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rockdale80
05-20-2008, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by BuffyMars
this is just scary, and saddening.

SANTA BARBARA, California (CNN) -- Barbara Harvey climbs into the back of her small Honda sport utility vehicle and snuggles with her two golden retrievers, her head nestled on a pillow propped against the driver's seat.


New Beginnings Counseling Center got the city of Santa Barbara to allow parking lots as a haven for the homeless.
3 of 3 A former loan processor, the 67-year-old mother of three grown children said she never thought she'd spend her golden years sleeping in her car in a parking lot.

"This is my bed, my dogs," she said. "This is my life in this car right now."

Harvey was forced into homelessness earlier this year after being laid off. She said that three-quarters of her income went to paying rent in Santa Barbara, where the median house in the scenic, oceanfront city costs more than $1 million. She lost her condo two months ago and had little savings as backup.

"It went to hell in a handbasket," she said. "I didn't think this would happen to me. It's just something that I don't think that people think is going to happen to them is what it amounts to. It happens very quickly, too."

Harvey now works part time for $8 an hour, and she draws Social Security to help make ends meet. But she still cannot afford an apartment, and so every night she pulls into a gated parking lot to sleep in her car, along with other women who find themselves in a similar predicament. Watch women who live in their cars »

There are 12 parking lots across Santa Barbara that have been set up to accommodate the growing middle-class homelessness. These lots are believed to be part of the first program of its kind in the United States, according to organizers.

The lots open at 7 p.m. and close at 7 a.m. and are run by New Beginnings Counseling Center, a homeless outreach organization.

It is illegal for people in California to sleep in their cars on streets. New Beginnings worked with the city to allow the parking lots as a safe place for the homeless to sleep in their vehicles without being harassed by people on the streets or ticketed by police.

Harvey stays at the city's only parking lot for women. "This is very safe, and that's why I feel very comfortable," she said.

Nancy Kapp, the New Beginnings parking lot coordinator, said the group began seeing a need for the lots in recent months as California's foreclosure crisis hit the city hard. She said a growing number of senior citizens, women and lower- and middle-class families live on the streets. See how foreclosure filings are up 75 percent »

"You look around today and there are so many," said Kapp, who was homeless with her young daughter two decades ago. "I see women sleeping on benches. It's heartbreaking."

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She added, "The way the economy is going, it's just amazing the people that are becoming homeless. It's hit the middle class."

She and others with New Beginnings walk the streets looking for people and families sleeping in their cars. The workers inform them about the parking lot program.

New Beginnings screens people to make sure they won't cause trouble. No alcohol or drugs are allowed in the parking lots.

"What we are trying to do is we pull bad apples out, and we put good apples in the parking lots and really help people out," said Shaw Tolley, another coordinator with New Beginnings.

Most of the time, the lots are transition points. New Beginnings works with each person to try to find a more permanent housing solution.

"It saddens me when they live in their vehicles," Tolley said. "It is not the most ideal situation for senior citizens and families, but it is reality."

He added, "We need to engage this problem. This is reality."

John Quigley, an economics professor at the University of California-Berkeley, said the California housing crisis has left many middle-class families temporarily homeless or forced them to go to food banks to feed their families.

"Part of the reason why it's so painful in Santa Barbara is there's so little in the way of alternative housing," Quigley said. "If there were alternative low and moderate housing and rental accommodations that were reasonably close by, you can imagine it wouldn't have this desperate look to it as people living in their cars."

At the only lot for women in Santa Barbara, it's a tough existence. There are no showers or running water. On the night CNN visited, a half-dozen women already were in the parking lot before nightfall.

Linn Labou, 54, lives in her car with four cats. She used to be in the National Guard and is on a waiting list for government housing, but the wait is a year long.

"I went looking for family, but I couldn't get them to help me," she said.

As for Harvey, she begins each day by walking her two dogs before going to her part-time job. She leaves the dogs in her car with its windows cracked while she works.

It's another chapter in her life that she's certain she'll get through, even though she said she knows it pains her children. Her 19-year-old daughter moved in with friends to avoid being homeless. Her other children live overseas.

"My daughter especially is very unhappy. Sometimes she'll cry and she'll call and say, 'Mom, I just can't stand it that you are living in a car,' " Harvey said. "I'll say, 'You know what? This is OK for right now because I'm safe, I'm healthy, the dogs are doing OK and I have a job and things will get better.' "

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/05/19/homeless.mom/art.car.cnn.jpg

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/05/19/homeless.mom/art.sleeping.cnn.jpg

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/05/19/homeless.mom/art.dogs.cnn.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/05/19/homeless.mom/index.html

Thank goodness the dogs arent pit bulls, or that lady would have been eaten in her sleep.:)

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by rockdale80
Thank goodness the dogs arent pit bulls, or that lady would have been eaten in her sleep.:)

Yeah, or raped by them or both. :)

rockdale80
05-20-2008, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Yeah, or raped by them or both. :)

That is why I have 2 dogs. :)

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by rockdale80
That is why I have 2 dogs. :)

You can't rape the willing though, remember that. ;)

rockdale80
05-20-2008, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
You can't rape the willing though, remember that. ;)

I just lay there and take it like a plastic...well....

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by rockdale80
I just lay there and take it like a plastic...well....

Yeah, but if you don't reciprocate that's just selfish. Please tell me you return the favor.

pirate4state
05-20-2008, 02:00 PM
:tmi: :dispntd: :mad:

rockdale80
05-20-2008, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Yeah, but if you don't reciprocate that's just selfish. Please tell me you return the favor.


absolutely.

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by rockdale80
absolutely.

Chains, whips, and handcuffs?

rockdale80
05-20-2008, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Chains, whips, and handcuffs?

reach aro....

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by rockdale80
reach aro....

und?

rockdale80
05-20-2008, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
und?

No, dont reach under.

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by rockdale80
No, dont reach under.

Behind?

rockdale80
05-20-2008, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Behind?

Nope and not over the top either.

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by rockdale80
Nope and not over the top either.

Below?

rockdale80
05-20-2008, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Below?

exactly. The Love Below

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by rockdale80
exactly. The Love Below

What about between? Can you do a reach between? Is that applicable? It sounds kind of dangerous though. Your thoughts?

BreckTxLonghorn
05-20-2008, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
What about between? Can you do a reach between? Is that applicable? It sounds kind of dangerous though. Your thoughts?


I saw that once on a website. Gross.

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by BreckTxLonghorn
I saw that once on a website. Gross.

Link?

rockdale80
05-20-2008, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Link?

Why is this weird brother speak. This is important information. Can we get a stickie?

Txbroadcaster
05-20-2008, 02:53 PM
wow..cant believe the mnods are letting this dirty talk go on

rockdale80
05-20-2008, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
wow..cant believe the mnods are letting this dirty talk go on

Huh:confused:

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
wow..cant believe the mnods are letting this dirty talk go on

It looks fresh and white to me, without the slightest bit of discoloration.

pirate4state
05-20-2008, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
wow..cant believe the mnods are letting this dirty talk go on well this doesn't scare me near as bad as certain breeds of dogs, but maybe it should :thinking:

plus, we've let you & buffy get away with some talk that other people deem dirty

Ranger Mom
05-20-2008, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by pirate4state

plus, we've let you & buffy get away with some talk that other people deem dirty

BIG TIME!!!!:eek: :eek:

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by rockdale80
Why is this weird brother speak. This is important information. Can we get a stickie?

I agree. It's important that people read this stuff, Txbroadcaster included. Who knows, a reach between could rock Buffy's world!

Txbroadcaster
05-20-2008, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by pirate4state
well this doesn't scare me near as bad as certain breeds of dogs, but maybe it should :thinking:

plus, we've let you & buffy get away with some talk that other people deem dirty

no u pull all the juicy stuff we talk about :D

pirate4state
05-20-2008, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
no u pull all the juicy stuff we talk about :D

not hardly, the stuff i pulled wasn't near as juicy as .... oh wait a mintue

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 03:02 PM
I think this thread needs a little HBI. :)

pirate4state
05-20-2008, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
I think this thread needs a little HBI. :) Okay, now I'm a little afraid since your brother is the administrator.

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by pirate4state
Okay, now I'm a little afraid since your brother is the administrator.


Better him than me. I could seriously hurt someone or put an eye out.

Txbroadcaster
05-20-2008, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by pirate4state
not hardly, the stuff i pulled wasn't near as juicy as .... oh wait a mintue


hahaha love it :D

rockdale80
05-20-2008, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Better him than me. I could seriously hurt someone or put an eye out.

As opposed to what I would do.

BreckTxLonghorn
05-20-2008, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Link?


Um...can't....its not exactly 'legal' in Texas. It it still haunts my dreams....

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by rockdale80
As opposed to what I would do.

Well, I'm sure you could too, but sometimes people like me are better equipped to handle situations, and in this case of you, smaller is better. :)

Ranger Mom
05-20-2008, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
I think this thread needs a little HBI. :)

:eek: :eek:

rockdale80
05-20-2008, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Well, I'm sure you could too, but sometimes people like me are better equipped to handle situations, and in this case of you, smaller is better. :)

well you are the one talking about a "little HBI"

;)

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by rockdale80
well you are the one talking about a "little HBI"

;)

Exactly. I wanted to be precise in my description, you are after all the official administrator of HBI. :)

rockdale80
05-20-2008, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Exactly. I wanted to be precise in my description, you are after all the official administrator of HBI. :)

touche

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
05-20-2008, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by rockdale80
touche

;)

BuffyMars
05-20-2008, 03:42 PM
how did i get brought into this? :confused:

i don't affiliate with perversion in any way shape or form.

proverbs 9:13 oh and 9:17

Txbroadcaster
05-20-2008, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by BuffyMars
how did i get brought into this? :confused:

i don't affiliate with perversion in any way shape or form.

proverbs 9:13 oh and 9:17

PREACH IT!

nobogey72
05-20-2008, 04:08 PM
I always thought I was cool (for my age) but, I have to admit that I don't know what the hell any of yaw'll are talking about. But, I am young enough to dang sure be curious.:confused: :confused:

BuffyMars
05-20-2008, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
PREACH IT!

well those were random proverbs, but if you read them you will lol.

especially this 1st one. only a man would write that crap.

Sweetwater Red
05-20-2008, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by BuffyMars
well those were random proverbs, but if you read them you will lol.

especially this 1st one. only a man would write that crap.

No. I'd say they pretty much nailed proverbs 9:13.:evillol:


http://bible.cc/proverbs/9-13.htm

http://bible.cc/proverbs/9-17.htm

pirate4state
05-20-2008, 04:26 PM
:doh: :doh:

this thread is not "weird marired people speak" this is "weird brother speak"

*sigh*

DU_stud04
05-20-2008, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
No. I'd say they pretty much nailed proverbs 9:13.:evillol:


http://bible.cc/proverbs/9-13.htm

http://bible.cc/proverbs/9-17.htm :clap: :clap: :clap:

pirate4state
05-20-2008, 04:30 PM
and the party is over :wave: :)