New Massey Ratings for 9/2/08

[WOS87]

He still hasn't adjusted for the realignment so Brownwood is still listed in 4A. Their overall rating is 1.86 which would put them a tiny bit ahead of WO-S at #4

Click here --->LINK (http://www.highschoolsports.net/defaultcal300x250.cfm?ct=stateratings&conftodisp=Texas&year=2008&conf_id1=CFB76376)

http://idisk.mac.com/cboehme69-Public/stats/masseyweek1.gif

[OldNavy]

Massey still has Brownwood in 4A. By their rating they would be listed 4th in 3A. Don't know if they will change them with the new alignment or not. They have the right schedule for them.

They would have Farmersville tied with Brownsboro in their ratings.

[WOS87]

Looks like he's starting to get the alignment straightened out as Brownwood is now listed as a 3A program if you click the link above:

Top 25 Toughest Schedules in 3A according to Massey
1. Giddings
2. Lytle
3. Liberty Hill
4. Vernon
5. Carthage
6. Burnet
7. Paris
8. Fairfield
9. Tatum
10. Jasper
11. Abilene Wylie
12. Iowa Park
13. Alvarado
14. Brownwood
15. West Orange-Stark
16. Sweetwater
17. West Columbia
18. Spring Hill
19. Andrews
20. Hamshire-Fannett
21. Burkburnett
22. Paris North Lamar
23. Lubbock Estacado
24. Caldwell
25. Navasota

Top 25 Toughest Offenses in 3A according to Massey
1. Liberty Hill
2. Gilmer
3. Celina
4. Waco La Vega
5. Cuero
6. Brownwood
7. Decatur
8. Diboll
9. Giddings
10. Abilene Wylie
11. China Spring
12. Robinson
13. Burnet
14. Argyle
15. Palestine Westwood
16. Caldwell
17. West Orange-Stark
18. Tatum
19. Carthage
20. Navasota
21. Cameron Yoe
22. Bridgeport
23. Fredericksburg
24. Wimberley
25. Snyder

Top 25 Toughest Defenses in 3A according to Massey
1. West Orange-Stark
2. Abilene Wylie
3. Graham
4. Giddings
5. Celina
6. Burkburnett
7. Brownwood
8. Liberty Hill
9. Waco La Vega
10. Vernon
11. Robinson
12. China Spring
13. Sweetwater
14. Liberty-Eylau
15. Crockett
16. Paris North Lamar
17. Argyle
18. Carthage
19. New Boston
20. Snyder
21. Burnet
22. Alvarado
23. Midland Greenwood
24. Cuero
25. Waco Connally

Overall Top 25 in 3A according to Massey
1. Liberty Hill
2. Celina
3. Abilene Wylie
4. Brownwood
5. West Orange-Stark (moved up 2)
6. Waco La Vega (moved down 2)
7. Giddings (moved down 1)
8. China Spring
9. Robinson
10. Cuero (moved up 5)
11. Graham (moved down 1)
12. Argyle (moved up 7)
13. Burkburnett (moved up 7)
14. Liberty-Eylau (moved up 8)
15. Vernon (moved down 1)
16. Burnet
17. Alvarado
18. Carthage (moved down 1)
19. Fredericksburg
20. Bellville (moved up 19)
21. Crockett (moved up 2)
22. Sweetwater (moved down 4)
23. Tatum
24. Wimberley (moved up 1)
25. Decatur (moved down 4)

[wimbo_pro]

Wow! Wimberley in the top 25...unexpected, but good to see. Hopefully we can build on this as the season goes on.

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Wow! Wimberley in the top 25...unexpected, but good to see. Hopefully we can build on this as the season goes on.
I don't think a random computer poll maybe 2 players will look at will affect anything.

[cshscougar08]

Robinson?!?!?!?! What a joke!!!!!!!

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by WOS87

Top 25 Toughest Schedules in 3A according to Massey
1. Giddings
2. Lytle
3. Liberty Hill
4. Vernon
5. Carthage
6. Burnet
7. Paris
8. Fairfield
9. Tatum
10. Jasper
11. Abilene Wylie
12. Iowa Park
13. Alvarado
14. Brownwood
15. West Orange-Stark
16. Sweetwater
17. West Columbia
18. Spring Hill
19. Andrews
20. Hamshire-Fannett
21. Burkburnett
22. Paris North Lamar
23. Lubbock Estacado
24. Caldwell
25. Navasota



unbelievable! phil c has lied to us! :mad: ;) :D

[Emerson1]

He has Brownwood on 3A now

[wimbo_pro]

Originally posted by Emerson1
I don't think a random computer poll maybe 2 players will look at will affect anything.

I didnt intend the ranking itself to have an affect...I meant our success last week.

[snake_attack]

How are the ratings determined?

[navscanmaster]

Originally posted by snake_attack
How are the ratings determined?

Some crazy algorithms.:confused: :vrycnfsd:

[OldNavy]

Originally posted by snake_attack
How are the ratings determined?

There is a very brief description from their website:

http://www.highschoolsports.net/hs-football/

Then click on the tab "About the Massey Ratings"

After following his system for several years the beginning of the season is based a lot on last years performance for initial strength. It takes several games for the statistics to begin to yield good results. It does not take into account calling off the dogs early or beating a team by 100 points. It smooths out many of those intangables and gives serious weight to wins and losses and comparison of other teams and their records against similar or the same competition. It ends up being completely objective, but does not start the season that way.

If I am not properly representing his algrithems I am sure someone will correct me. I have watched his work for about 8 years and like the fact that it is totally objective and fairly accurate as the number of games grow.

[ronwx5x]

Originally posted by OldNavy
There is a very brief description from their website:

http://www.highschoolsports.net/hs-football/

Then click on the tab "About the Massey Ratings"

After following his system for several years the beginning of the season is based a lot on last years performance for initial strength. It takes several games for the statistics to begin to yield good results. It does not take into account calling off the dogs early or beating a team by 100 points. It smooths out many of those intangables and gives serious weight to wins and losses and comparison of other teams and their records against similar or the same competition. It ends up being completely objective, but does not start the season that way.

If I am not properly representing his algrithems I am sure someone will correct me. I have watched his work for about 8 years and like the fact that it is totally objective and fairly accurate as the number of games grow.

I think almost every poll out there gets more accurate as more games are played. That only makes sense!

[WOS87]

Originally posted by ronwx5x
I think almost every poll out there gets more accurate as more games are played. That only makes sense!

Actually, I did a study on the AP poll going back almost 50 years and the Preseason polls are significantly more accurate at predicting an eventual state champ than the end of season polls are.

The final AP poll is released just prior to the playoffs beginning so it's actually an end of regular season poll.

[WOS87]

If you go by the Massey rankings, we have two stellar matchups this week.... (not that they weren't already stellar).

#1 Liberty Hill vs #3 Abilene Wylie (he predicts LH 30 - Wylie 25)
#4 Brownwood vs #6 Waco La Vega (he predicts Bwood 27 - LaVega 25)

[Bull19]

sealy aint ranked? :(

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Bull19
sealy aint ranked? :(

Sealy's at #71 (as his preseason ratings tend to takeoff from the end of last season). I predict Sealy will rise meteorically if they continue to win....

He's predicting them to beat Hempstead 26-15

Click here --->Sealy (http://www.highschoolsports.net/defaultcal300x250.cfm?ct=ratings&schoolid=TX7747415323&year=2008)

[jimmyceatworld]

I thought our schedule got a little easier this year compared to last year but I saw we have the 8th most difficult. I wonder what it was last year when we also played La Vega.

Robinson at 9 is a bit of a surprise.

[navscanmaster]

Originally posted by WOS87
He's predicting them to beat Hempstead 26-15


26+15=41
41-0 is more like it.



You just have to take what they give you and run with it!

[lostaussie]

Overall Top 25 in 3A according to Massey
1. Liberty Hill
2. Celina
3. Abilene Wylie
4. Brownwood
5. West Orange-Stark (moved up 2)
6. Waco La Vega (moved down 2)
7. Giddings (moved down 1)
8. China Spring
9. Robinson
10. Cuero (moved up 5)
11. Graham (moved down 1)
12. Argyle (moved up 7)
13. Burkburnett (moved up 7)
14. Liberty-Eylau (moved up 8)
15. Vernon (moved down 1)
16. Burnet
17. Alvarado
18. Carthage (moved down 1)
19. Fredericksburg
20. Bellville (moved up 19)
21. Crockett (moved up 2)
22. Sweetwater (moved down 4)
23. Tatum
24. Wimberley (moved up 1)
25. Decatur (moved down 4)


:thinking::thinking:

[DaHop72]

Originally posted by lostaussie
Overall Top 25 in 3A according to Massey
1. Liberty Hill
2. Celina
3. Abilene Wylie
4. Brownwood
5. West Orange-Stark (moved up 2)
6. Waco La Vega (moved down 2)
7. Giddings (moved down 1)
8. China Spring
9. Robinson
10. Cuero (moved up 5)
11. Graham (moved down 1)
12. Argyle (moved up 7)
13. Burkburnett (moved up 7)
14. Liberty-Eylau (moved up 8)
15. Vernon (moved down 1)
16. Burnet
17. Alvarado
18. Carthage (moved down 1)
19. Fredericksburg
20. Bellville (moved up 19)
21. Crockett (moved up 2)
22. Sweetwater (moved down 4)
23. Tatum
24. Wimberley (moved up 1)
25. Decatur (moved down 4)


:thinking::thinking: :eek: :eek:

Number 26 perhaps?:devil: :D

[Bull's-eye]

Originally posted by WOS87
Sealy's at #71 (as his preseason ratings tend to takeoff from the end of last season). I predict Sealy will rise meteorically if they continue to win....

He's predicting them to beat Hempstead 26-15

Click here --->Sealy (http://www.highschoolsports.net/defaultcal300x250.cfm?ct=ratings&schoolid=TX7747415323&year=2008)

I thought Sealy started slow, but finished last season very strong. If they only defeat Hempstead by 11, there's something wrong in Tiger Town.

[Bull's-eye]

Anybody have the Harris ratings?

[espn1]

Cuero's the team to keep your eye on!

[easttexas3a]

No Gilmer in the top 25, interesting.

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by DaHop72
:eek: :eek:

Number 26 perhaps?:devil: :D perhaps:D

[Texasfootball2]

Okay, lets liven things up with a never ending argument. But this statement is based on the facts of the Massey Ratings. And these have been around for a long time.

Strongest Region based on Massey Ratings!:D

Region 1 - 12 teams in top 25
(4 teams from district 2) #3,#4,#11,#22
(4 teams from district 8) #1,#16,#19,#24

(3 teams from district 5) #13,#15,#25

Region 3 - 6 teams in top 25

Region 2 - 4 teams in top 25

Region 4 - 3 teams in top 25

According to the Massey Ratings Region 1 is clearly the toughest region with 48% of the 25 teams. With three very though districts.

Region 3 is a distant second, but word has it they have the most speed and talent, at least that's what the word is anyway.

Regions 2 & 4 bring up the rear.

***There will be at least two teams on this list that will not make the playoffs. One from district 2 and one from district 8.:(

Also Snyder (another good Reg. 1 team was somehow left out of the top 25) :thinking: :doh:

[redfish961]

Originally posted by jimmyceatworld
I thought our schedule got a little easier this year compared to last year but I saw we have the 8th most difficult. I wonder what it was last year when we also played La Vega.

Robinson at 9 is a bit of a surprise.

I'd be pretty certain Robinson will evacuate this list in a hurry after friday.

Undersized and average speed with little experience on both offense and defense.

I don't think it's gonna be a bunch of fun for the Robinson gang this year.

[Dogman_1969]

Originally posted by redfish961
I'd be pretty certain Robinson will evacuate this list in a hurry after friday.

Undersized and average speed with little experience on both offense and defense.

I don't think it's gonna be a bunch of fun for the Robinson gang this year.

Rockdale didn't make the list and we seen the Tigers (well all but the ones that were held out of the scrimmage) and Robinson in the 2nd scrimmage.

Everyone needs to remember, the playoff's are won in November and December, not in September. There has been years where teams ranked or unranked burst on the scene late and make some big noise and I figure this year won't be any different.

But this does give us something to talk about Monday- Thursday's......

[Texasfootball2]

Originally posted by Dogman_1969
Rockdale didn't make the list and we seen the Tigers (well all but the ones that were held out of the scrimmage) and Robinson in the 2nd scrimmage.

Everyone needs to remember, the playoff's are won in November and December, not in September. There has been years where teams ranked or unranked burst on the scene late and make some big noise and I figure this year won't be any different.

But this does give us something to talk about Monday- Thursday's......

Maybe the Massey Ratings having something against TIGERS. Both Rockdale and Snyder:thinking:

[WOS87]

Originally posted by DaHop72
:eek: :eek:

Number 26 perhaps?:devil: :D

Hmmm.... he must still be tweaking the ratings because I could swear Gilmer wasn't there when I typed that post yesterday but they have now popped up again as #8 overall if you click the original link at the top... and they are listed as #8 on the graphic in my original post.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by WOS87
Hmmm.... he must still be tweaking the ratings because I could swear Gilmer wasn't there when I typed that post yesterday but they have now popped up again as #8 overall if you click the original link at the top... and they are listed as #8 on the graphic in my original post.

Probably still calculating. It changes off and on some while he is setting up the models and running them.

[Necks_Fan]

Originally posted by WOS87
17. West Columbia
Wow.... I knew we played some good squads, but I thought there were many others that had tougher schedules.


I guess El Campo beefs ours up quite a bit.

[Texasfootball2]

Originally posted by Texasfootball2
Okay, lets liven things up with a never ending argument. But this statement is based on the facts of the Massey Ratings. And these have been around for a long time.

Strongest Region based on Massey Ratings!:D

Region 1 - 12 teams in top 25
(4 teams from district 2) #3,#4,#11,#22
(4 teams from district 8) #1,#16,#19,#24

(3 teams from district 5) #13,#15,#25

Region 3 - 6 teams in top 25

Region 2 - 4 teams in top 25

Region 4 - 3 teams in top 25

According to the Massey Ratings Region 1 is clearly the toughest region with 48% of the 25 teams. With three very though districts.

Region 3 is a distant second, but word has it they have the most speed and talent, at least that's what the word is anyway.

Regions 2 & 4 bring up the rear.

***There will be at least two teams on this list that will not make the playoffs. One from district 2 and one from district 8.:(

Also Snyder (another good Reg. 1 team was somehow left out of the top 25) :thinking: :doh:

Just want Go Blue to see this. Even though I'm fixing to leave for the day, I know he has something to say about it.

[1st and goal]

I have thought that Gidding's schedule this year is at least as tough as anybody elses but I didn't want to be the biggest Homer on this board and brag about it. When Sealy rises up in the top teams, (which I'm sure they will), it will increase Giddings strength of schedule only more. I just hope we didn't bite off too much to chew.

[popcorn screen]

Burk is rated too high. Saw them play Sweetwater in the opener. Both teams did not look very sharp. Argyle should be higher. We will see how they fare this week - - tough assignment. If Graham has 16 boys starting that have never played varsity ball (not sure on this, but using info from another poster) then they might be a bit too high. I agree that the Gobblers will be a strong contender. Lots of interesting positions, early in season. Thank gosh for Fridays, so the teams can settle these issues on the field. Gilmer not in the top 10? Anyhow, I think it is fun to look at rankings. I think it gets folks fired up to see some football.

[block&tackle]

Originally posted by 1st and goal
I have thought that Gidding's schedule this year is at least as tough as anybody elses but I didn't want to be the biggest Homer on this board and brag about it. When Sealy rises up in the top teams, (which I'm sure they will), it will increase Giddings strength of schedule only more. I just hope we didn't bite off too much to chew.
Strength of Schedule at this point is based on games played so Giddings has the higest SOS because the one game that they have played is against the #1 team in the state.

[WOS87]

Massey predicted LH 30 Wylie 25

He came pretty darn close

[WOS87]

Originally posted by popcorn screen
Burk is rated too high. Saw them play Sweetwater in the opener. Both teams did not look very sharp. Argyle should be higher. We will see how they fare this week - - tough assignment. If Graham has 16 boys starting that have never played varsity ball (not sure on this, but using info from another poster) then they might be a bit too high. I agree that the Gobblers will be a strong contender. Lots of interesting positions, early in season. Thank gosh for Fridays, so the teams can settle these issues on the field. Gilmer not in the top 10? Anyhow, I think it is fun to look at rankings. I think it gets folks fired up to see some football.

Looks like burk was rated appropriately

[WylieBulldog92]

Originally posted by WOS87
Massey predicted LH 30 Wylie 25

He came pretty darn close
Got our score right...

[navscanmaster]

Maybe Navasota and Gilmer will finally be allowed to join his hallowed top 25.;)

[WylieBulldog92]

Originally posted by WOS87
Looks like burk was rated appropriately

I do think some people underrate Burkburnett, I was about 90% sure they were going to win this week they were a young/very good team last year.

[Necks_Fan]

When will it have the updated info?

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by Necks_Fan
When will it have the updated info?
There's still games to be played, but I think it's usually updated on Monday or Tuesday.

[Necks_Fan]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
There's still games to be played, but I think it's usually updated on Monday or Tuesday. Cool. Hey, go look at the POTW thread. I'm curious.