Cowboys to acquire Lions' Roy Williams (merged)

[crzyjournalist03]

That's the rumor I'm hearing...first round pick for Roy Williams of the Lions.

[Keith7]

I doubt it happens.. But if the eagles make a trade for Tony Gonzalez the cowgirls better make it happen

[crzyjournalist03]

Is Tony Gonzalez really that much better than L.J. Smith? I mean, I do know that he's better, but is it such a wide gap that he's really going to be able to make a difference?

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
That's the rumor I'm hearing...first round pick for Roy Williams of the Lions.

Hopefully Dan "I didn't realize I was in the EZ" Orvloskey will be a throw in.:mad:

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
Hopefully Dan "I didn't realize I was in the EZ" Orvloskey will be a throw in.:mad:

then who's going to play QB? Kitna is supposedly getting placed on IR.

[3afan]

maybe according to ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3643295)

[Pick6]

Originally posted by Keith7
I doubt it happens.. But if the eagles make a trade for Tony Gonzalez the cowgirls better make it happen


Why worry about Gonzalez when McNabb will still be throwing the ball.

[crzyjournalist03]

I think you mean "trade for"...they're hanging on to their more expensive, yet inferior version of Roy Williams.

[3afan]

thats what I said! ;)

[ziggy29]

Prepare for even more antics from TO about not getting the ball...

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by ziggy29
Prepare for even more antics from TO about not getting the ball...

I think he'll be fine. Roy Williams would know he is coming in here as the 2nd dog. He would defer to TO and the defenses would probably have to play TO more honestly, therefore opening things up for TO more than they have been.

[Pick6]

Originally posted by ziggy29
Prepare for even more antics from TO about not getting the ball...

TO would benefit with Roy Williams as the 2nd reciever. Pick your poison, double TO and leave Witten and Williams in one on one coverage?

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Pick6
TO would benefit with Roy Williams as the 2nd reciever. Pick your poison, double TO and leave Witten and Williams in one on one coverage?

Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin would also benefit, as the Cowboys would have the option of going with 4 and 5 receiver sets, something that they simply haven't had the manpower to do. Roy Williams would be a HUGE move for the Cowboys, assuming that they could convince him to re-sign in the offseason.

[jason]

i just picked up roy williams in a fantasy trade and was hesitant to play him because the lions are terrible...

i would consider playing him now i guess....

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
then who's going to play QB? Kitna is supposedly getting placed on IR.
Drew Stanton. :thinking:

[crzyjournalist03]

Updated report as the deadline is here:

Cowboys acquiring Williams for multiple draft picks, but not a first round pick.

[Diocletian]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin would also benefit

Maybe one or both of those 2 could play corner. That's what we need.

[Pick6]

Done deal for 2 2nd round draft picks.

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Updated report as the deadline is here:

Cowboys acquiring Williams for multiple draft picks, but not a first round pick.

Something is better than nothing.

[kaorder1999]

wow...great addition!

[Pick6]

Originally posted by Pick6
Done deal for 2 2nd round draft picks.

Randy Galloway was quoting the 2 2nd round draft picks.

DMN says first-, third- and sixth-round picks in 2009 while the Lions will kick back their seventh-rounder in 2009

[Macarthur]

Great Deal!

Even if it is a 1st rounder. There won't be a first rounder that could come in and play at that level anyway.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Macarthur
Great Deal!

Even if it is a 1st rounder. There won't be a first rounder that could come in and play at that level anyway.

It's a great deal contingent upon signing Williams to an extension...if he walks this summer, horrible move.

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
It's a great deal contingent upon signing Williams to an extension...if he walks this summer, horrible move. hes always wanted to be a cowboy. He wont go anywhere. Hes a Texas guy!

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
It's a great deal contingent upon signing Williams to an extension...if he walks this summer, horrible move.

You really think Roy or Jerry wants that to happen?

If anything Roy will take below market to stay in Texas.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
hes always wanted to be a cowboy. He wont go anywhere. Hes a Texas guy! exactly! :clap: :)

[crzyjournalist03]

The Cowboys re-acquired their own sixth round pick in 2009 and acquire the Titans 5th round pick as a result of the suspension of Adam Jones

[3afan]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/101508dnspocowboyswilliams.111b05472.html

[Macarthur]

And don't forget they had 2 3rd round picks for next year, so they've still got a 2nd, 3rd, 2 4th's, 2 5th's, 6th & 7th.

[Lion_Addict]

I was hoping they would snag him when all the talk was going around months ago, so I'm a happy jack! Good sign.... :2thumbsup

[crzyjournalist03]

Ed Werder is currently on Galloway confirming that it is indeed a 1st, 3rd, and 6th in exchange for Williams and a 7th.

[pirate4state]

The important question is....do we have a punter? :D :p

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by pirate4state
The important question is....do we have a punter? :D :p

:( Matt McBriar is out for the season. We don't have a punter right now.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
:( Matt McBriar is out for the season. We don't have a punter right now. Yes, I know. I guess I should have asked if we had REPLACED or PICKED UP a new punter.

[Keith7]

too bad williams is another guy who has had trouble keeping his mouth shut in the past

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Keith7
too bad williams is another guy who has had trouble keeping his mouth shut in the past

too bad the Eagles ended up not doing anything.

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by Keith7
too bad williams is another guy who has had trouble keeping his mouth shut in the past

Who cares if he talks?

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Keith7
another guy who has had trouble keeping his mouth shut You'd know all about that wouldn't ya Keith? :D

[Lion_Addict]

Originally posted by pirate4state
Yes, I know. I guess I should have asked if we had REPLACED or PICKED UP a new punter.

I haven't heard what we're gonna do about that situation. I know that Aussie is a heck of a punter and I hate that we lost that foot. :(

[Pick6]

Originally posted by pirate4state
You'd know all about that wouldn't ya Keith? :D

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Lion_Addict
I haven't heard what we're gonna do about that situation. I know that Aussie is a heck of a punter and I hate that we lost that foot. :(

Supposedly, a guy who was in Broncos training camp this year is the leading candidate, but the Cowboys are reviewing their options and will make a decision probably tomorrow.

[sinton66]

Maybe the Lions would be interested in a Roy trade, they take ours, we take theirs.:D

[Farmersfan]

I understood today is the trade deadline. If it doesnt' happen today it won't happen........




Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Supposedly, a guy who was in Broncos training camp this year is the leading candidate, but the Cowboys are reviewing their options and will make a decision probably tomorrow.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I understood today is the trade deadline. If it doesnt' happen today it won't happen........ Yeah, but we wouldn't be trading for a punter! :doh: Besides, he didn't say he was still with the Broncos, just that he was at their camp.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Farmersfan
I understood today is the trade deadline. If it doesnt' happen today it won't happen........

The guys that they're looking at are all free agents, and wouldn't have to be traded for...the guy from the Broncos was cut before the regular season.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by pirate4state
Yeah, but we wouldn't be trading for a punter! :doh: Besides, he didn't say he was still with the Broncos, just that he was at their camp.

Right...here's the guy that I was talking about:

http://www.nfl.com/players/sampaulescu/profile?id=PAU505633

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by sinton66
Maybe the Lions would be interested in a Roy trade, they take ours, we take theirs.:D

It's the Lions. Even he would be an upgrade in the secondary.:(

[jason]

it already has him playing for dallas on the fantasy league home page...

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by jason
it already has him playing for dallas on the fantasy league home page... is it too late to veto the trade? ;) :D man, i bet SFIA is kicking himself right now. haha

[sinton66]

Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
It's the Lions. Even he would be an upgrade in the secondary.:( Sure, that's why it would work and not have to give more than a third round pick;)

[blowfish]

WOW we must have used that 5th round pick we got for Pacman getting suspended.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/101508dnspocowboyswilliams.111b05472.html

[crzyjournalist03]

latest update: Roy Williams has signed a five-year extension with the Cowboys.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Right...here's the guy that I was talking about:

http://www.nfl.com/players/sampaulescu/profile?id=PAU505633

new update here!

Sam Paulescu has indeed been signed as the new punter for the Cowboys.

So I'm two for two in breaking stories before they were official today!!!

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Originally posted by jason
i just picked up roy williams in a fantasy trade and was hesitant to play him because the lions are terrible...

i would consider playing him now i guess.... Trade was canceled :D , should have waited one more week before deciding to go after Ocho Cinco.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

:clap: :clap: and :mad: :doh:

[Txbroadcaster]

So this is a win-win when it comes to Pacman

They use his draft pick they traded but now got back as a throw in


So...in essecnce they traded a 5th round and got PacMan and Roy...probably cutting PacMan loose soon, but I will take Roy

[slpybear the bullfan]

The new Roy can simply take over for the old Roy.

Please.

Please.

[JasperDog94]

Our secondary is so bad right now that I actually look forward to the OU Roy Williams getting healthy.:eek: :doh: :doh:

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
Our secondary is so bad right now that I actually look forward to the OU Roy Williams getting healthy.:eek: :doh: :doh: might as well move him to OLB, he's undersized for that position, but hell, so was Dat!

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
Our secondary is so bad right now that I actually look forward to the OU Roy Williams getting healthy.:eek: :doh: :doh:

I think people think it is worse than it really is

They held Warner who has been lighting it up to 236 yards which is 50 yards less than his average per game...You cant ask a secondary to do much more than that

[coach]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
new update here!

Sam Paulescu has indeed been signed as the new punter for the Cowboys.

So I'm two for two in breaking stories before they were official today!!!

good for you wanna cookie

[piratebg]

Well, the Cowboys passing game just added a big threat in Williams. We'll see how they look on Sunday. Now it's just a matter of getting a little more assistance in the secondary now that Pacman is gone.

[sinton66]

Future replacement for an aging T.O. In the meantime, should be a legitimate #2. Crayton's better at #3 anyway. Now if 40 yr. old Johnson can get the ball far enough down the field.....

[JR2004]

Originally posted by sinton66
Crayton's better at #3 anyway.

I don't think Crayton will be with Dallas long-term. I believe Miles Austin moves past him within the next year.

[forum_guy]

idk what to think about this...some people on here are getting a little too happy about this....i think the cowboys gave up too much and the lions know it too..they have to be ecstatic they got that much in return for roy williams...all people know him for is the couple of times he makes an unbelievable catch and makes sportscenter...he never likes to cross the middle...and last time i heard about him it was about calvin johnson stealing too many catches...so him and TO in the same locker room are going to be pretty funny...but yeah i guess he will help out the offense but what about the lacking secondary...and as i see it the cowboys are still no lock to make the playoffs:thinking:

[Necks_Fan]

This makes me wonder, does the Salary Cap apply to the Cowboys?


Good lord, they got a roster full of playmakers. How do they afford it?

[Necks_Fan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
So...in essecnce they traded a 5th round and got PacMan and Roy... Yea, as well as their 1st and 3rd round pick.

[forum_guy]

idk what to think about this...some people on here are getting a little too happy about this....i think the cowboys gave up too much and the lions know it too..they have to be ecstatic they got that much in return for roy williams...all people know him for is the couple of times he makes an unbelievable catch and makes sportscenter...he never likes to cross the middle...and last time i heard about him it was about calvin johnson stealing too many catches...so him and TO in the same locker room are going to be pretty funny...but yeah i guess he will help out the offense but what about the lacking secondary...and as i see it the cowboys are still no lock to make the playoffs

:thinking:

[Necks_Fan]

Originally posted by forum_guy
idk what to think about this...some people on here are getting a little too happy about this....i think the cowboys gave up too much and the lions know it too..they have to be ecstatic they got that much in return for roy williams...all people know him for is the couple of times he makes an unbelievable catch and makes sportscenter...he never likes to cross the middle...and last time i heard about him it was about calvin johnson stealing too many catches...so him and TO in the same locker room are going to be pretty funny...but yeah i guess he will help out the offense but what about the lacking secondary...and as i see it the cowboys are still no lock to make the playoffs

:thinking: Didn't you already post this once? :thinking:

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I think people think it is worse than it really is

They held Warner who has been lighting it up to 236 yards which is 50 yards less than his average per game...You cant ask a secondary to do much more than that True. The defense looked pretty decent most of the game. 13 points for Arizona did come off special teams....something the Cowboys used to be known for.:(

[WTF-82]

Roy Williams + Dallas Cowboys = MOJO / MOJO / MOJO / MOJO

MOJO / MOJO / MOJO/ JUST WHAT THE COWBOYS WERE NEEDING. A LITTLE WEST TEXAS POWER.

[Lion_Addict]

Originally posted by sinton66
Future replacement for an aging T.O. In the meantime, should be a legitimate #2. Crayton's better at #3 anyway.

:iagree:


Now if 40 yr. old Johnson can get the ball far enough down the field.....

If that line will give him the protection, that ole man will still get it done......IMO. Williams is gonna end up being another great move by the Cowboys. ;)

[CHS_89]

Originally posted by Lion_Addict


:iagree:



If that line will give him the protection, that ole man will still get it done......IMO. Williams is gonna end up being another great move by the Cowboys. ;) [/B]

Big "IF" there LA. But I agree with ya. It will be interesting to see how the defense lines up against Johnson. Garrett hopefully will know what to do this week given the many injury issues.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by coach
good for you wanna cookie

Peanut butter please. :p

[jason]

so, with tony romo out, how effective do you think brad johnson will be with t.o. on one side, williams on the other, and whitten in the middle.... ???

i have roy williams and miles austin on my fantasy team, think having both of them in my lineup would be effective?

i only would use austin because one of my main receivers (steve breaston) has a bye this week.....

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by jason
so, with tony romo out, how effective do you think brad johnson will be with t.o. on one side, williams on the other, and whitten in the middle.... ???

i have roy williams and miles austin on my fantasy team, think having both of them in my lineup would be effective?

i only would use austin because one of my main receivers (steve breaston) has a bye this week.....

Apparently there's talk that Romo could play this week. He's going to practice today and see how his finger feels.

Austin is basically worthless. You're basically hoping he gets a touchdown, otherwise, he'll be putting up 0 points...you're probably better off dropping Austin for a guy like Mike Furrey who can get Williams' catches in Detroit now. I think Johnson will be about what you've seen with Kerry Collins...only around 200 yards passing, a touchdown, maybe two, and a turnover.

[sinton66]

If the O line can't protect Johnson a lot better than they did for Romo last Sunday, Dallas becomes a wounded duck. Johnson isn't nearly as mobile as Romo, no chance to avoid the rush if the line can't stop it and Garrett doesn't keep a back in to help. Besides that, Johnson has no deep throw.

[sinton66]

That said, now when Romo gets back, watch out!

[jason]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Apparently there's talk that Romo could play this week. He's going to practice today and see how his finger feels.
i could see that - we were messing around yesterday to see how much pressure is actually on the pinky when you throw, and it doesnt seem to be much - its catching snaps that could be the painful part....

and like i said, i would only use austin this week because breaston (a big fantasy point producer due to punt/kickoff return yards) has a bye....

i think ill go with williams this week to see how things go....worst case, ill have my full starting lineup back next week....

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by sinton66
If the O line can't protect Johnson a lot better than they did for Romo last Sunday, Dallas becomes a wounded duck. Johnson isn't nearly as mobile as Romo, no chance to avoid the rush if the line can't stop it and Garrett doesn't keep a back in to help. Besides that, Johnson has no deep throw.

Yeah, the offensive line definitely needs to improve, but I'd imagine that Johnson wouldn't be looking deep as much, so the quarterback in theory shouldn't need as much time from the offensive line. I think it's going to be very interesting one way or another.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by jason
i could see that - we were messing around yesterday to see how much pressure is actually on the pinky when you throw, and it doesnt seem to be much - its catching snaps that could be the painful part....

and like i said, i would only use austin this week because breaston (a big fantasy point producer due to punt/kickoff return yards) has a bye....

i think ill go with williams this week to see how things go....worst case, ill have my full starting lineup back next week....

Oh...what are your punt/kick values? Austin will be the Cowboys primary returner on kicks and punts now that the Jones duo is out...so Austin could definitely maintain some value there.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by forum_guy
idk what to think about this...some people on here are getting a little too happy about this....i think the cowboys gave up too much and the lions know it too..they have to be ecstatic they got that much in return for roy williams...all people know him for is the couple of times he makes an unbelievable catch and makes sportscenter...he never likes to cross the middle...and last time i heard about him it was about calvin johnson stealing too many catches...so him and TO in the same locker room are going to be pretty funny...but yeah i guess he will help out the offense but what about the lacking secondary...and as i see it the cowboys are still no lock to make the playoffs

:thinking:

I don't think they gave up too much.

Go look at the 2009 draft boards. There isn't a WR anywhere close to where the Cowboys will pick that would make the impact that RW will make immediately. As for the 3rd rounder, let's look at their last couple of 3rd rounders: 08 - Didn't have one
07 - James Marten - no longer with the team
06 - Jason Hatcher - just a guy in the rotation
05 - Didn't have one
04 - Stephen Piterman - No longer with the team
03 - Jason Witten - Pro Bowler

To me, if you think you are very close to the Super Bowl and this guy is a difference maker, DO IT!

So if the Cowboys make it to the SuperBowl, is it worth it?

People way over value draft picks; Rick Gosslin has been saying this for years.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by sinton66
If the O line can't protect Johnson a lot better than they did for Romo last Sunday, Dallas becomes a wounded duck. Johnson isn't nearly as mobile as Romo, no chance to avoid the rush if the line can't stop it and Garrett doesn't keep a back in to help. Besides that, Johnson has no deep throw.

To me, this is the key. Forget all this Pacman, Roy Williams stuff - this comes down to the OL.

If they play well the next three games, I don't care who they play; they can win all of the next 3 games including the Giants.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Macarthur
I don't think they gave up too much.

Go look at the 2009 draft boards. There isn't a WR anywhere close to where the Cowboys will pick that would make the impact that RW will make immediately. As for the 3rd rounder, let's look at their last couple of 3rd rounders: 08 - Didn't have one
07 - James Marten - no longer with the team
06 - Jason Hatcher - just a guy in the rotation
05 - Didn't have one
04 - Stephen Piterman - No longer with the team
03 - Jason Witten - Pro Bowler

To me, if you think you are very close to the Super Bowl and this guy is a difference maker, DO IT!

So if the Cowboys make it to the SuperBowl, is it worth it?

People way over value draft picks; Rick Gosslin has been saying this for years.

Those are some great points...

Also, the Cowboys still have extra picks due to trades last year.

They currently have a 2nd, 3rd, two 4ths, two 5ths, a 6th, and two 7ths.

[Pick6]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Oh...what are your punt/kick values? Austin will be the Cowboys primary returner on kicks and punts now that the Jones duo is out...so Austin could definitely maintain some value there.

Austin will not be returning punts. Crayton has done it for 4 years and he will get that job back.

[jason]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Oh...what are your punt/kick values? Austin will be the Cowboys primary returner on kicks and punts now that the Jones duo is out...so Austin could definitely maintain some value there.

Return Yards (20 yards per point; 3 points at 100 yards; 5 points at 150 yards; 8 points at 200 yards)
Return Touchdowns (6)

steve breaston has 28 catches for 373 yds and a td and 457 return yards - that all = 90 fantasy points

dante hall has 6 catches for 34 yards and 604 return yards - that all = 52 fantasy points

i tried to find a return guy on a crappy team and it is paying off so far...


that's why steve breaston has been so productive, the game that favre threw 6 td's against az was a gold mine for me, if i had lavernaeus coles in my starting lineup, i wouldnt have lost that game...grr......

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Pick6
Austin will not be returning punts. Crayton has done it for 4 years and he will get that job back.

really? I thought for sure Austin had returned punts earlier this year when Pacman was struggling...must have gotten confused! I do remember Crayton back there now that you mention it...

[crzyjournalist03]

For anybody who's interested, Dallascowboys.com now has Williams #11 jerseys for sale (but only in navy right now).

I've been wanting to get another jersey besides the Tony Romo jersey I have, so maybe he'll be the one I get. I'm kind of wanting a Thanksgiving throwback though, and I doubt they'll make those for Williams this year.

[forum_guy]

im going to say something out of the 87 posts that havent been mentioned yet...yeah roy williams is an upgrade at the wr position but that they did not access a need which was on the DEFENSE...this is my point in thinking which definitely makes sense...if u guys are complaining that marion barber doesnt get the ball enough how do u think its going to be when garrett wants to throw it forsure every play now...also u guys are overhyping roy williams...he is an upgrade though...all williams does is run deep routes its still not gonna matter when the over rated offensive line lets romo end up on his back

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by forum_guy
im going to say something out of the 87 posts that havent been mentioned yet...yeah roy williams is an upgrade at the wr position but that they did not access a need which was on the DEFENSE...this is my point in thinking which definitely makes sense...if u guys are complaining that marion barber doesnt get the ball enough how do u think its going to be when garrett wants to throw it forsure every play now...also u guys are overhyping roy williams...he is an upgrade though...all williams does is run deep routes its still not gonna matter when the over rated offensive line lets romo end up on his back

I don't think anyone thinks this fixes all their problems. However, you don't just get good CBs in trades. No one lets CBs go. So does that mean you don't try to improve in an area if the opportunity arrises even though it might not be your biggest need?

[forum_guy]

im not saying that...but roy williams is definitely over rated...someone earlier said draft picks are over rated...the truth is roy williams is...but he did go to texas...lol..so he is awesome

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by forum_guy
im going to say something out of the 87 posts that havent been mentioned yet...yeah roy williams is an upgrade at the wr position but that they did not access a need which was on the DEFENSE...this is my point in thinking which definitely makes sense...if u guys are complaining that marion barber doesnt get the ball enough how do u think its going to be when garrett wants to throw it forsure every play now...also u guys are overhyping roy williams...he is an upgrade though...all williams does is run deep routes its still not gonna matter when the over rated offensive line lets romo end up on his back

The Cowboys are 10th in the league in yards per game allowed without their starting Pro Bowl cornerback and one of their safeties. They only allowed 17 points on defense against one of the top offenses in the league last week (Special teams allowed the other 13), held Green Bay to 16 points, held Cleveland to 10, and had a flukey game against Philly and allowed around 20 points in their other games.

Their defense has actually been a lot better than most people have been saying.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by forum_guy
im not saying that...but roy williams is definitely over rated...someone earlier said draft picks are over rated...the truth is roy williams is...but he did go to texas...lol..so he is awesome

Roy Williams and Terrell Owens challenge Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald for the best 1-2 receiving corps in the league right now. I think that's what people get excited about. Williams won't single-handedly win this team anything, but you can bet that he'll be a lot more productive on this offense than he was on the Lions.

[forum_guy]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Roy Williams and Terrell Owens challenge Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald for the best 1-2 receiving corps in the league right now. I think that's what people get excited about. Williams won't single-handedly win this team anything, but you can bet that he'll be a lot more productive on this offense than he was on the Lions.


well when garrett acts like an idiot again and thinks he can throw all game the cowboys will forget about marion barber...they need to quit thinking they are a spread offense and hand it off to their best player

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by forum_guy
im not saying that...but roy williams is definitely over rated...someone earlier said draft picks are over rated...the truth is roy williams is...but he did go to texas...lol..so he is awesome

Well, basically everyone IN the league disagrees with you that RW is overrated.

from bloggingtheboys.com

Jason Cole has a great article over at Yahoo Sports on the Roy Williams trade. We've heard Deion Sanders bash the deal, we've heard other TV personalities say the Cowboys panicked. But what about other coaches/owners in the league? You know, the guys who actually have to contend with the Cowboys on Sundays. How about this:

"That makes them a much more dangerous team and they were already a great one," said Giants owner John Mara, a day after his defending Super Bowl champions were run over in Cleveland. "He's a great player and he makes them much tougher to defend. They gave up a lot for him, but he makes them better."

[snip]

"I'm sure that when other defensive coordinators heard that Romo was out, they thought, ‘Oh, we can just blitz and dare Johnson to beat us deep,' " an assistant coach from another team said. "Now, you can't do that because you're going to have to respect both sides of the formation."

[snip]

"They weren't easy to defend before this," another assistant coach said. "Personally, I thought (Patrick) Crayton and the other kid (Miles Austin) were pretty good. But Williams is in a different league than those guys. With (Crayton and Austin), you'd take your chances. With Williams, he's going to hurt you. I shouldn't say this, but this group could be a better offense than when they had (Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin and Emmitt Smith).

"Yeah, you could say it's overkill and there won't be enough passes to go around, but good luck defending them. There's going to be somebody running free all the time."

And ESPN has the stats of RW and TO in their first 60 games....RW's numbers were better than TOs.

I think what everyone needs to realize was that RW was in pro football hell, Detroit. Don't you think he would feel beat down as the year wore on and they kept losing and losing....I can see him exploding similar to what Leonard Davis did. Sometimes guys with talent on poor teams can really take major steps forward when they get a change of scenery.

[forum_guy]

wow...are u serious...i have already read that before but i said he is over rated because of the fact he doesnt run across the middle and he wont take a hit...all he does is run the deep route...and if all the cowboys think they can do now is throw, they are going to get beat again if they completely forget about barber which probably will happen

[forum_guy]

alright it just hit me...dallas is going to win the super bowl now...omg :rolleyes:

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by forum_guy
wow...are u serious...i have already read that before but i said he is over rated because of the fact he doesnt run across the middle and he wont take a hit...all he does is run the deep route...and if all the cowboys think they can do now is throw, they are going to get beat again if they completely forget about barber which probably will happen

Yes, I'm serious. And I've got some credible opinions to back up mine. What is your source?

You seriously think Jason Garrett now thinks he's going to throw the ball 50 times every game now? Give me a break...you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by forum_guy
alright it just hit me...dallas is going to win the super bowl now...omg :rolleyes:

No one said that.

All I'm saying is that the feedback from folks in the league is that this made Dallas' offense much more difficult to defend. THAT'S IT!

Quit being a dork.

[forum_guy]

lol...there is also half the league and reporters that know this was a desperate move and that if the cowboys dont win it all much less a first round game that the locker room is going to completely snap mainly TO...but i know all of u homers can call me crazy or whatever but dallas is no lock to make the playoffs

[themsu97]

Its the Cowboys... they will implode...

TO will be upset because RW will get many of those touches that TO feels he so desperately needs...

However... RW is long regarded as a good receiver, but definitely a very classy guy... what Dallas needs right now... he may even be a leader in the locker room which could really help the Pokes... this does the Boys more good than bad...

I am not a Dallas fan... but for someone to say that this team is better offensively than the triplet era is insane... Irvin is better than TO, Novacek is better than Whitten, AIkman is better than ROmo and there is noway Barber, as good as he is, is even close to Emmitt

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by forum_guy
lol...there is also half the league and reporters that know this was a desperate move and that if the cowboys dont win it all much less a first round game that the locker room is going to completely snap mainly TO...but i know all of u homers can call me crazy or whatever but dallas is no lock to make the playoffs

I could care less what the media thinks. Please reference a league source that says this was a "desperate" move by Dallas.

I don't think anyone on here said they were a lock. You're creating arguments that no one made and defeating them to make you feel like you know what you are talking about.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by themsu97


I am not a Dallas fan... but for someone to say that this team is better offensively than the triplet era is insane... Irvin is better than TO, Novacek is better than Whitten, AIkman is better than ROmo and there is noway Barber, as good as he is, is even close to Emmitt

I think it's way too early to talk about them with those guys, too.

However, this is what folks in the league are saying; not me.

[themsu97]

I did not say you said it, but it is in someone's post that it has been mentioned...

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by themsu97


I am not a Dallas fan... but for someone to say that this team is better offensively than the triplet era is insane... Irvin is better than TO, Novacek is better than Whitten, AIkman is better than ROmo and there is noway Barber, as good as he is, is even close to Emmitt

I agree with ease on all except ONE

I think Witten is a better TE than Novcek

First off Witten is by far a better blocking TE than Novacek..it is not even close in that regards..Novacek basically just got in front of the defender and slowed him down, Witten truly blocks


I also feel Witten is as good if not better at catching the ball...Novacek was better after the catch, but not by a huge margin

Jay's best season was 62 catches and 700 yards and 5 TDs

Witten has already almost caught Jays career catxch total(422-387) and his best year was WR like with 96 catches 1100 yards and 7 TDs

[themsu97]

funny, I remember games where Jay had to block Reggi White... hmmm, maybe he was a bad blocker:rolleyes: .. Novacek ran the seem like nobody's business... then I totally forgot about Moose... this Cowboy team is barely in the same area code

[themsu97]

but... it is a matter of opinon and we differ on one account... not too bad

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by themsu97
funny, I remember games where Jay had to block Reggi White... hmmm, maybe he was a bad blocker:rolleyes: .. Novacek ran the seem like nobody's business... then I totally forgot about Moose... this Cowboy team is barely in the same area code


yes Novacek might have helped a T by chipping White, or on one or two plays blocked him on running plays..but in passing plays he always ran a route..and Erik Williams always was on White one on one for the most part

and I NEVER said he was a bad blocker, please show me where I said that

I said by far Witten was a BETTER blocker than Novacek heck he is considerd by most to be the best blocking TE in the league

and yep Jay ran the seam route to perfection and was a great TE..but Witten already has better numbers per year

[sinton66]

Originally posted by themsu97
funny, I remember games where Jay had to block Reggi White... hmmm, maybe he was a bad blocker:rolleyes: .. Novacek ran the seem like nobody's business... then I totally forgot about Moose... this Cowboy team is barely in the same area code

You do understand this is a different team. NO ONE from those years is still there. Brad Johnson is the only one on the roster with a ring. As far as Aikman being better than Romo, that remains to be seen. Romo's only been the starter for a little better than two years. He's already broken one of Aikman's records. No one will match Emmitt for a long time.

[themsu97]

"
"They weren't easy to defend before this," another assistant coach said. "Personally, I thought (Patrick) Crayton and the other kid (Miles Austin) were pretty good. But Williams is in a different league than those guys. With (Crayton and Austin), you'd take your chances. With Williams, he's going to hurt you. I shouldn't say this, but this group could be a better offense than when they had (Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin and Emmitt Smith).

I forgot how touchy you Cowboy lovers get... and yes I realize that the Boys that won 3 in 4 are long gone...
here is the quote I was referring to so you will not get your feelings hurt anymore... and Romo is not anywhere near Aikman... or Staubach for that reason...

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by themsu97
Its the Cowboys... they will implode...

TO will be upset because RW will get many of those touches that TO feels he so desperately needs...

However... RW is long regarded as a good receiver, but definitely a very classy guy... what Dallas needs right now... he may even be a leader in the locker room which could really help the Pokes... this does the Boys more good than bad...

I am not a Dallas fan... but for someone to say that this team is better offensively than the triplet era is insane... Irvin is better than TO, Novacek is better than Whitten, AIkman is better than ROmo and there is noway Barber, as good as he is, is even close to Emmitt

I agree with what Txbroadcaster had to say in the Witten-Novacek debate, but I also think that T.O. might be better than Irvin. I know that's near heresy to say, but If you look at T.O. in San Fran, Philly, and here, he's at least in the same class as Irvin. He has more touchdowns than Irvin did (although Irvin's career was cut short), and they both have had some serious off-the-field issues.

I believe that the comment about the team being better offensively than the 90s team is trying to say that they have more weapons than the old 'Boys had overall. Who was the #2 guy in the Cowboys heyday? Guys like Alvin Harper--quality WR, but not a game-changer. Roy Williams is a potential game-changer. Although Emmitt is obviously light years ahead of Marion Barber, Felix Jones adds something that Sherman Williams never did.

And honestly, we live in a different era than the 90s Cowboys...the salary cap and expansion has changed rosters dramatically. In comparison with the competition around the league, I believe that a very good argument can be made about the current Cowboys offensive talent being better than the 90s Cowboys.

Talent doesn't equal Super Bowls, and this team has a LOOOONG way to go before they're even in the same class as the 90s in terms of greatness. But it's not out of the question that this team has more talent than the 90s team.

[sinton66]

... and Romo is not anywhere near Aikman... or Staubach for that reason...

Give the guy the same amount of time they had and he will blow them away if he maintains his current level of play and they keep quality players around him.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster


First off Witten is by far a better blocking TE than Novacek.. excuse me *girly comment* i read: Witten is by far a better LOOKING TE than Novacek :D

and i would agree....carry on

[themsu97]

to me, Romo reminds me alot of Steve Young...or a Dan Marino... good at putting up numbers, but cannot come through in the clutch... Young eventually got there, but he had a ton of talent... in my opinion, Young did not win near as many Super Bowls as he should have... and Marino only played in one... that is where I see Romo now, that may change when and if he learns to play the game better... more than likely what helped Troy was the 1-15 season and the years following until they turned the corner...

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by themsu97
to me, Romo reminds me alot of Steve Young...or a Dan Marino... good at putting up numbers, but cannot come through in the clutch... Young eventually got there, but he had a ton of talent... in my opinion, Young did not win near as many Super Bowls as he should have... and Marino only played in one... that is where I see Romo now, that may change when and if he learns to play the game better... more than likely what helped Troy was the 1-15 season and the years following until they turned the corner...

Let's tap the brakes on Romo. He's only played in 2 playoff games and both of those games he "played well enough for his team to win" and certianly didn't cost his teams those games (at least from a QB standpoint - Seattle).

People are quick to slot Romo, but forget that he's only in his 2nd full year as a starter.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by Macarthur
Let's tap the brakes on Romo. He's only played in 2 playoff games and both of those games he "played well enough for his team to win" and certianly didn't cost his teams those games (at least from a QB standpoint - Seattle).

People are quick to slot Romo, but forget that he's only in his 2nd full year as a starter.

Such is life in the NFL...

heck, I've heard Matt Ryan referred to as a "franchise quarterback for the Falcons" in more than one place this week. Sure, the guy has started off nicely, but six weeks is hardly long enough to make a long-term evaluation.