Dynasties

[WOS87]

I've updated the "dynasties" chart I put together last year and there have been quite a few changes. Thought I'd post it over here for the benefit of the Celina fans. Every team on the list made the playoffs this year, and all but one of them won at least 11 games headed by Celina and Highland Park with 15 wins each and one more game to play, Plano and Refugio with 13 wins, Permian with 12 wins, Converse Judson with 11 and one to go, and Southlake Carroll with 11 wins. This explains the enormous number of new records that were set (over 70% of the total).

Dynasties

I have the new numbers of the records for wins over consecutive seasons updated with 2007 numbers added in up through Week 15. 62 new records have been set so far in 2007 including 5 by Southlake Carroll, 8 by Plano, 9 by Refugio, 17 by Celina and 23 by Highland Park. Celina's and HP's new records are listed in green as they still have one game remaining to play at the time of compiling this and those numbers could possibly increase by another win. As Highland Park currently holds the record for most All-Time wins in Texas with 699, there's no point in going back further than 85 seasons.

The following are the #1 ranked "dynasties" for each possible window of time ranging from 3 seasons to 85 seasons over the entire history of high school football in Texas using total wins as the ranking criteria. I'm putting together another using winning percentage, which will bring in some of the older era programs that didn't have the ability to play 16 games in a season to pad their win totals.

You have to realize how many datapoints were compiled and compared here to see the significance of the teams and time windows listed. Each of the listed "dynasties" below is #1 out of tens of thousands that it was compared against.

http://idisk.mac.com/cboehme69-Public/scores/dynasties.gif

[charlesrixey]

:D

Celina's average record since 1965 is 10-2!


side note for WOS:


celina only shows that their football program started in the late 50's, but i have seen some of your records that have them with more than 200 losses? (obviously not this thread) just curious where you got your all-time W/L, WOS?

the bobcats website shows a significantly different win percentage (near 80%) than yours (which i believe was closer to 70%)

[3afan]

Originally posted by charlesrixey

the bobcats website shows a significantly different win percentage (near 80%) than yours (which i believe was closer to 70%)

imagine that! someone "forgot" some games or seasons :D

[sinton66]

Collier-Sharp has a pretty extensive history section although I know of a couple recorded Sinton results that are incorrect. I emailed them once and they said they got that info from the coaching staffs. I guess even your own staff can "remember" stuff wrong.

http://www.collier-sharp.com/

[Phil C]

Originally posted by sinton66
Collier-Sharp has a pretty extensive history section although I know of a couple recorded Sinton results that are incorrect. I emailed them once and they said they got that info from the coaching staffs. I guess even your own staff can "remember" stuff wrong.

http://www.collier-sharp.com/

I know what you mean sinton66. I once read the Freer (where I went to high school) paper and they had a list of their district championships and co-championships. One year they omitted was 1965 when we were co-champions with Hebbronville. We didn't get to the playoffs though because only one team could advance at that time. We lost to Hebbronville that year 20-14 for our only district loss and by that reason they advanced to the playoffs. However Hebbronville lost in a big upset to Benavidas 12 to 8 and this gave us a tie. Benavides had a 0 - 0 tie with San Diego which prevented a 3 way tie for district. I wrote the paper pointing it out and they said that the coach was going to look into it but of course as you would expect nothing came of it and they still didn't list it or give that team credit. But we did tie for the district championship that year even though we didn't advance to the playoffs.. I know. I was a student there at that time.

[charlesrixey]

Originally posted by sinton66
Collier-Sharp has a pretty extensive history section although I know of a couple recorded Sinton results that are incorrect. I emailed them once and they said they got that info from the coaching staffs. I guess even your own staff can "remember" stuff wrong.

http://www.collier-sharp.com/

thanks very much for that link, Sinton66!

i had no idea Collier-sharp was back up!

[Phil C]

One of the greatest dynasties ever was women's college soccer in division 1. In soccer it is tough to keep repeating because of the passion and if your goalie has a great game you have a chance to win. Through this obsticle North Carolina completely dominated this sport from it's first year in 1982 to 2000.
During that time they were National Champions 16 of the 19 times. This was done on the field of play with a real playoff system and no BCS nonsense.

Due to more athletes being available and with high schools having better coaches there are more facilities available now and other colleges can compete more in this sport. However from 2001 to 2007 North Carolina has still won 2 of the 7 years so NC
still gets good players and competes well even though they don't have no sure thing of getting it every year like in the past.

In the past seven years it seems to be basically co-dynasties between North Carolina and Pacific Coast Schools and Notre Dame.

The other schools such as Florida schools, Texas and Texas A&M are closing the gap but they are still not there yet.

[charlesrixey]

ttt

[kepdawg]

Celina numbers from 1958 would be right at 75%.

[DUKE22]

Originally posted by charlesrixey
:D

Celina's average record since 1965 is 10-2!


side note for WOS:


celina only shows that their football program started in the late 50's, but i have seen some of your records that have them with more than 200 losses? (obviously not this thread) just curious where you got your all-time W/L, WOS?

the bobcats website shows a significantly different win percentage (near 80%) than yours (which i believe was closer to 70%) Very impressive, those are exactly the schools i would think of if I heard the word dynasty.

[WOS87]

I worked with the staff at Celina helping to research the history. When G.A. Moore left he apparently cleaned out the offices and took any old records with him. Celina has fielded an 11-man football team as far back as 1920. In the 5 year window from 1953 to 1957 they competed in 6-man. I don't think the current staff at Celina was aware that they had an 11-man football program prior to 1958 until I pointed it out to them last year. Here are the numbers that were officially reported to the UIL from the early years.

1920 1-2-0
1921 0-5-1
1922 2-2-0
1923 0-5-0
1924
1925
1926 0-1-0
1927 0-6-0
1928 1-1-0
1929 1-3-0
1930 5-3-2
1931 0-3-0
1932 0-1-1
1933 0-1-0
1934 2-0-0
1935 5-0-0
1936 7-1-0
1937 2-2-1
1938 2-0-1
1939 9-2-0
1940 1-3-1
1941 0-8-1
1942 Season Cancelled
1943 Season Cancelled
1944 0-3-0
1945 0-2-0
1946 0-2-0
1947 3-3-1
1948 3-3-0
1949 3-5-0
1950 2-7-0
1951 0-3-0
1952 0-6-0
1953 - 1957 Competed in 6-man football

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by WOS87
I worked with the staff at Celina helping to research the history. When G.A. Moore left he apparently cleaned out the offices and took any old records with him. Celina has fielded an 11-man football team as far back as 1920. In the 5 year window from 1953 to 1957 they competed in 6-man. I don't think the current staff at Celina was aware that they had an 11-man football program prior to 1958 until I pointed it out to them last year. Here are the numbers that were officially reported to the UIL from the early years.

1920 1-2-0
1921 0-5-1
1922 2-2-0
1923 0-5-0
1924
1925
1926 0-1-0
1927 0-6-0
1928 1-1-0
1929 1-3-0
1930 5-3-2
1931 0-3-0
1932 0-1-1
1933 0-1-0
1934 2-0-0
1935 5-0-0
1936 7-1-0
1937 2-2-1
1938 2-0-1
1939 9-2-0
1940 1-3-1
1941 0-8-1
1942 Season Cancelled
1943 Season Cancelled
1944 0-3-0
1945 0-2-0
1946 0-2-0
1947 3-3-1
1948 3-3-0
1949 3-5-0
1950 2-7-0
1951 0-3-0
1952 0-6-0
1953 - 1957 Competed in 6-man football

What the heck happened in 1939!?! :eek: :thinking:

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by kepdawg
What the heck happened in 1939!?! :eek: :thinking: They won 9 games and lost 2. :p :p

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by pirate4state
They won 9 games and lost 2. :p :p

Looking at those years it's no wonder they tried to get rid of them! :D

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by kepdawg
Looking at those years it's no wonder they tried to get rid of them! :D 35 & 36 were good years

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by pirate4state
35 & 36 were good years

Yeah, but it'd be kind of hard to include 3 or 4 mystery years in the history!

[charlesrixey]

Originally posted by kepdawg
Yeah, but it'd be kind of hard to include 3 or 4 mystery years in the history!

i wonder what class celina played in back then? did they have a class B? i know they were not eligible for anything other than a regional title until the 1970's, when Class B got a state title game

amazing that for a team that has a great football tradition since they started winning in the late 60's, no one i know knew they even had football back then

[WOS87]

They were Class B....


Here's a link to a 1939 article discussing District 14-B. Scroll down to the very bottom of the page....

11/22/39 (http://idisk.mac.com/cboehme69-Public/pdf/112239.pdf)

There's an extensive site covering the history of the Howe Bulldogs and they list their series against Celina going back to 1939...

Howe all-time series records (http://montewalker1.tripod.com/id11.html)