What's the diff between an 3A OC/DC and a 5A OC/DC???

[ratherbfishin]

Thought I'd ask the PROS in hear...

When a HC job opens up, why do most Idiots...oh my bad...SUPERintendents... pick 4A/5A coordinators over 3A/2A coordinators or even 3A/2A head coaches...???

Do they play a different kind of football? Are there different rules? Are they different kids? I don't get it...maybe I've been out of the loop too long...

Case in point if Giddings, Bellville, La Grange coach leaves thier respective school, why would they not hire from within given their success in recent years??? Well, La Grange had very little, but they have had tradition and I would think that place would be a great place to coach and raise a family...



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[pancho villa]

Cause 5A and 4A coaches are better than small school coaches.

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by ratherbfishin
Thought I'd ask the PROS in hear...

When a HC job opens up, why do most Idiots...oh my bad...SUPERintendents... pick 4A/5A coordinators over 3A/2A coordinators or even 3A/2A head coaches...???

Do they play a different kind of football? Are there different rules? Are they different kids? I don't get it...maybe I've been out of the loop too long...

Case in point if Giddings, Bellville, La Grange coach leaves thier respective school, why would they not hire from within given their success in recent years??? Well, La Grange had very little, but they have had tradition and I would think that place would be a great place to coach and raise a family...



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Ill give somewhat of an opinion on this. My opinion is that if the school has been successful and has someone on the staff that is 1) qualified enough to take over the program and 2) a right fit for that schools athletic program as head coach and AD, then that is what they should do...hire from within. That does not mean that every staff that has success has someone on that staff that is the right fit for that school's athletic program. That make any sense at all?

As to why they put stipulations on applying..."must have 4A-5A coord. experience" i really dont know. There are plenty of 3A coordinators and even 2A coords that are just as qualified as the 4A-5A coords.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by pancho villa
Cause 5A and 4A coaches are better than small school coaches. This is gonna cause a problem I bet...:1popcorn:

[ratherbfishin]

Originally posted by pancho villa
Cause 5A and 4A coaches are better than small school coaches.

OHHHHHHHHH....so that's why Todd Didge got his crap kicked in, in 3A Cameron.......

I get it.......:stirpot: Panch!!! :D

[STANG RED]

Thay are no better or worse in general just because of being at a 4A or 5A. They just usually have more talent to choose from. In fact I'm not sure lots of 5A coaches wouldnt struggle at a 3A at least for a while, till they adjust to not having quiet as much talent to choose from most times.

[ratherbfishin]

Originally posted by ratherbfishin
OHHHHHHHHH....so that's why Todd Didge got his crap kicked in, in 3A Cameron.......

I get it.......:stirpot: Panch!!! :D

My bad...it was Todd Dodge...It's happening to him again at N. Tx.

[bps093]

honestly, a coordinator at a smaller school is usually going to have more experience in other sports in that they probably have to coach more sports than a 4 or 5a coordinator. This would give them a broader view of the total overall athletic program, and IMO, may prepare them better for the duties of an AD. I don't think the size of the previous schools that a person works at is any indicator of how good of a coach one is.

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by bps093
honestly, a coordinator at a smaller school is usually going to have more experience in other sports in that they probably have to coach more sports than a 4 or 5a coordinator. This would give them a broader view of the total overall athletic program, and IMO, may prepare them better for the duties of an AD. I don't think the size of the previous schools that a person works at is any indicator of how good of a coach one is.

hard to say that because most of, if not all 4A and 5A coords at some point have had to coach a lot of other sports to get to where they are today. Know what I mean?

[bps093]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
hard to say that because most of, if not all 4A and 5A coords at some point have had to coach a lot of other sports to get to where they are today. Know what I mean?
I know what you are saying and many of the coordinators that I know do have some other coaching experiences, but on the whole do not have as much and as much variety as those from smaller schools.

[ratherbfishin]

Originally posted by bps093
honestly, a coordinator at a smaller school is usually going to have more experience in other sports in that they probably have to coach more sports than a 4 or 5a coordinator. This would give them a broader view of the total overall athletic program, and IMO, may prepare them better for the duties of an AD. I don't think the size of the previous schools that a person works at is any indicator of how good of a coach one is.

:thinking: So now we're talking AD and total program and not winning football championships???

The Head Football Coach/AD(maybe) isn't gonna win you any volleyball or soccer games...

Plus his butt is fired for not winning FOOTBALL games...

I understand you all but no one has given an answer to the question yet...

Except Pancho...lol

[Rabid Cougar]

2A Clifton hired an OC from a 3A over a DC from a 5A.

[Trashman]

Originally posted by ratherbfishin
What's the diff between an 3A OC/DC and a 5A OC/DC???:thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

About 30,000 dollars per year.:D

[Additup]

Originally posted by Rabid Cougar
2A Clifton hired an OC from a 3A over a DC from a 5A.
Inside connections, though...Legacy takes precedence over the A's.

[ASUFrisbeeStud]

Originally posted by Trashman
About 30,000 dollars per year.:D



haha you beat me, that was going to be my response.

[SintonFan]

I agree with both STANG RED and Ernest T Bass, might I add:
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First, coaches from bigger schools have to evaluate from a much larger talent pool and while they might not be better(the coaches), have become somewhat proficient at it.
Coaches from larger schools are better at the politics of coaching... all the intangibles and school-board/Superintendent speak(hiring process) needed to land a HC position.
Coaches who come from a more diversified talent base have an upper hand in HC choices because of their experience.
I have talked to my son's coach, at a 5A middle school(been there for 20 years), several times and it IS different from smaller schools imho.

[bobcat4life]

I think its because the bigger schools get more notariety.
Also, with the exception of Euless Trinity, you need to be multi-dimensionable. It is much easier to be a one dimesional team and be sucessful at the lower levels.

[Looking4number8]

Originally posted by Trashman
About 30,000 dollars per year.:D


Dang brother, we think alike. That is what I was gonna say!

[I_DONT_CARE]

THE NUMBER OF A'S.

[pancho villa]

Coaches at 4A an 5A schools have a much better knowledge of football, and understanding of the game. The coaches at podunk 3A-1A schools are just glad to have a job, because if they could pull their weight they would be coaching at a big school!

[waterboy]

What's the diff between an 3A OC/DC and a 5A OC/DC???

:thinking: 2 "A"s?:D ............and a whole lotta money!:D

[RedWhiteBlue]

Originally posted by waterboy
What's the diff between an 3A OC/DC and a 5A OC/DC???

:thinking: 2 "A"s?:D ............and a whole lotta money!:D
Exactly what I thought 2 days ago when this was first posted.... plus- usually some more work.....:D

[RedWhiteBlue]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
Not more work, just different work. In 5a, the football is pretty advanced, so you're spending ungodly hours on just football stuff. In the lower classes, you're mowing and painting the field, doing laundry, painting fieldhouses, probably coaching both sides of the ball, teaching a full load of classes, etc....
Different opinions......:thinking:

[RedWhiteBlue]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
Speak from experience.
I do.....:doh:

[GreenMonster]

My view on this is that I think many times when there are stipulations requiring previous Hd Coach/ AD or 4A / 5A coordinator to apply is that the district is trying to shorten the hiring process somewhat. The guys with those requested prerequisites have already paid their dues in the eyes of administrators. In their eyes it's like climbing the career ladder. It is perceived to be more difficult to get a 4A /5A coordinator position than a 1A-3A coordinator. In my personal opinion it still boils down to who you know and being in the right place at the right time to get any job that you want. The what you know is important as well, but you can be the world's foremost expert on the pistol offense and still not get a job at school that runs the pistol offense because the AD Head Coach has never heard of you or he has a different point of view of how to run the offense or maybe you just don't interview well. There are a lot of intangibles involved in getting a job. But to really answer the question as to why Supers apply these restrictions, in my opinion, is simply to narrow down the field of applicants without ever having to evaluate any of the resumes. Also, just because they publicly announce the restrictions doesn't mean that they do not invite a select few others to apply or even to interview without having ever applied. It's my understanding that the rules only state that the job must be posted for X amount of days before anyone can be officially hired if that someone hired is from outside the district. They never even have to post the job opening if they choose to hire from within and there are no rules that say you must apply in advance in order to be hired by the district.

[STANG RED]

Originally posted by pancho villa
Coaches at 4A an 5A schools have a much better knowledge of football, and understanding of the game. The coaches at podunk 3A-1A schools are just glad to have a job, because if they could pull their weight they would be coaching at a big school!

Dang it's only February Pancho, and your already trying for dumbest post of the year. C'mon man you have 10 more months to go. A little early for going all in already aint it?