Is Burnet good enough to beat some of the best teams in 4A and 5A?

[J-town Hustler]

Here is a question to all of you out there. Do you find it feasible that Burnet could beat most of the top teams in 4A and also 5A? Tell me what you think

[J-RABBITS]

defenitely not the best in 5a...theyre too big...but yes, they could beat alot of 4a teams though...

[3afan2K3]

no

[Chief Woodman]

Marlin beat Ennis last year....so I will have to say YES they CAN. Question might should be WOULD they? There is a difference between the two. I do not know the answer to that question, but I would love to see the game that provides the answer.

[J-RABBITS]

look what southlake carroll did...went to 5a their 1st year and went undefeated (i think) and won the 5a d2 title all in their 1st year...and theyre back this year ranked in the top 4 in the state...so you never know if burnet could do that in 4a...

[J-town Hustler]

I think that it would be easier for a 3A team to beat a 4A team than, to go all the way up to 5A. Just too big of a difference there. Likewise though, there are some good 4A teams that could beat 5A. It would definitely be a good match.

[PAINTBALL]

I think Everman, Burnet, or Sinton would have advanced very far in Div. 2 4A last year, and the same goes for Burnet again this year. When I see another team play as good a game as Everman and Sinton against Burnet this year I will add them to this list.

[dawgdad]

Burnet did beat two 4-A teams this year Austin Reagan- they made the playoffs (score was 47-0) and Killeen Shoemaker (score was 49-7). I think that we could beat quite a few of the 4-A teams. Having a greater attendance at the school does not guarantee that students will want to play sports, faculty and community have to encourage and support them. Most of the students at BHS are involved in some kind of extra-curricular activity and it is because of the teachers and coaches and parents who back and participate in their community. Am proud of all these kids!!! Have seen some big schools where there are barely enough students to make a football team on the field and no one in the band.

[Chief Woodman]

dawgdad:
Burnet did beat two 4-A teams this year Austin Reagan- they made the playoffs (score was 47-0) and Killeen Shoemaker (score was 49-7). I think that we could beat quite a few of the 4-A teams. Having a greater attendance at the school does not guarantee that students will want to play sports, faculty and community have to encourage and support them. Most of the students at BHS are involved in some kind of extra-curricular activity and it is because of the teachers and coaches and parents who back and participate in their community. Am proud of all these kids!!! Have seen some big schools where there are barely enough students to make a football team on the field and no one in the band.Carter-Riverside is a perfect example of what you just said. Large 3 A school, but barely field enough to play football.

[PPHSfan]

Forney beat Aledo this year again. Aledo is ranked number 36 in 4A Data Poll and is still in the 4A playoffs. Burnet is probably as good as Forney if not better, so I think the answer is most likely.

[BigDog]

I'm sick of all this Burnet "What If's"! What If they could have beaten Everman last year, then they could be State 3A Champions. The way I see it at this point is Burnet is 1 of 16 teams left in 3A Divison I and have the same chance as all 16 teams to become Champions. I'm sure they have a good team but please just let the kids play!

[war-town]

bulldogs have their handsfull this weekend with the tigers the biggest and fastest team in 3a

[PAINTBALL]

BigDog:
I'm sick of all this Burnet "What If's"! What If they could have beaten Everman last year, then they could be State 3A Champions. The way I see it at this point is Burnet is 1 of 16 teams left in 3A Divison I and have the same chance as all 16 teams to become Champions. I'm sure they have a good team but please just let the kids play!What do you want the Burnet fans to talk about?
Forney?
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[kaorder1999]

burnet plays Highland Park and gets killed. Burnet plays Denton Ryan and gets killed. Burnet plays Wylie and gets killed. Burnet plays Denison and gets killed. Burnet plays Greenville and gets beat..maybe not killed. And those are all teams out of 11 and 12-4A...except for DR

There is a HUGE difference between 3A and 4A. SLC was able to be successful caus ethe city grew so quick. They had HUGE numbers.

<small>[ November 18, 2003, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: kaorder1999 ]</small>

[J-town Hustler]

I agree that there is a good possibility for any team in 3A Division 1 to go all the way. However, there is no mistaking in the quality team Burnet is. I am merely basing this on what I saw last year at Kyle Field and on the rankings of the Houston Chronicle. Any of the top teams have just as good of a chance. It all depends on who comes out to play and how well the coaches do their job.

[PPHSfan]

kaorder1999:
burnet plays Highland Park and gets killed. Burnet plays Denton Ryan and gets killed. Burnet plays Wylie and gets killed. Burnet plays Denison and gets killed. Burnet plays Greenville and gets beat..maybe not killed. And those are all teams out of 11 and 12-4A...except for DR

There is a HUGE difference between 3A and 4A. SLC was able to be successful caus ethe city grew so quick. They had HUGE numbers.Burnet's power rating 120.9

Denton Ryan 121.6

Wylie 119.6

Higland Park 119.4

Dennison 116.8

As a matter of fact only 6 teams in 5A and 3 teams in 4A have a higher power rating than Burnet.

That puts them in the top ten in the whole state in power ratings.

I dont agree with you.

<small>[ November 18, 2003, 09:56 PM: Message edited by: PPHSfan ]</small>

[kaorder1999]

oh god..you have to be kidding...that power rating crap is just that..a bunch of crap. There is no way that Burnet beats Highland Park or any of those other teams...

<small>[ November 18, 2003, 09:55 PM: Message edited by: kaorder1999 ]</small>

[olddawggreen]

kaorder1999:
burnet plays Highland Park and gets killed. Burnet plays Denton Ryan and gets killed. Burnet plays Wylie and gets killed. Burnet plays Denison and gets killed. Burnet plays Greenville and gets beat..maybe not killed. And those are all teams out of 11 and 12-4A...except for DR

There is a HUGE difference between 3A and 4A. SLC was able to be successful caus ethe city grew so quick. They had HUGE numbers.My friend Todd Dodge might have had something to do with SLC's success too. :D

[kaorder1999]

i agree...

[kaorder1999]

where are you getting the power rating stuff? DataPoll?

[PPHSfan]

I am gonna bet that Kaorder has never seen Burnet play. Especially not this year. 5A just means they have more students, it does not mean they are Bigger, Faster, or Better. Yes they can be deeper, but Burnet is a powerhouse. They probably have as many D1 recruits as any of those other schools this year.

[kaorder1999]

yeah...have seen them on film...dont talk to other people about me...talk to me about me

[3afan2K3]

If burnet wins the state championship in 3A only then can you start talking about beating good 4A teams. But until they prove they can actually beat good teams from their own classification, thats when your can start talking

[PPHSfan]

I should have said "You" instead of "Kaorder", however, I was really talking to you. In case you have not noticed, I even talk about myself in the third person all of the time. PPHSfan is just that way.

[kaorder1999]

numbers make a HUGE difference....HP suits up 90 juniors and seniors...like 2 sophomores...those types of numbers make a hige difference. Ive experienced 3A football and 4A football. There is a big difference. Forney is considered a great 3A football team. No disrespect intended here...they lost to a good Mesquite Horn team..a team that didnt make the playoffs out of District 12-4A.

[PPHSfan]

And Forney Beat Aledo, twice in the past two years, and Aledo is STILL IN the 4A playoffs. Do not preach to me about size, I know what depth is. But I also know that there are exceptions to the rule, and Burnet is one of them.

[kaorder1999]

well..aledo is a SMALL 4A school...you're right..they did beat them but Aledo is not all that...Aledo has only been successful in the playoffs because they are in Region 1. Put them in Region 2 and they do nothing!

<small>[ November 18, 2003, 10:45 PM: Message edited by: kaorder1999 ]</small>

[kaorder1999]

Burnet's Schedule

Austin Reagan 6-5 (Playoff Team Barely)
Gatesville 7-3
Kileen Shoemaker 4-6
Midland Christian ?
Marlin 7-4 (Playoff Team)
Llano 4-6
Bandera 2-8
Wimberly 8-3 (Playoff Team)
Ingram Moore 4-6
Liberty Hill 10-1 (playoff Team)
Somerset 8-3 (Playoff Team)
Wharton 8-3 (Playoff Team)

None of those teams really impress me. Liberty Hill is 10-1 but none of these are Great teams. None are even good Region 2 teams.

[kaorder1999]

Burnet doesnt beat:
Garland
Lufkin
The Woodlands
Temple
Dallas Carter
Allen
Coppell
Katy
DeSoto
Mesquite

4A
Texas High
Denton Ryan
Corsicana
Highland Park
Wylie
Kilgore
Brownwood
Denison

There is no way! Burnet is a Super 3A team but they dont beat those teams mentioned above.

[PPHSfan]

I disagree. And unless they play and lose to all of those teams, the best you can do is disagree as well. After all it is I that have the football brain on loan from God :D

[kaorder1999]

tell your Burnet coaching staff to schedule some 4A Region 2 teams and 5A Region 2 teams in predistrict next year.

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"And Forney Beat Aledo, twice in the past two years" FALSE

<small>[ November 18, 2003, 10:35 PM: Message edited by: kaorder1999 ]</small>

[PPHSfan]

I don't know the Burnet staff, and I certainly do not own them. I did however make a mistake when I said Forney beat Aledo twice in the last two years. But you are welcome to correct me more than once if you feel it is neccessary. However, since I am already on the line with Gainesville in my signature, the best I can offer is for you to slam me in your own.

[kaorder1999]

before you get rude.....forgot i had already said that...and what are you talking about slamming you in a line

[j_dog]

One game, with everyone healthy, Burnet could have a chance against anyone in Texas. Week in and week out, playing 4a, they would be very conpetitive. Playing 5a week after week, forget about it. They would not have the depth at current enrollment.

[PPHSfan]

I fail to see where I was rude.(PPHSfan is NEVER RUDE, PPHSfan is Always Right) :D And you did try to make it look like it was in your signature by typing it like this.

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"And Forney Beat Aledo, twice in the past two years" FALSE

[kaorder1999]

if i wanted to make it my signature i would have already done it...

[PPHSfan]

Never Mind.....my daddy always told me "Son, never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Goodnight everybody. :D I am going to bed.

[kaorder1999]

great job...show your intelligence level...i appreciate that

[whtfbplaya]

J-town Hustler:
Here is a question to all of you out there. Do you find it feasible that Burnet could beat most of the TOP TEAMS in 4A and also 5A? Tell me what you think#### naw, I mean no.

[keep_it_real]

I think in the way that Celina made an impact in 2A then came up to 3a and still makes an impact is a good example. I think Burnet could contend with definitely 4A, and they could beat some 5A teams......

[whtfbplaya]

classification alone does not matter I know some 2a schools that could beat some 5a schools it is all about the program but the question said the best 4 and 5a schools.

[kaorder1999]

there is a much bigger difference between 3A and 4A than there is between 2A and 3A....

[dawg03]

Burnet has been through many 4A teams during pre season, and I think they can do it again with more teams!

[kaorder1999]

but those teams arent Highland Park, Denton Ryan, Corsicana...blah blah blah....sure...a 3A team CAN beat a 4A team...it happens all the time...sure...marlin beat ennis last year...but ennis would win the next 9 if they played again...

put Burnet is District 12-4A and they have trouble making hte playoffs

[Goob]

A very good 3A team can beat a very good 4A team quite a few times I think. I think the the Everman team of the last 2 years would have matched up very good against the Ennis or Denton teams of the last 2 years. They were just too fast for the teams they played against and I'm not talking about offensive speed I'm talking about DEFENSIVE SPEED. What I am saying is that Everman probably would have won state in 4A divsion 2 in 2001 and 2002.

[Buccaneer]

Hopefully Burnet moves to 4A next year!

[dawg03]

Hopefully for who, YOU!

[agrabfan]

My opinion is that Burnet or any of the top 5 3A
teams ( Burnet, Gainesville, Forney, Everman,
Gilmer, and whoever else might belong in this
group ) could and in fact would most of the time
beat all but the top 12-15 teams in 4A and the
top 40-50 teams in 5A.

[kaorder1999]

A very good 3A team can beat a very good 4A team quite a few times I think. I think the the Everman team of the last 2 years would have matched up very good against the Ennis or Denton teams of the last 2 years. They were just too fast for the teams they played against and I'm not talking about offensive speed I'm talking about DEFENSIVE SPEED. What I am saying is that Everman probably would have won state in 4A divsion 2 in 2001 and 2002. Wow...not sure bout that!

[olddog73]

kaorder1999:
Burnet doesnt beat:
Garland
Lufkin
The Woodlands
Temple
Dallas Carter
Allen
Coppell
Katy
DeSoto
Mesquite

4A
Texas High
Denton Ryan
Corsicana
Highland Park
Wylie
Kilgore
Brownwood
Denison

There is no way! Burnet is a Super 3A team but they dont beat those teams mentioned above.I think Forney could beat any one of these teams any day!

[keep_it_real]

I remember when Burnet wasn't that good, we used to beat them every year.......those were the days

[kaorder1999]

olddog73:

kaorder1999:
Burnet doesnt beat:
Garland
Lufkin
The Woodlands
Temple
Dallas Carter
Allen
Coppell
Katy
DeSoto
Mesquite

4A
Texas High
Denton Ryan
Corsicana
Highland Park
Wylie
Kilgore
Brownwood
Denison

There is no way! Burnet is a Super 3A team but they dont beat those teams mentioned above.I think Forney could beat any one of these teams any day!you're kidding right?

[olddog73]

keep_it_real:
I remember when Burnet wasn't that good, we used to beat them every year.......those were the daysYes but those days are gone, Burnet High School is very different that it was 10 years ago. There has been a tremendious amount of growth in Burnet County due to the growth in Travis and Williamson Counties. Our school district is working hard to keep up with it, building new high school, ect..... Not a lot has changed in the town of Burnet, but the county population is growing fast.

[3afan]

i think he's being sarcastic, but i could be mistaken.

my opinion to the original question - Is Burnet good enough to beat some of the best teams in 4A and 5A? - is YES. but so could many other of the top 3A teams. And not just this year, its every year.

[Old Dog]

After suffering thru years of hardly winning, we oldsters are really having a blast watching our teams during the last decade or so. In fact, I think Burnet went 2-38 over one four year period in the late 60's or early 70's.

As to the beating 4A and 5A schools, sure enough, they could beat scads of 4A's and quite a few 5A's. But facts are facts and most of the future teams we field wouldn't have the extreme talent of the present team. If the school board will keep good coaches here, and maintain the discipline Coach Shipley has instilled, we will continue to be very competitive.

<small>[ November 19, 2003, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: Old Dog ]</small>

[District303aPastPlayer]

i dont get it... they cant win state, but you want them to be a super team in another classification. If they can schedule the likes of Ennis, Corsicana, Southlake Carroll, Highland Park, and Denton Ryan... and go undefeated, no, they cant. I doubt it highly... I wont go into an arguement of skill, but more of numbers. SLC could send in a new set of players series, but 3A teams have limited numbers of players. Teams like Burnet and Everman shouldnt even be 3A right now. But that is a whole other arguement in itself. SO after all this blabbering, my answer is NO... they could not.

<small>[ November 19, 2003, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: District303aPastPlayer ]</small>

[Old Dog]

Please get off the "they shouldn't be 3A" stuff!
Those 2-38 years were when Burnet went from the old 1A to 2A, so we too know what it's like to be the little one on the block. Sooner or later you will have your wish and Burnet will move up and you can gripe about the next school that's too big to suit you.

[J-town Hustler]

If Burnet could play against other teams of calibur in different classifications, I believe they would do quite well, and would be some hard competition to win against.

[bulldogman]

The obvious answer is yes. They probably could not beat the best 4a and 5a schools. That being the top 7 or 8. But the majority, of course they could. Anyone who says otherwise is either jealous or has not seen this team play. They can be beaten like anyone else. That is why they play the games every week. This is a great team by anyones standards.

[kaorder1999]

yeah...there are a lot of BAD 4A teams..ATHENS, MABANK, WHITEHOUSE, PINETREE, DISD, etc....but to say that they could beat all but the top 7 or 8 just doesn't make much sense....

Denison and their stud Tailback Robertson lost in the first round of the playoffs to a district runner up in Wylie. Denison would walk all over 3A teams.

The point Im trying to make is they (DENISON) arent even in the top 10. Put Burnet in the same district...lets say 12-4A and they have a real hard time making the playoffs!

Forney, if they go to 4A next year will find that out also. They will probably be with Terrell, Ennis, maybe Highland Park, Wylie, maybe Corsicana...

how i think they would do in 12-4a
HIGHLAND PARK
WYLIE
BURNET
RICHARDSON PIERCE
MESQUITE HORN
POTEET
WEST MESQUITE

[J-town Hustler]

I think it would be the perfect chance for a 2A or 3A school such as Burnet to pull an upset against one of the larger schools. To prove who is the greater team. It would require talent, good coaching, and strategy.

<small>[ November 19, 2003, 07:34 PM: Message edited by: J-town Hustler ]</small>

[bulldogmom2]

Well, I'm not sure about this topic, but must say I stop at all topic talking about Burnet. I think we can beat some of the larger schools. Because it's not the size of the school that determins the power on the field.
A comment was made about Burnet not being able to win a state championship. Maybe if you were at that game last year, you would of gotten from it the same thing that all the Evermen and Burnet people did. A friendship that I think will last a life time between these 2 towns. And a reality check on what sportsmanship is all about. To sit up in those stands and watch Corey Fulbright lay there was upsetting to every person in that dome. It was like the air got sucked out of the place, and at that point alot of people said the game was over. Hearts were broken on both sides of the building. So, last year there were 2 Champions, Burnet and Everman. Champions of the Heart.
Had to get that off my chest.

[sharpie]

I am curious to see how Burnet responds next year after Mcgee and Shipley are gone. I think they will still win the district but how does the JV look?

[Dawgfan97]

Actually JV looks good! Parks had his first taste of Varsity and I belive that he is a Soph. Last week he showed what he could do and I belive he did score a few for the old green and white. There are a few other players with promise moving up and I here that teh freshman team can hold their own too!

[Hottogo]

sharpie:
I am curious to see how Burnet responds next year after Mcgee and Shipley are gone. I think they will still win the district but how does the JV look?JV lost 1 game I believe and Freshmen were undefeted. I think we will hold our own next year. It could be a rebuilding year with a new coaching staff though.

[cunbed10]

Ennis would be Burnet this year, with ease, they're just that good.

[Old '91 DAWG]

Just wanted to comment on the yahoo that said that he remembers when they used to kill Burnet. Well it must not have been in the early 90's because we were kickin' a** and taking names. Don't forget we played in the state championship game in 1991 and lost 7-0 to Groesbeck. We were a great team as are the Bulldogs of new, and we didn't have a pass offense and great weight facilities, and sponsorships, and 7-on-7, and all that stuff. We were all home grown DAWGS not these imported kids that have since moved into town. We lined up and ran it down your throat!!

[Matthew328]

My opinion on the matter is this...Burnet would be a VERY good 4A team..top 20 maybe top 15..I dunno..they wouldn't have a chance against Ennis though..LOL man those guys are good..

[J-town Hustler]

I think that if Burnet was in the 4A classification, they would prolly be in the top 15, perhaps 10. If they were in 5A, they would prolly be in the top twenty, maybe 15. It is one of those things you can just not truely tell until it happens.

[3afan2K3]

J-town Hustler:
I think that if Burnet was in the 4A classification, they would prolly be in the top 15, perhaps 10. If they were in 5A, they would prolly be in the top twenty, maybe 15. It is one of those things you can just not truely tell until it happens.Burnet would not be in the top 20 in 3A

[J-town Hustler]

They already are in the top twenty for 3A. In the top 5 in fact.

[bigdogsbulldogmom]

i think burnet could take on 4a schools for sure. dont know for sure bout 5a but anything is possible with this team they are very level headed and cool under pressure they would do well even playing dallas cowboys ha ha

[jerry7]

Hey I know that Burnett is a great team BUT HELLO... what 5A teams are we talking about...

[J-town Hustler]

When it comes to Texas football, and the calibur team Burnet is, I think that they would stand quite well against the 4A teams. 5A though? Probably not the best, but certainly some of the others. People should not underestimate Burnet's abilities. They are a well organized team, and have some talent. That is why I think that they would match up good against some of the bigger schools.

[Hot Rod]

sharpie:
I am curious to see how Burnet responds next year after Mcgee and Shipley are gone. I think they will still win the district but how does the JV look?the JV is looking very good they still need a lttel more coaching and experance i belive they moved the JV QB up for the playoffs if you will ck last weeks 4 QT it was the JV QB im pretty sure

[Hot Rod]

3afan2K3:

J-town Hustler:
I think that if Burnet was in the 4A classification, they would prolly be in the top 15, perhaps 10. If they were in 5A, they would prolly be in the top twenty, maybe 15. It is one of those things you can just not truely tell until it happens.Burnet would not be in the top 20 in 3Ayou might want to go ck the rankings i belive you find Burnet at the #1 spot for 3a