Div II Natl Championship GAme

[alaskacat]

Valdosta State vs NW Missouri for Natl Championship

17-14 with 14:33 left in 4th
Valdosta leads

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Game is on ESPN 2

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NW Missouri has it on Valdosta 16 on 33 yard pass.

1st down to the Valdosta 2 on an end around

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touchdown NW Missouri!

20-16

xtra point blocked by Valdosta picked it up and ran back for 2 points for Valdosta

Oh My my...20-18 NW Missouri

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Make it 20-19 NW Missouri with 12:33 remaining

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Valdosta QB sacked at 15

2nd and 14

gain 7 to the 24

3rd and 6

QB sacked at 21


4th coming

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NE Missouri takes over on their own 20

Gain of 1 Oman


DIV III Championship game starts at 4 on same channel

Oman gain of 6

3rd and 3 in a driving rainstorm
Pass incomplete punt coming

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Valdosta takes over on their own 30

10 Minutes remain


Valdosta has lost the last two years in the final...3 losses in a row would be a record

Glad I chose to stay home this weekend...is Ice and snow falling in McAlester Oklahoma

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Valdosta to their own 37 3rd and 6

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QB draw 1st down Valdosta


pitch right to the 50
7:07 remains

2nd and 6

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Gainof 1

3rd and 1

incomplete pass 4th and 6

Valdosta lools like they are going for it

time out NW Missouri

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Valdosta punts inside 10 of NW Missouri under 6 minutes remain

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Oman of left side for 3
2nd and 7 5:44 remains

1st down to the 34

flag ..holdoing NW Missouri makes it 2nd and 17

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Oman no gain

brings up 3rd and 17

4:44 remains
almost intercepted in and out of Valdosta DB hands


punt.. to the 37 of NW Missouri

1st down Valdosta down by 1

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inside screen and ref got in the way..gain of 3

Pass to the 24 1st down

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3:15 left

pass to the 18
2nd and 4

2:12 remains

QB around right side out of bounds 1st down at the 13 of Nw mISSOURAI
PASS COMPLETE TO 6 YARD LINE]

2:14 remains
1:59

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1st and goal Valdosta at NW Missouri 2

1:40 remains

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runner blocked bounces outside tothe goall line

:45 left

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TD Valdosta

:22 left

25-20 with Xtra point to come

TO Valdosta

Maybe go for 2

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Swinging gate for 2..good..now no good...one called it good...othe said no..ball came out



Valdosta to kick off leading by 5 with :22 left

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Missouri out to the 40 with :16 left and two time outs

Intersepted by Voldosta game over.

late penalty flag



:06 left

unsportsmanlike Valdosta...

Game over

Valdosta State wins 25-20

a real barn burner

[Gobbla2001]

andre ware is one of the best in the biz... great game

[alaskacat]

Which team is he on?

coach?

[thumptbh]

Originally posted by alaskacat
Valdosta takes over on their own 30

10 Minutes remain


Valdosta has lost the last two years in the final...3 losses in a row would be a record

Glad I chose to stay home this weekend...is Ice and snow falling in McAlester Oklahoma

Northwestern has actually lost the last 2 years, both to Grand Valley by combined 7 points and now today to Valdosta.

[VAMike]

Originally posted by alaskacat
touchdown NW Missouri!

20-16

xtra point blocked by Valdosta picked it up and ran back for 2 points for Valdosta

Oh My my...20-18 NW Missouri

That was an officiating error. The player dove into the end zone, drawing a flag, correctly, for unsportsmanlike conduct. In that situation, the score does not count. This is different than on a normal play when there is an unsportsmanlike act by the scoring team on their way to a TD. In that situation, the 6 points stand. The crew should have not allowed the 2 points and then penalized yardage (as they did ) on the KO

[charlesrixey]

Originally posted by VAMike
That was an officiating error. The player dove into the end zone, drawing a flag, correctly, for unsportsmanlike conduct. In that situation, the score does not count. This is different than on a normal play when there is an unsportsmanlike act by the scoring team on their way to a TD. In that situation, the 6 points stand. The crew should have not allowed the 2 points and then penalized yardage (as they did ) on the KO

:eek:

that's a huge oversight!

[VAMike]

They had another in the 1st quarter on a punt that was ruled a touchback even though the returner wanted to run. This is what happens when guys work HS rules (in states other than Tx and Mass) and college rules. They get the 2 mixed up

[Gobbla2001]

Originally posted by alaskacat
Which team is he on?

coach?

he does the color commentating for espn...

he won the heisman in the late 80's... was a Houston Cougar... from Dickinson...

[alaskacat]

wow that was a couple ..huge mistakes that could have made it a whole new game

The Div III game comes on at 4 ESPN

[VAMike]

On right now started 4pm est

[g$$]

Originally posted by VAMike
That was an officiating error. The player dove into the end zone, drawing a flag, correctly, for unsportsmanlike conduct. In that situation, the score does not count. This is different than on a normal play when there is an unsportsmanlike act by the scoring team on their way to a TD. In that situation, the 6 points stand. The crew should have not allowed the 2 points and then penalized yardage (as they did ) on the KO

So the try for point is different than a normal play from scrimmage when this occurs? Please explain...

And, also talk about the difference in HS & college rules regarding the returner wanting to advance the ball (not automatic touchback) & how it varies state to state please...

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VA Mike just finished answering that for me and here was his reply.

"8-3-4-b and 3-1-3-g Example 4

Rule changed within past few years to make extra points enforcement like enforcement in overtime"

[VAMike]

Originally posted by g$$
So the try for point is different than a normal play from scrimmage when this occurs? Please explain...

And, also talk about the difference in HS & college rules regarding the returner wanting to advance the ball (not automatic touchback) & how it varies state to state please...

HS rules in 48 states say the kick is dead as soon as it crosses the plane of the goal line. NCAA (and HS in TX and Mass) do not make the kick dead that easily. It has to touch the ground in the EZ or be caught or recovered by a player who then takes a knee in order to become dead normally.

As for the penalty enforcement, if there is a regular play, i.e offense is trying to score a TD and passes the ball. Ball is intercepted and runback by the defender. The defender ends up scoring but commits an unsportsmanlike act onhis way, i.e. taunting, high stepping, diving , etc. The score counts and the penalty can be enforced on the extra point or the KO But if this same thing happens in extra periods, the score does not count and the penalty is enforced on the next play (which means the defenderd team will now be starting from their 40 not the 25. ) The rule for this enforcement on extra points is the same as the ruile for enforcements like this in extra periods. NO SCORE

[markp08]

Originally posted by Gobbla2001
andre ware is one of the best in the biz... great game


I didn't watch the game. Are you saying Andre Ware is one of the best broadcast announcers? :doh: :hand: :thinking:

Not to me!:eek:

[g$$]

Originally posted by VAMike
HS rules in 48 states say the kick is dead as soon as it crosses the plane of the goal line. NCAA (and HS in TX and Mass) do not make the kick dead that easily. It has to touch the ground in the EZ or be caught or recovered by a player who then takes a knee in order to become dead normally.

As for the penalty enforcement, if there is a regular play, i.e offense is trying to score a TD and passes the ball. Ball is intercepted and runback by the defender. The defender ends up scoring but commits an unsportsmanlike act onhis way, i.e. taunting, high stepping, diving , etc. The score counts and the penalty can be enforced on the extra point or the KO But if this same thing happens in extra periods, the score does not count and the penalty is enforced on the next play (which means the defenderd team will now be starting from their 40 not the 25. ) The rule for this enforcement on extra points is the same as the ruile for enforcements like this in extra periods. NO SCORE

Thanks, good stuff. I was right in that I knew the Texas HS rule for touchbacks, etc. But I learned something on the unsportsmanlike penalty regarding overtimes & try for point in OT.

Much appreciated.

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by VAMike
They had another in the 1st quarter on a punt that was ruled a touchback even though the returner wanted to run. This is what happens when guys work HS rules (in states other than Tx and Mass) and college rules. They get the 2 mixed up

The punt was correct. The ball hit the ground in the field of play making the goal line a plane.

[VAMike]

Originally posted by whtfbplaya
The punt was correct. The ball hit the ground in the field of play making the goal line a plane.
What are you talking about??? The goal line is a plane regardless of whether a punt hitsthe ground in the field of play or not. But whether or not it is a plane has no bearing on whether or not it becomes dead when it crosses through it. I think you might be confused about what happened on the play. It was the RECEIVING team player who touched it in the air when it was over the end zone, not the KICKING team player. Ball should have remained live.