he didn't do his job.

waterboy

03-27-2009, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I don't think the fact that he was doing his job was ever in question here.

Heck...even the Police Chief couldn't even defend him:

(Excerpt from an ESPN article)

Dallas Police Chief David Kunkle apologized to the family and announced that Powell would be on paid leave pending an internal investigation.

"When we at the command staff reviewed the tape, we were embarrassed, disappointed," Kunkle said. "It's hard to find the right word and still be professional in my role as the police chief. But the behavior was not appropriate."

Kunkle said the video showed that Moats and his wife "exercised extraordinary patience, restraint in dealing with the behavior of our officer."

"At no time did Mr. Moats identify himself as an NFL football player or expect any kind of special consideration," Kunkle said. "He handled himself very, very well."

link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4017382)

You think the jerk could have used a little common sense here and realized they ran a red light, had flashers on, parked by an Emergency Room entrance. I can't count the times the idiot was told, "SHE IS DYING!!!!" Heck, if he was so concerned that this flagrant law breaker was gonna get away without getting his justly deserved traffic citation, he could have escorted him in the hospital.

I have to agree with the Chief of Police, this officer showed "NO COMMON SENSE, NO DISCRETION & NO COMPASSION."......and look where it landed him. Ticket was dropped, Moats and family got a personal apology and the "chip on his shoulder cop" is off the streets, for now...THANK GOD!!!!

I commend the guys in blue who lay their lives on the line every day for us......but it just takes a jerk like this one...(and after seeing the entire tape, I don't see how ANYONE can defend his behavior)...to make you leery of the rest.

Just my opinion, of course!!:)
:clap: :clap: :iagree:

That was beautiful! .....and eloquent!:2thumbsup

goosealaniz

03-27-2009, 09:35 AM

pirate4state

03-27-2009, 09:38 AM

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I don't think the fact that he was doing his job was ever in question here.

Heck...even the Police Chief couldn't even defend him:

(Excerpt from an ESPN article)

Dallas Police Chief David Kunkle apologized to the family and announced that Powell would be on paid leave pending an internal investigation.

"When we at the command staff reviewed the tape, we were embarrassed, disappointed," Kunkle said. "It's hard to find the right word and still be professional in my role as the police chief. But the behavior was not appropriate."

Kunkle said the video showed that Moats and his wife "exercised extraordinary patience, restraint in dealing with the behavior of our officer."

"At no time did Mr. Moats identify himself as an NFL football player or expect any kind of special consideration," Kunkle said. "He handled himself very, very well."

link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4017382)

You think the jerk could have used a little common sense here and realized they ran a red light, had flashers on, parked by an Emergency Room entrance. I can't count the times the idiot was told, "SHE IS DYING!!!!" Heck, if he was so concerned that this flagrant law breaker was gonna get away without getting his justly deserved traffic citation, he could have escorted him in the hospital.

I have to agree with the Chief of Police, this officer showed "NO COMMON SENSE, NO DISCRETION & NO COMPASSION."......and look where it landed him. Ticket was dropped, Moats and family got a personal apology and the "chip on his shoulder cop" is off the streets, for now...THANK GOD!!!!

I commend the guys in blue who lay their lives on the line every day for us......but it just takes a jerk like this one...(and after seeing the entire tape, I don't see how ANYONE can defend his behavior)...to make you leery of the rest.

Just my opinion, of course!!:)

There is no defense for his actions. And he will lose his job for it. But it is a FACT that we cannot have our Law Enforcement using judgment when enforcing the law. We scream profiling, racism, sexism, descrimination and 1000 other ism's everytime a cop uses judgement in this country. The number of stories about cops using judgment to let crimminals go who then proceed to commit crimes are all over the place. This is only a story becuase the mother-in-law passed away during this stop. Without that fact this is just another traffic stop with a loud mouth cop.

Electus Unus

03-27-2009, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by DU_stud04
i got pulled over one time and was asked to step out of the car. it was around midnight and was going over to a buddies to play some video games. cop was kinda rude, seemed really pissed off about something so i let him do what he wanted. he handcuffed me and sat me on the curb and proceeded to search my car(told me for security reasons since he was alone). as he was searching it he told me he spotted me in my parking lot acting suspicious then saw me stuff something inside my trunk. after trying to correct him i told me i was a liar and insisted i was hiding drugs in my trunk. the suspicious acts was me wandering around on the phone talking with my current girlfriend(had my bluetooth on).... i like finishing my conversations befor i get in the car...what i put in my trunk was a batting glove i had in my pocket from the intramural game i just came from. after tearing up my trunk and inside my car he came over to me telling me i got lucky today, grunted some other words and took off. sadly this isn't the first or last encounter with the cops i've had where i had no idea what was going on. I would have been a nonchalant smart ass to him and made him feel less than me.

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by pirate4state
No one is saying he didn't do his job, we are just saying he did it POORLY. I'm sure you comprehend that, you just like to argue.

I agree 100% with you. He did it very poorly. But lets talk about this a moment. This was 13 minutes out of a 3 year career that were done very, very poorly. Does he deserve to lose his career for that? Perhaps. But then examine WHAT might have caused him to act the way he did. Doesn't excuse it but maybe explains it. I'm saying the system is broken so why be surprised when you see "broken" cops trying to do the job. Either fix the system or get use to what we have.
And you are correct: I like to argue! :D

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
There is no defense for his actions. And he will lose his job for it. But it is a FACT that we cannot have our Law Enforcement using judgment when enforcing the law. We scream profiling, racism, sexism, descrimination and 1000 other ism's everytime a cop uses judgement in this country. The number of stories about cops using judgment to let crimminals go who then proceed to commit crimes are all over the place. This is only a story becuase the mother-in-law passed away during this stop. Without that fact this is just another traffic stop with a loud mouth cop.

That's a novel idea....a cop that doesn't use any judgment!!:thumbsup:

Gotta love those loud mouth cops though!! I got stopped several years ago, and rightly so, for speeding in a school zone. The cop was a HUGE jerk to me and I was as polite as I could be.

The only reason I even fought the ticket was because of the lies the arrogant SOB was telling me.

I was driving the same route I had always driven to and from work for the past 8 years and had never seen a school zone sign, when I asked him when they put it in...he said, "if you were a better driver, you would know that it has been there for years!!"

He said he he had stopped people speeding in that school zone for YEARS....well, considering the fact that he couldn't have been much over 20, I found that laughable.

But...in true Ranger Mom style, I did my research. On that 1/2 mile stretch of road, going in ONE direction, there were 47 signs.

Also, I got my ticket on January 7th, come to find out, the school zone sign had just been put in over CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS!!!! That cop HAD been stopping people speeding through that school zone, but not for years, but merely a WEEK!!

I fought it, requested that he be in the courtroom....which, of course he didn't show! The judge said she had received many complaints against that "young whipper snapper" (as she referred to him). I showed her my "picture evidence" saying that I honestly did not notice one more sign going in, and yes, I was speeding in a school zone. The "normal' speed limit had been 30 and that is what I was clocked at. I also said, I felt there should be blinking lights when they put a school zone in like that, and she agreed.

Because I had NOTHING on my driving record, and never had, she dropped the ticket....and lo and behold, there are now flashing lights at that school zone.

Had the cop not been so cocky, for absolutely NO reason, and blatantly lied through his teeth, I probably would have just let it go...but as I drove home that, the more I thought about it, the more pissed I got!! I got to keep my clean record, and got reprimanded....so there!!:tongue: :tongue: :D

pirate4state

03-27-2009, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I agree 100% with you. He did it very poorly. But lets talk about this a moment. This was 13 minutes out of a 3 year career that were done very, very poorly. Does he deserve to lose his career for that? Perhaps. But then examine WHAT might have caused him to act the way he did. Doesn't excuse it but maybe explains it. I'm saying the system is broken so why be surprised when you see "broken" cops trying to do the job. Either fix the system or get use to what we have.
And you are correct: I like to argue! :D

I'll indulge you for a moment, but then I have work to do.

You are assuming that these 13 minutes are his only strike in his 3 year career. Based on what I saw, MY assumption is that he has had these kind of run-ins before, so yes, IMO he should lose his job.

Nothing explains away bad behavior. You have a crappy life? People picked on you as a kid? I'm sorry...GET OVER IT! I don't buy into that crap. Everyone has free will.

And I never said I was surprised by his behavior.

I grew up around law enforcement so I respect the badge, but I also know that they aren't perfect or bullet proof, nor should they be.

Lion_Addict

03-27-2009, 10:08 AM

I hate cops....................... :D

ronwx5x

03-27-2009, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
That's a novel idea....a cop that doesn't use any judgment!!:thumbsup:

Gotta love those loud mouth cops though!! I got stopped several years ago, and rightly so, for speeding in a school zone. The cop was a HUGE jerk to me and I was as polite as I could be.

The only reason I even fought the ticket was because of the lies the arrogant SOB was telling me.

I was driving the same route I had always driven to and from work for the past 8 years and had never seen a school zone sign, when I asked him when they put it in...he said, "if you were a better driver, you would know that it has been there for years!!"

He said he he had stopped people speeding in that school zone for YEARS....well, considering the fact that he couldn't have been much over 20, I found that laughable.

And civilization is safer for it!

But...in true Ranger Mom style, I did my research. On that 1/2 mile stretch of road, going in ONE direction, there were 47 signs.

Also, I got my ticket on January 7th, come to find out, the school zone sign had just been put in over CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS!!!! That cop HAD been stopping people speeding through that school zone, but not for years, but merely a WEEK!!

I fought it, requested that he be in the courtroom....which, of course he didn't show! The judge said she had received many complaints against that "young whipper snapper" (as she referred to him). I showed her my "picture evidence" saying that I honestly did not notice one more sign going in, and yes, I was speeding in a school zone. The "normal' speed limit had been 30 and that is what I was clocked at. I also said, I felt there should be blinking lights when they put a school zone in like that, and she agreed.

Because I had NOTHING on my driving record, and never had, she dropped the ticket....and lo and behold, there are now flashing lights at that school zone.

Had the cop not been so cocky, for absolutely NO reason, and blatantly lied through his teeth, I probably would have just let it go...but as I drove home that, the more I thought about it, the more pissed I got!! I got to keep my clean record, and got reprimanded....so there!!:tongue: :tongue: :D :smoker:

Electus Unus

03-27-2009, 10:10 AM

I have to agree with my boys from NWA.

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 10:11 AM

PPSTATEBOUND

03-27-2009, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
That's a novel idea....a cop that doesn't use any judgment!!:thumbsup:

Gotta love those loud mouth cops though!! I got stopped several years ago, and rightly so, for speeding in a school zone. The cop was a HUGE jerk to me and I was as polite as I could be.

The only reason I even fought the ticket was because of the lies the arrogant SOB was telling me.

I was driving the same route I had always driven to and from work for the past 8 years and had never seen a school zone sign, when I asked him when they put it in...he said, "if you were a better driver, you would know that it has been there for years!!"

He said he he had stopped people speeding in that school zone for YEARS....well, considering the fact that he couldn't have been much over 20, I found that laughable.

But...in true Ranger Mom style, I did my research. On that 1/2 mile stretch of road, going in ONE direction, there were 47 signs.

Also, I got my ticket on January 7th, come to find out, the school zone sign had just been put in over CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS!!!! That cop HAD been stopping people speeding through that school zone, but not for years, but merely a WEEK!!

I fought it, requested that he be in the courtroom....which, of course he didn't show! The judge said she had received many complaints against that "young whipper snapper" (as she referred to him). I showed her my "picture evidence" saying that I honestly did not notice one more sign going in, and yes, I was speeding in a school zone. The "normal' speed limit had been 30 and that is what I was clocked at. I also said, I felt there should be blinking lights when they put a school zone in like that, and she agreed.

Because I had NOTHING on my driving record, and never had, she dropped the ticket....and lo and behold, there are now flashing lights at that school zone.

Had the cop not been so cocky, for absolutely NO reason, and blatantly lied through his teeth, I probably would have just let it go...but as I drove home that, the more I thought about it, the more pissed I got!! I got to keep my clean record, and got reprimanded....so there!!:tongue: :tongue: :D

:clap: :clap: :clap:

waterboy

03-27-2009, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan

And you are correct: I like to argue! :D [/B]
:eek: Now there's a quote we need to save!:D

waterboy

03-27-2009, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Oh yeah....I like to argue too!:D
:eek: Whaaaa?? You?? Like to argue??:eek: Noooooo.....!:eek:

:D

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by waterboy
:eek: Whaaaa?? You?? Like to argue??:eek: Noooooo.....!:eek:

:D

I know...it's hard to believe!!

I can be quite talkative at times too!!

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I have a feeling this 13 minute "caught on tape" was not his first rodeo!!

Oh yeah....I like to argue too!:D

In your own words:

"Does innocent until proven quilty even exist anymore?"

There sure is a lot of assuming going on in here!!!!!

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by waterboy
:eek: Now there's a quote we need to save!:D

I tend to look at it as-

spreading the enlightenment.

When so much is bestowed on one person that person is behoved to share with others.

waterboy

03-27-2009, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I tend to look at it as-

spreading the enlightenment.

When so much is bestowed on one person that person is behoved to share with others.
But......don't you have to be enlightened to spread enlightenment??:devil: :taunt:

j.k.:D
....or am I?:evillol:

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
In your own words:

"Does innocent until proven quilty even exist anymore?"

There sure is a lot of assuming going on in here!!!!!

I think innocent until proven guilty was a nice idea....but I don't see it happen much, IMO!!

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I think innocent until proven guilty was a nice idea....but I don't see it happen much, IMO!!

Because "JUDGEMENT" gets in the way.
It is ironic that you would ask where the idea of "innocent until proven quilty" has gone and then turn around and ruin a 3 year career based on judgment rather than proof of quilt............
Just an observation!

:) :)

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Because "JUDGEMENT" gets in the way.
It is ironic that you would ask where the idea of "innocent until proven quilty" has gone and then turn around and ruin a 3 year career based on judgment rather than proof of quilt............
Just an observation!

:) :)

Yeah......I am the one gunning for him to lose his job. :rolleyes:

I would have to look back, but I honestly don't remember saying anywhere that he should be fired. I just said THANK GOD he was off the streets!!!

Just an observation!!:kiss:

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Yeah......I am the one gunning for him to lose his job. :rolleyes:

I would have to look back, but I honestly don't remember saying anywhere that he should be fired. I just said THANK GOD he was off the streets!!!

Just an observation!!

Your comment about this not being his first rodeo would be construed as a YES vote to the question of whether this cop should lose his job. If not, this is your chance to set the record straight: Ranger Mom, Do you think this young man should lose his job because of 13 minutes of bad judgement in a 3 years career????

_______________YES. ______________NO.

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Your comment about this not being his first rodeo would be construed as a YES vote to the question of whether this cop should lose his job. If not, this is your chance to set the record straight: Ranger Mom, Do you think this young man should lose his job because of 13 minutes of bad judgement in a 3 years career????

_______________YES. ______________NO.

I said "not his first rodeo" because I don't think in 3 years that this is the FIRST time he has acted that way...sorry, but I just don't believe it!!

I am sorry you construed it differently than what it was.

And lastly.....I feel like I am straight out of a George Strait song with that big "check Yes or No box!!!:p

Do I think he should lose his job? not necessarily. Should he be patroling our streets? Not right now. Should he receive some kind of counseling/training? Probably.

I will never see it how you see it....so we are at an impasse!

marler1972

03-27-2009, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Your comment about this not being his first rodeo would be construed as a YES vote to the question of whether this cop should lose his job. If not, this is your chance to set the record straight: Ranger Mom, Do you think this young man should lose his job because of 13 minutes of bad judgement in a 3 years career????

_______________YES. ______________NO.

Hell yes he should lose his job. Did you not hear him brag to the plano officer about wording his report just right so he could get in a chase back in January. If I am not mistaken that is the same chase that alot of cops got in trouble about. Moats did break the law by running the red light but the circumstance around it has made it ok the Police department trashed the ticket.

Bull's-eye

03-27-2009, 11:59 AM

This is a very sad situation, one that gives the other fine officers a bad rap. This man didn't show any compassion for this family or do his job as a policeman. He should of gave them an escort to the hospital or do what he would of done if it had been his own family. How can we respect law officials when you have people like this? Some people let their authority go to their head, they probably shouldn't be in law enforcement. Just think, if he would of gave them an escort, they would probably be thanking him that they got to spend a few more precious moments with their loved one.

garciap77

03-27-2009, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Lion_Addict
I hate cops....................... :D

:lies:

;)

garciap77

03-27-2009, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
.................................................. .................................

Oh yeah....I like to argue too!:D

:thinking:

:D

;)

Lion_Addict

03-27-2009, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by garciap77
:lies:

;)

Didn't think anyone was ever gonna notice, LOL!
But I'm pretty much getting used to being ignored here so......... :(

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I said "not his first rodeo" because I don't think in 3 years that this is the FIRST time he has acted that way...sorry, but I just don't believe it!!

I am sorry you construed it differently than what it was.

And lastly.....I feel like I am straight out of a George Strait song with that big "check Yes or No box!!!:p

Do I think he should lose his job? not necessarily. Should he be patroling our streets? Not right now. Should he receive some kind of counseling/training? Probably.

I will never see it how you see it....so we are at an impasse!

I see it how you see it!!!!! I also think this cop should lose his job. And that is nothing but an emotional response.
But I also like to think I see this for what it really is. It's the court of public opinion and any public servant loses in that court. Not a single law, rule, ordinance, policy or charter was broken by this cop. He was quilty of nothing but being a jerk. So I asked the question should he lose his job for 13 minutes of bad attitude in a 3 year career? If they have other simular incidents on record for him and he has been counseled previously then he deserves to be forced out. But if this is his only discretion then he deserves the benefit of a doubt.

marler1972

03-27-2009, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I see it how you see it!!!!! I also think this cop should lose his job. And that is nothing but an emotional response.
But I also like to think I see this for what it really is. It's the court of public opinion and any public servant loses in that court. Not a single law, rule, ordinance, policy or charter was broken by this cop. He was quilty of nothing but being a jerk. So I asked the question should he lose his job for 13 minutes of bad attitude in a 3 year career? If they have other simular incidents on record for him and he has been counseled previously then he deserves to be forced out. But if this is his only discretion then he deserves the benefit of a doubt.

Yes he did break a policy if you are saying the entire 13 minutes. He spoke about how he worded a previous report so he could join in a chase. That is against policy. What you have now is a lawers dream anything Powell did in the past will be brought up and possibly thrown out of court or overturned and cost the city money.

pirate4state

03-27-2009, 12:38 PM

Why am I not surprised that Farmersfan is STILL talking! :D errrrrrrrr posting :p

garciap77

03-27-2009, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I see it how you see it!!!!! I also think this cop should lose his job. And that is nothing but an emotional response.
But I also like to think I see this for what it really is. It's the court of public opinion and any public servant loses in that court. Not a single law, rule, ordinance, policy or charter was broken by this cop. He was quilty of nothing but being a jerk. So I asked the question should he lose his job for 13 minutes of bad attitude in a 3 year career? If they have other simular incidents on record for him and he has been counseled previously then he deserves to be forced out. But if this is his only discretion then he deserves the benefit of a doubt.

This young officer should be put on probation, and not be allowed to patrol until he has been retrained. At this time, I feel he is a hazard to the public

garciap77

03-27-2009, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by pirate4state
Why am I not surprised that Farmersfan is STILL talking! :D errrrrrrrr posting :p

:thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

Originally posted by Farmersfan
.................................................. ....................................
And you are correct: I like to argue! :D

;)

mustang04

03-27-2009, 01:00 PM

I had a run-in with a douche-bag Sherrif's deputy one time.....i hate cops like this...HATE, as in literally if i ever saw that same deputy getting attacked by someone he pulled over, I would not help, and wouldn't even think twice about it.

ronwx5x

03-27-2009, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by pirate4state
Why am I not surprised that Farmersfan is STILL talking! :D errrrrrrrr posting :p

Why am I not surprised P4S is still going from thread to thread growling?:D

mustang04

03-27-2009, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
So you advocate cops using judgement and common sense? Would this be YOUR judgement and common sense or THEIRS? And does this apply to all circumstances or just those that get in the newspapers?
If you consider for a moment that judgement is based on your experiences then it would be expected that a cop, who sees thousands of people a week who all claim to be rushing to the hospital because of a dying family member, would naturally be apprehensive in this case. Right? And take into account that 99% of the time when a person jumps out of the vehicle after a traffic stop and runs away it means something illegal is going on then wouldn't you also verify that things were what they seemed before you just allowed everyone to leave the scene? This cop screwed up when he didn't adjust his approach when he finally learned the truth but we can't say he didn't do his job.

dude....really, I know good and well cops pull people no telling how many times for speeding and probably hear "i had an emergency" i agree with you on that....but Moats had his flashers on, parked in a hospital parking lot, didnt even mouth anything bad.....the cop was in the wrong and you know it

pirate4state

03-27-2009, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by ronwx5x
Why am I not surprised P4S is still going from thread to thread growling?:D Shoot, that's nothing!

pirate4state

03-27-2009, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by mustang04
dude....really, I know good and well cops pull people no telling how many times for speeding and probably hear "i had an emergency" i agree with you on that....but Moats had his flashers on, parked in a hospital parking lot, didnt even mouth anything bad.....the cop was in the wrong and you know it Reggie, Reggie...he just likes to argue. right or wrong don't matter. Just like I enjoy annoying people I know dislike me! :devil: :D

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by pirate4state
Why am I not surprised that Farmersfan is STILL talking! :D errrrrrrrr posting :p

Come on now! I post for a couple of hours during the day and you guys post for the other 22 hours. Then when I come back on here I have to defend the righteous from all of ya'lls backward thinking................... I can turn the channel and concentrate solely on my paperwork if that pleases you! But based on what I have seen lately this would be a lonely, boring place without SF66, ronx5x and I.

mustang04

03-27-2009, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by pirate4state
Reggie, Reggie...he just likes to argue. right or wrong don't matter. Just like I enjoy annoying people I know dislike me! :devil: :D

haha, touche

well, either way i think anyone who defends this cop has a lack of some common sense. period.

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by pirate4state
Reggie, Reggie...he just likes to argue. right or wrong don't matter. Just like I enjoy annoying people I know dislike me! :devil: :D

But in this case I'm right!!!!!!:clap: :clap:

pirate4state

03-27-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Come on now! I post for a couple of hours during the day and you guys post for the other 22 hours. Then when I come back on here I have to defend the righteous from all of ya'lls backward thinking................... I can turn the channel and concentrate solely on my paperwork if that pleases you! But based on what I have seen lately this would be a lonely, boring place without SF66, ronx5x and I. I don't post nearly as much as you do these days! :thinking:

mustang04

03-27-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
But in this case I'm right!!!!!!:clap: :clap:

yeah, you're just as right as I am black

:rolleyes:

pirate4state

03-27-2009, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by mustang04
yeah, you're just as right as I am black

:rolleyes:

:D haha

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by mustang04
haha, touche

well, either way i think anyone who defends this cop has a lack of some common sense. period.

I don't think anyone is defending him. I think we are debating the extent of his wrongness. (if that is even a word). I am posting my views on this subject from a philosophical, moral and emotional perspective. Emotionally I would say he is a big jerk and should get fired today. Morally I think he needs some major guideance and counseling and perhaps a little probation. But phlosphically he did nothing wrong in this 13 minute traffic stop. No law dictates that a cop must let someone off the hook for a traffic violation just because they have a family emergency.
Now! How's that for a bunch of nonsense? :confused:

GreenMonster

03-27-2009, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
So you advocate cops using judgement and common sense? Would this be YOUR judgement and common sense or THEIRS? And does this apply to all circumstances or just those that get in the newspapers?
If you consider for a moment that judgement is based on your experiences then it would be expected that a cop, who sees thousands of people a week who all claim to be rushing to the hospital because of a dying family member, would naturally be apprehensive in this case. Right? And take into account that 99% of the time when a person jumps out of the vehicle after a traffic stop and runs away it means something illegal is going on then wouldn't you also verify that things were what they seemed before you just allowed everyone to leave the scene? This cop screwed up when he didn't adjust his approach when he finally learned the truth but we can't say he didn't do his job. They weren't claiming anything, flashers were on and they were parked just outside the emergency room entrance and this guy pulled a gun on them and ordered them back into the car before he ever asked what the emergency was. Then at the end of the confrontation he had the audacity to tell them that all they had to do was stop and explain what was going on and he probably would have let them go. How many of those "thousands of people a week" claiming to be rushing to the hospital have their flashers on and actually drive to the ER before stopping? How many of these "thousands" ask for the officer repeatedly to please hurry with the ticket. I never said he wasn't doing his job, he was just OVER doing his job. Pulling your gun is an overreaction, especially when you are in a hospital parking lot.

mustang04

03-27-2009, 01:25 PM

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I don't think anyone is defending him. I think we are debating the extent of his wrongness. (if that is even a word). I am posting my views on this subject from a philosophical, moral and emotional perspective. Emotionally I would say he is a big jerk and should get fired today. Morally I think he needs some major guideance and counseling and perhaps a little probation. But phlosphically he did nothing wrong in this 13 minute traffic stop. No law dictates that a cop must let someone off the hook for a traffic violation just because they have a family emergency.
Now! How's that for a bunch of nonsense? :confused:

I guess I am just in one of those argumentative moods today!

Again...the argument isn't whether he deserved the ticket or not....it is the treatment the man got. But....I already went over this in one of my other posts!!!

Thank goodness the DPS officer that stopped my ex husband when I was in labor with my daughter chose to escort us from Odessa to Midland rather then write him a ticket, because she was born 13 minutes after I got there!!

Hey....that is ironically the amount of time the police detained Moats.

She would have born in the hospital parking lot!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

mustang04

03-27-2009, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom

She would have born in the hospital parking lot!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

then had a gun pulled on her by a cop for not coming to a complete stop before "proceeding through the intersection", eh? hahaha

waterboy

03-27-2009, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I don't think anyone is defending him. I think we are debating the extent of his wrongness. (if that is even a word). I am posting my views on this subject from a philosophical, moral and emotional perspective. Emotionally I would say he is a big jerk and should get fired today. Morally I think he needs some major guideance and counseling and perhaps a little probation. But phlosphically he did nothing wrong in this 13 minute traffic stop. No law dictates that a cop must let someone off the hook for a traffic violation just because they have a family emergency.
Now! How's that for a bunch of nonsense? :confused:
If you want to defend this cop I've got a question, or two, or three, or more for you:

How many other people in a different profession would get away with talking to a client or customer in the manner in which he talked? I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, but if I were to talk to a customer like that (I'm in sales, BTW) I would be FIRED on the spot! There wouldn't be ANY suspension WITH pay! That's doing this guy a favor! 13 minutes? It don't even have to take a minute to lose your job in other professions. So I ask you, what makes a policeman any different from anyone else, and why should he get to keep his job? He screwed up and deserves to be fired. Maybe he can find another profession where he can get away with this type of behavior. NOT!

ronwx5x

03-27-2009, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I guess I am just in one of those argumentative moods today!

Again...the argument isn't whether he deserved the ticket or not....it is the treatment the man got. But....I already went over this in one of my other posts!!!

Thank goodness the DPS officer that stopped my ex husband when I was in labor with my daughter chose to escort us from Odessa to Midland rather then write him a ticket, because she was born 13 minutes after I got there!!

Hey....that is ironically the amount of time the police detained Moats.

She would have born in the hospital parking lot!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

Yeah, but you had the evidence to prove your point!!!!!!!!!:cool:

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 01:41 PM

I didn't realize you could even be arrested for running a red light!!:eek:

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by ronwx5x
Yeah, but you had the evidence to prove your point!!!!!!!!!:cool:

Well....maybe!!

When we got to the hospital I told the nurse I was in labor and she looked at me and told me I wasn't!! I assured her I was and she told me that I didn't look like I was in labor.

I'm sorry that I am not one of the people that writhe around on the floor in pain.

I told her this was my 3rd kid and I was pretty sure I knew what was going on....they got me to the room, examined me....WOW, I was fully dilated!! Two pushes later and there was my daughter!!!

So....the point to this story is, I guess I was lucky that the DPS officer believed me, because I didn't LOOK like I was in labor.

pirate4state

03-27-2009, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I didn't realize you could even be arrested for running a red light!!:eek: You can't. He was gonna arrest him for evading or some other BS charge.

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by pirate4state
You can't. He was gonna arrest him for evading or some other BS charge.

Here is the quote from the transcript:

POWELL: “If you want to keep this going, I’ll just put you in handcuffs and I’ll take you to jail for running a red light. Understand what I can do. I can tow your truck. I can charge you with fleeing. I can make your night very difficult.”

So....he does say he can take him to jail for running a red light!

pirate4state

03-27-2009, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Here is the quote from the transcript:

POWELL: “If you want to keep this going, I’ll just put you in handcuffs and I’ll take you to jail for running a red light. Understand what I can do. I can tow your truck. I can charge you with fleeing. I can make your night very difficult.”

So....he does say he can take him to jail for running a red light! Well, haven't we established that he is an idiot? :D

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by waterboy
If you want to defend this cop I've got a question, or two, or three, or more for you:

How many other people in a different profession would get away with talking to a client or customer in the manner in which he talked? I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, but if I were to talk to a customer like that (I'm in sales, BTW) I would be FIRED on the spot! There wouldn't be ANY suspension WITH pay! That's doing this guy a favor! 13 minutes? It don't even have to take a minute to lose your job in other professions. So I ask you, what makes a policeman any different from anyone else, and why should he get to keep his job? He screwed up and deserves to be fired. Maybe he can find another profession where he can get away with this type of behavior. NOT!

At what point in this interchange between the cop and Mr. Moats did Mr. Moats become a customer? You are comparing two different relationships. This one was between a law breaker and a law enforcer.
And you ask why it's different for a cop than for YOU. The biggest difference is that YOU don't have to be concerned with your customer shooting you in your head and making a widow out of your children. And YOU don't have to deal with people on a daily basis who would shoot you in the head at the drop of a hat if you let down your gaurd for one minute. So I would say it might be a little bit different. But that's just me!

mustang04

03-27-2009, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
At what point in this interchange between the cop and Mr. Moats did Mr. Moats become a customer? You are comparing two different relationships. This one was between a law breaker and a law enforcer.
And you ask why it's different for a cop than for YOU. The biggest difference is that YOU don't have to be concerned with your customer shooting you in your head and making a widow out of your children. And YOU don't have to deal with people on a daily basis who would shoot you in the head at the drop of a hat if you let down your gaurd for one minute. So I would say it might be a little bit different. But that's just me!

yeah well HE (the cop) didn't HAVE to choose that profession, now did he? They know the risks, but that doesn't mean act as if every person is going to shoot you because that leads to judgements, then assumptions, then next thing you know someone innocent getting shot....don't get me wrong I appreciate police officers, well the honest, good ones, for doing so much for us.....but i think there are so many in the force that don't belong there

DDBooger

03-27-2009, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by mustang04
yeah well HE (the cop) didn't HAVE to choose that profession, now did he? They know the risks, but that doesn't mean act as if every person is going to shoot you because that leads to judgements, then assumptions, then next thing you know someone innocent getting shot....don't get me wrong I appreciate police officers, well the honest, good ones, for doing so much for us.....but i think there are so many in the force that don't belong there do they steroid test cops? My god some these guys are freaks on the CCPD

PPSTATEBOUND

03-27-2009, 02:13 PM

How bout a cop like this while we are on cops.....

should have been a emergency call FOR SURE........cops show instead......... rest is bad, bad history....

Kid falls 35 feet off over pass bridge..tremendous head injury, along with broken neck.....How do our finest help the poor boy........BY TAZZERING 19 TIMES...OMG I feel sorry for this family.....

after 5 naw maybe 10 no make it 15 ...I prolly would have been saying something pretty unpleasent to them also..."Chief justifies every taze with "he wasnt compliying with police orders"...WELL DUUH...like he cant move...........I can see it..... laying there broke neck.....okay son you have 10 seconds to get up......Who are you people" head trauma and NO CLUE"......hes not complying....taz 1, taz 2, taz 3, hes still not responding, taz 4, taz 5, taz 6, taz 7, taz 8, still uncoperative, taz 9, taz 10, taz 11, taz 12, taz 13, nope boy still does not get message, taz 14, taz 15, taz 16..still not coperating...taz 17..taz 18...taz 19....

what d-bags.

check it out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqhsnLNzjwE

waterboy

03-27-2009, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
At what point in this interchange between the cop and Mr. Moats did Mr. Moats become a customer? You are comparing two different relationships. This one was between a law breaker and a law enforcer.
And you ask why it's different for a cop than for YOU. The biggest difference is that YOU don't have to be concerned with your customer shooting you in your head and making a widow out of your children. And YOU don't have to deal with people on a daily basis who would shoot you in the head at the drop of a hat if you let down your gaurd for one minute. So I would say it might be a little bit different. But that's just me!
How do YOU know? I guess you don't read newspapers or listen to the news, but people who have customers and cash CAN be in harm's way. I said it was a comparison akin to apples and oranges, which I guess you chose not to read, but the principle is the SAME! You can't treat people the way that cop did and get away with it, or shouldn't. When dealing with the public you have to keep your head, I don't care WHAT profession you're in. That cop lost it and should lose his job, not get PAID suspension! If he can't HANDLE HIS JOB better than that he should find another profession! Any other person in any other profession would NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE, they would be FIRED on the spot! He made a mistake and should be PUNISHED ACCORDINGLY!

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by mustang04
Dude.....first off, you don't even back up your statement right, LEGALLY he did nothing wrong in that 13 minute traffic stop, PHILOSPHICALLY I think he did a lot of wrong....so to answer your question "How's that for a bunch of nonsense" well your whole post was just that, a bunch of nonsense:rolleyes:

Dude!
First off, how do you know what my philosophy is. I purposely left out the legal side of it because that is not founded on opinion. The Philosphical, Moral, and Emotional sides of this story was what I was commenting on because those were the only sides that are based on opinion.
So would you kindly keep your eyerolls to yourself!!!!!:hand: :hand:

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by waterboy
How do YOU know? I guess you don't read newspapers or listen to the news, but people who have customers and cash CAN be in harm's way. I said it was a comparison akin to apples and oranges, which I guess you chose not to read, but the principle is the SAME! You can't treat people the way that cop did and get away with it, or shouldn't. When dealing with the public you have to keep your head, I don't care WHAT profession you're in. That cop lost it and should lose his job, not get PAID suspension! If he can't HANDLE HIS JOB better than that he should find another profession! Any other person in any other profession would NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE, they would be FIRED on the spot! He made a mistake and should be PUNISHED ACCORDINGLY!

I think he would make a good prison guard....then he can be an asshole to people who actually might deserve it!

mustang04

03-27-2009, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
Dude!
First off, how do you know what my philosophy is. I purposely left out the legal side of it because that is not founded on opinion. The Philosphical, Moral, and Emotional sides of this story was what I was commenting on because those were the only sides that are based on opinion.
So would you kindly keep your eyerolls to yourself!!!!!:hand: :hand:

well please enlighten me how philosophically he was in the right for pulling a gun on a man and his wife after they rolled through a stop light with their lights flashing before pulling into a hospital....really, PLEASE use philosophy to show me how he was in the right

PPSTATEBOUND

03-27-2009, 02:24 PM

Just bail.....he will argue witha brick wall even it agrees with him......

Love ya Farmersfan:inlove:

waterboy

03-27-2009, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I think he would make a good prison guard....then he can be an asshole to people who actually might deserve it!
Yeah, at least in prison he can marry some big dude named Bubba, or something.:evillol: With him being a cop and all, I don't think he would live very long if he didn't give out a few favors......:thinking: :blush: :evillol: :D

mustang04

03-27-2009, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I think he would make a good prison guard....then he can be an asshole to people who actually might deserve it!

EASY NOW!!!! I think I just read a thread of yours about a guy possibly getting false imprisonment for rape accusations......:)

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by mustang04
yeah well HE (the cop) didn't HAVE to choose that profession, now did he?

Yes he did! He isn't qualified to do anything else! :D His undersized manhood forced him to take a job where he can point a (big) gun at people, talk down to them and get some respect. And you know the funny part in all this? With all this scrutiny and cop bashing and unrealistic expectations we are putting on these guys it is likley this Mr. Powell will look like a great option for a cop in the near future. Why would ANYONE with half a brain put themselves in harms way every single day of their life for 40K a year and public opinion like we now have in our society? Of course most of our cops will have a power trip mentality! Duh!

mustang04

03-27-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Farmersfan
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mustang04
[B]yeah well HE (the cop) didn't HAVE to choose that profession, now did he?

Yes he did! He isn't qualified to do anything else! :D His undersized manhood forced him to take a job where he can point a (big) gun at people, talk down to them and get some respect. And you know the funny part in all this? With all this scrutiny and cop bashing and unrealistic expectations we are putting on these guys it is likley this Mr. Powell will look like a great option for a cop in the near future. Why would ANYONE with half a brain put themselves in harms way every single day of their life for 40K a year and public opinion like we now have in our society? Of course most of our cops will have a power trip mentality! Duh!

well then they can quit beaching about their risks....people on power trips are the WORST

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by mustang04
well please enlighten me how philosophically he was in the right for pulling a gun on a man and his wife after they rolled through a stop light with their lights flashing before pulling into a hospital....really, PLEASE use philosophy to show me how he was in the right

I never said he was in the "right" for pulling his gun. I said he didn't do anything wrong.
In the first place you are judging this cop's initial actions based on your hindsight knowledge.
Can you look at this situation (pulling the gun) without knowing the facts and say the cop was wrong? If so then you have a different philosophy than I do. Anytime the occupants of a traffic stop bail out of the vehicle when it stops I would assume ALL cops would pull their weapons.
The problem is we are looking at his actions with knowledge of the outcome and it makes him look very, very bad. If he could go back and re-do the situation I'm sure he would do it differently.

waterboy

03-27-2009, 03:18 PM

Hindsight is 20/20. You bet he would do it differently! He got in trouble, so, YES, he would do it differently. It don't take a genius to figure that out.:rolleyes: But, on the other hand, did he PERSONALLY offer an apology for screwing up? After the way he acted, then found out the story the Moats were telling was true, he should have been a MAN and insisted on being the first to apologize. I know if I screw up, which I do on occasion:doh: , I'm the FIRST person to apologize. It's called taking responsibility for your own actions.

garciap77

03-27-2009, 03:19 PM

Ranger Mom

03-27-2009, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by garciap77
You are wrong!

Did you not get the memo?? He is NEVER wrong!!

And he will tell you the same thing in 42 different ways to prove his point too!!:D :D

Farmersfan

03-27-2009, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by waterboy
Hindsight is 20/20. You bet he would do it differently! He got in trouble, so, YES, he would do it differently. It don't take a genius to figure that out.:rolleyes: But, on the other hand, did he PERSONALLY offer an apology for screwing up? After the way he acted, then found out the story the Moats were telling was true, he should have been a MAN and insisted on being the first to apologize. I know if I screw up, which I do on occasion:doh: , I'm the FIRST person to apologize. It's called taking responsibility for your own actions.

And I think that was his big mistake. When he finally realized they were telling the truth he should have apoligized and then helped out as much as he could. His ego got in the way of sound decision making. It appeared to me he was going to show them just how important he was regardless of what was going on. A little power hungry maybe? I think he considered himself to be much more significant than they did and it pissed him off. But who knows?