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jason
07-11-2008, 08:42 AM
Winnipeg 'white pride' mother regrets redrawing swastika on child's arm
Last Updated: Thursday, July 10, 2008 | 7:50 PM CT Comments195Recommend56
CBC News

A Winnipeg mother whose children were seized by authorities after she sent her daughter to school with a swastika on her arm says she regrets redrawing the Nazi symbol after a teacher scrubbed it off.

The mother, who considers herself a white nationalist, is fighting the child welfare system to regain custody of her daughter, 7, and son, 2. They were taken away after the girl was sent to school with the swastika drawn on her arm.

Four months ago, her daughter drew a swastika on her arm and went to school, where her teacher scrubbed it off. The mother helped her daughter draw it on her arm again, an act she regrets.

"It was one of the stupidest things I've done in my life but it's no reason to take my kids," the mother told CBC News.

Child and Family Services case workers were alerted and went to the family's apartment, where they found neo-Nazi symbols and flags, and took custody of her son. Her daughter was taken from school.

In court documents, social workers say they're worried the parents' conduct and associations might harm the emotional well-being of the children and put them at risk.

Although she proudly wears a silver necklace that includes a swastika and has "white pride" flags in her home, the mother, who can't be named to avoid identifying her children, denies she's a neo-Nazi or white supremacist.

"A black person has a right to say black power or black pride and yet they're turning around on us and saying we're racists and bigots and neo-Nazis because we say white pride. It's hypocrisy at its finest."

The mother has been fighting in court for four months to get back her children, who are living with extended family. The mother can see her children for two hours a week.

"It's been gut-wrenching. I didn't get off the couch for the first eight days; I just cried. I laid in their bed and held their stuffed animals and just cried. Last few nights, I've been sleeping in my daughter's bed."

She's outraged that the police and child welfare authorities could take her children away because of her beliefs.

"I'm willing to jump through their hoops," she said. "If they want me to deny my beliefs, I'll tell them that, but at the same time, I'm not a traitor to my politics, my beliefs. I just want my kids back."
Case sparks debate

The case has sparked questions about whether the state has the right to protect children from their parents' beliefs.

University of Winnipeg professor Helmut-Harry Loewen, an expert on hate groups, said while he disagrees with the ideology, he fears taking custody based on beliefs is draconian.

"If children are apprehended based on parents' political or religious beliefs, then one is opening a kind of slippery slope," he said.

But University of Manitoba professor Harvy Frankel, dean of the faculty of social work, said officials did the right thing.

"We should be reassured that this is child welfare practice as it should be."

If the two sides can't resolve their differences next week, they'll go to family court, likely in the fall.


LINK (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2008/07/10/swastika-child.html)

ronwx5x
07-11-2008, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by jason
Winnipeg 'white pride' mother regrets redrawing swastika on child's arm
Last Updated: Thursday, July 10, 2008 | 7:50 PM CT Comments195Recommend56
CBC News

A Winnipeg mother whose children were seized by authorities after she sent her daughter to school with a swastika on her arm says she regrets redrawing the Nazi symbol after a teacher scrubbed it off.

The mother, who considers herself a white nationalist, is fighting the child welfare system to regain custody of her daughter, 7, and son, 2. They were taken away after the girl was sent to school with the swastika drawn on her arm.

Four months ago, her daughter drew a swastika on her arm and went to school, where her teacher scrubbed it off. The mother helped her daughter draw it on her arm again, an act she regrets.

"It was one of the stupidest things I've done in my life but it's no reason to take my kids," the mother told CBC News.

Child and Family Services case workers were alerted and went to the family's apartment, where they found neo-Nazi symbols and flags, and took custody of her son. Her daughter was taken from school.

In court documents, social workers say they're worried the parents' conduct and associations might harm the emotional well-being of the children and put them at risk.

Although she proudly wears a silver necklace that includes a swastika and has "white pride" flags in her home, the mother, who can't be named to avoid identifying her children, denies she's a neo-Nazi or white supremacist.

"A black person has a right to say black power or black pride and yet they're turning around on us and saying we're racists and bigots and neo-Nazis because we say white pride. It's hypocrisy at its finest."

The mother has been fighting in court for four months to get back her children, who are living with extended family. The mother can see her children for two hours a week.

"It's been gut-wrenching. I didn't get off the couch for the first eight days; I just cried. I laid in their bed and held their stuffed animals and just cried. Last few nights, I've been sleeping in my daughter's bed."

She's outraged that the police and child welfare authorities could take her children away because of her beliefs.

"I'm willing to jump through their hoops," she said. "If they want me to deny my beliefs, I'll tell them that, but at the same time, I'm not a traitor to my politics, my beliefs. I just want my kids back."
Case sparks debate

The case has sparked questions about whether the state has the right to protect children from their parents' beliefs.

University of Winnipeg professor Helmut-Harry Loewen, an expert on hate groups, said while he disagrees with the ideology, he fears taking custody based on beliefs is draconian.

"If children are apprehended based on parents' political or religious beliefs, then one is opening a kind of slippery slope," he said.

But University of Manitoba professor Harvy Frankel, dean of the faculty of social work, said officials did the right thing.

"We should be reassured that this is child welfare practice as it should be."

If the two sides can't resolve their differences next week, they'll go to family court, likely in the fall.


LINK (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2008/07/10/swastika-child.html)

Let's all vote to bring back common sense.

Phil C
07-11-2008, 09:08 AM
How about Beverly Sutphin as mom of the year?

ronwx5x
07-11-2008, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by Phil C
How about Beverly Sutphin as mom of the year?

Phil I admit I had to search for the name Beverly Sutphin as I am not the movie aficianado you are. That movie(Serial Mom) actually sounds like it might be entertaining. May rent it.

44INAROW
07-11-2008, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by ronwx5x
Phil I admit I had to search for the name Beverly Sutphin as I am not the movie aficianado you are. That movie(Serial Mom) actually sounds like it might be entertaining. May rent it.
is that the movie with Kathleen Turner?

ronwx5x
07-11-2008, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by 44INAROW
is that the movie with Kathleen Turner?

Yes. Have you seen it? Any good? Sounds hilarious.

44INAROW
07-11-2008, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by ronwx5x
Yes. Have you seen it? Any good? Sounds hilarious.
watched it a while back - it was pretty funny I thought. Lots of "DUH" moments........ but I liked it

pirate4state
07-11-2008, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by ronwx5x
Yes. Have you seen it? Any good? Sounds hilarious. If you like dark humor you'll love it!

ronwx5x
07-11-2008, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
Im 100% on the mother's side, and she should win this one walking away. Not the government's job to raise kids.

While I agree with the basic idea that parents should be able to raise their children and educate them in the parent's beliefs, some people should not be parents. But if we prohibited some people from having children we would be China . This is lose, lose.

Ranger Mom
07-11-2008, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Ernest T Bass
Im 100% on the mother's side, and she should win this one walking away. Not the government's job to raise kids.

I agree!!

What is worse, drawing a swastika on a kids arm......or raising your daughter to get married at 14 to a child molester....all in the name of "religion??"

At least she isn't out there pimping her kid!

Phil C
07-11-2008, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by 44INAROW
is that the movie with Kathleen Turner?

Yes and it is Serial Mom as others have pointed out. Also it is not to be taken seriously as P4S has stated because it is dark humor.