Mitchell Report Due Out Today (merged x5)

[Old Tiger]

Scary day for all the baseball fans and players and whoever is involved.

[coach]

i bet anyone a benjamin that barry lamar bonds' name will be on there

[3afan]

i heard the report spreads the blame around, which is important for credibilities sake

my opinion? amnesty for the past and move forward from here ....

[Old Tiger]

* maybe?

[CenTexSports]

Even though I am sure that there will be names on there that I am a fan of, I hope that every athlete on the list is removed from the game and any records they hold are wiped from the books.

[STANG RED]

And let the laysuits begin.:mad:

[rockdale80]

I hear Roger Clemens is in there

[TMer25]

ESPN just said Roger Clemens is on the list. Who else do you think will be on there?

[Adidas410s]

A good number of pitchers will be on the report. Then we can throw out the ludicrous claims by some to "strike everything from the record books" that took place in the "steroid era."

[Old Tiger]

How is this information laked?

[Snyder_TigerFan]

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1212/mlb_i_mitchell_412.jpg


He looks like he means serious business.:eek:

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by Go Blue
How is this information laked?

i dont know how you LAKE anything?

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by rockdale80
i dont know how you LAKE anything?

:thumbsup: Me either. :thinking: :D

[Txbroadcaster]

The big problem I have with report is how much of it will be hearsay?

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
The big problem I have with report is how much of it will be hearsay? I doubt we'll ever know.

[STANG RED]

Originally posted by TMer25
ESPN just said Roger Clemens is on the list. Who else do you think will be on there?

NEW YORK - Seven-time Cy Young Award winner Roger Clemens and Yankees pitcher Andy Pettitte were the first names to emerge Thursday from the Mitchell report.

[3afan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
The big problem I have with report is how much of it will be hearsay?

ALOT!!!!!

thats why I said - great, whatever - now move on ..........

[charlesrixey]

why would the media move on from a useless report that has no basis in fact?


that doesn't make any sense!

[DDBooger]

i see lots of lawsuits coming from this...a lot of reputations will be hurt, and some players who have lucrative endorsements could also feel the heat. stupid to release a HEARSAY report. on that note, The Players Union did nothing to help the process become more thorough. YIKES, Sportscenter is gonna be round the clock with all this.

[Old Tiger]

sue the government....ya right

[DDBooger]

Originally posted by Go Blue
sue the government....ya right incorrect, can't remember what they call it, but Mitchell is clear of responsibility and it will lay with MLB itself. GM's are already talking about lawsuits if they are singled out as the MAIN cause for their inattention to the drug culture in Baseball

[Maroon87]

I'm hearing Johnny Damon is in the report.

[kaorder1999]

I think Norm on the Ticket said it best...

There will be 62 names in this list report supposedly...

when the MLB did that field test where they tested everyone for steroids just to see the percentage of players on Steroids at that given time over 100 players tested positive on that ONE TEST...THAT ONE DAY!

[Txbroadcaster]

Typical terrible handling of this by Selig

He should have just came out and said u know what, we as baseball messed up and we take the blame as a whole, now lets clean it up and move on


BUT by him requesting this report, it will only drag baseball thru the mud that much more, and wont put an end to this because it is a report that will have no 100% true facts, a bunch of he says/she says

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Typical terrible handling of this by Selig

He should have just came out and said u know what, we as baseball messed up and we take the blame as a whole, now lets clean it up and move on


BUT by him requesting this report, it will only drag baseball thru the mud that much more, and wont put an end to this because it is a report that will have no 100% true facts, a bunch of he says/she says They came to Selig and Selig told them do whatever they want.

[rockdale80]

Lot of big time players!!





Brady Anderson

Manny Alexander

Rick Ankiel

Jeff Bagwell

Barry Bonds

Aaron Boone

Rafael Bettancourt

Bret Boone

Milton Bradley

David Bell

Dante Bichette

Albert Belle

Paul Byrd

Wil Cordero

Ken Caminiti

Mike Cameron

Ramon Castro

Jose Canseco

Ozzie Canseco

Roger Clemens

Paxton Crawford

Wilson Delgado

Lenny Dykstra

Johnny Damon

Carl Everett

Kyle Farnsworth

Ryan Franklin

Troy Glaus

Rich Garces

Jason Grimsley

Juan Gonzalez

Eric Gagne

Nomar Garciaparra

Jason Giambi

Jeremy Giambi

Jose Guillen

Jay Gibbons

Juan Gonzalez

Clay Hensley

Jerry Hairston

Felix Heredia, Jr.

Darren Holmes

Wally Joyner

Darryl Kile

Matt Lawton

Raul Mondesi

Mark McGwire

Guillermo Mota

Robert Machado

Damian Moss

Abraham Nunez

Trot Nixon

Jose Offerman

Andy Pettitte

Mark Prior

Nifi Perez

Rafael Palmiero

Albert Pujols

Brian Roberts

Juan Rincon

John Rocker

Pudge Rodriguez

Sammy Sosa

Scott Sc hoenweiis

David Segui

Alex Sanchez

Gary Sheffield

Miguel Tejada

Julian Tavarez

Fernando Tatis

Maurice Vaughn

Jason Varitek

Ismael Valdez

Matt Williams

Kerry Wood

[Maroon87]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Lot of big time players!!





Brady Anderson

Manny Alexander

Rick Ankiel

Jeff Bagwell

Barry Bonds

Aaron Boone

Rafael Bettancourt

Bret Boone

Milton Bradley

David Bell

Dante Bichette

Albert Belle

Paul Byrd

Wil Cordero

Ken Caminiti

Mike Cameron

Ramon Castro

Jose Canseco

Ozzie Canseco

Roger Clemens

Paxton Crawford

Wilson Delgado

Lenny Dykstra

Johnny Damon

Carl Everett

Kyle Farnsworth

Ryan Franklin

Troy Glaus

Rich Garces

Jason Grimsley

Juan Gonzalez

Eric Gagne

Nomar Garciaparra

Jason Giambi

Jeremy Giambi

Jose Guillen

Jay Gibbons

Juan Gonzalez

Clay Hensley

Jerry Hairston

Felix Heredia, Jr.

Darren Holmes

Wally Joyner

Darryl Kile

Matt Lawton

Raul Mondesi

Mark McGwire

Guillermo Mota

Robert Machado

Damian Moss

Abraham Nunez

Trot Nixon

Jose Offerman

Andy Pettitte

Mark Prior

Nifi Perez

Rafael Palmiero

Albert Pujols

Brian Roberts

Juan Rincon

John Rocker

Pudge Rodriguez

Sammy Sosa

Scott Sc hoenweiis

David Segui

Alex Sanchez

Gary Sheffield

Miguel Tejada

Julian Tavarez

Fernando Tatis

Maurice Vaughn

Jason Varitek

Ismael Valdez

Matt Williams

Kerry Wood

Official source?

[kaorder1999]

wow...10 or so of them have come t hrough the Rangers clubhouse

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
wow...10 or so of them have come t hrough the Rangers clubhouse

Jose Canseco said he provided the Roids while in Texas..named Palmerio, everyone called Jose a liar..WHOOPS Seems he was more legit then people thought

[Maroon87]

I had suspected Bagwell but was hoping it wasn't true. He really shrunk after he retired.

[NastySlot]

Originally posted by charlesrixey
why would the media move on from a useless report that has no basis in fact?


that doesn't make any sense!

are you being sarcastic???????????cause i remember watching les miles rip espn for annoucing that he would become the next michagan head coach....the morning of the sec championship.....................and don't forget the classic media blunder..........Dewey defeats Truman

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by Maroon87
Official source?

I am at work so I cant look at all the websites. This is what someone with access to information sent me. Sorry I cant help more. It may be BS. I dont know yet, and wont know unless I read it on here or get home to verify.

[Maroon87]

Originally posted by rockdale80
I am at work so I cant look at all the websites. This is what someone with access to information sent me. Sorry I cant help more. It may be BS. I dont know yet, and wont know unless I read it on here or get home to verify.

That's cool...I was just wondering where it came from since the info has been guarded pretty closely.

[Sweetwater Red]

Ivan Rodriguez and Gary Sheffield.:( :dispntd:


I was hoping and praying that no current Tigers would be on
this list. I hope the commentators don't bring this up everytime
a Tiger game is televised. I don't want anything to take away
from what the Tigers are capable of doing to the AL next
season.

[PurplePride2006]

Press Conference About To Start, Should Be Interesting

[Txbroadcaster]

A long but very informative read

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3142651

[Adidas410s]

I've been skimming through the PDF...here are some names I've read so far:

BALCO
Barry Bonds
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Benito Santiago
Bobby Estalella

Radomski/McNamee List
Adam Piatt
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangello
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejeda
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Paul Do Luca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Exavier "Nook" Logan

Alleged Internet Purchases
Rick Ankiel
Paul Byrd
David Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston, Jr
Gary Matthews, Jr
Scott Schoenweis
David Bell
Jose Canseco
Jason Grimsley
Darren Holmes
John Rocker
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard

[Adidas410s]

Ok I think I got most of the names listed above now...

[charlesrixey]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
Ok I think I got most of the names listed above now...

i was reading it too, as soon as the clock struck noon

[Daddy D 11]

wow that is amazing, if they are guilty i hope they go to the gallows lol

[kaorder1999]

sucks for them!

[coach]

those are some huge names i cant believe ppl like johnny damon pudge nomar and baggwell

[crzyjournalist03]

interesting side note:

Maybe Rafael Palmeiro was on to something when he said he believed he had received a tainted needle from Miguel Tejada...still don't think that Raffy didn't know what he was doing, but he called out Tejada years ago and nobody seemed to notice that Tejada's production immediately slipped.

[raider red 2000]

so is anything going to happen to any of these guys.

heck i dont really care...but it would suck for the stros if they traded 5 guys for 1 (tejada) and he gets in trouble for it (suspension)

[JR2004]

Saw Prior's name in the list posted in this thread. Now this one would be pretty humorous to me because if I remember correctly, Jack McDowell had said in the past that he thought Prior's injuries were the result of using steroids. I remember Prior raking him over the coals for making that insinuation.

Looks like his assumption might possibly be right.

[Panther One]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
interesting side note:

Maybe Rafael Palmeiro was on to something when he said he believed he had received a tainted needle from Miguel Tejada...still don't think that Raffy didn't know what he was doing, but he called out Tejada years ago and nobody seemed to notice that Tejada's production immediately slipped.
Actually, Tejada's numbers haven't slipped at all, until last year when he broke his wrist.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by rockdale80
I am at work so I cant look at all the websites. This is what someone with access to information sent me. Sorry I cant help more. It may be BS. I dont know yet, and wont know unless I read it on here or get home to verify.
The list I posted in a seperate thread are the names listed in the PDF file (on ESPN.com) of the report. Each name I listed includes a "back story" of evidence against the player. There were other players left out of the report because there wasn't "substantial evidence" against them...and many of them are on your list.

[themsu97]

Palmeiro has always been my favorite and MLB threw him under the bus to protect themselves... looks like Barry lied and is going to Jail and Clemens is a cheater as well

[CHS_Grad '85]

PLAYERS NAMED IN THE REPORT INCLUDE:
Chad Allen
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Mike Bell
Marvin Benard
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Larry Bigbie
Barry Bonds
Kevin Brown
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Mark Carreon
Jason Christiansen
Howie Clark
Roger Clemens
Jack Cust
Brendan Donnelly
Chris Donnels
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Estalella
Matt Franco
Ryan Franklin
Eric Gagne
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Matt Herges
Phil Hiatt
Glenallen Hill
Darren Holmes
Todd Hundley
David Justice
Chuck Knoblauch
Tim Laker
Mike Lansing
Paul Lo Duca
Exavier "Nook" Logan
Josias Manzanillo
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Mark McGwire
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris
Daniel Naulty
Denny Neagle
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Parque
Andy Pettitte
Adam Piatt
Todd Pratt
Adam Riggs
Brian Roberts
John Rocker
F.P. Santangelo
Benito Santiago
Scott Schoeneweis
David Segui
Gary Sheffield
Miguel Tejada
Ismael Valdez
Mo Vaughn
Randy Velarde
Ron Villone
Fernando Vina
Rondell White
Jeff Williams
Matt Williams
Todd Williams
Steve Woodard
Kevin Young
Gregg Zaun

Read story here (http://cbs2chicago.com/national/Mitchell.report.baseball.2.609138.html#playerlist)

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Lot of big time players!!





Brady Anderson

Manny Alexander

Rick Ankiel

Jeff Bagwell

Barry Bonds

Aaron Boone

Rafael Bettancourt

Bret Boone

Milton Bradley

David Bell

Dante Bichette

Albert Belle

Paul Byrd

Wil Cordero

Ken Caminiti

Mike Cameron

Ramon Castro

Jose Canseco

Ozzie Canseco

Roger Clemens

Paxton Crawford

Wilson Delgado

Lenny Dykstra

Johnny Damon

Carl Everett

Kyle Farnsworth

Ryan Franklin

Troy Glaus

Rich Garces

Jason Grimsley

Juan Gonzalez

Eric Gagne

Nomar Garciaparra

Jason Giambi

Jeremy Giambi

Jose Guillen

Jay Gibbons

Juan Gonzalez

Clay Hensley

Jerry Hairston

Felix Heredia, Jr.

Darren Holmes

Wally Joyner

Darryl Kile

Matt Lawton

Raul Mondesi

Mark McGwire

Guillermo Mota

Robert Machado

Damian Moss

Abraham Nunez

Trot Nixon

Jose Offerman

Andy Pettitte

Mark Prior

Nifi Perez

Rafael Palmiero

Albert Pujols

Brian Roberts

Juan Rincon

John Rocker

Pudge Rodriguez

Sammy Sosa

Scott Sc hoenweiis

David Segui

Alex Sanchez

Gary Sheffield

Miguel Tejada

Julian Tavarez

Fernando Tatis

Maurice Vaughn

Jason Varitek

Ismael Valdez

Matt Williams

Kerry Wood

I haven't been able to find all of these names...how did you get this?

[raider red 2000]

i am glad to see my buddy from HS Justin Duchscherer isnt on there.

[crzyjournalist03]

see, that Chicago link that CHS provided differs from Rockdale's list...I've yet to see Pudge Rodriguez, Mark Prior, or several of the other names in that list on any other lists...

[TexasHSFootball]

I just skimmed through the entire thing.. and I believe these are all the names mentioned that I could find.

Names in List in order mentioned:
Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Vellarde
Lenny Dysktra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Greg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangello
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Merker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Steven Randolph
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
Daniel Naulty
Jay Gibbons
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Darren Holmes
John Rocker
Scott Schoeneweis
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard

[setxsports]

:eek:

[Adidas410s]

welcome to 3rd place! ;)

http://bbs.3adownlow.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76111

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
I haven't been able to find all of these names...how did you get this?

It was his "friend with inside information." Translation...it was a bunch of BS. If the national media couldn't get the lists early...I doubt his buddy over in cubicle 19 had them first.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
see, that Chicago link that CHS provided differs from Rockdale's list...I've yet to see Pudge Rodriguez, Mark Prior, or several of the other names in that list on any other lists...

I posted a list earlier (it was merged into this thread) that breaks down all players named and whom they were named by (Balco, Mets clubhouse guy, Internet)

[75009Football]

Originally posted by rockdale80
i dont know how you LAKE anything?

It's only halfed laked.

[Snyder_TigerFan]

I big round of :clap: :clap: to the players and stars that play "juiceless".

[crzyjournalist03]

Mitchell says that "every team" has a player involved in drugs, but there's not a single current Texas Ranger on any of those lists!

I honestly expected to see a couple of them somewhere, but kudos to the Rangers for (at least right now) having a clean clubhouse!

(I know that GMJ, Jerry Hairston Jr., Gagne, etc. played for the Rangers, but I'm talking about current players)

[duckpluck]

All pro sports should be hard on violators.

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Mitchell says that "every team" has a player involved in drugs, but there's not a single current Texas Ranger on any of those lists!

I honestly expected to see a couple of them somewhere, but kudos to the Rangers for (at least right now) having a clean clubhouse!

(I know that GMJ, Jerry Hairston Jr., Gagne, etc. played for the Rangers, but I'm talking about current players)

It lasted real long since they signed Milton Bradley!

[JR2004]

Originally posted by kepdawg
It lasted real long since they signed Milton Bradley!

Even though I'm an A's fan, I'm genuinely excited to see Scrabble in a Rangers uniform. That man is comedy gold when he's pissed off!

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by kepdawg
It lasted real long since they signed Milton Bradley!

It appears that Bradley is not named in the report.

I understand what cj03 is saying, but the number of guys named who passed through Arlington is embarrassing.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by kepdawg
It lasted real long since they signed Milton Bradley!

I haven't seen Bradley's name on there except for rockdale80's bogus report...the Rangers even have a story on their website that their team is clean.

[crzyjournalist03]

Here's the link to the Rangers' story...16 former Rangers involved, none currently on the roster (and yes, Bradley is already on the roster):
http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071213&content_id=2324931&vkey=news_tex&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex

[kepdawg]

The Clemens camp has already issued a denial.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by kepdawg
The Clemens camp has already issued a denial.

figures...he's denied it a hundred times already...don't let facts get in the way of a good argument Roger... :rolleyes:

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
figures...he's denied it a hundred times already...don't let facts get in the way of a good argument Roger... :rolleyes:

What facts?

[TexanFan4Life]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
The big problem I have with report is how much of it will be hearsay?

The report is the product of a congressional investigation. Congressional findings are never the result of hearsay. I bet all of the findings included are official, meaning they have been certified as true.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by kepdawg
What facts?

I don't know about you, but a personal trainer who comes forward stating that he himself injected steroids and was able to provide payment he received seems pretty incriminating, especially considering the trainer was with him in both Toronto and NY and can give a very detailed account of the incidents.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by duckpluck
All pro sports should be hard on violators.
:clap: :clap: I concur.

[PHS Wildcats]

so, now that all of this info has come out. With everyone wanting to put an asterik on Bonds and belittling him, what about everyone esle that is on the list. Do you put and asterik by their name as well? Or is a case of "double standards"? etc. Roger Clemons, Andy Pettite and so on?

[buff4life]

I'm not going to believe any of the names unless there is solid proof, something besides just someone saying it...

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by buff4life
I'm not going to believe any of the names unless there is solid proof, something besides just someone saying it... That's ignorant. You know if someone says someone did something it has to be true! lol

[NDFootball]

The whole asterisk thing is stupid to begin with. Either put them on all the records from this era or just don't worry about it in the first place because it's obvious everybody in baseball is a roid monkey these days. Pro baseball has turned into a joke now because of this and let's be honest with ourselves...MLB is lame anyways compared to any other pro sport except for NASCAR. Just look at the attendance numbers of the games. Does anyone really care? Honestly? I'm not trying to be rude but does it suprise anyone at all?

[coach]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Lot of big time players!!





Brady Anderson

Manny Alexander

Rick Ankiel

Jeff Bagwell

Barry Bonds

Aaron Boone

Rafael Bettancourt

Bret Boone

Milton Bradley

David Bell

Dante Bichette

Albert Belle

Paul Byrd

Wil Cordero

Ken Caminiti

Mike Cameron

Ramon Castro

Jose Canseco

Ozzie Canseco

Roger Clemens

Paxton Crawford

Wilson Delgado

Lenny Dykstra

Johnny Damon

Carl Everett

Kyle Farnsworth

Ryan Franklin

Troy Glaus

Rich Garces

Jason Grimsley

Juan Gonzalez

Eric Gagne

Nomar Garciaparra

Jason Giambi

Jeremy Giambi

Jose Guillen

Jay Gibbons

Juan Gonzalez

Clay Hensley

Jerry Hairston

Felix Heredia, Jr.

Darren Holmes

Wally Joyner

Darryl Kile

Matt Lawton

Raul Mondesi

Mark McGwire

Guillermo Mota

Robert Machado

Damian Moss

Abraham Nunez

Trot Nixon

Jose Offerman

Andy Pettitte

Mark Prior

Nifi Perez

Rafael Palmiero

Albert Pujols

Brian Roberts

Juan Rincon

John Rocker

Pudge Rodriguez

Sammy Sosa

Scott Sc hoenweiis

David Segui

Alex Sanchez

Gary Sheffield

Miguel Tejada

Julian Tavarez

Fernando Tatis

Maurice Vaughn

Jason Varitek

Ismael Valdez

Matt Williams

Kerry Wood


where did you get this list i havent seen players like pudge pujols johnny damon and jason varitek????? escept on this one

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by NDFootball
The whole asterisk thing is stupid to begin with. Either put them on all the records from this era or just don't worry about it in the first place because it's obvious everybody in baseball is a roid monkey these days. Pro baseball has turned into a joke now because of this and let's be honest with ourselves...MLB is lame anyways compared to any other pro sport except for NASCAR. Just look at the attendance numbers of the games. Does anyone really care? Honestly? I'm not trying to be rude but does it suprise anyone at all?

I seriously hope you were being sarcastic there...just look at the attendance numbers...NASCAR is the biggest draw of them all!

And on bad days, baseball draws more than basketball or hockey...they just have bigger stadiums so they look less crowded.