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kepdawg
03-14-2008, 12:00 AM
PLEASE READ THIS!

This list is not expected to be "accurate" as it was thrown together in a matter of minutes simply to fuel discussion. It seems that often it is easier for people to critique and revise information rather than generating it on their own. Only teams that won championships were considered! So feel free to revise this list or provide your own! Attacking this list or my "opinion" will not get you anywhere with me on this thread. There will be no attempt to defend this list.

Top 10 3A Championship Teams Since 1980

1 1983 Daingerfield
2 1986 Jefferson
3 1992 Southlake Carroll
4 2002 Everman
5 1990 Vernon
6 2007 Liberty Hill
7 1995 Sealy
8 1993 Southlake Carroll
9 2005 Wimberley
10 1988 Southlake Carroll

JR2004
03-14-2008, 12:25 AM
I'm guessing you didn't mean SLC's 98 team since they were in 4A at the time.

kepdawg
03-14-2008, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by JR2004
I'm guessing you didn't mean SLC's 98 team since they were in 4A at the time.

Oops! I guess I should change that!

WOS87
03-14-2008, 04:05 AM
Since a lot of people probably won't remember the details of some of those teams from the early '80's (or are too young to), here's some reference material on 36 of the 38 3A champs since 1980. Medina Valley 1984 and Refugio 1982 are missing because I don't have the records for those two seasons.

I'm putting mine together rather quickly as well but my Top 10 would probably be something close to this:

1. Daingerfield 1983 - no contest
2. Pittsburg 1980 - only 23 points scored against
3. Southlake Carroll 1992 - averaged 50 pts per game
4. Sealy 1995
5. Cuero 1987
6. Southlake Carroll 1988
7. Liberty Hill 2007 - won all 5 playoff games by 25 pts or more
8. Everman 2002 - won by an average of 40 pts per game despite one loss
9. Wimberley 2005
10. Jefferson 1986

I agree with you on 7 out of 10. The only major omission in my opinion would be that you left off Pittsburg's 1980 team which had the misfortune of winning their title just 3 years prior to Daingerfield. Had it not been for Daingerfield's unbelievable season, everyone would be referring to Pittsburg '80 instead of Daingerfield '83 as one of the best ever. Pittsburg only allowed 23 points in 15 games that year.

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http://idisk.mac.com/cboehme69-Public/scores/3a80-97.gif

griff
03-14-2008, 05:34 AM
Definitely the Daingerfield team from '83 belongs at the top of that list.

trojan37
03-14-2008, 08:24 AM
83 Daingerfield is the obvious #1 pick. I sat at home the night of that state championship in Waco, but my dad went. He said he had never seen a high school team play like those guys did. As soon as the ball was snapped, the d line was all over the quarterback. On another note, that 1980 Pittsburgh team was another awesome group. West made it to the semi's that year, being blown out by Van Vleck 31-0, a game in which I did actually go to. There's no telling what Pittsburgh would have done to us.

lostaussie
03-14-2008, 09:38 AM
i was going through some of WOS87 numbers the other day and saw that 04' Gilmer team was one of the highest scoring of all the former champs. certainly not saying they belong on this list...........just giving food for thought.

NastySlot
03-14-2008, 10:22 AM
if i remember right that daingerfield had only been in 3A for two years had just dropped..........that was an incredible team.

NastySlot
03-14-2008, 10:24 AM
I think I would add that Vernon team there...I saw them very good "Team"....also saw that Cuero team....alot of talent if I remember right had loss two previous state championships.

mwynn05
03-14-2008, 11:08 AM
That pitt team only gave up 2 points to 3a competition i believe

waterboy
03-14-2008, 11:21 AM
I believe WOS87 has it closest to the way I would rate them. The first two, without a doubt, should go to '83 Daingerfield, then '80 Pittsburg. I don't think anyone will duplicate those type of defensive stats in our lifetime. With the rest you could argue about.

Txbroadcaster
03-14-2008, 11:24 AM
I will always put the 86 Jefferson team in the #2 or #3 spot simply because D'Field coach Dennis Alexander once said the 86 Jefferson offense was the only team he saw he thought that would move the ball well and score agianst his 83 Tiger team

WOS87
03-14-2008, 12:12 PM
Here's what I have for the '84 champs

Medina Valley (16-0-0)
1984 3A State Champs

Non-District
1 - San Antonio Southwest 41-6
2 - Floresville 34-7
3 - Carrizo Springs 14-3
4 - Uvalde 31-14
5 - Unknown opponent
District 28-3A
6 - Somerset - score unknown
7 - Hondo 27-6
8 - Cotulla 37-0
9 - Poteet - score unknown
10- Devine 14-0
Playoffs
Bi-D: Boerne 26-0
Area: Rice Consolidated 24-6
Reg: Port Isabel 24-0
Qu: Columbus 28-13
Semis: Sweeny 43-6
Finals: Daingerfield 21-13

NastySlot
03-14-2008, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by WOS87
Here's what I have for the '84 champs

Medina Valley (16-0-0)
1984 3A State Champs

Non-District
1 - San Antonio Southwest 41-6
2 - Floresville 34-7
3 - Carrizo Springs 14-3
4 - Uvalde 31-14
5 - Unknown opponent
District 28-3A
6 - Somerset - score unknown
7 - Hondo 27-6
8 - Cotulla 37-0
9 - Poteet - score unknown
10- Devine 14-0
Playoffs
Bi-D: Boerne 26-0
Area: Rice Consolidated 24-6
Reg: Port Isabel 24-0
Qu: Columbus 28-13
Semis: Sweeny 43-6
Finals: Daingerfield 21-13


wow...i wonder what classification southwest was at the time....they have grown to almost over 3,000 students.....and could that unknown opponent maybe been pearsall?

WOS87
03-14-2008, 12:35 PM
And for the sake of completion... here's what I have for the '82 champs

Refugio (15-1-0)
1982 3A State Champs

Non-District
1 - Sinton 7-0
2 - San Antonio St. Gerards 20-7
3 - Hallettsville 7-15 (only loss)
4 - Rockport-Fulton 62-6
5 - Hebbronville - score unknown
District 29-3A
6 - Aransas Pass 42-0
7 - Goliad 55-6
8 - Taft 28-3
9 - Ingleside - score unknown
10- Corpus Christi West Oso 60-0
Playoffs
Bi-D: Odem 47-7
Area: Hebbronville 25-0
Reg: Medina Valley 21-0
Qu: Sweeny 18-7
Semis: Navasota 28-0
Finals: Littlefield 22-21

injuredinmelee
03-14-2008, 12:44 PM
2002 Everman should be second on that list.

BobcatBenny
03-14-2008, 02:02 PM
Probably just bitterness, but not really. :D

2007 Liberty Hill does not make the top 10. Excellent team, but not near to being able to say one of the 10 best.

WOS87 assertion that LH makes the list because they won their five playoff games by 25 or more you would then be forced to stick 2007 Celina right in there which they are not.

Celina won five by 42, 41, 27, 49, 26.

There would be other factors when looking at statistics that you would use in this comparison and the result has to be neither team is top 10 of all time.

Liberty Hill 2007 was obviously a great team, just not historic.
Nor was the Celina team other than the fact it gave Celina program eight state championships.

Dems da fax. :nerd: :devil:

Emerson1
03-14-2008, 02:04 PM
Do a top #2 list :D

Panther One
03-14-2008, 02:05 PM
So Bandera remains the only team to finish third in district and go on to win state.

Emerson1
03-14-2008, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by kepdawg
[COLOR=red]PLEASE READ THIS!


4 2002 Everman

Forney should of beat them, we got screwed.

STANG RED
03-14-2008, 02:37 PM
:thinking: So what was Snyders record last year?:thinking: :thinking:
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:confused: Well what ever it was, they were the best team in the state with that record period. I know its true, cause I read it right here on the dlow.:p

kepdawg
03-14-2008, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by BobcatBenny
Probably just bitterness, but not really. :D

2007 Liberty Hill does not make the top 10. Excellent team, but not near to being able to say one of the 10 best.

WOS87 assertion that LH makes the list because they won their five playoff games by 25 or more you would then be forced to stick 2007 Celina right in there which they are not.

Celina won five by 42, 41, 27, 49, 26.

There would be other factors when looking at statistics that you would use in this comparison and the result has to be neither team is top 10 of all time.

Liberty Hill 2007 was obviously a great team, just not historic.
Nor was the Celina team other than the fact it gave Celina program eight state championships.

Dems da fax. :nerd: :devil:

Wow! I'm impressed! :eek:

WOS87
03-14-2008, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by BobcatBenny
Probably just bitterness, but not really. :D

2007 Liberty Hill does not make the top 10. Excellent team, but not near to being able to say one of the 10 best.

WOS87 assertion that LH makes the list because they won their five playoff games by 25 or more you would then be forced to stick 2007 Celina right in there which they are not.

Celina won five by 42, 41, 27, 49, 26.

There would be other factors when looking at statistics that you would use in this comparison and the result has to be neither team is top 10 of all time.

Liberty Hill 2007 was obviously a great team, just not historic.
Nor was the Celina team other than the fact it gave Celina program eight state championships.

Dems da fax. :nerd: :devil:

Sorry but I beg to differ! Not only did Liberty Hill win EVERY playoff game they played by 25 points or more including against a state finalist that was 14-0-0 going in to the game, they won every game in the season by a margin of 12 points or more, with 12 out of the 14 opponents having a larger enrollment.

Try to find another 3A team in Texas High School Football history to have equalled or surpassed that. You won't find a single one.... not Daingerfield '83, not Pittsburg '80, not Southlake '92, and not Celina '07. In fact, the number of teams in 4A and 5A to ever do that can be counted on one hand. Winning every game in a season by a double digit margin is an extremely rare feat and pretty much by definition equals dominance. I'd say they definitely make the top 10 of a list that only includes 38 teams. Top 10 is only top 25% in a group that small.

Dems da fax as well... no sour grapes or bitterness involved on this end at all as I have no ties to Liberty Hill and no reason to be hyping them up (or putting them down) over any of the other 37 state champs in discussion. :cool: :cool:

BobcatBenny
03-14-2008, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by WOS87
Sorry but I beg to differ! Not only did Liberty Hill win EVERY playoff game they played by 25 points or more including against a state finalist that was 14-0-0 going in to the game, they won every game in the season by a margin of 12 points or more, with 12 out of the 14 opponents having a larger enrollment.

Try to find another 3A team in Texas High School Football history to have equalled or surpassed that. You won't find a single one.... not Daingerfield '83, not Pittsburg '80, not Southlake '92, and not Celina '07. In fact, the number of teams in 4A and 5A to ever do that can be counted on one hand. Winning every game in a season by a double digit margin is an extremely rare feat and pretty much by definition equals dominance. I'd say they definitely make the top 10 of a list that only includes 38 teams. Top 10 is only top 25% in a group that small.

Dems da fax as well... no sour grapes or bitterness involved on this end at all as I have no ties to Liberty Hill and no reason to be hyping them up (or putting them down) over any of the other 37 state champs in discussion. :cool: :cool:
Enrollment is an interesting statistic, but I do not know how much weight I would give that. But it is interesting.

Did you not check that at least 12 of Celina's opponents had larger enrollements (with the possibility of the 2 private schools being larger as well)?

Then, what about a 2005 Tatum team that wins a 3A championship on its way to 2A?

And yes, LH may have won 14 games by 12 or more points. But, there was another team that won 15 by 13 or more points that same season.

LH's Defense gave up an average of 14 points a game. There was another team that very same season that gave up less than 10.

And even I would not put that other team in the top 11.

What about all the other teams that showed just amazing defensive performance over 15 to 16 games? Sure only one is possibly even reasonably close to Daingerfield, but there are more than 10 that had defensive performances which were significantly superior to LH.

2007 LH is excellent but there is plenty of evidence to put more than 10 other teams ahead as well.

But, you are welcome to your opinion, I just think the freshness of the season is probably a factor in putting LH where you did.

BobcatBenny
03-14-2008, 06:57 PM
Oh and as far as enrollment goes, LH played 9 teams with a larger enrollment. I just checked the enrollment figures.

Again, how much enrollment really matters? I do not know, but just thought I would let you know.

Here is the link to the enrollment figures.


http://www.uil.utexas.edu/2008align/pdf/3A_fb_enroll.pdf :nerd: :nerd: :D

zebrablue2
03-14-2008, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Panther One
So Bandera remains the only team to finish third in district and go on to win state.


that was bellville's fault....

LH Panther Mom
03-14-2008, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by BobcatBenny
Oh and as far as enrollment goes, LH played 9 teams with a larger enrollment. I just checked the enrollment figures.

Again, how much enrollment really matters? I do not know, but just thought I would let you know.

Here is the link to the enrollment figures.


http://www.uil.utexas.edu/2008align/pdf/3A_fb_enroll.pdf :nerd: :nerd: :D
I'm fairly certain that the enrollment figures that he used were the enrollment figures in place at the time of the game, which would be the ones taken in 2006. But I can certainly tell that you're not bitter. He's entitled to his opinion, just as you are to yours.

bobcat1
03-14-2008, 07:59 PM
Everyone knows LH doesn't belong there and would not be on there anywhere but here. We all know they ducked Celina all year by sabotaging Hutto and Taylors games. That's right! The evidence is overwhelming that LH secretly taped the Thursday walkthroughs for both Hutto and Taylor and furnished it to their opponents!;) :p

kepdawg
03-14-2008, 08:16 PM
I see we've had two Celina people tell us one team that should not be in the top 10. So who do the Celina people think should be in the top 10?

Snydertigersrul
03-14-2008, 08:55 PM
SNYDER, THE BEST 12-3 TEAM IN 2007

bobcat1
03-14-2008, 08:57 PM
We gave up less and scored more than them. :thinking: If we don't go then you have to put 94 Sealy in there. Word! :cool:

LH Panther Mom
03-14-2008, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by bobcat1
We gave up less and scored more than them. :thinking:
As you should have if you consider SOS. :thumbsup:



But here. I'll say it. Any team Celina has fielded since 1980 is heads above any team Liberty Hill has during the same period. :) Oh, and we got lucky on that field goal. Did I miss anything?

kepdawg
03-14-2008, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
SNYDER, THE BEST 12-3 TEAM IN 2007

Don't you mean the best 12-3 team ever!

WOS87
03-14-2008, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by BobcatBenny
And yes, LH may have won 14 games by 12 or more points. But, there was another team that won 15 by 13 or more points that same season.


And you just happen to leave out that you won the most important game of the year --- the 16th, the state finals --- over a district runner-up by 7 points.


Calm down! I love Celina and Liberty Hill equally....
Believe it or not, it is possible for someone to truly believe that Liberty Hill 2007 belongs on a top 10 list of all-time 3A State Champs since 1980 without there being any malicious intent towards Celina. What's the big deal!

If it makes you feel any better I would put Celina 2005 as #1 on a similar list of 2A State Champs since 1980.

:inlove:

BobcatBenny
03-14-2008, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by WOS87
And you just happen to leave out that you won the most important game of the year --- the 16th, the state finals --- over a district runner-up by 7 points.


Calm down! I love Celina and Liberty Hill equally....
Believe it or not, it is possible for someone to truly believe that Liberty Hill 2007 belongs on a top 10 list of all-time 3A State Champs since 1980 without there being any malicious intent towards Celina. What's the big deal!

If it makes you feel any better I would put Celina 2005 as #1 on a similar list of 2A State Champs since 1980.

:inlove:
Well, I am not worked up at all, I was just pointing out that I didn't think that 2007 LH or Celina do not belong in the top 10 because their seasons were very comparable statistically. Both undefeated. Both very dominate. But there are teams that I would put in the top 10 based upon the stats and what I have learned about the teams before these.

And I would lean more towards the teams that were defense heavy.

I'll stick with the undefeated that had defenses that kept the scores down. Defense wins championships.

1. 1983 Dangerfield
2. 1980 Pitts
3. 1984 Medina Valley (based on your incomplete stats)
4. 1988 SLC
5. 1993 SLC
6. 1992 SLC
7. 1987 Cuero
8. 1995 Sealy
9. 1997 Sealy
10. 1994 Sealy
11. 2000 Gatesville
12. 2002 Everman
13. 2001 Everman
14. 1999 Commerce
15. 1998 Newton

Wimberly and Tatum in 2005

Now LH and Celina 2007.

And I really think the 2006 LH team, eventhough they had 2 losses, may go before 2007 LH (no offense 2007). That is just my gut feeling because the statistics do not show it. :eek:

LH Panther Mom
03-14-2008, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by BobcatBenny
And I really think the 2006 LH team, eventhough they had 2 losses, may go before 2007 LH (no offense 2007). That is just my gut feeling because the statistics do not show it. :eek:
It's just gas. :p Why? Because the 2006 team actually beat the almighty Celina? :hand:

BobcatBenny
03-15-2008, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
It's just gas. :p Why? Because the 2006 team actually beat the almighty Celina? :hand:
Nope. I just think that the 2007 LH team feed off of the confidence generated by the 2006 team.

I have seen it personally 6 times.

But I could be wrong, but if the 2008 installment of LH is as successful as I think it will be, then I think you will develop a gut like mine. :eek:

2006 set the LH standard.

kepdawg
03-15-2008, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by BobcatBenny
Nope. I just think that the 2007 LH team feed off of the confidence generated by the 2006 team.

I have seen it personally 6 times.

But I could be wrong, but if the 2008 installment of LH is as successful as I think it will be, then I think you will develop a gut like mine. :eek:

2006 set the LH standard.

That's an interesting take.

Panther One
03-15-2008, 02:30 AM
If Celina's team would have been able to back their fans' predictions and beat China Spring by more than seven, they might have cracked this top 10 list, and if not, their fans would surely be calling for it. Since they weren't able to handily beat China Spring, they can't justify putting their team up there so they're trying to pull LH down with them. Typical, if you ask me.

bobcat1
03-15-2008, 06:05 AM
The main reason LH 2007 doesn't belong there is they never play anyone and the field goal was luck:eek: :p

Seriously we aren't trying to pull LH down only trying to put them where they are supposed to be in my opinion. You have your opinion and I have mine. I know the difference a healthy D'Anton Lynn makes in a game. For crying out loud, he is just going to Penn State and was recruited by nearly every major college. He was recruited for a reason folks. He made receivers get alligator arms coming over the middle and they better have that head on a swivel. I watched him in the state game make a tackle and try to strip the ball with his good arm while the one with the broke shoulder dangled. He also returned punts and kick offs and had about 10 offensive plays that got the ball in his hands but he didn't get to do any of that. So do not tell me with 2 good arms he would not have changed the game. I think he will play Sundays someday.

I_DONT_CARE
03-15-2008, 12:23 PM
HOW DO YOU MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT TEAMS WERE THE 10 BEST?

IF IT'S BASED ON OPINION, THEN ALL ARE CORRECT AND WHO CARES IF SOMEONE DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU?

IF IT'S BASED ON MOST POINTS SCORED, MAYBE AN ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE FOR BEST OFFENSIVE TEAM. I SAID MAYBE. IS AVERAGING 45 POINTS AGAINST LESSER OPPONENTS A BETTER ACCOMPLISHMENT THAN AVERAGING 44 POINTS AGAINST QUALITY OPPONENTS? THE SAME CAN BE SAID FOR DEFENSE. IF CRAPPY TEAMS SCORE AN AVERAGE OF 8 POINTS, IS THAT BETTER THAN GOOD TEAMS SCORING 14?

CAN YOU EVEN DETERMINE WHETHER ONE YEARS' TEAM WAS BETTER THAN THE NEXT YEARS' TEAM FOR THE SAME TOWN? THE ONLY WAY I SEE THAT BEING ANSWERED IS IF EVERY OPPONENT FOR BOTH TEAMS HAD EXACTLY THE SAME PLAYERS EACH YEAR, AND ALL OPPONENTS WERE THE SAME THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

MAYBE 1983 DAINGERFIELD WAS THE BEST TEAM FOR THAT TIME. OR MAYBE NOT. COULD THAT TEAM HAVE THE SAME SUCCESS AGAINST TEAMS IN THE CURRENT ERA?

HOW DO YOU SETTLE A "BEST TEAM" OTHER THAN ON THE FIELD?

kepdawg
03-15-2008, 12:55 PM
IDC let's see if we can round up all the teams and have a tournament!

WOS87
03-15-2008, 01:48 PM
I found the missing scores to complete the details of the Refugio 1982 championship season but still am missing 3 from the Medina Valley '84 season. Both have been added in to the graphic I posted back at the beginning of the thread.

WOS87
03-15-2008, 04:06 PM
In looking over the numbers, I found yet another pretty remarkable stat in regards to Liberty Hill '07 that keeps me confident in where I placed them.

The lowest offensive point total LH had last season was the 33 points they were held to by Waco Connally. In comparing this number to other state champs over the years it turns out that this is also quite a feat.

I don't have the individual game records of all 364 UIL 11-man state champs that have been crowned since 1920 but I do have well over 200 of them including every 5A champ, every 4A champ, all the 3A champs back to 1980 and all the 2A champs back to 1998 plus several dozen more here and there. The majority of these can be found where I posted them all on one page which can be seen at the link below:

link to Roads to the Title (http://texashsfootball.com/board/thsfpedia/index.php/Roads_to_the_Title)

Using the data that I have here are the Highest "lowest offensive outputs" among state champs.

Both LH teams from the past two years made the top 20 and they are in the company of most of the usual suspects that tend to show up on lists of what are considered the best offensive teams of all-time.

3A teams highlighted in YELLOW

Lowest Offensive Point Total in a Single Game among State Champs

1. 2005 4A DI Champ Highland Park - 35 points
2. 1999 2A DI Champ Mart - 35 points
3. 2007 3A DI Champ Liberty Hill - 33 points
4. 1999 5A DI Champ Midland Lee - 30 points
5. 2003 4A DII Champ La Marque - 30 points
6. 2005 5A DII Champ Southlake Carroll - 28 points
7. 2005 5A DI Champ Euless Trinity - 28 points
8. 2004 5A DI Champ Tyler Lee - 28 points
9. 2004 5A DII Champ Southlake Carroll - 27 points
10. 2005 2A DII Champ Celina - 27 points
11. 2007 5A DII Champ Katy - 24 points
12. 1994 4A Champ Stephenville - 24 points
13. 2003 3A DI Champ Gainesville - 24 points
14. 1997 3A Champ Sealy - 24 points
15. 1992 3A Champ Southlake Carroll - 24 points
16. 2003 5A DI Champ Galena Park North Shore - 23 points
17. 1998 4A DII Champ Stephenville - 23 points
18. 2006 5A DI Champ Southlake Carroll - 22 points
19. 2006 3A DII Champ Liberty Hill - 22 points
20. 2002 2A DII Champ Rosebud-Lott - 22 points

BobcatBenny
03-15-2008, 06:13 PM
Since defense wins championships would you give equal weight to lowest max point total given up by a team?

In 3A since 1980 for example:

1. 1983 Daingerfield - 6 points (not even given up by the D)
2. 1988 SLC - 13 points (13)
3. 1980 Pittsburg - 14 points (7)
4. 1984 Medina Valley - 14 points (13)
5. 1993 SLC - 15 points (14)

etc. etc.

WOS87
03-15-2008, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by BobcatBenny
Since defense wins championships would you give equal weight to lowest max point total given up by a team?

In 3A since 1980 for example:

1. 1983 Daingerfield - 6 points (not even given up by the D)
2. 1988 SLC - 13 points (13)
3. 1980 Pittsburg - 14 points (7)
4. 1984 Medina Valley - 14 points (13)
5. 1993 SLC - 15 points (14)

etc. etc.

Of course I would... and I have the #1 team on that list as the #1 team in my top 10 and the #2 and #3 teams in the top 10 as well.

coachc45
03-15-2008, 11:39 PM
Not to split hairs but Daingerfield gave up 8 points in 83. 2 on a bad punt snap and 6 on an offensive touchdown to Carthage the 4A semifinalist.

They played 14 3A opponents and shut out all of them.

WOS87
03-15-2008, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by BobcatBenny
Since defense wins championships would you give equal weight to lowest max point total given up by a team?


In fact you gave me an idea, if you combined both your and my stats into one you get the following:

Essentially it's what the score would be if each state champ had had their worst offensive game and worst defensive game of the season simultaneously. In Daingerfield's case that actually happened and they still won.

1. Daingerfield '83... 10-6... +4 margin
2. Sealy '97... 24-21... +3 margin
3. Gainesville '03... 24-24... 0 margin
4. Medina Valley '84... 14-14... 0 margin
5. Southlake Carroll '93... 14-15... -1 margin
6. Pittsburg '80... 13-14... -1 margin
7. Liberty Hill '07... 33-35... -2 margin
8. Sealy '95... 17-20... -3 margin
9. Southlake Carroll '88... 10-13... -3 margin
10. Everman '01... 13-17... -4 margin
11. Commerce '99... 17-21... -4 margin
12. Celina '07... 19-27... -8 margin
13. Wimberley '05... 21-29.. -8 margin
14. Sealy '94... 12-20... -8 margin

All of this debating may not be making me change my mind much about LH but I'm definitely starting to think about Gainesville and Medina Valley a bit more as they are popping up quite frequently

BobcatBenny
03-16-2008, 12:02 AM
Have you tried best offensive and defensive performances on the same night?

I believe 88 SLC actually did both on the same night. :D

WOS87
03-16-2008, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by BobcatBenny
Have you tried best offensive and defensive performances on the same night?

That wouldn't mean much since I imagine the majority of the teams in question had more than one game where they took their starters out for most of a second half to prevent running up the scores.... and most of them would have 0 as their best defensive performance. It would be a list of who played against the weakest competition and/or who had the worst sportsmanship for running up scores

griff
03-16-2008, 11:58 AM
I know that the '83 Daingerfield team was one of those once in a lifetime teams, but what did they achieve in the years since then? I didn't see much of them on the radar after that magical season.

coachc45
03-16-2008, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by griff
I know that the '83 Daingerfield team was one of those once in a lifetime teams, but what did they achieve in the years since then? I didn't see much of them on the radar after that magical season.

Got beat in the 1984 State Title Game by Medina Valley 21-13. Won the 1985 State Title over Cuero 42-22. Lost in the Quarterfinals to Jefferson in 1986. Lost in Playoffs in 1987 (don't remember to who), lost to SLC in 1988 in quarterfinals.

Numerous Playoff runs since then. A State Finals appearance in 1999. Semifinals in 2001 I believe.

Nah, They ain't done much since that ONE magical Season.

WOS87
03-16-2008, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by griff
What did they achieve in the years since then? I didn't see much of them on the radar after that magical season.

And they ended Celina's 68 game winning streak

lostaussie
03-16-2008, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by griff
I know that the '83 Daingerfield team was one of those once in a lifetime teams, but what did they achieve in the years since then? I didn't see much of them on the radar after that magical season. evidently..............you haven't followed much high school football since 83'

griff
03-17-2008, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by coachc45
Got beat in the 1984 State Title Game by Medina Valley 21-13. Won the 1985 State Title over Cuero 42-22. Lost in the Quarterfinals to Jefferson in 1986. Lost in Playoffs in 1987 (don't remember to who), lost to SLC in 1988 in quarterfinals.

Numerous Playoff runs since then. A State Finals appearance in 1999. Semifinals in 2001 I believe.

Nah, They ain't done much since that ONE magical Season.


Originally posted by lostaussie
evidently..............you haven't followed much high school football since 83'

I didn't start following 3A football until this decade. My attention was focused on 4A and 5A football in the 80's because my school played in those classifications at that time. I didn't pay much attention to the smaller classifications back then.

This was an honest question about Daingerfield's history after '83 - not a commentary.

Sheesh...relax coach.

coachc45
03-17-2008, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by griff
I didn't start following 3A football until this decade. My attention was focused on 4A and 5A football in the 80's because my school played in those classifications at that time. I didn't pay much attention to the smaller classifications back then.

This was an honest question about Daingerfield's history after '83 - not a commentary.

Sheesh...relax coach.

Didn't get all blown up, just letting you know. Daingerfield has a storied history in 3A football. Their 3 year run from 83 to 85 was one of the greatest of all time. I am very Proud to be a part of those teams!!!!!!!