Region 3 Stacked

[lion75]

With LOSERS! 29 to be exact. This region has by far more losing teams than any other region. More than twice as many losers than Region 1 (14) and easily more than Reg. 2 (20) and Reg.4 (19). Funny how Goblue never mentions this. Any body can reel off a list of the best 10-15 teams in their region and then only list 2 or 3 teams from every body elses region and then declare their region to be the best. It's just not the case. The only thing different about region 3 is that it has more teams than the others (51). Snyder, Graham , Argyle, Vernon, Canyon, Wylie, Clyde, Burkburnett, Bridgeport, Andrews. These teams can all hang with the group that you normally list as superior, with the exception of Liberty Hill. The biggest difference is the lack of losers for Region 1 to run their records up on.

[Centextrash]

Also funny how you didn't mention the fact that Region 3 is the largest region.

[pirate4state]

Where did this come from?? LOL

[lion75]

Originally posted by Centextrash
Also funny how you didn't mention the fact that Region 3 is the largest region. If you read the post it DOES mention that . (says 51 TEAMS)

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Centextrash
Also funny how you didn't mention the fact that Region 3 is the largest region.

did you read what he wrote? Look right in the middle of it and you'll find this...


The only thing different about region 3 is that it has more teams than the others (51).

[Centextrash]

Sorry, Only half way read your post.

You have a point, the top teams in each region are about equal with each other. I think the point that most region 3 fans would say is that the majority of teams in Region 3 would have winning records vs other regions.
I can promise you, some of those "losing teams" would be district champs in other regions.

[lion75]

Originally posted by pirate4state
Where did this come from?? LOL This is an ongoing fued between Region 1 posters and goblue. He started before the season started and has consistantly tried to put out the proposition that Region 1 is weak. It is the smallest region (35 teams) and so he has associated that with weakness. I'm just showing the other side of the story. 57% of the teams in Region 3 are losers. Only 40% of Reg.1 are losers. Reg. 2 (40%) and Reg. 4 (49%) also have a lower percentage of losing teams. I just thought it might be a good time to set the record straight.

[King_LeYoeNidas]

your math skills are nice and all but when good teams play other good teams, there will be a loser but said loser (La Vega, WOS, Giddings, etc) would probably mop the floor with most any team they faced.

[buff4life]

when you have the GREATEST AMOUNT OF GOOD TEAMS...the teams that are mediocre great get beat up on...

like in your region when all teams are just mediocre, its a 50-50 chance each one will win improving their record...

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by lion75
This is an ongoing fued between Region 1 posters and goblue. He started before the season started and has consistantly tried to put out the proposition that Region 1 is weak. It is the smallest region (35 teams) and so he has associated that with weakness. I'm just showing the other side of the story. 57% of the teams in Region 3 are losers. Only 40% of Reg.1 are losers. Reg. 2 (40%) and Reg. 4 (49%) also have a lower percentage of losing teams. I just thought it might be a good time to set the record straight.

LOL

I'm sorry to say that you wasted your time with GoBlue!

[Old Tiger]

Yawn....


Pathetic attempt to dog a region who is by far the most competitive and toughest in the state.

[LH Panther Mom]

:doh: :doh: :doh: I thought by now you might've figured out that Go Blue just says it to piss you Region I guys off. If you ignore his silly "weak blah blah blah" posts and stop responding, he won't have anyone to rag on. ;)

[big daddy russ]

The best way to figure out would be this:

1.) Rank the best teams in each region 1-20. Also, base this on how good they are, not overall record. i.e. Wimberley had what, five losses on the season, but they were to teams like Abilene Wylie and Liberty Hill. If a team is competitive to great teams in losses, they get the benefit of the doubt over a team like, say, the Kansas Jayhawks, who suck, but still managed to sneak 11 wins, a BCS berth, and a box of Twinkies for Coach Mangino out of Big XII play.

2.) Compare like teams. For example, if Region III has 50 teams and Region I only has 25, pit every other Region III team going down the rankings against every Region I team going down the rankings. For example:
#1 Region I vs. #1 Region III
#2 Region I vs. #3 Region III
#3 Region I vs. #5 Region III
#4 Region I vs. #7 Region III
...etc, on down to the number 10 team in Region I. In reality, it'd probably be closer to a 2-to-3 ratio between R1 and R3, but you get the picture.

3.) How do the matchups look when you go through the rankings. Are there a few that lean decidedly towards one region or the other?




This is the best way to compare like teams. It's all subjective, and it'll be biased depending on who's doing the evaluation, but if you take an outsider (someone from Region IV or Region II, like TxBroadcaster), who follows the other regions pretty closely, you can get a good idea of how good Region III really is. Remember, up until this last realignment Region III was nowhere near what it is today.

[JJ7997]

Originally posted by King_LeYoeNidas
your math skills are nice and all but when good teams play other good teams, there will be a loser but said loser (La Vega, WOS, Giddings, etc) would probably mop the floor with most any team they faced.

Exactly. :clap: :clap: :clap:

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
:doh: :doh: :doh: I thought by now you might've figured out that Go Blue just says it to piss you Region I guys off. If you ignore his silly "weak blah blah blah" posts and stop responding, he won't have anyone to rag on. ;) Ya think?

[buff4ever]

I gotta get go blues back on this one. I am going to list below several teams that would either win any other region or lose in the region final, which is fair b/c there has to be atleast one good team from the other regions that can play in this great region 3.

The list:
LH
GIDDINGS
WOS
LA VEGA
CHINA SPRINGS
CUERO
NAVASOTA

There may be 1-3 more that I can't think of right now, but that is my list for now.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by buff4ever
I gotta get go blues back on this one. I am going to list below several teams that would either win any other region or lose in the region final, which is fair b/c there has to be atleast one good team from the other regions that can play in this great region 3.

The list:
LH
GIDDINGS
WOS
LA VEGA
CHINA SPRINGS
CUERO
NAVASOTA

There may be 1-3 more that I can't think of right now, but that is my list for now.

Hey, don't be stealing Cuero from Region IV!! :tongue: :D

[buff4ever]

Originally posted by pirate4state
Hey, don't be stealing Cuero from Region IV!! :tongue: :D

SORRY, you're right.:D ;)

STILL, come on people.

[JJ7997]

Originally posted by buff4ever
I gotta get go blues back on this one. I am going to list below several teams that would either win any other region or lose in the region final, which is fair b/c there has to be atleast one good team from the other regions that can play in this great region 3.

The list:
LH
GIDDINGS
WOS
LA VEGA
CHINA SPRINGS
CUERO
NAVASOTA

There may be 1-3 more that I can't think of right now, but that is my list for now.

Heck, I think Sealy, Kirbyville, Carthage, Caldwell, Rockdale and Robinson could have made it out of DII Reg. 2

[buff4ever]

Originally posted by JJ7997
Heck, I think Sealy, Kirbyville, Carthage, Caldwell, Rockdale and Robinson could have made it out of DII Reg. 2


I would prolly go for that too.:D

[eagle40]

Originally posted by JJ7997
Heck, I think Sealy, Kirbyville, Carthage, Caldwell, Rockdale and Robinson could have made it out of DII Reg. 2

aren't you forgetting about celina?

[JJ7997]

Originally posted by eagle40
aren't you forgetting about celina?

Well, I meant if Celina weren't there. Of course they wouldnt stand a chance against Celina ! :D

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Originally posted by pirate4state
Hey, don't be stealing Cuero from Region IV!! :tongue: :D They also borrowing Liberty Hill for last two years ;)

[lakers]

Haha, very funny thread...


:clap: :clap: :clap:

Thanks, Lion75

[WOS87]

The easiest way to prove that wrong is to just look at the head-to-head games between Region III teams and all the other Regions this season:

Region III has 17 wins over teams from all the other regions, 10 of which were over playoff qualifiers from other regions and 6 which were over District Champs from other regions

(1)Region III China Spring - 41
Region II District 12 Champ Glen Rose - 13

(2)Region III Robinson - 28
Region II Kennedale - 7

(3)Region III Lorena - 9
Region II Whitney - 7

(4)Region III Liberty Hill - 49
Region IV District 29 Champ Cuero - 35

(5)Region III Liberty Hill - 35
Region IV District 25 Champ Wimberley - 10

(6)Region III Liberty Hill - 49
Region IV District 27 Champ Pleasanton - 7

(7)Region III Hutto - 37
Region IV Gonzales - 18

(8)Region III Palestine - 28
Region II District 13 Champ Kaufman - 14

(9)Region III Palestine Westwood - 45
Region II Bullard - 14

(10)Region III Palestine Westwood - 55
Region II Brownsboro - 21

(11)Region III Rusk - 42
Region II Gladewater - 29

(12)Region III Carthage- 45
Region II Pittsburg - 21

(13)Region III Smithville - 12
Region IV Yoakum - 7

(14)Region III La Grange - 21
Region IV Yoakum - 0

(15)Region III La Grange - 13
Region IV Luling - 0

(16)Region III Giddings - 55
Region IV District 25 Champ Wimberley - 21

(17)Region III Columbus - 39
Region IV Yoakum - 0

The other Regions have 11 wins combined over Region III teams, only 3 of which were over teams that qualified for the playoffs - Two 3rd place teams, and one 2nd place team.


(1)Region II Celina - 19
Region III Robinson - 6

(2)Region II West - 35
Region III Lorena - 14

(3)Region IV Llano - 22
Region III Taylor - 8

(4)Region IV Gonzales - 22
Region III Rockdale - 16

(5)Region II Chapel Hill - 33
Region III Palestine Westwood - 12

(6)Region II Whitney - 17
Region III Groesbeck - 0

(7)Region II Crandall - 19
Region III Fairfield - 18

(8)Region II Mabank - 58
Region III Rusk - 21

(9)Region II Van - 54
Region III Rusk - 13

(10)Region II Bullard - 34
Region III Huntington - 7

(11)Region IV Cuero - 61
Region III Stafford - 3

[TheDOCTORdre]

Originally posted by WOS87
The easiest way to prove that wrong is to just look at the head-to-head games between Region III teams and all the other Regions this season:

Region III has 17 wins over teams from all the other regions, 10 of which were over playoff qualifiers from other regions and 6 which were over District Champs from other regions

(1)Region III China Spring - 41
Region II District 12 Champ Glen Rose - 13

(2)Region III Robinson - 28
Region II Kennedale - 7

(3)Region III Lorena - 9
Region II Whitney - 7

(4)Region III Liberty Hill - 49
Region IV District 29 Champ Cuero - 35

(5)Region III Liberty Hill - 35
Region IV District 25 Champ Wimberley - 10

(6)Region III Liberty Hill - 49
Region IV District 27 Champ Pleasanton - 7

(7)Region III Hutto - 37
Region IV Gonzales - 18

(8)Region III Palestine - 28
Region II District 13 Champ Kaufman - 14

(9)Region III Palestine Westwood - 45
Region II Bullard - 14

(10)Region III Palestine Westwood - 55
Region II Brownsboro - 21

(11)Region III Rusk - 42
Region II Gladewater - 29

(12)Region III Carthage- 45
Region II Pittsburg - 21

(13)Region III Smithville - 12
Region IV Yoakum - 7

(14)Region III La Grange - 21
Region IV Yoakum - 0

(15)Region III La Grange - 13
Region IV Luling - 0

(16)Region III Giddings - 55
Region IV District 25 Champ Wimberley - 21

(17)Region III Columbus - 39
Region IV Yoakum - 0

The other Regions have 11 wins combined over Region III teams, only 3 of which were over teams that qualified for the playoffs - Two 3rd place teams, and one 2nd place team.


(1)Region II Celina - 19
Region III Robinson - 6

(2)Region II West - 35
Region III Lorena - 14

(3)Region IV Llano - 22
Region III Taylor - 8

(4)Region IV Gonzales - 22
Region III Rockdale - 16

(5)Region II Chapel Hill - 33
Region III Palestine Westwood - 12

(6)Region II Whitney - 17
Region III Groesbeck - 0

(7)Region II Crandall - 19
Region III Fairfield - 18

(8)Region II Mabank - 58
Region III Rusk - 21

(9)Region II Van - 54
Region III Rusk - 13

(10)Region II Bullard - 34
Region III Huntington - 7

(11)Region IV Cuero - 61
Region III Stafford - 3


wow Region I and Region III teams didnt play each other

[WOS87]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
wow Region I and Region III teams didnt play each other

And they most likely never will for the 2007 season unless both Snyder and China Spring win this week.

[JJ7997]

Originally posted by WOS87
And they most likely never will for the 2007 season unless both Snyder and China Spring win this week.

That aint likely to happen.

[lion75]

There is one common opponent that played against Reg1, Reg.2, and Reg. 3. Glen Rose played Reg.2 Champ Celina and got donkey stomped by 49. They played Reg. 3 champ China Spring and lost by 28. They played Reg. 1 early exit, non district champ Graham and lost by 18. Are we supposed to be impressed by China's performance?

[lion75]

Here's another common opponent between Reg.1 and Reg 3. Wimberly. Liberty Hill beat them by 25 and Abilene Wylie (who couldn't handle Vernon's district runner-up Graham) beat them by 27. Explain that.

[LH Panther Mom]

Oh good grief. :weeping: :weeping: :weeping:

[buff4life]

Originally posted by lion75
Here's another common opponent between Reg.1 and Reg 3. Wimberly. Liberty Hill beat them by 25 and Abilene Wylie (who couldn't handle Vernon's district runner-up Graham) beat them by 27. Explain that.

and Giddings beat them by 34, how do you explain that?

[yoemenkracker30]

R1 #1 Abilene Wylie vs. R3 #1 Liberty Hill - Liberty Hill would grind it out, 1 game at a time
R1 #2 Vernon vs. R3 #2 Giddings - all depends on if Brock is playing
R1 #3 Snyder vs. R3 #3 Waco La Vega - La Vega's D would stop Clay & the Parrs would be too much
R1 #4 Graham vs. R3 #4 West Orange-Stark - West Orange Stark's speed too much
R1 #5 Argyle vs. R3 #5 Madisonville - Whaley runs wild
R1 #6 Burkburnett vs. R3 #6 Kirbyville - you tell me
R1 #7 Sweetwater (7-5) vs. R3 #7 Caldwell - Simms & Cantu run thru, around, and over the 'stangs
R1 #8 Andrews vs. R3 #8 Carthage - Carthage would outscore em
R1 #9 Ft. Stockton vs. R3 #9 China Spring - Eskew puts on a show
R1 #10 Monahans vs. R3 #10 Columbus - Columbus shows up to play



also, I thought it was kind of funny how there was only 1 team in Region 3 (Carthage) who had more than 1 loss going into playoffs.....Region 1 had 3 teams with 3+ losses in their top 10.....:thinking:

[lion75]

Originally posted by yoemenkracker30




also, I thought it was kind of funny how there was only 1 team in Region 3 (Carthage) who had more than 1 loss going into playoffs.....:thinking: When you have 29 loser teams in your Region it's not hard to figure out why.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by buff4life
how do you explain that?
It's the "on any given night" explanation. ;)

[Texasfootball2]

Originally posted by yoemenkracker30
R1 #1 Abilene Wylie vs. R3 #1 Liberty Hill - Liberty Hill would grind it out, 1 game at a time
R1 #2 Vernon vs. R3 #2 Giddings - all depends on if Brock is playing
R1 #3 Snyder vs. R3 #3 Waco La Vega - La Vega's D would stop Clay & the Parrs would be too much
R1 #4 Graham vs. R3 #4 West Orange-Stark - West Orange Stark's speed too much
R1 #5 Argyle vs. R3 #5 Madisonville - Whaley runs wild
R1 #6 Burkburnett vs. R3 #6 Kirbyville - you tell me
R1 #7 Sweetwater (7-5) vs. R3 #7 Caldwell - Simms & Cantu run thru, around, and over the 'stangs
R1 #8 Andrews vs. R3 #8 Carthage - Carthage would outscore em
R1 #9 Ft. Stockton vs. R3 #9 China Spring - Eskew puts on a show
R1 #10 Monahans vs. R3 #10 Columbus - Columbus shows up to play



also, I thought it was kind of funny how there was only 1 team in Region 3 (Carthage) who had more than 1 loss going into playoffs.....Region 1 had 3 teams with 3+ losses in their top 10.....:thinking:

It's easy to make assumptions. All these matchups would be good games that probably could go either way most of the time.

What does "grind it out one game at a time" mean beside the Ab. Wylie/Liberty Hill matchup.:thinking:

[lion75]

Originally posted by Texasfootball2
It's easy to make assumptions. All these matchups would be good games that probably could go either way most of the time.

What does "grind it out one game at a time" mean beside the Ab. Wylie/Liberty Hill matchup.:thinking: Damn. It's about time some of my homeboys from Region 1 step in and help me out in this arguement. Where's the troops? I'm standing on the front lines here taking on Region 3 all by my self. Where's all those damn Sweetwater and Graham posters when you finally need them.

[Texasfootball2]

Originally posted by lion75
Damn. It's about time some of my homeboys from Region 1 step in and help me out in this arguement. Where's the troops? I'm standing on the front lines here taking on Region 3 all by my self. Where's all those damn Sweetwater and Graham posters when you finally need them.

I'm here for man, stand tough and hang in there:thumbsup:

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by WOS87
The easiest way to prove that wrong is to just look at the head-to-head games between Region III teams and all the other Regions this season:

Region III has 17 wins over teams from all the other regions, 10 of which were over playoff qualifiers from other regions and 6 which were over District Champs from other regions

(1)Region III China Spring - 41
Region II District 12 Champ Glen Rose - 13

(2)Region III Robinson - 28
Region II Kennedale - 7

(3)Region III Lorena - 9
Region II Whitney - 7

(4)Region III Liberty Hill - 49
Region IV District 29 Champ Cuero - 35

(5)Region III Liberty Hill - 35
Region IV District 25 Champ Wimberley - 10

(6)Region III Liberty Hill - 49
Region IV District 27 Champ Pleasanton - 7

(7)Region III Hutto - 37
Region IV Gonzales - 18

(8)Region III Palestine - 28
Region II District 13 Champ Kaufman - 14

(9)Region III Palestine Westwood - 45
Region II Bullard - 14

(10)Region III Palestine Westwood - 55
Region II Brownsboro - 21

(11)Region III Rusk - 42
Region II Gladewater - 29

(12)Region III Carthage- 45
Region II Pittsburg - 21

(13)Region III Smithville - 12
Region IV Yoakum - 7

(14)Region III La Grange - 21
Region IV Yoakum - 0

(15)Region III La Grange - 13
Region IV Luling - 0

(16)Region III Giddings - 55
Region IV District 25 Champ Wimberley - 21

(17)Region III Columbus - 39
Region IV Yoakum - 0

The other Regions have 11 wins combined over Region III teams, only 3 of which were over teams that qualified for the playoffs - Two 3rd place teams, and one 2nd place team.


(1)Region II Celina - 19
Region III Robinson - 6

(2)Region II West - 35
Region III Lorena - 14

(3)Region IV Llano - 22
Region III Taylor - 8

(4)Region IV Gonzales - 22
Region III Rockdale - 16

(5)Region II Chapel Hill - 33
Region III Palestine Westwood - 12

(6)Region II Whitney - 17
Region III Groesbeck - 0

(7)Region II Crandall - 19
Region III Fairfield - 18

(8)Region II Mabank - 58
Region III Rusk - 21

(9)Region II Van - 54
Region III Rusk - 13

(10)Region II Bullard - 34
Region III Huntington - 7

(11)Region IV Cuero - 61
Region III Stafford - 3


Wow....

Tough to argue that. :clap:

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Wow....

Tough to argue that. :clap: word

[Big Papa]

Originally posted by Go Blue
word

and that equals about all of your input on this thread..great points:D :D

[3ABirdMan]

Originally posted by WOS87
The easiest way to prove that wrong is to just look at the head-to-head games between Region III teams and all the other Regions this season:
................

The other Regions have 11 wins combined over Region III teams, only 3 of which were over teams that qualified for the playoffs - Two 3rd place teams, and one 2nd place team.


(1)Region II Celina - 19
Region III Robinson - 6

(2)Region II West - 35
Region III Lorena - 14

(3)Region IV Llano - 22
Region III Taylor - 8

(4)Region IV Gonzales - 22
Region III Rockdale - 16

(5)Region II Chapel Hill - 33
Region III Palestine Westwood - 12

(6)Region II Whitney - 17
Region III Groesbeck - 0

(7)Region II Crandall - 19
Region III Fairfield - 18

(8)Region II Mabank - 58
Region III Rusk - 21

(9)Region II Van - 54
Region III Rusk - 13

(10)Region II Bullard - 34
Region III Huntington - 7

(11)Region IV Cuero - 61
Region III Stafford - 3

I'm too lazy to do the work, so I'll pose the question . .
Were there any RII vs RIV games, and what was the outcome? All of the listed RII games above are against RIII..........

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by lion75
Where's all those damn Sweetwater and Graham posters when you finally need them.


1. You chose this battle.:thinking:

2. You can't compare over all records when alot of those wins
or losses were to 2A and 4A schools.

3. This is an argument that can never be won by either region.

4. I prefer to focus my attention on the games at hand and
looking ahead at the next realignment.

[lynx_rufus]

I think we all need to educate ourselves and do some research on Region III being stacked.

Here is some proposed research.

http://dvdenthusiast.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/WindowsLiveWriter/1212TVDVDDeals_E369/stacked%5B1%5D1.jpg

[Texasfootball2]

Originally posted by lynx_rufus
I think we all need to educate ourselves and do some research on Region III being stacked.

Here is some proposed research.

http://dvdenthusiast.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/WindowsLiveWriter/1212TVDVDDeals_E369/stacked%5B1%5D1.jpg

OK, I want all of you (Men) who turned your head sideways to take a better look at the picture to fess up:D






I certainly did:thumbsup:

[Mustangpride09]

Even though my team is in region 1, I agree with Go Blue hands down. Region 1 is WAY weaker than region 3.

[Daddy D 11]

top to bottom region 3 is way better than region 1

[trojan37]

Hey, aren't we all forgetting something? Let's give some love to Region II, by far the worst region in 3A. Other than Celina, none of these teams could beat their way out of a paper sack! I might add it's also home to the weakest district in the state in 3A, district 12.