College quarterbacks

[swstangs001]

On tv this morning Todd Mcshay said, "Sam Bradford was the most accurate QB in all of college football", but Colt Mccoy does have a better completion percentage so technically wouldnt that make him more accurate? I'm not sure who is leading the nation in completion percentage, but..........
What are your thoughts, and who do you think would be considered "the most accurate"?

[thatboiwes]

Originally posted by swstangs001
On tv this morning Todd Mcshay said, "Sam Bradford was the most accurate QB in all of college football", but Colt Mccoy does have a better completion percentage so technically wouldnt that make him more accurate? I'm not sure who is leading the nation in completion percentage, but..........
What are your thoughts, and who do you think would be considered "the most accurate"?


Also have to factor in how many dropped passes the recievers have.

I think overall, Sam is more accurate.

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by thatboiwes

I think overall, Sam is more accurate.
Based on what?

[thatboiwes]

Originally posted by Emerson1
Based on what?

My opinion.

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by Emerson1
Based on what?

gilmer people dont like facts. ask buckeye80. ;)

[thatboiwes]

Originally posted by rockdale80
gilmer people dont like facts. ask buckeye80. ;)

Here are some stats for you. Below is the overall Big 12 Pass Efficiency stats for the 2008 season:



PASS EFFICIENCY Team Cl G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Eff.
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Bradford, Sam....... OU SO 7 238 170 5 71.4 2520 26 192.2
2. Robinson, Zac....... OSU JR 7 134 94 4 70.1 1488 14 191.9
3. McCoy, Colt........... UT JR 7 197 160 3 81.2 1894 19 190.8
4. Daniel, Chase....... MU SR 7 249 189 5 75.9 2373 18 175.8
5. Harrell, Graham..... TTU SR 7 318 222 5 69.8 2761 23 163.5
6. Ganz, Joe.............. NU SR 7 224 157 6 70.1 1967 12 156.2
7. Reesing, Todd....... KU JR 7 280 195 5 69.6 2322 17 155.8
8. Freeman, Josh....... KSU JR 7 210 131 2 62.4 1746 12 149.2
9. Griffin, Robert........ BU FR 7 155 94 0 60.6 1271 9 148.7
10.Johnson, Jerrod... TAMU SO 7 184 114 4 62.0 1372 11 140.0
11.Arnaud,Austen..... ISU SO 7 198 118 4 59.6 1200 8 119.8
12.Hawkins, Cody..... CU SO 7 202 114 6 56.4 1051 11 112.2

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by thatboiwes
Here are some stats for you. Below is the overall Big 12 Pass Efficiency stats for the 2008 season:



PASS EFFICIENCY Team Cl G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Eff.
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Bradford, Sam....... OU SO 7 238 170 5 71.4 2520 26 192.2
2. Robinson, Zac....... OSU JR 7 134 94 4 70.1 1488 14 191.9
3. McCoy, Colt........... UT JR 7 197 160 3 81.2 1894 19 190.8
4. Daniel, Chase....... MU SR 7 249 189 5 75.9 2373 18 175.8
5. Harrell, Graham..... TTU SR 7 318 222 5 69.8 2761 23 163.5
6. Ganz, Joe.............. NU SR 7 224 157 6 70.1 1967 12 156.2
7. Reesing, Todd....... KU JR 7 280 195 5 69.6 2322 17 155.8
8. Freeman, Josh....... KSU JR 7 210 131 2 62.4 1746 12 149.2
9. Griffin, Robert........ BU FR 7 155 94 0 60.6 1271 9 148.7
10.Johnson, Jerrod... TAMU SO 7 184 114 4 62.0 1372 11 140.0
11.Arnaud,Austen..... ISU SO 7 198 118 4 59.6 1200 8 119.8
12.Hawkins, Cody..... CU SO 7 202 114 6 56.4 1051 11 112.2
Thats efficency which is all well and good but the thread was about accuracy.

[thatboiwes]

Originally posted by eagles_victory
Thats efficency which is all well and good but the thread was about accuracy.

I know. But it sounded good though. :D

[Emerson1]

It's impossible to know who is most accurate because you don't know where they were trying to put the ball.

[Diocletian]

I honestly think Bradford is the more accurate passer of the 2. I also though Sneed was the better QB over McCoy. But one thing about McCoy that I like, is that he has tried very hard to follow the easy system laid out for him. He is very successful at throwing passes less than 10 yards. There are plenty of QB in the NFL right now that can't throw accurate passes under 10 yards....J.Russel, Brad Johnson...just to name a couple.


Bradford has a worse compl %, because Stoops has him going deep every other play. They have been passing far more than any OK team in the past few years. He is also throwing to young WR's, while McCoy throws to experienced hands. and don't forget to mention his roomate!!! I've heard them call the kid from Burnet that about 100000000 times already!

[Necks_Fan]

McCoy is "Seemingly" very accurate because Greg Dacis won;t let him throw a pass over 6 yds.



Lol.
Nah, they are both great qb's. Both very accurate, but two totally different systems.


I honestly think, if I had to pick one to make a throw.... I'll take Bradford.


I think McCoy is just suited for that offense perfectly and he plays every well in it.

[swstangs001]

Originally posted by Diocletian
I honestly think Bradford is the more accurate passer of the 2. I also though Sneed was the better QB over McCoy. But one thing about McCoy that I like, is that he has tried very hard to follow the easy system laid out for him. He is very successful at throwing passes less than 10 yards. There are plenty of QB in the NFL right now that can't throw accurate passes under 10 yards....J.Russel, Brad Johnson...just to name a couple.


Bradford has a worse compl %, because Stoops has him going deep every other play. They have been passing far more than any OK team in the past few years. He is also throwing to young WR's, while McCoy throws to experienced hands. and don't forget to mention his roomate!!! I've heard them call the kid from Burnet that about 100000000 times already!


but thats also the different styles of offense, mccoy can fit those short passes in tight windows, also they throw a short route that gains first down yardage most of the time, oklahoma does go for the big play alot but i dont know if the 2 quaterbacks switched teams if they could run each others offense if you get what im saying

[bandera7]

Colt McCoy converted me. I wasnt a huge fan of his, but he just gets it done, and I like how hard he plays. As for accuracy, I also think it goes to Bradford, but thats just me. Both of them are dang good quarterbacks. The Big 12 is unfair honestly, with all the talent they have pulled in.

[JR2004]

McCoy is more accurate, but he isn't asked to throw deep as often as Bradford. However, that ball he threw to Malcolm Williams was a difficult throw to make. McCoy put it where only his receiver could get it and Williams just went up and made an incredibly athletic play.

[JR2004]

Originally posted by Diocletian
He is also throwing to young WR's, while McCoy throws to experienced hands. and don't forget to mention his roomate!!! I've heard them call the kid from Burnet that about 100000000 times already!

Bradford is throwing to a couple of experienced WR's just like McCoy is. He's got Gilmer's Manuel Johnson and Killeen High's Joaquin Iglesias to throw to and neither are lacking in experience. That doesn't even include Jermaine Gresham, the tight end. That kid has been an NFL-sized TE since his junior year of high school. We went up to Ardmore to play his team and beat them in basketball, but he had a great game. Too bad Irby is injured. It would've been fun to see a guy with his abilities in UT's offense this season.

I will say I like UT's younger group of WR's better overall. Collins, Williams, Buckner and Kirkendoll form a very talented quartet. Whether it's Garrett Gilbert who is next in line or someone else, they'll have plenty of capable targets.

On a sidenote, do you ever find it hard to hear Burnet said on TV? I know Shipley is a Longhorn and all, but it's still hard to hear the town's name said so often during the broadcast each week!

[underware]

McCoy stated that he will stay for his Senior year at Texas and will not enter the draft. Some say he could go in the first round. Glad to hear he's staying. Hopefully, finishing school was another factor!

[offduty]

did anybody see the throws mccoy has been making the past 2 weeks? fitting it in tight windows on short routes vs. oklahoma and then the deep ball to williams vs. mizzou, ...i'm sorry i just dont see how there can be an argument here....mccoy wins hands down


ps.....how can you say bradford's throwing to young recievers? iglecias and manuel j aren't exactly true freshmen ya know

[cshscougar08]

Originally posted by underware
McCoy stated that he will stay for his Senior year at Texas and will not enter the draft. Some say he could go in the first round. Glad to hear he's staying. Hopefully, finishing school was another factor!

I'm sure that finishing school was definitely a factor. McCoy comes off to me as a great guy, deeply rooted in solid family values.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by swstangs001
On tv this morning Todd Mcshay said, "Sam Bradford was the most accurate QB in all of college football", but Colt Mccoy does have a better completion percentage so technically wouldnt that make him more accurate? I'm not sure who is leading the nation in completion percentage, but..........
What are your thoughts, and who do you think would be considered "the most accurate"?
Todd Reesing had a 61.9% completion rate last year, but was NOT an accurate QB. Accuracy and completion percentage are two entirely different things.

[RedWhiteBlue]

Originally posted by offduty
did anybody see the throws mccoy has been making the past 2 weeks? fitting it in tight windows on short routes vs. oklahoma and then the deep ball to williams vs. mizzou, ...i'm sorry i just dont see how there can be an argument here....mccoy wins hands down


ps.....how can you say bradford's throwing to young recievers? iglecias and manuel j aren't exactly true freshmen ya know
I have to aggree with offduty. Mccoy really threaded some needles in the last game.

[Dieselsmoke]

PASSING..... GP Effic Cmp-Att-Int Pct Yards TD Long Avg/G
Billy Malone 7 203.8 127-191-5 66.5 2299 24 74 328.4

Billy Don Malone at Abilene Christian ain't too shabby and will go pretty high in this years draft!

[JR2004]

Originally posted by Dieselsmoke
PASSING..... GP Effic Cmp-Att-Int Pct Yards TD Long Avg/G
Billy Malone 7 203.8 127-191-5 66.5 2299 24 74 328.4

Billy Don Malone at Abilene Christian ain't too shabby and will go pretty high in this years draft!

I'll be interested to see if Malone and Null both get a shot. Malone has an amazing story of perseverance and since Null is from my hometown I hope he'll get a shot as well. I believe he's passed for around 8000 yards thus far. He has a great shot to go over 10,000 yards. Not bad for a QB who wasn't a starter until his junior year.

[BreckTxLonghorn]

Originally posted by Dieselsmoke
PASSING..... GP Effic Cmp-Att-Int Pct Yards TD Long Avg/G
Billy Malone 7 203.8 127-191-5 66.5 2299 24 74 328.4

Billy Don Malone at Abilene Christian ain't too shabby and will go pretty high in this years draft!


Got this from NFL Scout reports....

10/15/08 - "An NFL scout I talked to says Malone is very much on the radar. He has a good arm, although his mechanics do tend to get sloppy, the scout said. Being 25 isn't a plus, but Malone says he has talked to a bunch of pro scouts who have come through and none of them have brought it up. "I am still young," he says. "And I'm happy things have ended up like this." This seems to be a great time for Texas QBs. They are putting up prodigious numbers everywhere. Still, I doubt there are any with better stories than the return of Billy Don Malone." - Bruce Feldman, ESPN



Don't know if he'll go 'high', but he should have a good shot of getting drafted, or at the very least a workout somewhere. Right now, he's rated the 22 best qb out of 137 coming out this year.

[JR2004]

I went and looked at some more stuff about Malone and found that he was the first QB in LSC history to surpass 10,000 yards! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[BwdLions]

Originally posted by Diocletian
I honestly think Bradford is the more accurate passer of the 2. I also though Sneed was the better QB over McCoy. But one thing about McCoy that I like, is that he has tried very hard to follow the easy system laid out for him. He is very successful at throwing passes less than 10 yards. There are plenty of QB in the NFL right now that can't throw accurate passes under 10 yards....J.Russel, Brad Johnson...just to name a couple.


Bradford has a worse compl %, because Stoops has him going deep every other play. They have been passing far more than any OK team in the past few years. He is also throwing to young WR's, while McCoy throws to experienced hands. and don't forget to mention his roomate!!! I've heard them call the kid from Burnet that about 100000000 times already!

This entire post cracks me up. First off, you think Snead was the better QB between he and McCoy? That just doesn't make any sense unless you're talking about their high school careers and I don't think I'd buy that either. Just because Snead came from a 4A and McCoy a 2A doesn't make Snead better. It's more about leading a team and not just arm strength. Your statement about McCoy throwing mainly 10 yard passes doesn't hold water either. Can he throw them? Yes, he's very accurate at short, medium and deep passes. I think you're thinking about Graham Harrell. He's the master of throwing 10 yard passes.

Bradford doesn't throw deep every other play. He tries the deep throw several times a game just like every other QB in the country. You call Johnson and Igelias inexperienced? They're two of the best WRs in the country. They're probably 3-4" taller than Cosby and Shipley so they are better targets. Just because McCoy and Shipley are roomates, you think that alone makes McCoy more accurate than Bradford?

You sound like a disgruntled sooner fan that is reaching for excuses why his team isn't meeting expectations.

[Emerson1]

Chad Pennington is one of most accurate QBs in the NFL right now.

Accuracy doesn't mean you are any good though

[JR2004]

[i]You sound like a disgruntled sooner fan that is reaching for excuses why his team isn't meeting expectations. [/B]

He's a UT fan.

[cshscougar08]

Originally posted by BwdLions
You sound like a disgruntled sooner fan that is reaching for excuses why his team isn't meeting expectations.

Who's not meeting expectations? I feel the season is going as scripted. We lost a game that could have gone either way just looking at it on paper. Other than that, I really feel that things are going just swimmingly. We're on the outside looking in at the Big 12 Championship and National Championship, but maybe things will fall our way. And I'm not talking about Texas losing either.

[Troybuilt]

Originally posted by underware
McCoy stated that he will stay for his Senior year at Texas and will not enter the draft. Some say he could go in the first round. Glad to hear he's staying. Hopefully, finishing school was another factor!

1st. Round Draft pick????? Why stay???? The kid will make 25-30 million for 4-5 years plus a 10million $$$$ signing bonus.

Why stay for your Sr. year and take a chance on injury.???

[cshscougar08]

Originally posted by Troybuilt
1st. Round Draft pick????? Why stay???? The kid will make 25-30 million for 4-5 years plus a 10million $$$$ signing bonus.

Why stay for your Sr. year and take a chance on injury.???

See my post at the top of the page.

[Troybuilt]

Originally posted by cshscougar08
See my post at the top of the page.

1 reason.

Collective Bargaining Agreement next year.

That will greatly reduce is earning potential.

[cshscougar08]

Well if he really is staying and all that collective bargaining junk is going down, something tells me he doesn't CARE about how much he could make. That does still happen occasionally believe it or not. :D

[SWMustang]

I bet Vince Young wished he could still be in college right now

[WylieBulldog92]

Originally posted by SWMustang
I bet Vince Young wished he could still be in college right now
Why?

[SWMustang]

he was successful and loved by all. now his toughness is in question - especially mentally and emotionally. He'll never be on top of the world like he was in college.

[WylieBulldog92]

Originally posted by SWMustang
he was successful and loved by all. now his toughness is in question - especially mentally and emotionally. He'll never be on top of the world like he was in college.
He'll never get payed like he is in the NFL, in college.

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by WylieBulldog92
He'll never get payed like he is in the NFL, in college.
That's what you think...

[WylieBulldog92]

Originally posted by Emerson1
That's what you think...
Whatever....
Although I think if Title nine weren't in place a lot more players would stay in college (if they chose to give players a stipend of jersey sales).

[Troybuilt]

Originally posted by cshscougar08
Well if he really is staying and all that collective bargaining junk is going down, something tells me he doesn't CARE about how much he could make. That does still happen occasionally believe it or not. :D


Money talks, BS walks.

[swstangs001]

how about when colt always says that he gives god the glory in nearly every interview, how many christian athletes do you hear say that?

[cshscougar08]

Originally posted by swstangs001
how about when colt always says that he gives god the glory in nearly every interview, how many christian athletes do you hear say that?

Not very many. That's what I'm talking about with solid family values.

[BwdLions]

Originally posted by SWMustang
I bet Vince Young wished he could still be in college right now

It's true not all great college QBs make good NFL QBs. It's a whole different game up there.

[BwdLions]

Originally posted by JR2004
He's a UT fan.

You're kidding. :confused:

[BwdLions]

Originally posted by cshscougar08
Who's not meeting expectations? I feel the season is going as scripted. We lost a game that could have gone either way just looking at it on paper. Other than that, I really feel that things are going just swimmingly. We're on the outside looking in at the Big 12 Championship and National Championship, but maybe things will fall our way. And I'm not talking about Texas losing either.

I said that because of the post that was submitted by another poster. I agree that the sooners are in good shape if they win the rest of their games. You must admit, Texas has surprised everyone this year. They were supposed to be a year (or two) away from being able to compete for a Big XII or national championship.

[swstangs001]

Originally posted by cshscougar08
Not very many. That's what I'm talking about with solid family values.


yeah your post is what made me think about it

[cshscougar08]

Originally posted by BwdLions
You must admit, Texas has surprised everyone this year. They were supposed to be a year (or two) away from being able to compete for a Big XII or national championship.

I'll be the first to admit I wrote Texas off before the season began, so I'm eating some crow for that one. You remember that too huh? :D

[BwdLions]

Originally posted by cshscougar08
I'll be the first to admit I wrote Texas off before the season began, so I'm eating some crow for that one. You remember that too huh? :D

I thought Texas would win 9-10 games and finish in the top ten. I don't think anyone expected the Horns to be #1 in the country at any point this season. Needless to say, it's been a pleasant surprise (for me).

[VOZS]

I think completion % is kind of misleading. Maybe Bradford throws a more accurate ball but McCoy throws a higher numberof short passes which increase his %.

[ivchris]

I'd take Colt McCoy anyday in any game over ANY QB in college football. The kid is like Peyton Manning, Solid QB skills and to top it off, he's coached by Major Applewhite. What more could any kid ask for?

[swstangs001]

Originally posted by ivchris
I'd take Colt McCoy anyday in any game over ANY QB in college football. The kid is like Peyton Manning, Solid QB skills and to top it off, he's coached by Major Applewhite. What more could any kid ask for?

strippers and an ice cold beer

[Texasfootball2]

McCoy, Bradford, ect........ there all having great years but I just wanted to throw in some props for Case Keenum @ UH. His stats are as good as anybodies right now.

[BwdLions]

Originally posted by VOZS
I think completion % is kind of misleading. Maybe Bradford throws a more accurate ball but McCoy throws a higher numberof short passes which increase his %.

I completely disagree with your statements. Completion percentage is not a mis-leading stat. It's one of the best ways to rate a QB on any level. Bradford is "obviously not" more accurate than McCoy. McCoy does not throw a higher number of "short passes" than Bradford. Get real man.

[ivchris]

Originally posted by Texasfootball2
McCoy, Bradford, ect........ there all having great years but I just wanted to throw in some props for Case Keenum @ UH. His stats are as good as anybodies right now.


Yep, can't forget Case and his skills.....plus he's got top notch parents and he helped Wylie win a State Championship.

[WylieBulldog92]

Originally posted by VOZS
I think completion % is kind of misleading. Maybe Bradford throws a more accurate ball but McCoy throws a higher numberof short passes which increase his %.
Where's your stat sheet showing this?

[Troybuilt]

Originally posted by Texasfootball2
McCoy, Bradford, ect........ there all having great years but I just wanted to throw in some props for Case Keenum @ UH. His stats are as good as anybodies right now.

Keenum is in a conference USA which is right above DII. Besides his numbers are not as good as McCoy and Bradford. Keenum throws it 50 times a game so like Graham Harrell, his numbers will be over inflated. Not even the same class.

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by Troybuilt
Keenum is in a conference USA which is right above DII. Besides his numbers are not as good as McCoy and Bradford. Keenum throws it 50 times a game so like Graham Harrell, his numbers will be over inflated. Not even the same class.
:rolleyes: :dispntd:

[swstangs001]

Originally posted by Troybuilt
Keenum is in a conference USA which is right above DII. Besides his numbers are not as good as McCoy and Bradford. Keenum throws it 50 times a game so like Graham Harrell, his numbers will be over inflated. Not even the same class.


yeah but you have to admit he still is a great qb

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Troybuilt
Keenum is in a conference USA which is right above DII. Besides his numbers are not as good as McCoy and Bradford. Keenum throws it 50 times a game so like Graham Harrell, his numbers will be over inflated. Not even the same class.


ok then how about this

agianst a top 10 school in Okla State he threw for 387 yards and 4 TDS with no ints

[Troybuilt]

Originally posted by swstangs001
yeah but you have to admit he still is a great qb

Yeah, so has Billy Malone at ACU. I don't know of a college quarterback who is starting who hasn't done a good job. We are talking about the cream of the crop here, and that is why McCoy stands out above the rest on the field against the best defensive secondaries in the college game.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by VOZS
I think completion % is kind of misleading. Maybe Bradford throws a more accurate ball but McCoy throws a higher numberof short passes which increase his %.

this kind of argument is pointless


First off Bradfords YPA is all of one yard more than McCoy(10.6 to 9.6)

But you know what Jeff George threw a better deep ball than Joe Montanna...But Montanna threw those 5-15 yard routes( ya know the short routes) better than anyone.

I want the right QB for the RIGHT offense. Bradford is perfect for OUs system and I think Colt has become the perfect QB for Texas's Offense

[Troybuilt]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
this kind of argument is pointless


First off Bradfords YPA is all of one yard more than McCoy(10.6 to 9.6)

But you know what Jeff George threw a better deep ball than Joe Montanna...But Montanna threw those 5-15 yard routes( ya know the short routes) better than anyone.

I want the right QB for the RIGHT offense. Bradford is perfect for OUs system and I think Colt has become the perfect QB for Texas's Offense

Where have you been?

College teams who become winners, adapt there offenses and defenses to fit the personel (players) that they have. They don'e try to make a kid do something that he can't do. So the systems change to fit the players.

It just so happens that over the last year, Colt McCoy has gotten bigger and stronger and faster (4.5) which makes him more like a Vince Young type player if he has to in diferent situations.

Colt is better and will be better in the NFL (next year) because he is the smartest quarterback in college today.

[Troybuilt]

pinpoint accruacy

[DaHop72]

Originally posted by Troybuilt
pinpoint accruacy :thinking: :thinking: Kind of like Colt Brennon.:doh: