Texas Leads the Nation in

[orange machine]

Police Officer deaths yikes :eek:

[Orange Defense]

Originally posted by orange machine
Police Officer deaths yikes :eek:

Well that's a real downer!!!

[orange machine]

Lets just hope that none of the officers on this site join that statistic.

[LH Panther Mom]

Any stats on how many of the deaths occurred after/during a 3ADL football chat session? :thinking: :thinking: ;)

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
This is mostly due to the drug wars in the Texas/Mexico border towns and the New Orleans transplants.
:thinking: not denying that, but can you provide the documentation or news reports stating that, or whatever report you are reading that connects the two predicaments with the police officer deaths? sounds interesting.
Texas officer deaths (http://www.odmp.org/search.php?searching=1&yearfrom=2008&yearto=2008&state=TX)

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
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In Louisiana, there's a law that once you are arrested, they have 60 days to get you to trial or you walk. So, murder in Louisiana is a very minor ordeal, even against a police officer(they call them "60 day murders" in New Orleans).

not exactly true..they have 60 days to charge you, not bring you to trial

[Astrosdawg07]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
Actually, we're both wrong. They have 60 days to indict you.

Still thats quick. In Jasper Co. alone, indictments take up to a year.

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
Nope, can give you my dad's phone number, though. He's been a police officer for 33 years. That's where I get my info. Right now, working as a police officer in a border town in Texas qualifies you for hazzard pay.
In Louisiana, there's a law that once you are arrested, they have 60 days to get you to trial or you walk. So, murder in Louisiana is a very minor ordeal, even against a police officer(they call them "60 day murders" in New Orleans). When the New Orleans folks came to Texas, they assumed we had the same law, so they were pretty casual with when,who, and why they killed. This included police officers.
Of course, we all know, Texas has no such law, so there were many shocked defendants. After finding that Texas law enforcement isn't the joke that Louisiana is, many of them went back home. This is why there are so few in Houston now, and even fewer in Dallas. see but when the thread was made about DEATHS, you stated this was mostly due to two scenarios, the link I provided obviously showed many of them to be accidents or not in the vicinity of border towns. Your dad ,while a contextual source, is hardly a criminology expert in the sense that he has a hold of data explaining the obvious false pretense you stated. My father has worked on the railroad for 35 years, I don't ask him for trade import/export patterns between Texas and Mexico, he obviously knows what he gathers in his vicinity. Now perhaps the two scenarios you listed are increasing the amount of criminal activity, but I lived in a border town from '06 through Dec. 07, parents still live in Laredo. It's a big controversy in Laredo about who should get the funding in this circular waste basket of legally, unintended, created black markets.

On the idea that criminals said in a macro sense, oh Texas law is no joke, lets return to Lousiana, lol again, please provide a source for this, or is this from your father? To me it would seem disposessed people just wanted to go home, and in the wake of that, the criminals within that population followed.

[RMAC]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
This is mostly due to the drug wars in the Texas/Mexico border towns and the New Orleans transplants.

I was going to say the same thing. Last night my dad was telling me about when he was younger he and his buddies would go across in Laredo and spend the weekend in Mexico. Now its so bad you don't even want to go to the Texas side of Laredo. :(

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by RMAC
I was going to say the same thing. Last night my dad was telling me about when he was younger he and his buddies would go across in Laredo and spend the weekend in Mexico. Now its so bad you don't even want to go to the Texas side of Laredo. :( lmao I lived there from mid '06 to dec 07..it isn't that bad at all, aside from the same neighborhoods that have been bad forever. As far as NUEVO LAREDO side, pretty bad, but still busses of elderly going across for their meds. You guys should stop reading into the negativity and see it for yourself. North and West Laredo are great areas and some of the most exclusive homes I've seen. Border towns aren't so bad, the cities on the other side not so safe. Cutting of the head of one cartel simply destabilizes a STABLE drug corridor, as crazy as that sounds. Drug War:rolleyes:

[turbostud]

I live in a border town, actually a border region(RGV) and there is not that much crime here. You have your usual stuff but other than that its not that bad. The politicians screw up worse than anybody down here.
Also I lived in the 9th Ward in New Orleans for 2 years and one year all the bars had a murder pool. If I remember right it ended aroud 387.

[slpybear the bullfan]

Anyone have a police death per capita comparison or police death per population comparison by state? A little googling failed to turn one over?

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by slpybear the bullfan
Anyone have a police death per capita comparison or police death per population comparison by state? A little googling failed to turn one over? clink on the link i provided further up in the thread. that website had lots of info

[slpybear the bullfan]

All I saw was a total for each state... no time bounding, etc.

I was more curious to see where is the most dangerous place to be an officer, and what the causes of death were. For example, one site I looked at showed that the largest % cause of deaths from '92 - '97 in Texas were from traffic accidents. (and that California led the nation during those years for Officer deaths).

I was just wanting to know per % of police force where the highest casualties were.

Regardless, I am very thankful for all that wear the badge. Very ugly job, not envious.

[ibricky20]

These are all of the officers killed in the line of duty for 2008 in Texas. EOW=End Of Watch/Day they were killed.

Deputy Constable David Joubert
Harris County Constable's Office - Precinct 7, TX
EOW: Sunday, January 13, 2008
Cause of Death: Motorcycle accident

Police Officer Matthew B. Thebeau
Corpus Christi Police Department, TX
EOW: Sunday, January 20, 2008
Cause of Death: Automobile accident

Corporal Harry Thielepape
Harris County Constable's Office - Precinct 6, TX
EOW: Wednesday, February 20, 2008
Cause of Death: Gunfire

Senior Corporal Victor A. Lozada Sr.
Dallas Police Department, TX
EOW: Friday, February 22, 2008
Cause of Death: Motorcycle accident

Trooper James Scott Burns
Texas Department of Public Safety - Texas ..., TX
EOW: Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Cause of Death: Gunfire

Police Officer Everett William Dennis
Carthage Police Department, TX
EOW: Tuesday, June 3, 2008
Cause of Death: Automobile accident

Sergeant Barbara Jean Shumate
Texas Department of Criminal Justice, TX
EOW: Friday, June 13, 2008
Cause of Death: Automobile accident

Police Officer Gary Gryder
Houston Police Department, TX
EOW: Sunday, June 29, 2008
Cause of Death: Vehicular assault

Detective Tommy Keen
Harris County Sheriff's Department, TX
EOW: Monday, September 15, 2008
Cause of Death: Accidental

Game Warden George Harold Whatley Jr.
Texas Parks and Wildlife Department - Law ..., TX
EOW: Friday, October 10, 2008
Cause of Death: Heart attack

Trinity County Sheriff's Department, TX
EOW: Thursday, November 27, 2008
Cause of Death: Vehicle pursuit

Police Officer Robert Davis
San Antonio Police Department, TX
EOW: Monday, December 1, 2008
Cause of Death: Struck by vehicle

Police Officer Timothy Abernethy
Houston Police Department, TX
EOW: Sunday, December 7, 2008
Cause of Death: Gunfire

Police Officer Mark Simmons
Amarillo Police Department, TX
EOW: Wednesday, December 17, 2008
Cause of Death: Automobile accident



This breaks it down into the cause of death, month the officer died and by state.



Total Line of Duty Deaths for 2008: 132
9/11 related illness: 1
Accidental: 1
Aircraft accident: 4
Assault: 1
Automobile accident: 39
Bomb: 2
Drowned: 1
Duty related illness: 2
Electrocuted: 1
Exposure to toxins: 1
Gunfire: 36
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 5
Motorcycle accident: 8
Stabbed: 2
Struck by vehicle: 11
Train accident: 1
Vehicle pursuit: 3
Vehicular assault: 11


By Month for 2008:
January: 14
February: 11
March: 5
April: 3
May: 9
June: 14
July: 7
August: 14
September: 19
October: 14
November: 12
December: 10


By State for 2008:
Alabama: 3
Arizona: 4
Arkansas: 2
California: 11
Colorado: 1
Connecticut: 1
Florida: 8
Georgia: 6
Illinois: 4
Indiana: 2
Iowa: 1
Kentucky: 2
Louisiana: 5
Maryland: 5
Massachusetts: 1
Michigan: 2
Mississippi: 1
Missouri: 5
Montana: 1
Nevada: 1
New Jersey: 2
New Mexico: 1
New York: 5
North Carolina: 4
Ohio: 5
Oklahoma: 3
Oregon: 2
Pennsylvania: 7
Puerto Rico: 2
Railroad Police: 1
South Carolina: 3
Tennessee: 2
Texas: 14
Tribal Police: 1
U.S. Government: 6
Utah: 1
Virgin Islands: 1
Virginia: 4
Washington: 1
Wisconsin: 1

Credit www.odmp.org

[ibricky20]

these go back to 2000. With the exception of 2001 (New York) Texas or California have led the nation in law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty.


By State 2007:

Alabama: 5
Arizona: 5
Arkansas: 1
California: 10
Colorado: 2
District of Columbia: 1
Florida: 16
Georgia: 6
Guam: 1
Hawaii: 2
Idaho: 1
Illinois: 2
Indiana: 7
Iowa: 1
Kansas: 1
Kentucky: 3
Louisiana: 9
Maryland: 4
Massachusetts: 2
Michigan: 1
Minnesota: 1
Mississippi: 2
Missouri: 6
Montana: 1
New Hampshire: 1
New Jersey: 4
New Mexico: 2
New York: 14
North Carolina: 8
Ohio: 7
Oregon: 1
Pennsylvania: 2
Puerto Rico: 2
South Carolina: 6
Tennessee: 1
Texas: 22
Tribal Police: 1
U.S. Government: 17
Utah: 1
Virgin Islands: 1
Virginia: 2
Washington: 2
West Virginia: 2
Wisconsin: 1
Wyoming: 1


By State 2006:

Alabama: 4
Arizona: 2
Arkansas: 2
California: 16
Colorado: 3
Connecticut: 1
District of Columbia: 1
Florida: 9
Georgia: 7
Hawaii: 1
Illinois: 8
Indiana: 3
Kansas: 2
Kentucky: 3
Louisiana: 5
Maine: 1
Maryland: 5
Massachusetts: 1
Michigan: 3
Minnesota: 1
Mississippi: 2
Missouri: 1
Montana: 2
Nevada: 1
New Hampshire: 1
New Jersey: 3
New Mexico: 2
New York: 10
Ohio: 5
Oklahoma: 2
Pennsylvania: 3
Puerto Rico: 3
South Carolina: 1
Tennessee: 3
Texas: 11
U.S. Government: 7
Utah: 1
Virginia: 10
Washington: 3
West Virginia: 1
Wisconsin: 2
Wyoming: 1


By State 2005:

Alabama: 4
Arizona: 5
Arkansas: 2
California: 18
Colorado: 1
District of Columbia: 2
Florida: 6
Georgia: 9
Illinois: 4
Indiana: 3
Kansas: 2
Kentucky: 3
Louisiana: 6
Maryland: 1
Massachusetts: 2
Michigan: 5
Minnesota: 3
Mississippi: 6
Missouri: 8
New Jersey: 4
New Mexico: 2
New York: 8
North Carolina: 4
Ohio: 2
Oklahoma: 4
Pennsylvania: 5
Puerto Rico: 2
Rhode Island: 1
South Carolina: 4
Tennessee: 4
Texas: 15
U.S. Government: 9
Virginia: 7
Washington: 1


By State 2004:

Alabama: 9
Arizona: 4
Arkansas: 1
California: 13
Colorado: 1
Connecticut: 1
Delaware: 1
District of Columbia: 2
Florida: 12
Georgia: 5
Hawaii: 1
Illinois: 7
Indiana: 4
Iowa: 1
Kentucky: 1
Louisiana: 7
Maryland: 3
Michigan: 8
Minnesota: 1
Mississippi: 1
Missouri: 3
Nebraska: 1
Nevada: 1
New Jersey: 2
New Mexico: 1
New York: 11
North Carolina: 6
Ohio: 2
Pennsylvania: 7
Puerto Rico: 5
South Carolina: 2
South Dakota: 1
Tennessee: 7
Texas: 15
U.S. Government: 9
Utah: 1
Virgin Islands: 1
Virginia: 1
Washington: 2
Wisconsin: 2


By State 2003:

Alabama: 4
Alaska: 1
Arizona: 1
Arkansas: 2
California: 18
Connecticut: 1
Florida: 7
Georgia: 9
Hawaii: 2
Idaho: 1
Illinois: 3
Indiana: 4
Iowa: 1
Kansas: 1
Kentucky: 3
Louisiana: 7
Maryland: 3
Michigan: 3
Mississippi: 1
Missouri: 2
Montana: 2
Nebraska: 1
New Jersey: 4
New York: 4
North Carolina: 6
Ohio: 3
Oklahoma: 1
Oregon: 2
Pennsylvania: 3
Puerto Rico: 2
South Carolina: 6
South Dakota: 1
Tennessee: 7
Texas: 10
U.S. Government: 2
Utah: 2
Vermont: 2
Virginia: 8
Washington: 4
Wisconsin: 3


By State 2002:

Alabama: 4
Alaska: 1
Arizona: 5
Arkansas: 2
California: 10
Colorado: 2
Florida: 6
Georgia: 4
Idaho: 1
Illinois: 5
Indiana: 1
Kentucky: 3
Louisiana: 3
Maryland: 6
Massachusetts: 1
Michigan: 3
Minnesota: 2
Mississippi: 2
Missouri: 6
Nebraska: 1
Nevada: 1
New Jersey: 1
New Mexico: 2
New York: 8
North Carolina: 7
Ohio: 5
Oklahoma: 1
Oregon: 3
Pennsylvania: 4
Puerto Rico: 11
South Carolina: 10
Tennessee: 4
Texas: 14
Tribal Police: 2
U.S. Government: 9
Utah: 2
Virginia: 3
Washington: 2
Wisconsin: 2



By State 2001:

Alabama: 4
Alaska: 3
Arizona: 2
Arkansas: 1
California: 12
Colorado: 5
Delaware: 1
District of Columbia: 1
Florida: 9
Georgia: 3
Hawaii: 1
Idaho: 2
Illinois: 8
Indiana: 7
Kansas: 1
Kentucky: 3
Louisiana: 1
Maryland: 3
Massachusetts: 2
Michigan: 4
Mississippi: 5
Missouri: 6
Nevada: 1
New Jersey: 3
New Mexico: 6
New York: 69
North Carolina: 10
Ohio: 6
Oklahoma: 1
Oregon: 2
Pennsylvania: 4
Puerto Rico: 8
Rhode Island: 1
South Carolina: 1
Tennessee: 6
Texas: 20
Tribal Police: 1
U.S. Government: 11
Utah: 3
Virginia: 2
Washington: 2
West Virginia: 1


By State 2000:

Alabama: 1
Arizona: 3
Arkansas: 2
California: 10
Colorado: 1
Connecticut: 1
Florida: 7
Georgia: 13
Illinois: 4
Indiana: 5
Kansas: 4
Kentucky: 1
Louisiana: 7
Maryland: 9
Massachusetts: 4
Michigan: 6
Minnesota: 2
Mississippi: 3
Missouri: 5
New Jersey: 2
New York: 5
North Carolina: 5
Ohio: 4
Oklahoma: 4
Oregon: 1
Pennsylvania: 3
Puerto Rico: 4
Rhode Island: 1
South Carolina: 6
Tennessee: 10
Texas: 15
Tribal Police: 1
U.S. Government: 4
Utah: 2
Washington: 2
West Virginia: 2
Wisconsin: 4

[IHStangFan]

Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
This is mostly due to the drug wars in the Texas/Mexico border towns and the New Orleans transplants. not to mention the size of Texas.....lots of miles of highways, roadways, several cities w/ fairly large populations, etc. I wonder if this statistic is based on a "per capita" basis or just off of numbers alone.