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WOS87
04-09-2008, 10:38 AM
Don't laugh but this is an example of what I do on my down time at work... :nerd:

I found it interesting though and I've never actually seen any numbers like this. What you see below are the most common final scores looking at over 10,000 scores of Texas High School Football playoff games (10,164 to be exact).

Just so you know exactly what you're looking at as an example: The first row indicates that a team has ended the game with 0 points 820 times or in a little over 8% of the total number of games that were looked at.

FINAL SCORE -- Total # -- % of Total

0 ------- 820 ------- 8.0676%
7 ------- 803 ------- 7.9004%
14 ------- 799 ------- 7.861%
21 ------- 647 ------- 6.3656%
6 ------- 464 ------- 4.5651%
28 ------- 460 ------- 4.5257%
13 ------- 409 ------- 4.024%
20 ------- 392 ------- 3.8567%
35 ------- 310 ------- 3.0499%
27 ------- 285 ------- 2.804%
24 ------- 259 ------- 2.5482%
17 ------- 237 ------- 2.3317%
12 ------- 221 ------- 2.1743%
10 ------- 220 ------- 2.1645%
42 ------- 219 ------- 2.1546%
31 ------- 218 ------- 2.1448%
34 ------- 207 ------- 2.0365%
26 ------- 175 ------- 1.7217%
19 ------- 171 ------- 1.6824%
38 ------- 145 ------- 1.4266%
16 ------- 136 ------- 1.338%
22 ------- 132 ------- 1.2987%
41 ------- 129 ------- 1.2691%
30 ------- 125 ------- 1.2298%
15 ------- 122 ------- 1.2003%
33 ------- 116 ------- 1.1412%
3 ------- 112 ------- 1.1019%
49 ------- 111 ------- 1.092%
23 ------- 110 ------- 1.0822%
18 ------- 101 ------- 0.9937%
40 ------- 99 ------- 0.974%
8 ------- 98 ------- 0.9641%
29 ------- 97 ------- 0.9543%
9 ------- 90 ------- 0.8854%
48 ------- 89 ------- 0.8756%
37 ------- 87 ------- 0.8559%
25 ------- 82 ------- 0.8067%
45 ------- 82 ------- 0.8067%
32 ------- 73 ------- 0.7182%
36 ------- 73 ------- 0.7182%
44 ------- 56 ------- 0.5509%
43 ------- 47 ------- 0.4624%
56 ------- 44 ------- 0.4329%
52 ------- 40 ------- 0.3935%
55 ------- 40 ------- 0.3935%
47 ------- 39 ------- 0.3837%
39 ------- 38 ------- 0.3738%
46 ------- 35 ------- 0.3443%
50 ------- 34 ------- 0.3345%
51 ------- 27 ------- 0.2656%
54 ------- 24 ------- 0.2361%
11 ------- 23 ------- 0.2262%
63 ------- 20 ------- 0.1967%
58 ------- 18 ------- 0.177%
61 ------- 16 ------- 0.1574%
62 ------- 16 ------- 0.1574%
57 ------- 15 ------- 0.1475%
53 ------- 14 ------- 0.1377%
59 ------- 14 ------- 0.1377%
60 ------- 14 ------- 0.1377%
2 ------- 11 ------- 0.1082%

eppy 12
04-09-2008, 10:53 AM
you do phenomonal stats, but now i have a headache:( ;)

Sweetwater Red
04-09-2008, 10:58 AM
I don't see any scores in the 70's. Did you not include Liberty
Hill in your study?:confused:



:D :devil: :D

NastySlot
04-09-2008, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
I don't see any scores in the 70's. Did you not include Liberty
Hill in your study?:confused:



:D :devil: :D


LH put up 70 on someone in the playoffs..............dang.

WOS87
04-09-2008, 11:19 AM
I know your post was tongue-in-cheek but Liberty Hill has never put up 70 points on any team in the playoffs.... regular season yes....

Their highest scoring Playoff outings were 63-6 against Marion in 2003, 62-7 against Lytle in 2005 and 60-8 against Marion in 2004.

Sweetwater Red
04-09-2008, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by WOS87
I know your post was tongue-in-cheek but Liberty Hill has never put up 70 points on any team in the playoffs.... regular season yes....

Their highest scoring Playoff outings were 63-6 against Marion in 2003, 62-7 against Lytle in 2005 and 60-8 against Marion in 2004.

Do Sweetwater! Do Sweetwater!






Oh, and please.:D

kepdawg
04-09-2008, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
Do Sweetwater! Do Sweetwater!






Oh, and please.:D

You know you can go to the homepage and look at their scores, right?

Sweetwater Red
04-09-2008, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by kepdawg
You know you can go to the homepage and look at their scores, right?

I keep forgetting there is a homepage.:doh:

WOS87
04-09-2008, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
Do Sweetwater! Do Sweetwater!






Oh, and please.:D

That would be 60-0 over FW Brewer in 1984, 58-20 over Glen Rose in 2004 ,and 54-3 over Mineral Wells in 1995

kepdawg
04-09-2008, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
I keep forgetting there is a homepage.:doh:

I think there may be more scores for Sweetwater than anybody else too!

Ranger Mom
04-09-2008, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by WOS87
58-20 over Glen Rose in 2004

That game was played in Brownwood, correct??

If so, I was there and left at halftime...it was ugly!

Sweetwater Red
04-09-2008, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by WOS87
That would be 60-0 over FW Brewer in 1984, 58-20 over Glen Rose in 2004 ,and 54-3 over Mineral Wells in 1995

Thank you. I was at both the Brewer and Glen Rose games.

WOS87
04-09-2008, 11:35 AM
Scoring more than 70 pts in the playoffs is actually quite rare. It's only happened about 20 times since WWII. Winning by a margin of 70 points is even rarer in the modern era (since 1951):

Paducah over Pilot Point 70-0 in 1954
Jasper over Crosby 70-0 in 1984
Iraan over Dell City 77-6 in 1985
Freer over Brackettville 78-7 in 1992
Waco Midway over Meridian 87-14 in 1954
Groveton over Cooper 82-6 in 1989
Iraan over Marfa 76-0 in 1991
Sealy over Newton 82-6 in 1995
Gregory-Portland over Mission Memorial 77-0 in 2004
Everman over Lake Dallas 78-0 in 2002

Sweetwater Red
04-09-2008, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by WOS87
Scoring more than 70 pts in the playoffs is actually quite rare. It's only happened about 20 times since WWII. Winning by a margin of 70 points is even rarer in the modern era (since 1951):

Paducah over Pilot Point 70-0 in 1954
Jasper over Crosby 70-0 in 1984
Iraan over Dell City 77-6 in 1985
Freer over Brackettville 78-7 in 1992
Waco Midway over Meridian 87-14 in 1954
Groveton over Cooper 82-6 in 1989
Iraan over Marfa 76-0 in 1991
Sealy over Newton 82-6 in 1995
Gregory-Portland over Mission Memorial 77-0 in 2004
Everman over Lake Dallas 78-0 in 2002


I bet most of those were in the first or second round too.:thinking:

WOS87
04-09-2008, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
I bet most of those were in the first or second round too.:thinking:

You're right most are, I'd have to go back and check...but I do know that Groveton game was in the 3rd round (the regional semifinals)

JasperDog94
04-09-2008, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by WOS87
Jasper over Crosby 70-0 in 1984
I remember going to that game. Jasper was up 68-0 and in the final minutes when they got a safety to go up 70-0. I was only 8 at the time, but I still remember bits a pieces of that game.

BILLYFRED0000
04-09-2008, 09:02 PM
I just thought I would poiint out that ya'll missed one.

Celina 71
Glen Rose 21

2007 state quarter finals. (region finals)

kepdawg
04-09-2008, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
I just thought I would poiint out that ya'll missed one.

Celina 71
Glen Rose 21

2007 state quarter finals. (region finals)

It was only 70-21!

Emerson1
04-09-2008, 09:27 PM
2 ------- 11 ------- 0.1082%

Sweet, we had one of those. To bad the other team had 14

BILLYFRED0000
04-09-2008, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by kepdawg
It was only 70-21!

You are indeed correct o wise one.

GreenGobbla
04-09-2008, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
I just thought I would poiint out that ya'll missed one.

Celina 71
Glen Rose 21

2007 state quarter finals. (region finals)

they only won by 50, not 70

kepdawg
04-09-2008, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by GreenGobbla
they only won by 50, not 70

Did anybody say they won by 70?

WOS87
04-09-2008, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by WOS87
Scoring more than 70 pts in the playoffs is actually quite rare. It's only happened about 20 times since WWII. Winning by a margin of 70 points is even rarer in the modern era (since 1951):

Paducah over Pilot Point 70-0 in 1954
Jasper over Crosby 70-0 in 1984
Iraan over Dell City 77-6 in 1985
Freer over Brackettville 78-7 in 1992
Waco Midway over Meridian 87-14 in 1954
Groveton over Cooper 82-6 in 1989
Iraan over Marfa 76-0 in 1991
Sealy over Newton 82-6 in 1995
Gregory-Portland over Mission Memorial 77-0 in 2004
Everman over Lake Dallas 78-0 in 2002

The original list was games where a team won by a margin of at least 70 pts --- that's what I think GreenGobbla was referring to

sinton66
04-09-2008, 10:57 PM
I didn't see 69 on the list. Sinton won a playoff game against La Feria in 2001 69-13, I think.

kepdawg
04-09-2008, 10:58 PM
WOS how come the high point games like Sealy aren't included in the original post? Not common enough?

kepdawg
04-09-2008, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by WOS87
The original list was games where a team won by a margin of at least 70 pts --- that's what I think GreenGobbla was referring to

I can see that now. The fact that LH scoring 70 was brought up combined with your opening line, "Scoring more than 70 pts in the playoffs is actually quite rare." threw me off. I thought we were talking about scoring 70 points. When I read the post earlier I didn't realize that you had only listed scores of 70+ point wins.

WOS87
04-09-2008, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by kepdawg
WOS how come the high point games like Sealy aren't included in the original post? Not common enough?

There are many high scores that only occurred a handful of times (going up to 124 points scored by Waco in 1927) that aren't included in the original list. I only included scores that were made at least 10 times or more to keep the post short.

The rarest of the low numbers would be 4 points. I've only found one playoff game ever in which a team scored 4 points. Harlingen winning over La Joya 4-0 in the 1995 5A DI playoffs.

kepdawg
04-09-2008, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by WOS87
There are many high scores that only occurred a handful of times (going up to 124 points scored by Waco in 1927) that aren't included in the original list. I only included scores that were made at least 10 times or more to keep the post short.

The rarest of the low numbers would be 4 points. I've only found one playoff game ever in which a team scored 4 points. Harlingen winning over La Joya 4-0 in the 1995 5A DI playoffs.

4-0? I bet that was an exciting game!

WOS87
04-09-2008, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by kepdawg
4-0? I bet that was an exciting game!

I guess by definition it had to have been a defensive struggle since all the points scored were by the defense...

charlesrixey
04-10-2008, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by WOS87
I know your post was tongue-in-cheek but Liberty Hill has never put up 70 points on any team in the playoffs.... regular season yes....

Their highest scoring Playoff outings were 63-6 against Marion in 2003, 62-7 against Lytle in 2005 and 60-8 against Marion in 2004.


You must have them confused with Celina, who did score 70 points in a win over Glen Rose in the Quarterfinals last season.

charlesrixey
04-10-2008, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by charlesrixey
You must have them confused with Celina, who did score 70 points in a win over Glen Rose in the Quarterfinals last season.

oops!

i see it has already been pointed out!

kepdawg
04-10-2008, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by charlesrixey
oops!

i see it has already been pointed out!

Come on Rixey! You know any possible slight of Celina couldn't last this long without being brought up!

I_DONT_CARE
04-10-2008, 10:22 AM
I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT SOMETIMES THE LACK OF COMPREHENSION AMAZES ME.

kepdawg
04-10-2008, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by I_DONT_CARE
I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT SOMETIMES THE LACK OF COMPREHENSION AMAZES ME.

Does that mean you care?

j_dog
04-10-2008, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by JasperDog94
I remember going to that game. Jasper was up 68-0 and in the final minutes when they got a safety to go up 70-0. I was only 8 at the time, but I still remember bits a pieces of that game.
It was cold that night and Jasper scored something like 49 points while my son was standing in line to buy hot chocolate. :)

Talk about loaded with speed, that Jasper team was, then they go lose to Tomball the next week. :mad:

I think that game was the first round, but Crosby was no particular slouch. They had an 8-2 record going into the game. Jasper was beating a lot of teams by margins almost that bad.

WOS87
04-10-2008, 04:39 PM
Here's the database of scores that you can look up yourself.... It's an ever expanding project so it will likely contain ever-increasing information each time you check back... Only 6,197 out of the 13,945 final scores have been added in so far but I'm typing them in as fast as I can and will be adding in dates and venues eventually....



U.I.L. 11-man Football Playoff Game Database 1920-2007 (http://idisk.mac.com/cboehme69-Public/playoffs/5aplayoffsweb.xls)





The above link will take you to a webpage in Excel format (about 4MB in size) listing almost 14,000 individual games that have been played in the UIL 11-man football playoffs from 1920 through the end of the 2007 playoffs. It should open on any PC but Mac computers may have difficulty opening it within a browser unless you have a translator able to open XLS files. The spreadsheet can be sorted anyway you like, and or downloaded and saved.



The database now is complete showing every game played in Class 5A all the way down to the now defunct Class B from 1920 through 2007. Individual game scores are listed for all largest classification games. Only margin of victory is present for all lower classification games but individual scores will be added for those games as well soon. A new column on the far right has been added to let you know in which tier among the classifications each game was played. (1st = largest existing classification, 2nd = second largest, 3rd = third largest, 4th = fourth largest classification, 5th = fifth largest classification)



Tips: (1) If you go to the "Data" menu at the top of the screen and choose "Sort", then sort by first the "Lost to:" column (Column J) ascending and then second by "Year" (Column A) ascending, and 3rd by "Rnd" ascending (Column D) you will get an alphabetical listing of every team that has won at least 1 playoff game, listing each WIN in chronological order.

(2) If you sort by first the "School" column (Column E) ascending, then second by "Year" ascending (Column A) you will get an alphabetical listing of every team that has qualified for the playoffs, and each appearance by year listed in chronological order.

(3) If you sort by first the "School" column ascending, then second by either "W" or "Rnd" descending you will get an alphabetical listing of every team listing all playoff appearances in order of furthest advancement or most wins.

(4) If you sort by first the "tW" column descending, then second by "Win%" descending and third by "Year" descending you will get a list of schools listed in order by most playoff wins all-time, with the most recent playoff appearance showing up in the year column.

(5) If you sort by first Column F (ascending or descending) then second by either PF, PA or MOL descending, you will get a listing of individual games ranked by either most points scored, most points allowed or largest margin of victory in each round of the playoff bracket.



The columns on the table are as follows:



Year - The Playoff Year

Class - The Playoff Classification

Div - Division 1 or 2 for those playoffs since 1990

Rnd - The furthest round in the playoff bracket which the team advanced

School - The team in question

Unlabeled column - Shows how far the above school went in the playoffs in that particular year

W- Total wins in the playoffs for the above school in that particular year

L- Total losses in the playoffs for the above school in that particular year

T- Total tie games in the playoffs for the above school in that particular year

Lost to: The team to whom the above school finally lost in the playoffs in that particular year

PF: Points scored by the losing team

PA: Points allowed by the losing team

MOL: The Margin of Loss in the final game played in the playoffs that year

cW: The cumulative Win total all-time (total wins from 1920 up until the year in question)

cL: The cumulative Loss total all-time (total losses from 1920 up until the year in question)

cT: The cumulative Tie total all-time (total ties from 1920 up until the year in question)

tW: All-Time Win Total 1920 - 2007

tL: All-Time Loss Total 1920- 2007

tT: All-Time Tie Total 1920 - 2007

Win%: All-Time Playoff Game Winning Percentage 1920 - 2007

Tier: 1st=largest existing classification, 2nd=second largest existing classification, 3rd=third largest, etc.



Forfeit losses ARE counted as actual losses in these totals (unlike a lot of my other stats which are on-the-field records only) which may account for some discrepancies between other posted stats.

kepdawg
04-10-2008, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by WOS87
Here's the database of scores that you can look up yourself.... It's an ever expanding project so it will likely contain ever-increasing information each time you check back... Only 6,197 out of the 13,945 final scores have been added in so far but I'm typing them in as fast as I can and will be adding in dates and venues eventually....



U.I.L. 11-man Football Playoff Game Database 1920-2007 (http://idisk.mac.com/cboehme69-Public/playoffs/5aplayoffsweb.xls)





The above link will take you to a webpage in Excel format (about 4MB in size) listing almost 14,000 individual games that have been played in the UIL 11-man football playoffs from 1920 through the end of the 2007 playoffs. It should open on any PC but Mac computers may have difficulty opening it within a browser unless you have a translator able to open XLS files. The spreadsheet can be sorted anyway you like, and or downloaded and saved.



The database now is complete showing every game played in Class 5A all the way down to the now defunct Class B from 1920 through 2007. Individual game scores are listed for all largest classification games. Only margin of victory is present for all lower classification games but individual scores will be added for those games as well soon. A new column on the far right has been added to let you know in which tier among the classifications each game was played. (1st = largest existing classification, 2nd = second largest, 3rd = third largest, 4th = fourth largest classification, 5th = fifth largest classification)



Tips: (1) If you go to the "Data" menu at the top of the screen and choose "Sort", then sort by first the "Lost to:" column (Column J) ascending and then second by "Year" (Column A) ascending, and 3rd by "Rnd" ascending (Column D) you will get an alphabetical listing of every team that has won at least 1 playoff game, listing each WIN in chronological order.

(2) If you sort by first the "School" column (Column E) ascending, then second by "Year" ascending (Column A) you will get an alphabetical listing of every team that has qualified for the playoffs, and each appearance by year listed in chronological order.

(3) If you sort by first the "School" column ascending, then second by either "W" or "Rnd" descending you will get an alphabetical listing of every team listing all playoff appearances in order of furthest advancement or most wins.

(4) If you sort by first the "tW" column descending, then second by "Win%" descending and third by "Year" descending you will get a list of schools listed in order by most playoff wins all-time, with the most recent playoff appearance showing up in the year column.

(5) If you sort by first Column F (ascending or descending) then second by either PF, PA or MOL descending, you will get a listing of individual games ranked by either most points scored, most points allowed or largest margin of victory in each round of the playoff bracket.



The columns on the table are as follows:



Year - The Playoff Year

Class - The Playoff Classification

Div - Division 1 or 2 for those playoffs since 1990

Rnd - The furthest round in the playoff bracket which the team advanced

School - The team in question

Unlabeled column - Shows how far the above school went in the playoffs in that particular year

W- Total wins in the playoffs for the above school in that particular year

L- Total losses in the playoffs for the above school in that particular year

T- Total tie games in the playoffs for the above school in that particular year

Lost to: The team to whom the above school finally lost in the playoffs in that particular year

PF: Points scored by the losing team

PA: Points allowed by the losing team

MOL: The Margin of Loss in the final game played in the playoffs that year

cW: The cumulative Win total all-time (total wins from 1920 up until the year in question)

cL: The cumulative Loss total all-time (total losses from 1920 up until the year in question)

cT: The cumulative Tie total all-time (total ties from 1920 up until the year in question)

tW: All-Time Win Total 1920 - 2007

tL: All-Time Loss Total 1920- 2007

tT: All-Time Tie Total 1920 - 2007

Win%: All-Time Playoff Game Winning Percentage 1920 - 2007

Tier: 1st=largest existing classification, 2nd=second largest existing classification, 3rd=third largest, etc.



Forfeit losses ARE counted as actual losses in these totals (unlike a lot of my other stats which are on-the-field records only) which may account for some discrepancies between other posted stats.

PHS Wildcats
04-10-2008, 07:46 PM
greatness that is WOS87:clap:

JasperDog94
04-10-2008, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by j_dog
It was cold that night and Jasper scored something like 49 points while my son was standing in line to buy hot chocolate. :)

Talk about loaded with speed, that Jasper team was, then they go lose to Tomball the next week. :mad:

I think that game was the first round, but Crosby was no particular slouch. They had an 8-2 record going into the game. Jasper was beating a lot of teams by margins almost that bad. Jasper just didn't have the coaching to win once they got past the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs. Walkoviak's play book was run left, run right, run up the middle, punt.

LH Panther Mom
04-10-2008, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by JasperDog94
Walkoviak's play book was run left, run right, run up the middle, punt.
:doh: :doh: Well, there's the problem. The punts would've been limited if it had been run right, run left, run up the middle. :p ;)

JasperDog94
04-10-2008, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
:doh: :doh: Well, there's the problem. The punts would've been limited if it had been run right, run left, run up the middle. :p ;) :confused: I must be a little slow tonight...(no comment needed):p :p

j_dog
04-11-2008, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by JasperDog94
Jasper just didn't have the coaching to win once they got past the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs. Walkoviak's play book was run left, run right, run up the middle, punt.
You must have been watching different Walkoviak teams than I watched.