I'm done with Ford!

[espn1]

US giant Ford is to invest $3bn (£1.5bn) in a new car plant in Mexico, the biggest investment in the country's manufacturing sector.

The move is a blow to American car workers who had hoped the factory would be built in the United States.


READ MORE! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7428952.stm)

[Blitzkrieg]

Ford sucks...always has its bout time you noticed

[espn1]

Originally posted by Blitzkrieg
Ford sucks...always has its bout time you noticed I don't know what you mean, but I've had to drag a many of Chevy out of the mud.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by espn1
I don't know what you mean, but I've had to drag a many of Chevy out of the mud.

You aren't supposed to drive a truck in the mud, you're supposed to try to go around it, so it's he drivers fault more than anything. ;)

[espn1]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
You aren't supposed to drive a truck in the mud, you're supposed to try to go around it, so it's he drivers fault more than anything. ;) I'm talking about being out on a ranch and doing Agricultural work. Dragging equipment and getting it stuck. But like you said it helps to use good judgment.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by espn1
I'm talking about being out on a ranch and doing Agricultural work. Dragging equipment and getting it stuck. But like you said it helps to use good judgment.

I'm sure you don't need a dictionary definition for tractor. :)

I grew up on a farm and still work on one on a weekend basis and using good judgment keeps stuff like that from happening.

[Adidas410s]

hmmm....they're bleeding money so you're mad that they seek out ways to lower costs and save their company??? DUMB!

[espn1]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
I'm sure you don't need a dictionary definition for tractor. :)

I grew up on a farm and still work on one on a weekend basis and using good judgment keeps stuff like that from happening. Try hauling cattle to an auction with a tractor.

[espn1]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
hmmm....they're bleeding money so you're mad that they seek out ways to lower costs and save their company??? DUMB! Don't worry you'll get to reap the benefits of the global economy. In about 10 years you'll get to see just how brilliant you are. I hope you'll enjoy you reduction to third world status. :confused: :confused: :confused:

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by espn1
US giant Ford is to invest $3bn (£1.5bn) in a new car plant in Mexico, the biggest investment in the country's manufacturing sector.

The move is a blow to American car workers who had hoped the factory would be built in the United States.


READ MORE! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7428952.stm)

I really blame the UAW for this one folks. These guys are the highest paid blue collar workers in america. They would rather keep their pay than help this country and their company. That is one union we should put a bullet thru and start over.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by espn1
Try hauling cattle to an auction with a tractor.

That's why you keep the tractor hooked up to the trailer until you load them and pull it to somewhere that you truck won't get stuck. It may seem inconvenient, but it's easier than risking having to pull a truck and trailer out of the mud, hence why we have yet to do something like that.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
They would rather keep their pay than help this country and their company.

That seems like a rather Socialist viewpoint, I mean, they're going to have to give up the money they earned to help out other people. That is an outrageous and preposterous thought!

If Toyota can build companies in America and produce cars, so can any other car company. Don't try to use this as yet another excuse to try to take away worker's rights, because any semi-intelligent American can see that it's nothing but straight BS.

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
hmmm....they're bleeding money so you're mad that they seek out ways to lower costs and save their company??? DUMB!

They damn sure aren't wasting it on their football team.:rolleyes:

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
That seems like a rather Socialist viewpoint, I mean, they're going to have to give up the money they earned to help out other people. That is an outrageous and preposterous thought!

If Toyota can build companies in America and produce cars, so can any other car company. Don't try to use this as yet another excuse to try to take away worker's rights, because any semi-intelligent American can see that it's nothing but straight BS.
Toyota doesn't have to deal with unions like Ford or GM. They have a plant or two that the UAW has tried to take over...but Toyota does a good job keeping them out. At one point, they threatened to close down their Kentucky plant last year for good if the UAW took over.

Unions are antiquated and eventually destroy major American companies. They make outrageous salary demands and offer little concessions to the company in exchange. The company finds itself so bent over the barrel in the short run that they fail to achieve long run success. Just watch...American Airlines is next on the chopping block..

[Necks_Fan]

I know absolutely nothing about this crap. Yea! Go me!


Hooray!

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by espn1
Don't worry you'll get to reap the benefits of the global economy. In about 10 years you'll get to see just how brilliant you are. I hope you'll enjoy you reduction to third world status. :confused: :confused: :confused:
Yes please...sign me up for a global economy. I would rather see America shift it's resources (people, money, experience) into industries where we have a comparative (or absolute) advantage than continue to lose money in antiquated 1st and 2nd world industries where we no longer have an advantage because of significantly higher labor and raw materials costs. If the best car can be made by a Japanese or Korean company for 80% of what I'd pay for the same American car of equal or lesser value...then I'm sure as hell going to buy the better product...ESPECIALLY at a lower price point. Those who have this "Buy American no matter what" mindset are ignorant and uninformed. There is NO argument that can be made for buying all things American. I'd love to see somebody try though...it provides for a good laugh...

[Necks_Fan]

Once again. I know nothing about "Global economy and the effects of buying all American products."

Who cares if this company moves to Mexico? I don't.



Yea! Go me!

[Necks_Fan]

Just from anoutsider's POV, it looks as though Adidas is the only one that knows what he's talking about here, cept maybe BBDE.



JMO.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
Toyota doesn't have to deal with unions like Ford or GM. They have a plant or two that the UAW has tried to take over...but Toyota does a good job keeping them out. At one point, they threatened to close down their Kentucky plant last year for good if the UAW took over.

Unions are antiquated and eventually destroy major American companies. They make outrageous salary demands and offer little concessions to the company in exchange. The company finds itself so bent over the barrel in the short run that they fail to achieve long run success. Just watch...American Airlines is next on the chopping block..

You apparently know what Republicans want you to know about Unions. You're a smart man, and I respect that, but they do much more than that, and help to protect the benefits that were promised to their employees and retirees. Without Unions there would be many elderly Americans who worked their entire life who would be left with nothing to show for it because the Unions weren't there to keep the boards of companies in check. This is just one example...One day you will be in a situation where you will want someone to stand up for your rights and hope you have a Union.

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
You apparently know what Republicans want you to know about Unions. You're a smart man, and I respect that, but they do much more than that, and help to protect the benefits that were promised to their employees and retirees. Without Unions there would be many elderly Americans who worked their entire life who would be left with nothing to show for it because the Unions weren't there to keep the boards of companies in check. This is just one example...One day you will be in a situation where you will want someone to stand up for your rights and hope you have a Union.

that is crazy talk. who would want the employee representation when companies restructure pay, benefits, etc?

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by rockdale80
that is crazy talk. who would want the employee representation when companies restructure pay, benefits, etc?

And how dare we give employees someone to go to when the experience unfair hours, treatment, or are instructed to carry out unsafe work practices or see OSHA regulations? Preposterous!

[Rabbit'93]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
And how dare we give employees someone to go to when the experience unfair hours, treatment, or are instructed to carry out unsafe work practices or see OSHA regulations? Preposterous! BBDE you're a smart kid....going to A&M proves it. ;) But I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. Unions may have worked back in the day when employers could get away with things. With Federal and State Labor laws a union is nothing but money out of workers pockets. I've seen unions turn their backs on it's members for its (union) own gain.

I manage 57 employees for a major corporation. It's extremely hard to let a worker go because the threat of wrongful termination. A union exists only to fill the pockets of its heads and nothing more. It antiquated and only serves itself not the members that put their trust and hard earned money into it.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by Rabbit'93
BBDE you're a smart kid....going to A&M proves it. ;) But I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. Unions may have worked back in the day when employers could get away with things. With Federal and State Labor laws a union is nothing but money out of workers pockets. I've seen unions turn their backs on it's members for its (union) own gain.

I manage 57 employees for a major corporation. It's extremely hard to let a worker go because the threat of wrongful termination. A union exists only to fill the pockets of its heads and nothing more. It antiquated and only serves itself not the members that put their trust and hard earned money into it.

Some Unions fail, others are successful and beneficial, that's just the way things go in life and I'm sure you know and understand that. It's unfortunate that some Unions do exactly what you say, but it's just as bad when boards of companies repeal benefits and pay to it's employees and give themselves a raise.

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by Rabbit'93
BBDE you're a smart kid....going to A&M proves it. ;) But I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. Unions may have worked back in the day when employers could get away with things. With Federal and State Labor laws a union is nothing but money out of workers pockets. I've seen unions turn their backs on it's members for its (union) own gain.

I manage 57 employees for a major corporation. It's extremely hard to let a worker go because the threat of wrongful termination. A union exists only to fill the pockets of its heads and nothing more. It antiquated and only serves itself not the members that put their trust and hard earned money into it.


I disagree with you. Texas is a "right to work state" so the laws protecting the employee are pretty nil. Several other states are following suit and without unions employee rights are diminishing. I like the idea of having employee voices heard when companies are restructuring contracts for current and former employees. Of course this is just my opinion. ;)

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
... it's just as bad when boards of companies repeal benefits and pay to it's employees and give themselves a raise. You mean like congress?;) (both sides)

[Rabbit'93]

Originally posted by rockdale80
I disagree with you. Texas is a "right to work state" so the laws protecting the employee are pretty nil. Several other states are following suit and without unions employee rights are diminishing. I like the idea of having employee voices heard when companies are restructuring contracts for current and former employees. Of course this is just my opinion. ;) without a union there wouldn't be contracts in many jobs

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by Rabbit'93
without a union there wouldn't be contracts in many jobs

With the diminishing laws that protect employee's and their benefits I have no problem with union's being the voice of the workers. How would you like to have x amount of retirement and healthcare promised to you provided you fulfull a 20-30 year term, then after you fulfulled your side of the agreement your benefits and retirement package is pecked away to nothing? I am glad that someone is on the side of the worker. Like I said though, this is just my opinion. You arent going to change my mind and I doubt I am going to change yours. :)