Best 3A Program Without a Championship?

[kepdawg]

Only talking football!

What is the best 3A program that has never won a state championship?

Definitions:

"Best" - entirety of a program's existence, not one year wonders that fell short

"3A" - team currently in 3A

"Never won a state championship" - never won a state championship in any classification, thus WOS, Celina, etc... are excluded

[WOS87]

Well.... from what I just posted, the top 3A programs never to win a title would be:

1. Hondo
2. Sinton
3. Jasper
4. Bellville
5. Port Isabel
6. Carthage
7. Ingleside
8. Navasota
9. Andrews
10. Waco La Vega

[Runnin Panther]

Port Isabel has had a strong program for over 20 yrs.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by WOS87
Well.... from what I just posted, the top 3A programs never to win a title would be:

1. Hondo
2. Sinton
3. Jasper
4. Bellville
5. Port Isabel
6. Carthage
7. Ingleside
8. Navasota
9. Andrews
10. Waco La Vega


:( I was gonna say us. :weeping: :weeping:

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by WOS87
Well.... from what I just posted, the top 3A programs never to win a title would be:

1. Hondo
2. Sinton
3. Jasper
4. Bellville
5. Port Isabel
6. Carthage
7. Ingleside
8. Navasota
9. Andrews
10. Waco La Vega

:clap:

I was going to post this last night, but didn't get around to it. When I saw your list I figured that would be a good place to look for an answer!

[Texasfootball2]

Has Decatur or Royce City ever won a state championship? If not they should be on this list:thinking: Graham may also deserve some consideration.

[trojan37]

What about Bellville? Good program, playoff contender year in and year out and no state title.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by trojan37
What about Bellville? Good program, playoff contender year in and year out and no state title. They are on the list posted above in WOS87's top 10

[Old Tiger]

Jasper has put up some beastly teams in the past as well as Bellville.

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Texasfootball2
Has Decatur or Royce City ever won a state championship? If not they should be on this list:thinking: Graham may also deserve some consideration.

Royse City has advanced to the State Semifinals one time and the Quarterfinals three times in the history of the program.

Graham has made it to the Semifinals once, and the Quarterfinals twice.

Decatur's played in 2 semifinals and 4 quarterfinals

I have Hondo #1 because they have more wins all-time than any other current 3A school (well over 600), they've got more playoff appearances than any other 3A school currently (45), they've played in one state championship game, 3 semifinal games and 10 quarterfinal games.

[Texasfootball2]

Originally posted by WOS87
Royse City has advanced to the State Semifinals one time and the Quarterfinals three times in the history of the program.

Graham has made it to the Semifinals once, and the Quarterfinals twice.

Decatur's played in 2 semifinals and 4 quarterfinals

I have Hondo #1 because they have more wins all-time than any other current 3A school (well over 600), they've got more playoff appearances than any other 3A school currently (45), they've played in one state championship game, 3 semifinal games and 10 quarterfinal games.

Works for me:thumbsup:

[NastySlot]

Originally posted by Texasfootball2
Has Decatur or Royce City ever won a state championship? If not they should be on this list:thinking: Graham may also deserve some consideration.


Royse City hasn't been good for that long a period....I grew up in the area and they used to be terrible.

[Rabbit'93]

Forney .... 2nd best team in the state when we were 3a:p ;)

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by Rabbit'93
Forney .... 2nd best team in the state when we were 3a:p ;)

Too bad they do count! :p

[Who-dun-it!!?]

I like Midland Greenwood, but they might be the one year wonder catigory?

[iknoweverything]

Originally posted by Runnin Panther
Port Isabel has had a strong program for over 20 yrs.

You cant be serious??????

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by iknoweverything
You cant be serious??????

no, she is serious:) PI is good

[iknoweverything]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
no, she is serious:) PI is good

Wow that is funny. No valley team can be named during this thread. Not one of them is good enough to win a championship.

[Daddy D 11]

hints why the thread is best team without a championship

[Daddy D 11]

and using WOS87's very accurate stats, port isabel has the fifth most wins without a title. so that might make them up there?:thinking:

[iknoweverything]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
and using WOS87's very accurate stats, port isabel has the fifth most wins without a title. so that might make them up there?:thinking:

Yeah they win a lot because of who they play. Them along with every other 3a valley team cannont compete with even the bottom teams of region 3. Rio Hondo got beat by Palacios hahah. That says enough.

[Daddy D 11]

thats true. but rio hondo isnt mentioned in the top ten teams without a title, neither is palacios. and it wasnt a regional comparison either, it was most succesfull without a title.

[iknoweverything]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
thats true. but rio hondo isnt mentioned in the top ten teams without a title, neither is palacios. and it wasnt a regional comparison either, it was most succesfull without a title.

Your right, but i still dont think that PI has nowhere near the program that say sinton, hondo, and a lot of hte other teams listed. I honestly have no respect for the talent of valley teams. Has PI ever played for a state championship??

[Daddy D 11]

i dont think they have, could be wrong though. and yes, they generally dont compete as well. and i respect anyteam, only because its not their fault that they are located where they are. so they are still successfull, and credit should be given there. they beat liberty hill in 2003, so they have been pretty strong.

and they have not had the success of hondo obviously, because hondo is numero uno. and i just dont know that much about sintons history..

[eagles_victory]

Originally posted by WOS87
Well.... from what I just posted, the top 3A programs never to win a title would be:

1. Hondo
2. Sinton
3. Jasper
4. Bellville
5. Port Isabel
6. Carthage
7. Ingleside
8. Navasota
9. Andrews
10. Waco La Vega You have to consider the top two teams have been playing in the minor leagues

[NastySlot]

Originally posted by iknoweverything
Your right, but i still dont think that PI has nowhere near the program that say sinton, hondo, and a lot of hte other teams listed. I honestly have no respect for the talent of valley teams. Has PI ever played for a state championship??


you're a dip............those kids in the valley year in and year work their buts off to play....they for the most part know what most to the state thinks of them yet they strap up every year and will play hard.......have you ever seen a valley team play...it's so easy to sit back and rip them...cause for one they don't have the true natural athletes that the other regions are blessed to have...i will tell you this about valley teams...they play hard and i'll even go on the record to say they have some of the best fans in the state...no matter what the sport or the distance they have to travel...they will be there and be very passionate about their teams....and excuse them for believing that they might just win against a much more dominant opponent...they sure the heck don't jump on bandwagons only when their winning in the valley.......if these kids did nothing down there you would probably come on here tell that the kids in the valley were lazy and gutless not to play.

edited for content ~ p4s

[Daddy D 11]

agreed nasty

[NastySlot]

sorry p4s..i will watch what i type...just get little ticked when people start bashing kids...and i feel that's what that poster was doing....thanks for keeping me honest.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by NastySlot
sorry p4s..i will watch what i type...just get little ticked when people start bashing kids...and i feel that's what that poster was doing....thanks for keeping me honest.

it happens. :D get it? haha

anyway as for "iknoweverything" well you know what they say about opinions :rolleyes:

Port Isabel, whether he respects them or not, is a constant in HS football come playoff time. It's a fact.

[Old Tiger]

valley teams don't play defense.

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by pirate4state


Port Isabel, whether he respects them or not, is a constant in HS football come playoff time. It's a fact.
i was trying to prove that to him:dispntd:

[Maroon87]

Originally posted by iknoweverything
Your right, but i still dont think that PI has nowhere near the program that say sinton, hondo, and a lot of hte other teams listed. I honestly have no respect for the talent of valley teams. Has PI ever played for a state championship??

Given your screen name, I can't say I'm too surprised you actually posted that crap.

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by Maroon87
Given your screen name, I can't say I'm too surprised you actually posted that crap.

wait, i thought he did know everything:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[NastySlot]

Originally posted by Go Blue
valley teams don't play defense.


they just tend to be slower..but they play...cause they will hit you.

[Old Tiger]

valley teams put up great offensive numbers but not so much on the other side of the ball.

[Daddy D 11]

hondo was impressive last year on both sides. granted they did wear down on defense in the second half, but after all we are LH :devil:

[NastySlot]

Originally posted by Go Blue
valley teams put up great offensive numbers but not so much on the other side of the ball.

that is true but look at the offense's they tend to run....most for the longest time were wing-t or slot...........and one of the first spread type teams in the state was Mission. with coach detmer.

[sinton66]

Originally posted by iknoweverything
Your right, but i still dont think that PI has nowhere near the program that say sinton, hondo, and a lot of hte other teams listed. I honestly have no respect for the talent of valley teams. Has PI ever played for a state championship??

FYI, Port Isabel has beaten teams like Sinton and Cuero in the playoffs before.

[iknoweverything]

Originally posted by sinton66
FYI, Port Isabel has beaten teams like Sinton and Cuero in the playoffs before.

Even the sun shines on a dog's [ ] every once in a while.


Chill out guys, i didnt mean i odnt have respect for the kids who play. I meant it as in i dont belive they can compete with a team that is even half way decent. I should have re worded it differnt and im sorry. No ive never seen a valley team play hahaha. Are you serious?

[sinton66]

Originally posted by iknoweverything
Even the sun shines on a dog's [ ] every once in a while.


Chill out guys, i didnt mean i odnt have respect for the kids who play. I meant it as in i dont belive they can compete with a team that is even half way decent. I should have re worded it differnt and im sorry. No ive never seen a valley team play hahaha. Are you serious?

Do you believe that Donna won a state championship in 1960?

[iknoweverything]

Originally posted by sinton66
Do you believe that Donna won a state championship in 1960?


1960? come on, that doesnt even count

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by iknoweverything
1960? come on, that doesnt even count

I don't think championships come with an expiration date!

[iknoweverything]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kepdawg
I don't think championships come with an expiration date! [/QUOTE

When did schools integrate?

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by iknoweverything
[QUOTE]Originally posted by kepdawg
I don't think championships come with an expiration date! [/QUOTE

When did schools integrate?

Nevermind. I know not to talk to you anymore.

[iknoweverything]

It was a serious question.

[WOS87]

A little educational material on Port Isabel.... :nerd:

In the past 15 years Port Isabel has knocked Liberty Hill, Hondo and Cuero out of the playoffs


http://members.aol.com/cboehme/playoffs/portisabel1.gif
http://members.aol.com/cboehme/playoffs/portisabel2.gif

The teams who have been the #1 seed from their district in the playoffs in the 3rd largest classification the most times since 1951 is as follows:

22 times
Cameron Yoe

21 times
Hondo
Childress

20 times
Newton
Crockett

19 times
Port Isabel
Littlefield
Denver City


Most Playoff Appearances in the 3rd Largest Classification Playoffs (1951-2007)
(# of appearances/school/1st year to qualify)

1. 31 - Hondo (1959)
2. 31 - Cameron Yoe (1951)
3. 30 - Port Isabel (1974)
4. 27 - Childress (1951)
5. 27 - Crockett (1956)
6. 26 - Newton (1972)
7. 26 - Denver City (1959)
8. 24 - Daingerfield (1959)
9. 24 - Littlefield (1951)
10. 24 - Perryton (1956)

They qualified for the playoffs 20 times in 21 seasons between 1978 and 1998

Most Consecutive Appearances in the 3rd Largest Classification Playoffs (1951-2007)

15 seasons in a row
Commerce (1991-2005)

14 seasons in a row
Abilene Wylie (1994-2007)

11 seasons in a row
Port Isabel (1978-1988)
Gladewater (1982-1992)
Vernon (1988-1998)
La Vernia (1997-2007)
Perryton (1997-2007)

10 seasons in a row
Pittsburg (1978-1987)
Crockett (1981-1990)
Newton (1994-2003)
Liberty (1995-2004)
China Spring (1998-2007)

9 seasons in a row
Center (1988-1996)
Columbus (1990-1998)
Alpine (1990-1998)
Port Isabel (1990-1998)


Most Playoff Wins in the 3rd Largest Classification (1951-2007)

1. 54 - Daingerfield
2. 50 - Cuero
3. 48 - Childress
4. 41 - Sweeny
5. 39 - Vernon
6. 38 - Sealy
7. 38 - Port Isabel
8. 38 - Cameron Yoe
9. 35 - Newton
10. 34 - Stamford

Most Playoff Games played in the 3rd Largest Classification Playoffs (1951-2006)

1. 77 - Daingerfield
2. 74 - Childress
3. 69 - Cuero
4. 69 - Cameron Yoe
5. 69 - Port Isabel
6. 63 - Sweeny
7. 60 - Newton
8. 59 - Sinton
9. 59 - Hondo
10. 57 - Vernon


Most Consecutive UIL District Wins All-Time All-Classifications
(does not include Zone playoffs)

71 - Austin Westlake 1990-02
58 - White Oak 1941-48
55 - Corpus Christi Calallen 1994-02
55 - Converse Judson 1985-94
54 - Houston Yates 1986-94
51 - Huntsville 1977-86
50 - Houston Yates 1977-86
50 - Waxahachie 1990-98
48 - Refugio 1993-01
48 - Daingerfield 1983-89
47 - Plano 1969-76
46 - El Paso Riverside 1999-present
46 - Port Isabel 1977-83

[formermbcouns]

Marlin...when they were 3A.

[runthequarter]

Childress but they are 2A now. Sinton is by far the best or the rest.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

It took Everman to rebound from being down 14-0 to keep Sinton from winning a state title:mad: :mad: :mad: .

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by SintonFan_inAustin
It took Everman to rebound from being down 14-0 to keep Sinton from winning a state title:mad: :mad: :mad: .
The state championship was decided a few weeks earlier. They were just letting you have some fun

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Originally posted by Emerson1
The state championship was decided a few weeks earlier. They were just letting you have some fun Forney gave them a good game, didnt they fumble like a zillion times in that game ;) .

[WOS87]

Smithson Valley and Burnet are tied in the frustration category having both played in 3 State Championship games, losing in all 3.

Elysian Fields will join the club if they lose this weekend as it is their 3rd Championship appearance and they lost the first two.

Brady has also played in 3 State Title matches and lost all 3 on the field but won the 1959 title by forfeit due to recruiting violations by Stamford.

[runthequarter]

Calallen is probably worse. 1 title game but many semi-final losses.

[Daddy D 11]

LH is 2 for 2 :cheerl:

[sinton66]

Sinton has 25 playoff appearances since 1951. How did we get left off the list?:D

[WOS87]

Originally posted by sinton66
Sinton has 25 playoff appearances since 1951. How did we get left off the list?:D

Because the list above is of playoff appearances in the 3rd largest classification only and Sinton only has 23 appearances in the 3rd classification since 1951. Sinton was 4A for a brief period in the early 80's and made the playoffs twice while in 4A.

Most Playoff Appearances in the 3rd Largest Classification Playoffs (1951-2007)
(# of appearances/school/1st year to qualify)

1. 31 - Hondo (1959)
2. 31 - Cameron Yoe (1951)
3. 30 - Port Isabel (1974)
4. 27 - Childress (1951)
5. 27 - Crockett (1956)
6. 26 - Newton (1972)
7. 26 - Denver City (1959)
8. 24 - Daingerfield (1959)
9. 24 - Littlefield (1951)
10. 24 - Perryton (1956)
11. 23 - Sinton (1955)
12. 23 - Columbus (1959)
13. 22 - Ballinger (1953)
14. 22 - Decatur (1964)
15. 21 - Alpine (1961)

This table only goes up through 2005. Sinton has now had 29 total playoff appearances since they qualified in 2006 as well.

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/private/sinton1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/cboehme/private/sinton2.jpg

[Maroon87]

Originally posted by runthequarter
Calallen is probably worse. 1 title game but many semi-final losses.

7 to be exact...5 of them to La Marque and all of them but one were decided in the final minutes.:(

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Maroon87
7 to be exact...5 of them to La Marque and all of them but one were decided in the final minutes.:(

Region IV-4A has had the worst luck in semifinal games. Gregory-Portland, Calallen, Alice and New Braunfels have won a combined 27 Region IV championships over the years. 23 of the 27 lost their semifinal game and the remaining 4 teams all lost in the finals. One of them is bound to break through eventually though, I'm convinced.

[iknoweverything]

Originally posted by Maroon87
7 to be exact...5 of them to La Marque and all of them but one were decided in the final minutes.:(

Cause they are in region 4 and dont play anyone.

[charlesrixey]

Originally posted by WOS87
Region IV-4A has had the worst luck in semifinal games. Gregory-Portland, Calallen, Alice and New Braunfels have won a combined 27 Region IV championships over the years. 23 of the 27 lost their semifinal game and the remaining 4 teams all lost in the finals. One of them is bound to break through eventually though, I'm convinced.

that is partially your fault, WOS!

if teams like WOS, La Marque, Bay City, et al. hadn't kept barely squeezing by (not so barely some years) then maybe R-IV would've had a chance!

;)

i was going to say Denison was also 0-3, but before their 3 losses to LaMarque in the 90's they had won a title over Tomball in 1984

[sinton66]

Originally posted by WOS87
Because the list above is of playoff appearances in the 3rd largest classification only and Sinton only has 23 appearances in the 3rd classification since 1951. Sinton was 4A for a brief period in the early 80's and made the playoffs twice while in 4A.

Most Playoff Appearances in the 3rd Largest Classification Playoffs (1951-2007)
(# of appearances/school/1st year to qualify)

1. 31 - Hondo (1959)
2. 31 - Cameron Yoe (1951)
3. 30 - Port Isabel (1974)
4. 27 - Childress (1951)
5. 27 - Crockett (1956)
6. 26 - Newton (1972)
7. 26 - Denver City (1959)
8. 24 - Daingerfield (1959)
9. 24 - Littlefield (1951)
10. 24 - Perryton (1956)
11. 23 - Sinton (1955)
12. 23 - Columbus (1959)
13. 22 - Ballinger (1953)
14. 22 - Decatur (1964)
15. 21 - Alpine (1961)

This table only goes up through 2005. Sinton has now had 29 total playoff appearances since they qualified in 2006 as well.

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/private/sinton1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/cboehme/private/sinton2.jpg

Ah, okay, was just wondering.

[NastySlot]

Originally posted by iknoweverything
It was a serious question.


integration varied throughout the state...and for the most part the schools in the southern part of the state were a little faster....now back to the post about who have they played or something like that(about region IV teams) it's not like Region III has produced a bunch of world beaters....look at the history and and only a handful of teams have dominated that region ie: LaMarque....Katy...and every once a while a Northshore or Westfield............New Braunfels in 80s made three semi-final games in a row I believe and lost to Willowridge twice and Bay City.......those were all very talented teams.............so i was just wondering....do you think that if there hadn't been any integration would region III still be as good as you think it is?

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by charlesrixey

i was going to say Denison was also 0-3, but before their 3 losses to LaMarque in the 90's they had won a title over Tomball in 1984

Yeah, don't forget 1984! :D

[Pudlugger]

Originally posted by Rabbit'93
Forney .... 2nd best team in the state when we were 3a:p ;)

Thanks to the Leps! :bigcry:

La Grange frustrated the Jack Rabbits once in football (2000) and twice in baseball (2001, 2004). All three match ups were classics too.

[GreenMonster]

Originally posted by WOS87
Well.... from what I just posted, the top 3A programs never to win a title would be:

1. Hondo
2. Sinton
3. Jasper
4. Bellville
5. Port Isabel
6. Carthage
7. Ingleside
8. Navasota
9. Andrews
10. Waco La Vega

HaHa! That's great work 87. I'm bettin the Snyder fans are gettin mighty steamed up right about now! :devil:

[iknoweverything]

Originally posted by NastySlot
integration varied throughout the state...and for the most part the schools in the southern part of the state were a little faster....now back to the post about who have they played or something like that(about region IV teams) it's not like Region III has produced a bunch of world beaters....look at the history and and only a handful of teams have dominated that region ie: LaMarque....Katy...and every once a while a Northshore or Westfield............New Braunfels in 80s made three semi-final games in a row I believe and lost to Willowridge twice and Bay City.......those were all very talented teams.............so i was just wondering....do you think that if there hadn't been any integration would region III still be as good as you think it is?

Its hard to say because the game would be so different but yes i do belive that region 3 would be somewhat weaker than it is now. But it would affect all of regions not only region 3. Reg 3 would be the hardest hit but man reg IV teams would be too.

[NastySlot]

Originally posted by iknoweverything
Its hard to say because the game would be so different but yes i do belive that region 3 would be somewhat weaker than it is now. But it would affect all of regions not only region 3. Reg 3 would be the hardest hit but man reg IV teams would be too.


so were talking about intergration of the uil....cause there were quite a few schools in south texas that were always intergrated.......true all the regions would be hit...but region III in all classes would feel it hard..........thank God things are as they are now.................just wondering so do you think titles are tainted pre-intergration...not trying to stir the pot...just wondering.

[WOS87]

Originally posted by GreenMonster
HaHa! That's great work 87. I'm bettin the Snyder fans are gettin mighty steamed up right about now! :devil:

Don't get me wrong, I'm a very big fan of Snyder and I think they have a great program currently.... but the fact of the matter is, if you look at the entire history, Snyder overall is a sub-0.500 program, mostly because of the lean years they had from the 1930's through the 1980's. Between 1932 and 1989 Snyder won a total of 1 playoff game. So if we're talking about programs that have been around as long as Snyder... quite a few have come a lot closer to winning a championship than they have.

[Maroon87]

Originally posted by iknoweverything
Cause they are in region 4 and dont play anyone.


Save it, dude. It's played.:rolleyes:

[Maroon87]

Originally posted by NastySlot
New Braunfels in 80s made three semi-final games in a row I believe and lost to Willowridge twice and Bay City

I think one of those losses was to Tomball, who lost to Sweetwater in the finals the following week.

[trojan37]

I think what really speaks for a team is when they consecutively went to the playoffs back in the day when only the district champ went. I remember in the mid-late 70's back when we were in 2A. West was 9-0 along with McGregor going into the last game of the season. McGregor was ranked in the top 10 in 2A, and West wasn't even ranked. We ended up throttling McGregor that night, and they sat at home with a 9-1 record. These 4-6 and 3-7 teams going to the playoffs don't say jack to me.

[sinton66]

For the purpose of this thread, everybody has the exact SAME chances of making the playoffs for the most part. So, perrennial playoff teams would get counted toward the top anyway.

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Maroon87
I think one of those losses was to Tomball, who lost to Sweetwater in the finals the following week.

One of the losses was to WO-S the following year (1986)

[WOS87]

Originally posted by trojan37
I think what really speaks for a team is when they consecutively went to the playoffs back in the day when only the district champ went. I remember in the mid-late 70's back when we were in 2A. West was 9-0 along with McGregor going into the last game of the season. McGregor was ranked in the top 10 in 2A, and West wasn't even ranked. We ended up throttling McGregor that night, and they sat at home with a 9-1 record. These 4-6 and 3-7 teams going to the playoffs don't say jack to me.

People tend to forget about how things were prior to 1982. Gregory-Portland qualifying for the playoffs 12 consecutive years from 1969-1980 is a feat that still wouldn't be beat if only 1 team per district still qualified. Lots of teams have made the playoffs more than 12 consecutive years now, but none of them have done it as outright district champ each and every year.

[j_dog]

Originally posted by kepdawg
Yeah, don't forget 1984! :D
Yes, another of those "should have been Jasper's year". Jasper was leading Tomball 22-21 with about two minutes to go in the game, and then lost 27-35. :mad: That was truly one of the Jasper "world class speed" teams. That Spring, Jasper won state in track with room to spare.

[sinfan75]

Originally posted by WOS87
People tend to forget about how things were prior to 1982. Gregory-Portland qualifying for the playoffs 12 consecutive years from 1969-1980 is a feat that still wouldn't be beat if only 1 team per district still qualified. Lots of teams have made the playoffs more than 12 consecutive years now, but none of them have done it as outright district champ each and every year. yeah the 69 G-P team goes up against Sinton for the district title, its 15-14 G-P with Sinton on the 3 yard line with just over a minute to and its 4th down and goal. Instead of Sinton goin for the easy field goal in the middle of the field(and sinton had a really good kicker) they go for the td, and pass at that. Sinton lost their star quarterback to injury earlier in the year. story short G-P intercepts in the endzone wins district and begins their 12 year run of district titles. oh G-P's QB that year was a soph named Marty Akins who went on and helped Texas win a few SWC titles.

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by j_dog
Yes, another of those "should have been Jasper's year". Jasper was leading Tomball 22-21 with about two minutes to go in the game, and then lost 27-35. :mad: That was truly one of the Jasper "world class speed" teams. That Spring, Jasper won state in track with room to spare.

I moved to Jasper in the middle of the 1984 season!

[bobcat1]

We don't have a 3a championship yet. Check back with me tomorrow night on this. Subject to change...............:D

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by bobcat1
We don't have a 3a championship yet. Check back with me tomorrow night on this. Subject to change...............:D

Dadgummit! I DQ'ed you guys in the first post! :D

[texansfan]

I'm from the Valley. I'm not one of those 'Rah-rah, Valley teams are great blah blah' guys. But seriously, you don't know everything, Iknoweverything. Port Isabel is a winner. End of story. Playoffs year in and year out, and they've beaten the teams mentioned here earlier. Some of the state's best athletes and coaches come from PI. They're the best shot the Valley has every season, it seems.

As for you assumption that Valley teams don't play D, you're probably right, but only because they don't face the quality of athletes that are found in upstate teams. It's getting better in the Valley. Rio Hondo is an up-and-comer, and they're far from being mentioned with PI. But they're getting better.

Keep in mind, it's been a while since ANY team in South Texas has won a state championship in football. Has anyone in South Texas won one since Refugio?

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by kepdawg
Dadgummit! I DQ'ed you guys in the first post! :D

I know, but someone had to do it. :p

[iknoweverything]

Originally posted by NastySlot
so were talking about intergration of the uil....cause there were quite a few schools in south texas that were always intergrated.......true all the regions would be hit...but region III in all classes would feel it hard..........thank God things are as they are now.................just wondering so do you think titles are tainted pre-intergration...not trying to stir the pot...just wondering.

I wouldnt say they are tainted. Im not sure the word to describe them. They are def a seperate category from the titles that are won now.

[iknoweverything]

Originally posted by texansfan
I'm from the Valley. I'm not one of those 'Rah-rah, Valley teams are great blah blah' guys. But seriously, you don't know everything, Iknoweverything. Port Isabel is a winner. End of story. Playoffs year in and year out, and they've beaten the teams mentioned here earlier. Some of the state's best athletes and coaches come from PI. They're the best shot the Valley has every season, it seems.

As for you assumption that Valley teams don't play D, you're probably right, but only because they don't face the quality of athletes that are found in upstate teams. It's getting better in the Valley. Rio Hondo is an up-and-comer, and they're far from being mentioned with PI. But they're getting better.

Keep in mind, it's been a while since ANY team in South Texas has won a state championship in football. Has anyone in South Texas won one since Refugio?

Please name said althletes and coaches. Yeah of course they win playoff games when they play other valley teams. Sure they have beaten some good teams a few times, its going to happen. Overall the valley is WEAK. VERY WEAK and I dont see how you can argue against that.

[mustang04]

WOS.....can you see how many times sweetwater has been in the playoffs??? cuz we we are 3a now obviously but us, snyder, andrews, etc. were 4a for the longest time...i'm just curious to see how we did

[FrmSTx]

Originally posted by iknoweverything
Yeah they win a lot because of who they play. Them along with every other 3a valley team cannont compete with even the bottom teams of region 3. Rio Hondo got beat by Palacios hahah. That says enough.

PALCIOS HAS A TITLE

[j_dog]

Originally posted by iknoweverything
I wouldnt say they are tainted. Im not sure the word to describe them. They are def a seperate category from the titles that are won now.
Well, in that separate category, the Jasper Rowe Tigers won a state championship in 1967, so in reality, "Jasper" perhaps should not be on this "list" of never having won a state championship in football. That would help un-taint the list somewhat. :)

[OldBison75]

I have no idea who or where "iknoweverything" is, but I know what he has been smoking. I have seen numerous games involving valley teams since the early 1980's and they play solid football. Championships seem to run in cycles and the vally will have it's days. My bet is "iknoweverything" don't know nothing except what he has been told about the valley football teams. Hope his team does not have to face the PI's or other Region 4
top teams next year. Year old re-heated crow sucks.

[SNYDER325TIGERS]

Snyder is

[WOS87]

Originally posted by mustang04
WOS.....can you see how many times sweetwater has been in the playoffs??? cuz we we are 3a now obviously but us, snyder, andrews, etc. were 4a for the longest time...i'm just curious to see how we did

I put this together last year.... so Sweetwater currently has 29 appearances

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/playoffs/sweetwater1.gif
http://members.aol.com/cboehme/playoffs/sweetwater2.gif

[iknoweverything]

Originally posted by OldBison75
I have no idea who or where "iknoweverything" is, but I know what he has been smoking. I have seen numerous games involving valley teams since the early 1980's and they play solid football. Championships seem to run in cycles and the vally will have it's days. My bet is "iknoweverything" don't know nothing except what he has been told about the valley football teams. Hope his team does not have to face the PI's or other Region 4
top teams next year. Year old re-heated crow sucks.

I know reg IV better than any other region sir. Nice try though.

[footballgal]

Whoa! I missed all this? :D


Go Tarpons!

See ya next year, well be trying it again, with better luck next season and with some pretty good talent coming up.

Can't wait for '08!