Dave Campbell Top 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[setxsports]

My Brother got his Mag early in the Mail

1. Liberty Hill
2. Navasota
3. Brownwood
4. La Vega
5. Celina
6. China Spring
7. Sealy
8. Cuero
9. WOS
10. CC West Oso
11. Liberty Eylau
12. Crockett
13. Giddings
14. Pleasant Grove
15. Glen Rose

[44INAROW]

beware of the Howling Bear :D

[WOS87]

Dave Campbell uses the Padilla Poll AS their ranking so no big surprise here...

16. Carthage
17. Dallas Madison
18. Snyder
19. Devine
20. Monahans
21. Lubbock Estacado
22. Diboll
23. Gilmer
24. Abilene Wylie
25. Rio Hondo

6 of the top 9 were all aligned to Region III last year. Luckily 3 of them have been shipped out. :D

[Maroon87]

Originally posted by 44INAROW
beware of the Howling Bear :D

No kidding. #10?? :eek:

[Txbroadcaster]

Glen Rose over teams like Gilmer..I aint buying it..I broadcast the Glen Rose vs PG game..Glen Rose was a nice team, but Gilmer would beat them like a drum, and yes I am talking about GR vs Gilmer 2008, I still say Gilmer would beat them buy 21 points

I feel the same way if GR took on Wylie, or Diboll who are also below them

[Phantom Stang]

Sweetwater could probably whip more than a couple of teams on that list.













Yeah, I know more than a couple of teams that aren't on that list could probably whip Sweetwater. But that's beside the point!:D

[eppy 12]

Originally posted by Maroon87
No kidding. #10?? :eek: :thinking: nope, can't, got a headache..........:confused:

[HEMOTOXIC]

Wow, The Rattlers at #2? I guess we will see this fall....I was thinking in the top 10 but not that high of a ranking...But hey, its just a ranking.

[footballgal]

Originally posted by 44INAROW
beware of the Howling Bear :D
:clap: ha! I was thinking the same thing.






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Ok PI Tarpons will start the season with a TOP 10 in week 0!

Gooooo Tarpons! (got to avenge that OT loss from last season)

[WHS02]

Wow, no not really, I believe Wylie was ranked near the same last year. Things like this is what drives the players and coaches. Just have to prove them wrong yet again!!

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Glen Rose over teams like Gilmer..I aint buying it..I broadcast the Glen Rose vs PG game..Glen Rose was a nice team, but Gilmer would beat them like a drum, and yes I am talking about GR vs Gilmer 2008, I still say Gilmer would beat them buy 21 points

I feel the same way if GR took on Wylie, or Diboll who are also below them especially after last year when Celina's JV was scoring on them

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Glen Rose over teams like Gilmer..I aint buying it..I broadcast the Glen Rose vs PG game..Glen Rose was a nice team, but Gilmer would beat them like a drum, and yes I am talking about GR vs Gilmer 2008, I still say Gilmer would beat them buy 21 points

I feel the same way if GR took on Wylie, or Diboll who are also below them

Glen Rose must have had a huge talent swing recently.
Sweetwater beat them 58-20 in the playoffs just a few
years ago.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
Glen Rose must have had a huge talent swing recently.
Sweetwater beat them 58-20 in the playoffs just a few
years ago.

honestly..they got a nice break in the play-offs we saw what they were when they took on Celina

Again..GR was a nice team, but watching them and PG play then same night same place watching Gilmer vs Velt play..It was night and day differencer as far as talent and skill

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Glen Rose over teams like Gilmer..I aint buying it..I broadcast the Glen Rose vs PG game..Glen Rose was a nice team, but Gilmer would beat them like a drum, and yes I am talking about GR vs Gilmer 2008, I still say Gilmer would beat them buy 21 points

I feel the same way if GR took on Wylie, or Diboll who are also below them

I agree with that. No way Glen Rose is that good. In the playoff run last year Glen Rose was only ok on offense. But on D they could not stop a little old lady. We ran our jv out there in the fourth quarter gave up one score and got 3 more. Unless Gilmore died over the summer they finish ahead of Glen Rose. I would have Glen Rose in my top 25.

[CheerMom]

What does 2a look like?

[kaide06]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Glen Rose over teams like Gilmer..I aint buying it..I broadcast the Glen Rose vs PG game..Glen Rose was a nice team, but Gilmer would beat them like a drum, and yes I am talking about GR vs Gilmer 2008, I still say Gilmer would beat them buy 21 points

I feel the same way if GR took on Wylie, or Diboll who are also below them

Glen Rose will be pretty salty this year. They return a great quarterback and I believe their top receiver and running back (or at least one of the two). Wouldn't be surprised to see Glen Rose make another deep run in the playoffs.

[waterboy]

I like my poll better.:D I think it's a little closer to the way it'll end up.
See below

Well.........based on the last couple of years, and what some teams lost as far as players, and this will probably ruffle a few feathers, but I will rank the teams like this:

1. Celina
2. China Spring
3. Cuero
4. Liberty Hill
5. Carthage
6. Abilene Wylie
7. Jasper
8. Gilmer
9. Brownwood
10. West Orange-Stark

I will go on:

11. Sealy
12. Burnet
13. Waco LaVega
14. Liberty-Eylau
15. Snyder
16. Navasota
17. Tatum
18. Wimberley
19. Llano
20. Fredericksburg
21. Graham
22. Madisonville
23. Gatesville
24. Sweetwater
25. Palestine

This was just for fun! Rankings don't matter anyway! We'll definitely know more about where they should be about halfway through the season.

[crimson blood]

curious that there are no s/e tx teams
are we really that 'down' this year in talent?

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by kaide06
Glen Rose will be pretty salty this year. They return a great quarterback and I believe their top receiver and running back (or at least one of the two). Wouldn't be surprised to see Glen Rose make another deep run in the playoffs.

yes they will return solid players, but sorry unless they all get a ton faster and more athletic I dont think they are a top 10 team..they could make a play-off run again simply because of the match ups

their three play-off wins this year we over teams with records of 4-7, 8-4, 10-3...Not really WOW teams

again GR is a nice team, but IMO not a top ten team

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by kaide06
Glen Rose will be pretty salty this year. They return a great quarterback and I believe their top receiver and running back (or at least one of the two). Wouldn't be surprised to see Glen Rose make another deep run in the playoffs.

They will be in region one this year. After one is setup like it is I would say it depends on the brackets. There are some salty teams in one this year in d2. Snyder will still be good. Vernon probably will still be good. LH, Wimberely, great good. REG 1 is going to bring some meat for the burger this year. I don't think Glen Rose will have enough cheese.

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by **********
My Brother got his Mag early in the Mail

1. Liberty Hill
2. Navasota
3. Brownwood
4. La Vega
5. Celina
6. China Spring
7. Sealy
8. Cuero
9. WOS
10. CC West Oso
11. Liberty Eylau
12. Crockett
13. Giddings
14. Pleasant Grove
15. Glen Rose


I got mine a couple of hours ago and disappointed that the Tigers are UNDERRATED

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
I got mine a couple of hours ago and disappointed that the Tigers are UNDERRATED didn't they lose clay and day?

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by Go Blue
didn't they lose clay and day?

Yes, but at Snyder we reload, we don't rebuild. The fullback is moving to tailback and he's a better runner than Clay.

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Yes, but at Snyder we reload, we don't rebuild. The fullback is moving to tailback and he's a better runner than Clay.
So it's more rearrange

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Yes, but at Snyder we reload, we don't rebuild. The fullback is moving to tailback and he's a better runner than Clay. then why wasn't he RB last year?:p


lol....i don't think you've done enough to prove that you "reload" at snyder.


Celina reloads
Cuero reloads
LH reloads
Gilmer reloads
SLC reloads

[Snydertigersrul]

When is the last time Snyder missed the playoffs?

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
When is the last time Snyder missed the playoffs? just cause you make the playoffs doesn't mean your stacked with loads of talent.....


how many years in a row has snyder won district?

[Snydertigersrul]

Plus this year's 100 and 200 state champion returns at cornerback and will probably see action on offense.

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Go Blue
then why wasn't he RB last year?:p


lol....i don't think you've done enough to prove that you "reload" at snyder.


Celina reloads
Cuero reloads
LH reloads
Gilmer reloads
SLC reloads

LH has only had 6 good seasons... Snyder has had 10 consecutive winning seasons with 9 playoff appearances in 11 years. If you're going to include LH in the "reload" club, I'd say Snyder, and quite a few other teams belong to it as well.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by WOS87
LH has only had 6 good seasons... Snyder has had 10 consecutive winning seasons with 9 playoff appearances in 11 years. If you're going to include LH in the "reload" club, I'd say Snyder, and quite a few other teams belong to it as well. But doesn't two state championships sound better? :D

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by WOS87
LH has only had 6 good seasons... Snyder has had 10 consecutive winning seasons with 9 playoff appearances in 11 years. If you're going to include LH in the "reload" club, I'd say Snyder, and quite a few other teams belong to it as well.

I agree and Liberty Hill, Cuero and Celina definitely should be in that group of teams.

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
I agree and Liberty Hill, Cuero and Celina definitely should be in that group of teams.


We need to add Abilene Wylie too

[Emerson1]

When is the last time they made it to the state championship?

And it was 2001, that was the last year of the 73 dismal stretch where they only made the playoffs 16 times, playing a total of 22 playoff games.

Making the playoffs in 4 and 5 team districts shouldn't count.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
We need to add Abilene Wylie too STR.....lets make a list of teams

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by Go Blue
STR.....lets make a list of teams


Ok, get it started

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
We need to add Abilene Wylie too

...and Liberty-Eylau (also with 2 state championships in the past 10 years)

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by WOS87
...and Liberty-Eylau (also with 2 state championships in the past 10 years)


I know that Tatum was 2A the past two years, but they need to be on the list, along with Gilmer.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Ok, get it started


LH
A. Wylie
China Spring
Snyder :p
Cuero
Gilmer
Celina

[RMAC]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Yes, but at Snyder we reload, we don't rebuild. The fullback is moving to tailback and he's a better runner than Clay.

Then why didn't he play running back last year?:thinking:

[WOS87]

Originally posted by CheerMom
What does 2a look like?

5A
1. Euless Trinity
2. Plano
3. Southlake Carroll
4. North Shore
5. Odessa Permian
6. Spring Westfield
7. Cypress Ridge
8. Abilene
9. Katy
10. San Antonio Warren
11. Pflugerville
12. Beaumont West Brook
13. Round Rock Stony Point
14. Allen
15. Pearland
16. San Antonio Roosevelt
17. Lufkin
18. Converse Judson
19. Cypress Falls
20. Arlington Bowie
21. Dallas Skyline
22. Aldine Eisenhower
24. Katy Cinco Ranch
25. Garland Naaman Forest

4A

1. Lake Travis
2. Wichita Falls Rider
3. Abilene Cooper
4. Dayton
5. Everman
6. Longview
7. Port Lavaca Calhoun
8. Stephenville
9. Texarkana
10. Corpus Christi Calallen
11. Lamar Consolidated
12. San Antonio Alamo Heights
13. Highland Park
14. Texas City
15. Schertz Steele
16. Dallas Carter
17. Beeville
18. La Marque
19. Kerrville Tivy
20. Mansfield Timberview
21. Aledo
22. Crosby
23. Gregory-Portland
24. Wolfforth Frenship
25. Waco High

3A

1. Liberty Hill
2. Navasota
3. Brownwood
4. Waco La Vega
5. Celina
6. China Spring
7. Sealy
8. Cuero
9. West Orange-Stark
10. Corpus Christi West Oso
11. Liberty-Eylau
12. Crockett
13. Giddings
14. Pleasant Grove
15. Glen Rose
16. Carthage
17. Dallas Madison
18. Snyder
19. Devine
20. Monahans
21. Lubbock Estacado
22. Diboll
23. Gilmer
24. Abilene Wylie
25. Rio Hondo

2A

1. Cisco
2. Pilot Point
3. Early
4. Arp
5. Crane
6. Hitchcock
7. DeKalb
8. Elysian Fields
9. Newton
10. Rice Consolidated
11. Caddo Mills
12. Blanco
13. Kirbyville
14. Clyde
15. McGregor
16. Winnsboro
17. Refugio
18. East Bernard
19. Idalou
20. Daingerfield
21. White Oak
22. Troy
23. Childress
24. Salado
25. Ballinger

1A

1. Maud
2. Sundown
3. Canadian
4. Alto
5. Roscoe
6. Nazareth
7. Cayuga
8. Itasca
9. Chilton
10. Mart
11. Quinlan Boles
12. Stratford
13. Archer City
14. Shiner
15. Mount Enterprise
16. Sunray
17. White Deer
18. Iraan
19. Tenaha
20. D'Hanis
21. Windthorst
22. De Leon
23. Collinsville
24. Munday
25. Morton

[mistanice]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Glen Rose over teams like Gilmer..I aint buying it..I broadcast the Glen Rose vs PG game..Glen Rose was a nice team, but Gilmer would beat them like a drum, and yes I am talking about GR vs Gilmer 2008, I still say Gilmer would beat them buy 21 points

I feel the same way if GR took on Wylie, or Diboll who are also below them

I know Diboll had a decent year last season, but I don't see how they can be in the top 25.

Have to replace a 2,000 yd rusher and a very productive receiver.

They do have qb returning and wr's with alot of upside.

Magazine has predicted Carthage to win, with Diboll in 2nd and Jasper 3rd.

I'm sure there a few Jasper fans who think otherwise!

What a fight it would have been with Crockett in the mix. Crockett, Carthage, Diboll, Jasper.

[HEMOTOXIC]

Originally posted by mistanice
I know Diboll had a decent year last season, but I don't see how they can be in the top 25.

Have to replace a 2,000 yd rusher and a very productive receiver.

They do have qb returning and wr's with alot of upside.

Magazine has predicted Carthage to win, with Diboll in 2nd and Jasper 3rd.

I'm sure there a few Jasper fans who think otherwise!

What a fight it would have been with Crockett in the mix. Crockett, Carthage, Diboll, Jasper.

That is one tough district.

1. Carthage
2. Jasper
3. Diboll

[trojan37]

Glen Rose is no way, no how a top twenty team. West had them beat last year and blew it late. Glen Rose was in a weak region and that's the only reason they went as far as they did. This year is a different story, being in Region 1, it ain't happenin'. As has been the case the last few years, China Spring will show them what it's all about in district, because they have slaughtered them the last couple of years. Gatesville was a very young team last year and could surprise some teams in that district. If Glen Rose makes the playoffs, it's over in the 1st round. And the same thing for Madison, unless there's something i'm missing, they shouldn't be a top 20 team either. There O line is massive, but super, super slow. They have kids with break away speed, but if you can put pressure on the qb, he won't have time to get rid of the ball. I mean, S-L-O-W!

[j_dog]

Originally posted by HEMOTOXIC
That is one tough district.

1. Carthage
2. Jasper
3. Diboll
The good thing about being in a tough district is that you don't have to meet one of those other teams in the first round. :)

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by trojan37
Glen Rose is no way, no how a top twenty team. West had them beat last year and blew it late. Glen Rose was in a weak region and that's the only reason they went as far as they did. This year is a different story, being in Region 1, it ain't happenin'. As has been the case the last few years, China Spring will show them what it's all about in district, because they have slaughtered them the last couple of years. Gatesville was a very young team last year and could surprise some teams in that district. If Glen Rose makes the playoffs, it's over in the 1st round. And the same thing for Madison, unless there's something i'm missing, they shouldn't be a top 20 team either. There O line is massive, but super, super slow. They have kids with break away speed, but if you can put pressure on the qb, he won't have time to get rid of the ball. I mean, S-L-O-W!


well then maybe West isnt that good??
:thinking:

and why China Springs so high? Yes they bring back Hicks but they lose Eskew. Whos going to throw him the ball?!:eek:

[Panther One]

Originally posted by HEMOTOXIC
That is one tough district.

1. Carthage
2. Jasper
3. Diboll
I think it'll come down to Carthage vs Jasper unless Diboll decides to find a defense before next year. I also think they'll finish in the order in which you have them.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
and why China Springs so high? Yes they bring back Hicks but they lose Eskew. Whos going to throw him the ball?!:eek:
"Little Bell" from what I've heard. ;)

[Daddy D 11]

Celina and China=Busts in 08:stirpot:

[trojan37]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
"Little Bell" from what I've heard. ;)

LHPM, weren't you at the CS 7 on 7? A "little birdie" told me Bell sucked at QB, but the whole time I was asking myself how did they win the tournament if he sucks? I ask myself questions all the time.:D

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by trojan37
LHPM, weren't you at the CS 7 on 7? A "little birdie" told me Bell sucked at QB, but the whole time I was asking myself how did they win the tournament if he sucks? I ask myself questions all the time.:D
No, I was just getting updates by phone. :) (Do you also answer the questions you ask yourself? :D )

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
Celina and China=Busts in 08:stirpot: :1popcorn: :1popcorn:

[trojan37]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
Celina and China=Busts in 08:stirpot:

We'll see. Someone out of that district will get China Spring in the 1st round.

[WOS87]

As far as I see from a quick look over the schedules, I only found 3 teams that have 5 opponents on their upcoming schedules that are ranked in the above rankings:

Toughest Schedules based on the DCTF Rankings

Abilene Wylie

3A #1 - Liberty Hill
4A #24 - Wolfforth Frenship
3A #4 - Waco La Vega
3A #3 - Brownwood
3A #18 - Snyder

Brownwood

3A #4 - Waco La Vega
4A #8 - Stephenville
3A #1 - Liberty Hill
3A #24 - Abilene Wylie
3A #18 - Snyder

Jasper

3A #23 - Gilmer
2A #13 - Kirbyville
3A #9 - West Orange-Stark
3A #22 - Diboll
3A # 16 - Carthage


There may be others I missed because it is late and I did go over the schedules rather quickly so apologies in advance if I overlooked someone.

[nobogey72]

I think the only reason Glen Rose is rated that high is that they got a new nuclear power plant out in that area, and they think the kids will all be jacked up on cosmic nuclear steroids or something.:D

[K-MAC Chuck]

Personally, I think Liberty Hill is over-rated...:D :doh:


((sorry, just wanted to say that ONCE)) :nerd: :devil:

[BwdLions]

Originally posted by WOS87
3A

1. Liberty Hill
2. Navasota
3. Brownwood
4. Waco La Vega
5. Celina
6. China Spring
7. Sealy
8. Cuero
9. West Orange-Stark
10. Corpus Christi West Oso
11. Liberty-Eylau
12. Crockett
13. Giddings
14. Pleasant Grove
15. Glen Rose
16. Carthage
17. Dallas Madison
18. Snyder
19. Devine
20. Monahans
21. Lubbock Estacado
22. Diboll
23. Gilmer
24. Abilene Wylie
25. Rio Hondo


Oh no, they have Brownwood ahead of Celina. I can't wait to see how many responses we get from those folks. I can't believe bleed orange hasn't been on here yet.

Looking over the rankings, why is Abilene Cooper ranked so high in Class 4-A? I wasn't expecting that.

[44INAROW]

some light reading from the Victoria Advocate...........http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/894/story/261441.html

Lofty expectations
Calhoun, Cuero among area teams in Texas Football’s preseason rankings

Cuero head coach Mark Reeve’s Gobblers are ranked No. 8 in the Class 3A preseason poll by Texas Football magazine. The magazine will hit newsstands on Monday.

By MIKE FORMAN - Advocate Sports Writer
June 10, 2008 - 10:21 p.m.
Calhoun athletic director and head football coach Richard Whitaker was still waiting for his copy of Dave Campbell’s Texas Football magazine on Tuesday afternoon, but he was aware of what’s inside.

Calhoun is ranked No. 7 in the magazine’s Class 4A preseason poll, the highest ranking for any Advocate-area team.

“It’s exciting for the community and the kids,” Whitaker said. “Hopefully, they’ll come back from the summer ready to go to work. Something like this is great for their psyche. Now, we just have to live up to the recognition.”

Cuero is ranked No. 8 in Class 3A and Rice Consolidated is ranked No. 10 in Class 2A, the only other area teams to make the top 10 in the magazine, which is scheduled to go on sale Monday.

Beeville is ranked No. 17 in Class 4A. Refugio is ranked No. 17 and East Bernard is ranked No. 18 in Class 2A and Shiner is ranked No. 14 in Class 1A.

The Sandcrabs return every starter on offense and six on defense from last year’s team that advanced to the Division II area playoffs before losing to Calallen.

“We’ve worked hard to get to the top and once you get there, everybody is trying to knock you off,” Whitaker said. “In many ways it’s easier to get there than to stay there. I would imagine it puts a pretty good bulls’ eye on us.”

Calhoun is the District 30-4A favorite and must not only contend with Beeville, but also Gregory-Portland, which is ranked No. 23 by Texas Football.

“I think this shows the quality of our district,” Whitaker said. “We’ve gone two years in this district without a team going undefeated. It’s a hard district to get through.”

Cuero lost some key performers from last year’s team, which advanced to the Division II semifinals. But the Gobblers are still favored to win the District 28-3A title.

“It’s just ratings,” Cuero coach Mark Reeve said. “Our kids are used to this. I don’t think it makes any difference one way or another.”

Goliad wide receiver Aaron Franklin is listed among the Texas Top 300 and Refugio offensive lineman Wayne Frazier and El Campo defensive lineman Troy Lawson are included among the best of the rest.

Cuero quarterback Tyler Arndt, Edna quarterback Kam Jones and Refugio defensive lineman Dylan Klare are included among the state’s top underclassmen.

Gonzales wide receiver Ckody Burton received honorable mention for Class 3A coverboy.

Memorial was picked to finish sixth in District 27-5A behind Converse Judson, Corpus Christi Carroll, Converse Wagner, San Antonio East Central and Corpus Christi King.

Along with Calhoun and Cuero, area teams picked to win their district championship include Rice Consolidated (26-2A), Refugio (30-2A) and Shiner (27-1A).

Mike Forman is a sports writer for the Victoria Advocate. Contact him at 361-580-6588, or by e-mail at mforman@vicad.com.

[garciap77]

Originally posted by waterboy
I like my poll better.:D I think it's a little closer to the way it'll end up.
See below

Well.........based on the last couple of years, and what some teams lost as far as players, and this will probably ruffle a few feathers, but I will rank the teams like this:

1. Celina
2. China Spring
3. Cuero
4. Liberty Hill
5. Carthage
6. Abilene Wylie
7. Jasper
8. Gilmer
9. Brownwood
10. West Orange-Stark

I will go on:

11. Sealy
12. Burnet
13. Waco LaVega
14. Liberty-Eylau
15. Snyder
16. Navasota
17. Tatum
18. Wimberley
19. Llano
20. Fredericksburg
21. Graham
22. Madisonville
23. Gatesville
24. Sweetwater
25. Palestine

This was just for fun! Rankings don't matter anyway! We'll definitely know more about where they should be about halfway through the season.

:2thumbsup

[BobcatBenny]

Originally posted by BwdLions
Oh no, they have Brownwood ahead of Celina. I can't wait to see how many responses we get from those folks. I can't believe bleed orange hasn't been on here yet.

Looking over the rankings, why is Abilene Cooper ranked so high in Class 4-A? I wasn't expecting that.
Well, at least one Celina person thinks Celina is ranked too high. I would put the Bobcats down 6 slots.

I think Celina deserves a lot of respect because there is not a better program in the state, but this year's incarnation needs to work its way into the top ten.

If I were coach Ford, my motto for this year would be, "Earning Respect!" Using it to re-enforce the attitude that this season's Bobcat team must "Earn" its own respect. And ... do not rely on last season's success.

[All out CAT]

Originally posted by K-MAC Chuck
Personally, I think Liberty Hill is over-rated...:D :doh:


((sorry, just wanted to say that ONCE)) :nerd: :devil:


I would rather LH be rated lower! Makes it a more enjoyable season to beat the rankings rather than try and keep up with them.

[STANG RED]

Originally posted by BwdLions
Oh no, they have Brownwood ahead of Celina. I can't wait to see how many responses we get from those folks. I can't believe bleed orange hasn't been on here yet.

Looking over the rankings, why is Abilene Cooper ranked so high in Class 4-A? I wasn't expecting that.

Cooper has actually competed above expectations in 5A the last couple years, and may have lots of returners. So I expected them to be ranked at least in the top 10 in 4A this season. #3 may be a bit higher than I expected, but I dont have a problem with it. It'll be tough for them to stay that high though. I know they play some stiff 5A comp early, and one of them is Abilene High.

[Cameron Crazy]

Glen Rose top 15?

[Hill Man]

Originally posted by waterboy
I like my poll better.:D I think it's a little closer to the way it'll end up.
See below

Well.........based on the last couple of years, and what some teams lost as far as players, and this will probably ruffle a few feathers, but I will rank the teams like this:

1. Celina
2. China Spring
3. Cuero
4. Liberty Hill
5. Carthage
6. Abilene Wylie
7. Jasper
8. Gilmer
9. Brownwood
10. West Orange-Stark

I will go on:

11. Sealy
12. Burnet
13. Waco LaVega
14. Liberty-Eylau
15. Snyder
16. Navasota
17. Tatum
18. Wimberley
19. Llano
20. Fredericksburg
21. Graham
22. Madisonville
23. Gatesville
24. Sweetwater
25. Palestine

This was just for fun! Rankings don't matter anyway! We'll definitely know more about where they should be about halfway through the season.

Five teams in your top 25 are in the same district...
LH-Burnet-Wimperley, Llano & Fredericksburg...

[Hill Man]

Originally posted by WOS87
LH has only had 6 good seasons... Snyder has had 10 consecutive winning seasons with 9 playoff appearances in 11 years. If you're going to include LH in the "reload" club, I'd say Snyder, and quite a few other teams belong to it as well.

Should be called the Coach Vance reload for LH... The 6 straight good seasons (2 state champs and a semifinal appearance) began with his 2nd season at the helm after bringing in the slot-t

[eppy 12]

Originally posted by 44INAROW
some light reading from the Victoria Advocate...........http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/894/story/261441.html

Lofty expectations
Calhoun, Cuero among area teams in Texas Football’s preseason rankings

Cuero head coach Mark Reeve’s Gobblers are ranked No. 8 in the Class 3A preseason poll by Texas Football magazine. The magazine will hit newsstands on Monday.

By MIKE FORMAN - Advocate Sports Writer
June 10, 2008 - 10:21 p.m.
Calhoun athletic director and head football coach Richard Whitaker was still waiting for his copy of Dave Campbell’s Texas Football magazine on Tuesday afternoon, but he was aware of what’s inside.

Calhoun is ranked No. 7 in the magazine’s Class 4A preseason poll, the highest ranking for any Advocate-area team.

“It’s exciting for the community and the kids,” Whitaker said. “Hopefully, they’ll come back from the summer ready to go to work. Something like this is great for their psyche. Now, we just have to live up to the recognition.”

Cuero is ranked No. 8 in Class 3A and Rice Consolidated is ranked No. 10 in Class 2A, the only other area teams to make the top 10 in the magazine, which is scheduled to go on sale Monday.

Beeville is ranked No. 17 in Class 4A. Refugio is ranked No. 17 and East Bernard is ranked No. 18 in Class 2A and Shiner is ranked No. 14 in Class 1A.

The Sandcrabs return every starter on offense and six on defense from last year’s team that advanced to the Division II area playoffs before losing to Calallen.

“We’ve worked hard to get to the top and once you get there, everybody is trying to knock you off,” Whitaker said. “In many ways it’s easier to get there than to stay there. I would imagine it puts a pretty good bulls’ eye on us.”

Calhoun is the District 30-4A favorite and must not only contend with Beeville, but also Gregory-Portland, which is ranked No. 23 by Texas Football.

“I think this shows the quality of our district,” Whitaker said. “We’ve gone two years in this district without a team going undefeated. It’s a hard district to get through.”

Cuero lost some key performers from last year’s team, which advanced to the Division II semifinals. But the Gobblers are still favored to win the District 28-3A title.

“It’s just ratings,” Cuero coach Mark Reeve said. “Our kids are used to this. I don’t think it makes any difference one way or another.”

Goliad wide receiver Aaron Franklin is listed among the Texas Top 300 and Refugio offensive lineman Wayne Frazier and El Campo defensive lineman Troy Lawson are included among the best of the rest.

Cuero quarterback Tyler Arndt, Edna quarterback Kam Jones and Refugio defensive lineman Dylan Klare are included among the state’s top underclassmen.

Gonzales wide receiver Ckody Burton received honorable mention for Class 3A coverboy.

Memorial was picked to finish sixth in District 27-5A behind Converse Judson, Corpus Christi Carroll, Converse Wagner, San Antonio East Central and Corpus Christi King.

Along with Calhoun and Cuero, area teams picked to win their district championship include Rice Consolidated (26-2A), Refugio (30-2A) and Shiner (27-1A).

Mike Forman is a sports writer for the Victoria Advocate. Contact him at 361-580-6588, or by e-mail at mforman@vicad.com. hey, i know that whitaker fella:(

[trojan37]

I have to revert back to an old thread on this one, but making the playoffs 9 out of 11 years, with 3 teams going to the playoffs really doesn't say much to me. Think about teams that consistently made the playoffs back when only the district champ went to the playoffs, and 9-1 teams sat at home.

[waterboy]

Originally posted by Hill Man
Five teams in your top 25 are in the same district...
LH-Burnet-Wimperley, Llano & Fredericksburg...
I know........I noticed that. Districts 2-3A and 8-3A are tough districts. There will be only 3 teams from each district make the playoffs, but the strength of schedule should be more of a reason to keep them in the rankings. I know some of those teams will slide out of everybody else's rankings as the season goes on, but I think that the 4th best team in those districts can beat alot of the teams that will remain in the rankings. That's why I ranked them in my top 25. Hey, it's just pre-season rankings. I'm sure there'll be some of those teams that'll probably not be there in the end.:D

[DaHop72]

Originally posted by Hill Man

Wimperley... :thinking: :thinking: Long way from a p to a b.:doh:

[Nursebetty]

Originally posted by waterboy
I like my poll better.:D I think it's a little closer to the way it'll end up.
See below

Well.........based on the last couple of years, and what some teams lost as far as players, and this will probably ruffle a few feathers, but I will rank the teams like this:

1. Celina
2. China Spring
3. Cuero
4. Liberty Hill
5. Carthage
6. Abilene Wylie
7. Jasper
8. Gilmer
9. Brownwood
10. West Orange-Stark

I will go on:

11. Sealy
12. Burnet
13. Waco LaVega
14. Liberty-Eylau
15. Snyder
16. Navasota
17. Tatum
18. Wimberley
19. Llano
20. Fredericksburg
21. Graham
22. Madisonville
23. Gatesville
24. Sweetwater
25. Palestine

This was just for fun! Rankings don't matter anyway! We'll definitely know more about where they should be about halfway through the season.

I like THIS poll!

[Nursebetty]

Originally posted by Go Blue
then why wasn't he RB last year?:p


lol....i don't think you've done enough to prove that you "reload" at snyder.


Celina reloads
Cuero reloads
LH reloads
Gilmer reloads
SLC reloads

Like this!!!! Good info! ;)

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by DaHop72
:thinking: :thinking: Long way from a p to a b.:doh:
:thinking: :thinking: :thinking: Hmmmmmm......nah. :p

[WOS87]

Originally posted by trojan37
I have to revert back to an old thread on this one, but making the playoffs 9 out of 11 years, with 3 teams going to the playoffs really doesn't say much to me. Think about teams that consistently made the playoffs back when only the district champ went to the playoffs, and 9-1 teams sat at home.

The point about Snyder making the playoffs 9 out of 11 years wasn't meant to say much by itself. It was meant to be compared to Liberty Hill's equivalent record to make the point that if LH is being included in the category of "reloader", then Snyder can make a good (if not better case) for it as well. Not once in the past 11 years has LH had a higher district ranking than Snyder when comparing their respective district finishes.

And the line about Snyder perennially being in a weak district won't fly. Most people forget that they were in the same district with '00 4A Semifinalist and '01 4A Quarterfinalist Frenship, '04 3A State Champ and '05 3A Quarterfinalist Abilene Wylie in addition to having Sweetwater as a district opponent 6 out of the past 11 years.

....Snyder District Finish...LH District Finish
2007...1st..........................1st
2006...1st..........................1st
2005...2nd.........................2nd
2004...2nd.........................2nd
2003...2nd.........................2nd
2002...1st.........................2nd
2001...4th.........................4th
2000...4th.........................5th
1999...1st.........................4th
1998...2nd.........................6th
1997...2nd.........................3rd


EVEN IF only 1 team per district qualified for the playoffs, Snyder would have qualified 4 out of the past 9 years. Liberty Hill on the other hand would have only qualified 3 times total in the school's 50+ year existence as they have only finished 1st in district in 1987, 2006 and 2007.

And I don't mean to be coming across as a Liberty Hill basher... I'm anything but, being a huge fan of the program. Think of it more as being a Snyder defender (as taboo as that may be to some of you out there :p )

[DaHop72]

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[PHS Wildcats]

Originally posted by waterboy
I like my poll better.:D I think it's a little closer to the way it'll end up.
See below

Well.........based on the last couple of years, and what some teams lost as far as players, and this will probably ruffle a few feathers, but I will rank the teams like this:

1. Celina
2. China Spring
3. Cuero
4. Liberty Hill
5. Carthage
6. Abilene Wylie
7. Jasper
8. Gilmer
9. Brownwood
10. West Orange-Stark

I will go on:

11. Sealy
12. Burnet
13. Waco LaVega
14. Liberty-Eylau
15. Snyder
16. Navasota
17. Tatum
18. Wimberley
19. Llano
20. Fredericksburg
21. Graham
22. Madisonville
23. Gatesville
24. Sweetwater
25. Palestine

This was just for fun! Rankings don't matter anyway! We'll definitely know more about where they should be about halfway through the season.

Thanks for puting us in your top 25:clap:

[Hill Man]

Originally posted by DaHop72
:thinking: :thinking: Long way from a p to a b.:doh:

we spell it the way we say it..... with a lot of love:inlove:

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by BwdLions
Oh no, they have Brownwood ahead of Celina. I can't wait to see how many responses we get from those folks. I can't believe bleed orange hasn't been on here yet.

Looking over the rankings, why is Abilene Cooper ranked so high in Class 4-A? I wasn't expecting that.

OK I'm here. Why can't you believe I haven't been on here yet? Am I supposed to respond to Brownwood ranked over Celina. If so, no big deal good luck to Brownwood hopefully, we will have the opportunity to play them this year. Celina is probably getting ranked more on reputation. The fact that they are returning 4 and 4 probably does not justify the high ranking.

[Dogman_1969]

This season is getting here in a hurry. When I look at the top 20 I see several teams that are in there based on previous years teams and athletes that have already graduated. Several teams return the young men that have carried their teams deep into the playoffs and are ranked justly but there are several teams on the list that will have a tough hill to climb.


Their are other teams that have groups of athletes or standout players that no one has seen unless you attend some camps for underclassman. A 2A school near Waco has a RB that will probably start as a freshman and he is something to see. He stands about 6'2" at 210 or so and is rumored to run 4.5. This type of teams don't get much for these athletes because noone knows of them........

[BwdLions]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
OK I'm here. Why can't you believe I haven't been on here yet? Am I supposed to respond to Brownwood ranked over Celina. If so, no big deal good luck to Brownwood hopefully, we will have the opportunity to play them this year. Celina is probably getting ranked more on reputation. The fact that they are returning 4 and 4 probably does not justify the high ranking.

Well, it's about time. I will admit bleed orange that Celina deserves to be in the top five every year because year-after-year you guys have great teams. I'm sure if both Brownwood and Celina stay in the same classification long enough, they'll play one another a time or two. I look forward to it.

Both schools have proud traditions. I will say Celina has had much more success in the recent past than the Lions. Hopefully, the Lions will start having more success now that they're in class 3-A.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by BwdLions
Well, it's about time. I will admit bleed orange that Celina deserves to be in the top five every year because year-after-year you guys have great teams. I'm sure if both Brownwood and Celina stay in the same classification long enough, they'll play one another a time or two. I look forward to it.

Both schools have proud traditions. I will say Celina has had much more success in the recent past than the Lions. Hopefully, the Lions will start having more success now that they're in class 3-A.

Yeah that would be cool. I like Bwood. Always have. Had friends from Blanket and Early and Brownwood. Grew up in Bronte and had family in Winters and Ballinger as well. Kinda like old stompin grounds. It is always nice to get to play west texas teams like Snyder last year. Normally would not have gone that far for a game but I liked Abilene and Shotwell having gone to ACU and wanted to see a true west texas team again. Looking forward to a new season. Hope we live up to the Hype this year. We will be good but how good remains to be seen.

[BleedOrange]

Originally posted by BwdLions
Well, it's about time. I will admit bleed orange that Celina deserves to be in the top five every year because year-after-year you guys have great teams. I'm sure if both Brownwood and Celina stay in the same classification long enough, they'll play one another a time or two. I look forward to it.

Both schools have proud traditions. I will say Celina has had much more success in the recent past than the Lions. Hopefully, the Lions will start having more success now that they're in class 3-A.

I am certain Brownwood will be very succesful this year and likely make a deep run. It would be phenomenal to have to teams play against each other. Both teams will just take it a game at a time and you never know, a meeting could be in the cards this year. That would be something special regardless the outcome.

[Johnny Utah]

Watch out for the TIGERS!! The Sealy and Rockdale Variety!!

[RattlerDude]

Dude's, that is so awesome that Navasota is ranked number two. I was expecting a high ranking because most of the starters are coming back, but I certainly wasn't expecting number two.

How about Liberty Hill? Is that ranking because of the state championship or because they are gonna be that good again?

[BwdLions]

Originally posted by BleedOrange
I am certain Brownwood will be very succesful this year and likely make a deep run. It would be phenomenal to have to teams play against each other. Both teams will just take it a game at a time and you never know, a meeting could be in the cards this year. That would be something special regardless the outcome.

Good post BleedOrange :clap:

[BobcatBenny]

Originally posted by RattlerDude
Dude's, that is so awesome that Navasota is ranked number two. I was expecting a high ranking because most of the starters are coming back, but I certainly wasn't expecting number two.

How about Liberty Hill? Is that ranking because of the state championship or because they are gonna be that good again?
I personally think they will be that good again.

[bandera7]

I am surprised WOS is that low honestly...from what I understand they have alot coming back

[WOS87]

WOS is just happy that they are almost guaranteed of NOT having to face a Top 3 ranked opponent in the first two rounds of the playoffs as they have the past 2 years. (As long as both WOS and Navasota win district, they'll be on opposite sides of the bracket)

Those showdowns with Giddings over the last 3 years were great games but it's tough having such a big game so early....

[Buckeye80]

It seems to me that the lower we start, the better we seem to do. I'll take 23 with a smile on my face. :)

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by Buckeye80
It seems to me that the lower we start, the better we seem to do. I'll take 23 with a smile on my face. :) Where the hell have u been?:D

[slingshot]

Originally posted by WOS87
As far as I see from a quick look over the schedules, I only found 3 teams that have 5 opponents on their upcoming schedules that are ranked in the above rankings:

Toughest Schedules based on the DCTF Rankings

Abilene Wylie

3A #1 - Liberty Hill
4A #24 - Wolfforth Frenship
3A #4 - Waco La Vega
3A #3 - Brownwood
3A #18 - Snyder

Brownwood

3A #4 - Waco La Vega
4A #8 - Stephenville
3A #1 - Liberty Hill
3A #24 - Abilene Wylie
3A #18 - Snyder

Jasper

3A #23 - Gilmer
2A #13 - Kirbyville
3A #9 - West Orange-Stark
3A #22 - Diboll
3A # 16 - Carthage


There may be others I missed because it is late and I did go over the schedules rather quickly so apologies in advance if I overlooked someone. Bwd and Wylie schedules=murderer's row... either one comes out unscathed they def deserve #1 ranking in anybody's book!

[Buckeye80]

Originally posted by lostaussie
Where the hell have u been?:D

2nd kid man! I don't have time to take a healthy crap with two under the age of 2!:D