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Maroon87
06-04-2008, 11:24 AM
By Adrian Wojnarowski
Yahoo! Sports

For months now, maybe the man most responsible for Los Angeles’ championship run has been ripped over the Pau Gasol trade. The mere mention of suspicions over Memphis’ motives gets the Grizzlies owner’s voice rising on the telephone, gets him going on the gossip that suggests something unseemly happened on the way to a Lakers renaissance.

Michael Heisley starts to ask, well, who is ripping Minnesota for the Kevin Garnett trade?

How about Seattle and Ray Allen?


“Is anybody jumping on Popovich in San Antonio because he traded that center to Houston for virtually nothing?” Heisley wondered.


Heisley was talking about Luis Scola, the forward, whom had been a long-ago draft pick of the Spurs. Only problem was, Scola never played a minute for the four-time champions. Gasol was the Grizzlies’ franchise player, and it was Spurs coach Gregg Popovich saying on the record what most of his peers had only the guts to say without attribution: What in the world was Memphis management thinking on the Gasol trade?


When much of the league was determined to make a serious bid for the 7-footer, how could Memphis settle so long before the February trade deadline for such a paltry offer out of the Lakers?


For the first time, even Heisley wondered whether his general manager, Chris Wallace, blew it by caving so soon to the Lakers.


“I don’t know if I got the most value,” Heisley confessed. “Maybe our people should’ve shopped (Gasol) more and maybe we would’ve gotten more, done a better deal. Maybe Chris did call every team in the league. I don’t think he did, but maybe he should’ve…”

Around the league, nothing will change this belief: Whatever the reasoning, this was one of the NBA’s worst trades in years. Most of all, rival executives wonder why they never had a chance to submit a best offer. For Gasol, the 7-footer who transformed the Lakers in the absence of Andrew Bynum, the Grizzlies were willing to take back the expiring contract of Kwame Brown, rookie point guard Javaris Crittenton, two future No. 1 picks and the draft rights to Gasol’s brother, Marc.

Crittenton is nothing special, and those draft picks in 2008 and 2010 will be near, if not at the end of, the first round. Gasol had demanded a trade out of Memphis, had been moping around, giving less than his best. Yes, he had to go, but you don’t trade your franchise player without getting back a minimum of a sure-thing young star and/or two solid young starters. For Memphis, salary-cap space will probably turn out to be money that’ll never make it back into the roster.


The one-sided nature of the trade inspired a lot of people to believe that retired Memphis GM, Jerry West, a Lakers’ legend, played a part in facilitating the deal. West was instrumental recruiting Wallace as his replacement in Memphis and still holds a close relationship with Heisley. His history in Los Angeles, especially his bond with Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak and star Kobe Bryant, made even the fair-minded cynical about the scenario.

Several sources close to the process insist West played no part, and Heisley swears, “Jerry didn’t know about the trade until after it was done.”

Still, it hasn’t stopped a rampant anger around the league that this wasn’t so much of a trade, as much as it was the word that Bryant himself used: a “donation.” Privately, the Lakers were thrilled that they were able to keep negotiations with the Grizzlies quiet because Los Angeles officials were blown away that they could get Gasol for so little.


One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis’ Hakim Warrick, the Bulls were willing to part with Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Thabo Sefolosha, possibly Adrian Griffin and draft picks.


Heisley didn’t offer up those names, but insisted, “Chicago wouldn’t offer us any of their good, core players,” he said. “Our people told me that we weren’t able to get equal trade value for Gasol and that we needed to do a deal that would give us cap space and draft picks. It was no secret in the league that we were considering offers for him, but the Lakers were the one team that stepped up.”

Heisley has been losing money in Memphis, a small market where the franchise has come to flounder. He tried to sell the team, but no one has reached his asking price. Around the league there are those who believe that Wallace was forced to turn the Gasol trade into a salary dump, and there are league officials, including a close friend, who believe, “There is no way that Chris ever would’ve made that trade on his own.”


“I have no buyer’s remorse,” Heisley said. “Listen, I can’t tell you how many people would tell me, wherever I went in Memphis, ‘Get rid of Gasol. …Trade Gasol.’ And then some of the same people are booing us because we traded him. But I don’t mind that. I’m a big boy. I can take it.”

He could live with watching Gasol playing an immense part in bringing the Lakers to the Finals, but he just wonders: When do we get our just reward for gutting this roster, for relentless futility? He keeps watching teams with better records get the luck of the bouncing balls in the draft lottery and the Grizzlies never get that transcendent player to save the franchise’s fortunes. Memphis missed on LeBron James and just one year ago, with the worst record in the sport, they still didn’t get a top two pick to take Greg Oden or Kevin Durant.


“We’ve been in the lottery more than anyone in the NBA, and we’ve definitely had the worst record twice as much as anyone else,” Heisley said. “This is sure a fantastic system we have – isn’t it? – where we’ve never gotten the No. 1 pick. Our ticket sales just stopped last year when we didn’t get one of the top picks. What’s the sense in of all this?”

The Grizzlies have been waiting for something, for someone to save them – maybe the bouncing the ball, maybe dumb luck – but they’ve done little to help themselves. The owner of the Memphis Grizzlies says, yes, come to him with criticism for the Gasol trade because he had the power to stop it. Now, he’s watched the Lakers rush to the NBA Finals, the immense impact Gasol has had with Bryant, and he’s asking the same question the rest of the league hasn’t stopped grumbling for months.


Did the Grizzlies get the best value possible for Pau Gasol?


“I don’t know if I got the most value,” he said.


Even so, you get the idea that, yes, the man most responsible for the Lakers’ championship run does know now.


Between February and now, that truth hasn’t changed. The answer’s still the same.

No way.


Not even close.

Sweetwater Red
06-04-2008, 11:32 AM
I've got your conspiracy. This guy is the president/GM(?) of the
Timberwolves who sent Garnett to the Celtics for the price of
a cup of coffee.:thinking:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/detroit8990/AAFO037Kevin-McHale-Posters.jpg

waterboy
06-04-2008, 11:38 AM
Yeah. This guy knows nothing about basketball. Thanks to him the Lakers and Celtics are back in the finals. :thmbdwn:

Phil C
06-04-2008, 01:36 PM
Very foolish deals. As mad as some are I think the maddest should be the Memphis fans.



Hint to all ownders:

Don't trade with Lakers or Celtics. History shows this.

BreckTxLonghorn
06-04-2008, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
I've got your conspiracy. This guy is the president/GM(?) of the
Timberwolves who sent Garnett to the Celtics for the price of
a cup of coffee.:thinking:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/detroit8990/AAFO037Kevin-McHale-Posters.jpg


Long term, do you really think it was that bad of a deal? I agree that the Celtics got the better end, but Minnesota got a LOT in return, including the guy the Celtics originally planned on building around for the future, Al Jefferson.

They got:
--TWO first round picks (either for use or trade bait as they rebuild).
--Al Jefferson (avg'd 20/10)
--Ryan Gomes (along with AJ, only guy on team to play all 82 games, avg'd 12.5/6 in less than 30min/g)
--Sebastian Telfair (only 22, high ceiling and still time to come around, I've always thought this guy can play and still hope for him)
--As well as Theo Ratliff's expiring contract (copyright Bill Simmons) to use as trade bait.


Obviously they did nothing this year, but they've set themselves up to be a good team setting up for a bright future. And I'm not even a Wolves fan.

Phil C
06-04-2008, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by BreckTxLonghorn
Long term, do you really think it was that bad of a deal? I agree that the Celtics got the better end, but Minnesota got a LOT in return, including the guy the Celtics originally planned on building around for the future, Al Jefferson.

They got:
--TWO first round picks (either for use or trade bait as they rebuild).
--Al Jefferson (avg'd 20/10)
--Ryan Gomes (along with AJ, only guy on team to play all 82 games, avg'd 12.5/6 in less than 30min/g)
--Sebastian Telfair (only 22, high ceiling and still time to come around, I've always thought this guy can play and still hope for him)
--As well as Theo Ratliff's expiring contract (copyright Bill Simmons) to use as trade bait.

How did Memhis do? Other than terrible.

Obviously they did nothing this year, but they've set themselves up to be a good team setting up for a bright future. And I'm not even a Wolves fan.

Sweetwater Red
06-04-2008, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by BreckTxLonghorn
Long term, do you really think it was that bad of a deal? I agree that the Celtics got the better end, but Minnesota got a LOT in return, including the guy the Celtics originally planned on building around for the future, Al Jefferson.

They got:
--TWO first round picks (either for use or trade bait as they rebuild).
--Al Jefferson (avg'd 20/10)
--Ryan Gomes (along with AJ, only guy on team to play all 82 games, avg'd 12.5/6 in less than 30min/g)
--Sebastian Telfair (only 22, high ceiling and still time to come around, I've always thought this guy can play and still hope for him)
--As well as Theo Ratliff's expiring contract (copyright Bill Simmons) to use as trade bait.


Obviously they did nothing this year, but they've set themselves up to be a good team setting up for a bright future. And I'm not even a Wolves fan.

The two first round draft picks are going to be 30 to 32 overall
for the next two years.

Al Jefferson is good.

Gomes is an average bench player.

Sebastian Telfair was ruined as soon as he was drafted by the
then Portland Jailbreakers.

Can't argue acquiring expiring contracts.

Txbroadcaster
06-04-2008, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
The two first round draft picks are going to be 30 to 32 overall
for the next two years.

Al Jefferson is good.

Gomes is an average bench player.

Sebastian Telfair was ruined as soon as he was drafted by the
then Portland Jailbreakers.

Can't argue acquiring expiring contracts.

Cant predict where the draft picks are when trade is done

JasperDog94
06-04-2008, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Cant predict where the draft picks are when trade is done Yeah, but you can base it off of what you think the trade does to the other team. In this case it loaded the Lakers.

Txbroadcaster
06-04-2008, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by JasperDog94
Yeah, but you can base it off of what you think the trade does to the other team. In this case it loaded the Lakers.

I was talking about wolves/Celtic trade

Sweetwater Red
06-04-2008, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I was talking about wolves/Celtic trade

I don't remember who they got first Garnett or Allen . But they
had to know just by the Celtics acquiring Kevin that those
wouldn't be lottery picks.

BreckTxLonghorn
06-04-2008, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
I don't remember who they got first Garnett or Allen . But they
had to know just by the Celtics acquiring Kevin that those
wouldn't be lottery picks.

Still, they're first round for the top half of the players coming in the draft. At the very least, they can ship them to a team who may not have any *coughcough* MAVS*coughcough*

JasperDog94
06-04-2008, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
I was talking about wolves/Celtic trade Oh. Very true.:)

Emerson1
06-04-2008, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by BreckTxLonghorn
Still, they're first round for the top half of the players coming in the draft. At the very least, they can ship them to a team who may not have any *coughcough* MAVS*coughcough*
If Dallas moves Josh Howard they will have a grand total of 0 draft picks that they selected on the roster from this century. Up until this year they only had Howard and Harris(who was the #5 in 04 I think).

Y'all are severely overrating the value of draft picks in the NBA. It's nothing like the NFL. Most of the first rounders won't even make the team full time.

eagles_victory
06-04-2008, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
I don't remember who they got first Garnett or Allen . But they
had to know just by the Celtics acquiring Kevin that those
wouldn't be lottery picks. Dont be bitter because they beat your team (they beat mine too). Minnesota got a great deal Jefferson is going to be a star for the next ten years. Bassy still has a lot of talent he just has to develop his jump shot he made a mistake by not going to Louisville but in the right situation I think he can still have a lot of success.

For the Allen trade basically Jeff Green for the old and always overrated Ray Allen I would take the young Green anyday.

As far as LA getting Gasol Im not trying to play conspiracy theory but something seems fishy about that.

big daddy russ
06-04-2008, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
The two first round draft picks are going to be 30 to 32 overall
for the next two years.

Al Jefferson is good.

Gomes is an average bench player.

Sebastian Telfair was ruined as soon as he was drafted by the
then Portland Jailbreakers.

Can't argue acquiring expiring contracts.
-This year's 30 is looking like a great value. In a draft this deep, a guy like Joey Dorsey, Bill Walker (who reminds me a lot of Gerald Wallace during his days at 'Bama), Ty Lawson, Brandon Rush, or Mario Chalmers could be available at 30.

-Jefferson looks like the next Elton Brand.

-Gomes has 18 ppg/10 rpg potential. He'll be a great third option on most teams.

-Won't argue Telfair. Still has a ton of potential, but was basically a throw-in to make contracts work.


The Wolves have a good foundation and will be good if they can land an elite player. The role players are there right now, they have a guy who is already a great number two guy, and another who is already a great fourth option. They have the third pick in the draft, a great shot at that elite player, and cap room. The franchise looks like it's headed in the right direction.

Necks_Fan
06-07-2008, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
I've got your conspiracy. This guy is the president/GM(?) of the
Timberwolves who sent Garnett to the Celtics for the price of
a cup of coffee.:thinking:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/detroit8990/AAFO037Kevin-McHale-Posters.jpg Atleast the Timberwolves got Al Jefferson. He is a really good player. I think they could have made it to the finals without doing the
Garnett trade. Jefferson is a legit post.