This is alarming

[Phil C]

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http://www.yahoo.com/s/778923

[BobcatBenny]

What is alarming about that?

Are you meaning that it is alarming that there is someone with an agenda that wants to scare the U.S. population?

Could it be that the U.S was just so far ahead of the other countries that what the study should really be finding is that the other countries were just way behind? :thinking:

[Sweetwater Red]

I have good health insurance. That's all that matters to me.:thinking: :devil:

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
I have good health insurance. That's all that matters to me.:thinking: :devil: Now thats a Good Republican!

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by BobcatBenny
What is alarming about that?

Are you meaning that it is alarming that there is someone with an agenda that wants to scare the U.S. population?

Could it be that the U.S was just so far ahead of the other countries that what the study should really be finding is that the other countries were just way behind? :thinking: Or how about the fact that we have so many illegals in our country that it makes our numbers look worse. (Typically illegals don't have health insurance) :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Now thats a Good Republican! Let me guess....you want universal health insurance...

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
Let me guess....you want universal health insurance... No!!!! Only upper middle class and wealthy americans should be able to afford health insurance.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
No!!!! Only upper middle class and wealthy americans should be able to afford health insurance. Then show me a universal health care system that works.

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
No!!!! Only upper middle class and wealthy americans should be able to afford health insurance.


I'm neither. I simply have a job.:thinking:

[Black_Magic]

why are you asking that? I just stated I didnt want "Universal "health insurance. Lets keep things like they are. I got my health insurance so you get yours. If a person gets sick they can just go to the emergency room they will get treatment even though they dont have insurance. If it turns out they have cancer and require kemo therapy then thats just tough luck on his part. he can still go in periodicaly to the ER when things get so bad that he is about to die that they will treat the symtoms untill he dies. people die you know. it happens. If you dont have or can afford health insurance tough!

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
Then show me a universal health care system that works.
define "works"

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
define "works" One where all people get the care they need, when they need it, with qualified physicians.

IMO there isn't one. The United States was founded on Capitalism, not socialism. We are slowly becoming more socialist every stinkin' day due to all the government programs. Gone are the days of personal responsibility. They have been replaced by politicians (on both sides of the isle) saying, "Vote for me and I'll take care of you."

I'd better step down off my soap box now.;)

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
One where all people get the care they need, when they need it, with qualified physicians.

IMO there isn't one. The United States was founded on Capitalism, not socialism. We are slowly becoming more socialist every stinkin' day due to all the government programs. Gone are the days of personal responsibility. They have been replaced by politicians (on both sides of the isle) saying, "Vote for me and I'll take care of you."

I'd better step down off my soap box now.;) Yes AMEN!!! Lets go back to the Economic policies of Adam Smith. and Go back to the times of no Government regulations or law of any kind that would hinder business like before during the Industrial Revolution. Like it was before there was such a thing as labor law that discriminated against the poor factory owners who were barely getting by as it was...abolish the IRS. Social Security, Medicare, and the Department of Education( free public education is a socialist Idea).The other 13 industrialized nations of the world are wrong and we ( a few of us that is ) are right.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Yes AMEN!!! Lets go back to the Economic policies of Adam Smith. and Go back to the times of no Government regulations or law of any kind that would hinder business like before during the Industrial Revolution. Like it was before there was such a thing as labor law that discriminated against the poor factory owners who were barely getting by as it was...abolish the IRS. Social Security, Medicare, and the Department of Education( free public education is a socialist Idea).The other 13 industrialized nations of the world are wrong and we ( a few of us that is ) are right. First of all education isn't free. If you own property, you're paying for it one way or another. But let's stick with education for now. How's that working for us? Oh, you mean that we have the worst scores of any industrial nation? But why is that because I thought that free education would be a good thing. Maybe we should just expand free education to include college. I'm sure that would make things better.

Bottom line is this...the US has the best health care in the world. That's why people from all over the world come to the US for treatment. Want to turn that over to the government? Name me one thing that the government regulates in an efficient manner.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
First of all education isn't free. If you own property, you're paying for it one way or another. But let's stick with education for now. How's that working for us? Oh, you mean that we have the worst scores of any industrial nation?
Bottom line is this...the US has the best health care in the world. That's why people from all over the world come to the US for treatment. Want to turn that over to the government? Name me one thing that the government regulates in an efficient manner. 1ST You get a Free education in this nation even if you dont pay property taxes. So Yes that makes it free. Nobody pays for public school when they enroll the kids.
2ND We have the Best healthcare MONEY CAN BUY... thats why the wealthy or people who can afford it come to use it... No I dont want to turn it over to the government. lets keep it in the hands of the rich and powerfull insurance and drug companys. Its good that lobby groups for these people keep buying political candidates so they can keep things the way they are now. Lets not change things. the costs are cheap and the right people get coverage right now anyway as it is.... Lets not worry about stuff like that. we need to be concerned with getting another tax loop hole for a corporation . lets get our priorities back in line. Lets quit hamstringing the larg corporations and millionares with regulations and unfair laws protecting the masses.;)

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
1ST You get a Free education in this nation even if you dont pay property taxes. So Yes that makes it free. Nobody pays for public school when they enroll the kids.
2ND We have the Best healthcare MONEY CAN BUY... thats why the wealthy or people who can afford it come to use it... No I dont want to turn it over to the government. lets keep it in the hands of the rich and powerfull insurance and drug companys. Its good that lobby groups for these people keep buying political candidates so they can keep things the way they are now. Lets not change things. the costs are cheap and the right people get coverage right now anyway as it is.... Lets not worry about stuff like that. we need to be concerned with getting another tax loop hole for a corporation . lets get our priorities back in line. Lets quit hamstringing the larg corporations and millionares with regulations and unfair laws protecting the masses.;) Never once did I say that things didn't need to be changed. I'm am however opposing a "universal" health care system because it doesn't work. In Canada for example people have to wait months for routine heart surgery. No offense, but if I need heart surgery I don't want to wait several months.

It's statement like the ones you made previously that turn people off. I would suggest learning the art of carrying on a discussion without sounding absurd. But then again that's just a suggestion.

[nobogey72]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
Never once did I say that things didn't need to be changed. I'm am however opposing a "universal" health care system because it doesn't work. In Canada for example people have to wait months for routine heart surgery. No offense, but if I need heart surgery I don't want to wait several months.

It's statement like the ones you made previously that turn people off. I would suggest learning the art of carrying on a discussion without sounding absurd. But then again that's just a suggestion.

Just because no other country has had a "plan" that works (in your words) doesn't mean that THIS country can't come up with a plan that does work. I don't care what Canada can or can't make work. I am proud of a country that is concerned about taking care of it's less fortunate. I do however think that we need to do a better job of distinguishing who our less fortunate are as opposed to the ones that merely want a free ride. I guess that my hope is that someone will come along that can make health care affordable without jeapordizing quality of physicians or research and development. Maybe that is impossible, I don't know.:)

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by nobogey72
Just because no other country has had a "plan" that works (in your words) doesn't mean that THIS country can't come up with a plan that does work. I don't care what Canada can or can't make work. I am proud of a country that is concerned about taking care of it's less fortunate. I do however think that we need to do a better job of distinguishing who our less fortunate are as opposed to the ones that merely want a free ride. I guess that my hope is that someone will come along that can make health care affordable without jeapordizing quality of physicians or research and development. Maybe that is impossible, I don't know.:) I'm not opposed at all to trying make our health care better and more affordable. The problem is that every time this debate comes up, the term universal health care comes with it. "Universal" health care hasn't worked in any other country and we've got the best health care in the world. Let's not copy other systems that don't work and destroy the one we have now. Minor tweaks are one thing, but a major overhaul would be a huge mistake.

This problem needs to be handled by those outside the government. Government can't regulate anything efficiently. What makes anyone think that something as vast as health care would be any different?

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by nobogey72
I do however think that we need to do a better job of distinguishing who our less fortunate are as opposed to the ones that merely want a free ride.

Amen brother!!

The price of gas is high enough without giving free rides too!!:p :p

[SNYDER325TIGERS]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
why are you asking that? I just stated I didnt want "Universal "health insurance. Lets keep things like they are. I got my health insurance so you get yours. If a person gets sick they can just go to the emergency room they will get treatment even though they dont have insurance. If it turns out they have cancer and require kemo therapy then thats just tough luck on his part. he can still go in periodicaly to the ER when things get so bad that he is about to die that they will treat the symtoms untill he dies. people die you know. it happens. If you dont have or can afford health insurance tough!


I agree. Everyone has to die one day.