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jason
03-25-2008, 02:29 PM
Government benefit programs in trouble

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer 1 hour, 2 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Trustees for the government's two biggest benefit programs warned Tuesday that Social Security and Medicare are facing "enormous challenges" with the threat to Medicare's solvency far more severe.

The trustees, issuing a once-a-year analysis of the government's two biggest benefit programs, said the resources in the Social Security trust fund will be depleted by 2041. The reserves in the Medicare trust fund that pays hospital benefits were projected to be wiped out by 2019.

Both those dates were the same as in last year's report. But the trustees warned that financial pressures will begin much sooner when the programs begin paying out more in benefits each year than they collect in payroll taxes. For Medicare, that threshhold is projected to be reached this year and for Social Security it is projected to occur in 2017.

The first year that payments will exceed income for Social Security will occur in 2017, just nine years from now, reflecting growing demands from the retirement of 78 million baby boomers. Medicare is projected to pay out more than it receives in income starting this year.

"The financial difficulties facing Social Security and Medicare pose enormous challenges," the trustees said in their report. "The sooner these challenges are addressed, the more varied and less disruptive their solutions can be."

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, one of the trustees, warned that the country was facing a fiscal train wreck unless something is done.

"Without change, rising costs will drive government spending to unprecedented levels, consume nearly all projected federal revenues and threaten America's future prosperity," Paulson said in releasing the new report. "Our nation needs a bipartisan effort to strengthen both programs for future retirees."

President Bush, who wanted to make overhauling Social Security his top domestic priority in his second term, tapped Paulson to lead that effort. However, Paulson has been unable to forge a consensus with Democrats, who took control of Congress in 2006.

Democrats contend that Bush lost valuable time after his 2004 re-election pushing a plan to allow younger workers to direct their payroll tax contributions into private accounts, an idea that went nowhere in Congress.

While the Social Security trust fund will have resources until 2041, the more critical date in terms of government revenues will occur in 2017. That is the date that Social Security will have to pay out more in benefits than it collects in payroll taxes. At present, Social Security is running large surpluses that are going to fund the rest of government.

However, in 2017, the situation will be reversed and the government will have to start filling the gap between what Social Security will be collecting in payroll taxes and what it must pay out. Technically, it will do that by redeeming the non-marketable Treasury securities that are held in the trust fund. However, those bonds are simply government IOUs.

To get the money to pay the benefits, the government will have to borrow or close the gap in other ways such as cutting benefits or raising taxes.


LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_go_ot/social_security)

Phil C
03-25-2008, 02:35 PM
I'LL SUE!!!


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Emerson1
03-25-2008, 02:37 PM
To many rich people get SS and Medicare. I was reading today in Government the senators in congress that make $150k a year get both after retirement.

LH Panther Mom
03-25-2008, 02:38 PM
They've been "going broke" for as long as I remember. :thinking:

jason
03-25-2008, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Emerson1
To many rich people get SS and Medicare. I was reading today in Government the senators in congress that make $150k a year get both after retirement. too many people who come here and feel they have a 'right' to be financially protected by the government, yet never contributed any funds, get the benefits....


:mad: :mad: :mad:

Emerson1
03-25-2008, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by jason
too many people who come here and feel they have a 'right' to be financially protected by the government, yet never contributed any funds, get the benefits....


:mad: :mad: :mad:
We all know you hate mexicans

sahen
03-25-2008, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Emerson1
To many rich people get SS and Medicare. I was reading today in Government the senators in congress that make $150k a year get both after retirement.

those "rich" people paid money into social security (barring tax fraud) their whole working lives...i think they have a right to that money just like everyone else...gotta agree w/ jason, if you didnt put jack squat into it then you shouldnt get social security at least...medicare i dunno about i'd have to think about that....

sinton66
03-25-2008, 08:35 PM
Don't overlook the essential statement in that report:
At present, Social Security is running large surpluses that are going to fund the rest of government.

Here is the problem, simple mis-appropriation of funds, OUR retirement funds. This has been going on for years. It is absolutely the fault of Congress. They need to MAKE these other branches pay that money back with interest, and if they can't and be self sufficient, they need to be eliminated.

Necks_Fan
03-25-2008, 08:38 PM
I pay social security and medicare out of my check every week. Probably about 25 dollars total a week (I only work like 24 hrs a week) and I will probably never see a dime of it if I had to guess.

JasperDog94
03-25-2008, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Necks_Fan
I pay social security and medicare out of my check every week. Probably about 25 dollars total a week (I only work like 24 hrs a week) and I will probably never see a dime of it if I had to guess. Every financial advisor I've ever talked to said "Don't count on social security being there."

Necks_Fan
03-25-2008, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by JasperDog94
Every financial advisor I've ever talked to said "Don't count on social security being there." I don't plan on it being there for me, that's exactly why I said I will probably never see a dime of it.

STANG RED
03-25-2008, 09:26 PM
I used to get a letter from them every year about all this money I have in there, but I havent even seen one of those letters now in several years. It they would just give me 1/2 of it to invest on my own, I think I would have more than enough to retire on in 10 years or less.:mad: As it is now, I'll probably have to work till I die.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: