Upon Further Review.....

[BILLYFRED0000]

Celina Category China Spring

46.7 Scoring average 31.3

337.4 Rushing YPG 165.7
127.5 Passing YPG 227.5

464.9 Total offensive YPG 383.2

83.1 Rushing defense 189.1
65.6 Passing defense 101.8

148.7 total YPG given up 290.9

I will let ya'll draw your own conclusions.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Where's Kep when you need him.

[Daddy D 11]

damn yall have been putting up some great numbers, yall have a great program:clap:

[Emerson1]

ased on the recent performance of both teams, MaxPreps predicts on: 12/22/2007
Celina
will beat
China Spring
with a final score of 31 - 21.


Maxpreps sucks so much now. It has good information, but what you want is in a 1x1 inch box surrounded flash ads and videos that autoplay. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Daddy D 11]

yes that makes me mad too, thats why i never go there anymore. i basically go to this website and this website only.

and emerson, how the hell do you post 6000 times in one year? thats crazy:eek:

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
yes that makes me mad too, thats why i never go there anymore. i basically go to this website and this website only.

and emerson, how the hell do you post 6000 times in one year? thats crazy:eek:
It's about to be 2 in February. I have under 10 post per day. Compared to go blue with 34

[WOS87]

Celina's last 3 opponents

Combined W-L of 30-9

Snyder (12-2) - averaged 38 pts per game, allowed 22 (Celina held them to 31 pts less than their average, and scored 11 pts more than they usually allowed)

Glen Rose (10-3) - averaged 25 pts per game, allowed 22 (Celina held them to 4 pts less than their average, and scored 48 pts more than they usually allowed)

Pittsburg (8-4) - averaged 33 pts per game, allowed 26 (Celina held them to 9 pts less than their average and scored 25 pts more than they usually allowed)

Over the last 3 games Celina's opponents have scored 14 pts less than their average for the season and Celina scored 28 pts more than their opponents usually allowed

14+28=42 pt spread against combined record of 30-9

China Spring's last 3 opponents

Combined W-L of 36-3 - all three with better offensive and defensive stats than Celina's opponents

Cuero (12-2) - averaged 44 pts per game, allowed 16 (China Spring held them to 30 pts less than their average and scored 21 pts more than they usually allowed)

La Vega (13-0) - averaged 39 pts per game, allowed 11 (China Spring held them to 11 pts less than their average and scored 20 pts more than they usually allowed)

Kirbyville (11-1) - averaged 38 pts per game, allowed 22 (China Spring held them to 24 pts less than their average and scored 13 pts more than they usually allowed)

Over the last 3 games China Spring's opponents scored 22 pts less than their average for the season and China Spring scored 18 pts more than their opponents usually allowed

22+18 = 40 pt spread against combined record of 36-3

I still think it could be a lot closer than some are expecting.

[Old Tiger]

Celina hasn't played a team in playoffs as good as CS will be.

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by Emerson1
It's about to be 2 in February. I have under 10 post per day. Compared to go blue with 34
hah he is special though. ive been a reader since 04 and got a name in 05. but just stayed in the habit of just reading, im not very outgoing, but im coming out of my shell:devil:

[BILLYFRED0000]

Looks more impressive when you put it this way..

Celina
PF-PA: 702-145
Per Game: 46.8-9.7

China Spring
PF-PA: 467-229
Per Game: 31.1-15.3

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Looks more impressive when you put it this way..

Celina
PF-PA: 702-145
Per Game: 46.8-9.7

China Spring
PF-PA: 467-229
Per Game: 31.1-15.3 Not really considering Celina hasn't really played anybody.

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by Go Blue
Celina hasn't played a team in playoffs as good as CS will be.
and vice versa. but china has been battle tested, either way, Celina wins a eighth title :mad:

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by WOS87
Celina's last 3 opponents

Combined W-L of 30-9

Snyder (12-2) - averaged 38 pts per game, allowed 22 (Celina held them to 31 pts less than their average, and scored 11 pts more than they usually allowed)

Glen Rose (10-3) - averaged 25 pts per game, allowed 22 (Celina held them to 4 pts less than their average, and scored 48 pts more than they usually allowed)

Pittsburg (8-4) - averaged 33 pts per game, allowed 26 (Celina held them to 9 pts less than their average and scored 25 pts more than they usually allowed)

Over the last 3 games Celina's opponents have scored 14 pts less than their average for the season and Celina scored 28 pts more than their opponents usually allowed

14+28=42 pt spread against combined record of 30-9

China Spring's last 3 opponents

Combined W-L of 36-3 - all three with better offensive and defensive stats than Celina's opponents

Cuero (12-2) - averaged 44 pts per game, allowed 16 (China Spring held them to 30 pts less than their average and scored 21 pts more than they usually allowed)

La Vega (13-0) - averaged 39 pts per game, allowed 11 (China Spring held them to 11 pts less than their average and scored 20 pts more than they usually allowed)

Kirbyville (11-1) - averaged 38 pts per game, allowed 22 (China Spring held them to 24 pts less than their average and scored 13 pts more than they usually allowed)

Over the last 3 games China Spring's opponents scored 22 pts less than their average for the season and China Spring scored 18 pts more than their opponents usually allowed

22+18 = 40 pt spread against combined record of 36-3

I still think it could be a lot closer than some are expecting.

That is one way of looking at it. But it does not account for style of play.
All three Celina opponents are straight up running teams. Snyder and Pittsburg could not throw much if they wanted to. Glen Rose could pass a little. So their points totals will be less because of a shorter game. For example, Snyder Celina game was a 2:10 minute game with only 6 possesions per side. Cannot score much like that.

Cuero and La Vega are much more wide open teams with quick strike and long games because of the passing which allows more opportunities.
That is why yardage is a better indicator both defensive and offensive.
Shows actual turf covered in average games.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
That is one way of looking at it. But it does not account for style of play.
All three Celina opponents are straight up running teams. Snyder and Pittsburg could not throw much if they wanted to. Glen Rose could pass a little. So their points totals will be less because of a shorter game. For example, Snyder Celina game was a 2:10 minute game with only 6 possesions per side. Cannot score much like that.

Cuero and La Vega are much more wide open teams with quick strike and long games because of the passing which allows more opportunities.
That is why yardage is a better indicator both defensive and offensive.
Shows actual turf covered in average games. Snyder and Pittsburg don't have a QB like Eskew either. That kid is a stud. Mike Bell is a damn good coach and will have a good game plan for Celina.

[Daddy D 11]

ill second that one goblue. the eskew part that is

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Where's Kep when you need him.

I'm right here. I don't know what you need me for. :thinking:

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by kepdawg
I'm right here. I don't know what you need me for. :thinking:
Just somebody for comedic relief.

[BILLYFRED0000]

See this is what I am talking about when comparing yardage.

337.4 Rushing YPG 165.7
127.5 Passing YPG 227.5

464.9 Total offensive YPG 383.2

83.1 Rushing defense 189.1
65.6 Passing defense 101.8

148.7 total YPG given up 290.9

You take the total offensive yardage and subtract the defensive yardage and you get the total difference between your opponents per game.

Celina
312.2 yard difference YPG
CS
82.1 yard difference YPG

The main thing this shows is scoring opportunities allowed against acheived and length of time for the offensive and defensive units on the field. Or more simply put, the lower the yardage difference the closer you allow your opponent to be and the more opportunities you give him to win the game.

Celina keeps the opposing defenses on the field more than CS and controls time of possession which usually translates into worn out defenses and pulling away as the game wears on.

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Just somebody for comedic relief.

I don't see a need for comedic relief.

[alaskacat]

Originally posted by Go Blue
Snyder and Pittsburg don't have a QB like Eskew either. That kid is a stud. Mike Bell is a damn good coach and will have a good game plan for Celina.

Seems I hear about this guy or that guy..last week it was Clay, and he didn'nt make a difference...this week its Eskew...., two weeks ago it was Wright...and he didnt make a difference

I dont suspect it will make a difference who it is this week either.

They have to have the ball to make a difference.

[WOS87]

China Spring is 1-0 against Celina in playoff games....

When's the last time Celina had to face a team against whom they have a losing record?


Just wondering....

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by WOS87
China Spring is 1-0 against Celina in playoff games....

When's the last time Celina had to face a team against whom they have a losing record?


Just wondering....

Pilot Point last year?

I believe this year's game broke the series tie.

[WOS87]

Originally posted by kepdawg
Pilot Point last year?

I believe this year's game broke the series tie.

Celina leads the series over Pilot Point for the first time ever 24-23-1

1958 Pilot Point 44-22
1959 Pilot Point 28-14
1960 Pilot Point 20-0
1961 Pilot Point 20-7
1962 Pilot Point 22-0
1963 Pilot Point 22-12
1964 Pilot Point 50-0
1965 Pilot Point 53-12
1966 Celina 25-22
1967 Celina 6-0
1968 Pilot Point 6-0
1969 Celina 21-7
1970 Pilot Point 28-14
1971 Tie 0-0
1972 Celina 12-0
1973 Celina 12-0
1974 Celina 28-12
1975 Celina 33-0
1976 Celina 55-11
1977 Celina 21-17
1978 Celina 21-0
1979 Pilot Point 20-0
1980 Pilot Point 30-6
1981 Pilot Point 53-0
1982 Pilot Point 21-0
1983 Pilot Point 53-3
1984 Pilot Point 36-0
1985 Pilot Point 28-14
1986 Pilot Point 14-0
1987 Pilot Point 45-6
1988 Celina 33-7
1989 Celina 20-13
1992 Pilot Point 36-3
1993 Pilot Point 16-7
1994 Celina 21-8
1995 Pilot Point 13-9
1996 Celina 34-7
1997 Celina 27-3
1998 Pilot Point 24-13
1999 Celina 21-7
2000 Celina 13-8
2001 Celina 43-6
2002 Celina 10-0
2003 Celina 17-6
2004 Celina 27-21
2005 Celina 42-0
2006 Celina 51-6
2007 Celina 56-6

[Panther One]

Originally posted by WOS87
Celina's last 3 opponents

Combined W-L of 30-9

Snyder (12-2) - averaged 38 pts per game, allowed 22 (Celina held them to 31 pts less than their average, and scored 11 pts more than they usually allowed)

Glen Rose (10-3) - averaged 25 pts per game, allowed 22 (Celina held them to 4 pts less than their average, and scored 48 pts more than they usually allowed)

Pittsburg (8-4) - averaged 33 pts per game, allowed 26 (Celina held them to 9 pts less than their average and scored 25 pts more than they usually allowed)

Over the last 3 games Celina's opponents have scored 14 pts less than their average for the season and Celina scored 28 pts more than their opponents usually allowed

14+28=42 pt spread against combined record of 30-9

China Spring's last 3 opponents

Combined W-L of 36-3 - all three with better offensive and defensive stats than Celina's opponents

Cuero (12-2) - averaged 44 pts per game, allowed 16 (China Spring held them to 30 pts less than their average and scored 21 pts more than they usually allowed)

La Vega (13-0) - averaged 39 pts per game, allowed 11 (China Spring held them to 11 pts less than their average and scored 20 pts more than they usually allowed)

Kirbyville (11-1) - averaged 38 pts per game, allowed 22 (China Spring held them to 24 pts less than their average and scored 13 pts more than they usually allowed)

Over the last 3 games China Spring's opponents scored 22 pts less than their average for the season and China Spring scored 18 pts more than their opponents usually allowed

22+18 = 40 pt spread against combined record of 36-3

I still think it could be a lot closer than some are expecting.
I did this exact same breakdown last week using Liberty Hill and Gilmer and all of their playoff opponents. I don't have it with me, so I did it again real quick factoring out the state game. Liberty Hill held their playoff opponents 18.35 points below their average and scored 23.48 above their average points against. Gilmer held their opponents to 6.15 below their average and scored 16.55 above those teams average points against. That's a point differential of 41.83 for LH and 22.7 for Gilmer. LH's playoff opponents also have an average Massey Rank of 30.5 (20, 12, 28, 62) and Gilmer's 33.5 (43, 67, 18, 6), so they were playing similar competition.

When you apply LH's playoff averages to Gilmer's season averages, you get the following prediction.
LH 38.4-30.8

When you apply Gilmer's playoff averages to LH's season averages, you get this prediction.
LH 40.4-30.7

Applying the playoff averages to the teams' season averages did a good job of predicting the winner and half of the score. Gilmer's weak regular season schedule is probably to blame for the inaccuracy in their score. Using the playoff point differential was a better predictor of how the game would ultimately turn out.

[Panther One]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
See this is what I am talking about when comparing yardage.

337.4 Rushing YPG 165.7
127.5 Passing YPG 227.5

464.9 Total offensive YPG 383.2

83.1 Rushing defense 189.1
65.6 Passing defense 101.8

148.7 total YPG given up 290.9

You take the total offensive yardage and subtract the defensive yardage and you get the total difference between your opponents per game.

Celina
312.2 yard difference YPG
CS
82.1 yard difference YPG

The main thing this shows is scoring opportunities allowed against acheived and length of time for the offensive and defensive units on the field. Or more simply put, the lower the yardage difference the closer you allow your opponent to be and the more opportunities you give him to win the game.

Celina keeps the opposing defenses on the field more than CS and controls time of possession which usually translates into worn out defenses and pulling away as the game wears on.
You also need to consider Celina's strength of schedule of 26 and China Spring's of 5. It makes a difference. If you'll remember, LH came into this game last year having played the toughest schedule in the state while Celina was right around where they were this year. Most Celina fans didn't think we had a good enough defense to win, based on stats and scores. Most failed to account for strength of schedule, though, and as it turned out, it was our defense that won the game, withstanding three fumbles and a Celina-recovered onside kick to give our offense a chance to win the game.

I'm not saying the same thing will happen this year, but you have to look at the big picture when making your comparisons. If you're playing weaker teams, it stands to reason that you'll have better stats.