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ASUFrisbeeStud
12-04-2007, 08:54 PM
Bowl system works: Nos. 1, 2 in title game
By ANDREW BAGNATO, The Associated Press

Tuesday, December 4, 2007


College football playoff supporters need to find a new cause.

The BCS worked this time. Deal with it.

At the end of the looniest autumn in memory, the computers whirred and wheezed and spit out an entirely reasonable pairing for the Bowl Championship Series title game: No. 1 Ohio State vs. No. 2 LSU.

As BCS controversies go, there was barely any smoke, let alone fire.

This wasn't 2003, when Oklahoma lost the Big 12 playoff by 28 points and was admitted to the BCS championship game over Southern California, ranked first in both human polls.

It wasn't 2001, when Nebraska lost its last game by 26 points, failed to win its Big 12 division and still got a shot at the BCS title over Oregon, the second-ranked Pac-10 champion.

It wasn't 2000, when Miami beat Florida State and finished ahead of the Seminoles in the polls, only to watch FSU go to the BCS title game.

Those were travesties.

This goofy season produced a sock drawer full of national title contenders. The Buckeyes and Tigers had the fewest holes in the toes.

Playoff scolds pulled themselves away from Sunday's NFL action long enough to lecture us on the injustice of it all.

Well, let's take a closer look at those who were snubbed, and what they might have done to earn a championship berth.

USC? Stop Stanford on fourth-and-20, or fourth-and-10. In the Coliseum, no less.

Georgia? Win your division, Dawgs. You finished behind a team coached by Phil Fulmer.

Virginia Tech? If you're going to lose by 41 points, don't do it against a team (LSU) that will be competing with you for a BCS title slot.

Kansas? Play someone your own size. Oh, you did: Missouri.

Oklahoma? Next time you take a 24-7 lead in Boulder, don't get on the bus until after the fourth quarter.

Even Hawaii, which played a schedule ranked 117th of 119 by the NCAA, has its proponents. "We're the only 12-0 team in Division I-A, so how can we not be in the national championship game?" said former Hawaii defensive end Ikaika Alama-Francis, now with the Detroit Lions. "I don't want to hear people blame our schedule, either."

Remember that the Trojans, Bulldogs, Hokies, Jayhawks, Sooners and Warriors all drew berths in elite bowls. No one's making them spend the holidays in El Paso.

The real problem with this year's BCS can be found in the mostly ho-hum matchups it produced in the other four games.

As for the title game, what's the beef?

It's not as if we're staring at Arizona State-Boston College, a possibility six weeks ago.

Some may wonder if Ohio State is a puffed-up Big Ten pastry waiting to be devoured by a faster, more skilled Southeastern Conference squad. Where have we seen that before? But let's see how it plays out.

Aside from Ohio State-LSU, the BCS gave us only one other compelling game, Hawaii against Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. And that's because it has the potential to make life miserable for the mighty SEC.

It's impossible to overstate the importance of this game for the SEC. The league would never be able to live down a loss to Hawaii, particularly on SEC turf.

If you don't think Colt Brennan and the Warriors have a chance, think about Boise State. Funny things can happen when you give David a month to load up his slingshot.

The point is, anyone who cares about college football will be watching the Sugar on Jan. 1.

The other BCS bowls? Maybe not so much.

Does anyone really need to see USC wipe its cleats on Illinois in the Rose Bowl?

West Virginia-Oklahoma sounds more like a Greyhound bus itinerary than a Fiesta Bowl.

Virginia Tech and Kansas are in the Orange Bowl, but they ought to be playing on a Thursday night in September.

If there's any fallout from this year's BCS selection process, it won't be a playoff. But it could produce more support among conference commissioners for the so-called "plus one" model, which would create an additional game after the BCS bowls.

BCS coordinator Mike Slive, commissioner of the SEC, would like to see the concept be given full consideration, and that is likely to happen when the Football Bowl Subdivision commissioners meet next spring.

"Whether or not this year is good or bad for a so-called 'plus one,' I am still interested in exploring it in great detail," Slive said on a media conference call Sunday night.

Suppose there had been a "plus one" scheme this year. And suppose LSU, USC and Georgia all win their bowl games. You still can't squeeze three teams into one game.

Some years, the "plus one" could bring perfect clarity. Other years, it may simply re-ignite the same arguments one month later.

So what's the best thing to do about the BCS?

Accept that it's flawed, and understand that it's not permanent.

In that way, the BCS is no different from most of the other schemes used to create a national champion in a sport ruled by regional interests.

This much is certain: All the kvetching about the BCS can't diminish a fabulous season.

Think about it. The year began with Appalachian State walking into Ann Arbor and beating Michigan. It ended late on a December night, on an island in the Pacific Ocean, with Hawaii intercepting a last-gasp pass in the end zone to clinch a BCS berth. In between, Notre Dame lost to Navy and eight other teams.

Wonders never cease in college football. Unfortunately, neither does the whining.

IHStangFan
12-04-2007, 08:57 PM
LOL...okay....

I don't care what anyone says...Ohio State is NOT the best team in the nation. They may have a number 1 beside their name but that means exactly squat....rankings are......OVER RATED! ESPECIALLY this year....how many times did #1, #2, etc. go down in flames this year? Just goes to show how "accurate" the rankings are. LSU is going to embarrass the crap outa Ohio State...and I'm gonna enjoy every second of it. It will solidify AGAIN that the BCS is a joke.

wildstangs
12-04-2007, 09:00 PM
Ohio State worked the system better than anyone else. Other teams try to do it - West Virginia - it just doesn't work out for them as well.

IHStangFan
12-04-2007, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by wildstangs
Ohio State worked the system better than anyone else. Other teams try to do it - West Virginia - it just doesn't work out for them as well. has alot to do w/ how the media/voters & computer seem to think the Big 10 is so much better than most of the other confs. when in reality it's garbage...especially this year. What would you consider OSU's most quality win? Michigan? LOL.

headhunter
12-04-2007, 10:07 PM
2 loss team should not be allowed to play for a national championship

oh and Hawaii had as hard a schedule as Ohio State

Emerson1
12-04-2007, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by headhunter
2 loss team should not be allowed to play for a national championship

oh and Hawaii had as hard a schedule as Ohio State
No they didn't. Hawaii's was 118/119, OSU was 44. The only top 25 team Hawaii beat was Boise State, who had the 111 SoS

3afan
12-04-2007, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by wildstangs
Ohio State worked the system better than anyone else. Other teams try to do it - West Virginia - it just doesn't work out for them as well.

how did OSU "work the system" - they played their schedule - what else could they do?

WylieBulldog92
12-04-2007, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by 3afan
how did OSU "work the system" - they played their schedule - what else could they do?
Play a better team than Youngstown St. or Akron just a guess though?

Gobbla2001
12-04-2007, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by Emerson1
No they didn't. Hawaii's was 118/119, OSU was 44. The only top 25 team Hawaii beat was Boise State, who had the 111 SoS

I don't buy into the idea of strength of schedules too much (though my opinion really doesn't matter)...

the Big Ten was overrated this year... Michigan shouldn't have been ranked when Ohio State played them, Penn State shouldn't have been ranked when Ohio State played them... Wisconsin is ranked behind Texas in the AP and has 3 losses, that isn't impressive to me... the only REAL good team they played (Illinois) they lost to...

it works for this system, but I don't like that stuff like this decides who plays for a national title...

kepdawg
12-04-2007, 11:18 PM
Maybe one day in the land of make believe we can actually get a playoff system!

TexanFan4Life
12-04-2007, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by ASUFrisbeeStud
Bowl system works: Nos. 1, 2 in title game
By ANDREW BAGNATO, The Associated Press

Tuesday, December 4, 2007


College football playoff supporters need to find a new cause.

The BCS worked this time. Deal with it.

At the end of the looniest autumn in memory, the computers whirred and wheezed and spit out an entirely reasonable pairing for the Bowl Championship Series title game: No. 1 Ohio State vs. No. 2 LSU.

As BCS controversies go, there was barely any smoke, let alone fire.

This wasn't 2003, when Oklahoma lost the Big 12 playoff by 28 points and was admitted to the BCS championship game over Southern California, ranked first in both human polls.

It wasn't 2001, when Nebraska lost its last game by 26 points, failed to win its Big 12 division and still got a shot at the BCS title over Oregon, the second-ranked Pac-10 champion.

It wasn't 2000, when Miami beat Florida State and finished ahead of the Seminoles in the polls, only to watch FSU go to the BCS title game.

Those were travesties.

This goofy season produced a sock drawer full of national title contenders. The Buckeyes and Tigers had the fewest holes in the toes.

Playoff scolds pulled themselves away from Sunday's NFL action long enough to lecture us on the injustice of it all.

Well, let's take a closer look at those who were snubbed, and what they might have done to earn a championship berth.

USC? Stop Stanford on fourth-and-20, or fourth-and-10. In the Coliseum, no less.

Georgia? Win your division, Dawgs. You finished behind a team coached by Phil Fulmer.

Virginia Tech? If you're going to lose by 41 points, don't do it against a team (LSU) that will be competing with you for a BCS title slot.

Kansas? Play someone your own size. Oh, you did: Missouri.

Oklahoma? Next time you take a 24-7 lead in Boulder, don't get on the bus until after the fourth quarter.

Even Hawaii, which played a schedule ranked 117th of 119 by the NCAA, has its proponents. "We're the only 12-0 team in Division I-A, so how can we not be in the national championship game?" said former Hawaii defensive end Ikaika Alama-Francis, now with the Detroit Lions. "I don't want to hear people blame our schedule, either."

Remember that the Trojans, Bulldogs, Hokies, Jayhawks, Sooners and Warriors all drew berths in elite bowls. No one's making them spend the holidays in El Paso.

The real problem with this year's BCS can be found in the mostly ho-hum matchups it produced in the other four games.

As for the title game, what's the beef?

It's not as if we're staring at Arizona State-Boston College, a possibility six weeks ago.

Some may wonder if Ohio State is a puffed-up Big Ten pastry waiting to be devoured by a faster, more skilled Southeastern Conference squad. Where have we seen that before? But let's see how it plays out.

Aside from Ohio State-LSU, the BCS gave us only one other compelling game, Hawaii against Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. And that's because it has the potential to make life miserable for the mighty SEC.

It's impossible to overstate the importance of this game for the SEC. The league would never be able to live down a loss to Hawaii, particularly on SEC turf.

If you don't think Colt Brennan and the Warriors have a chance, think about Boise State. Funny things can happen when you give David a month to load up his slingshot.

The point is, anyone who cares about college football will be watching the Sugar on Jan. 1.

The other BCS bowls? Maybe not so much.

Does anyone really need to see USC wipe its cleats on Illinois in the Rose Bowl?

West Virginia-Oklahoma sounds more like a Greyhound bus itinerary than a Fiesta Bowl.

Virginia Tech and Kansas are in the Orange Bowl, but they ought to be playing on a Thursday night in September.

If there's any fallout from this year's BCS selection process, it won't be a playoff. But it could produce more support among conference commissioners for the so-called "plus one" model, which would create an additional game after the BCS bowls.

BCS coordinator Mike Slive, commissioner of the SEC, would like to see the concept be given full consideration, and that is likely to happen when the Football Bowl Subdivision commissioners meet next spring.

"Whether or not this year is good or bad for a so-called 'plus one,' I am still interested in exploring it in great detail," Slive said on a media conference call Sunday night.

Suppose there had been a "plus one" scheme this year. And suppose LSU, USC and Georgia all win their bowl games. You still can't squeeze three teams into one game.

Some years, the "plus one" could bring perfect clarity. Other years, it may simply re-ignite the same arguments one month later.

So what's the best thing to do about the BCS?

Accept that it's flawed, and understand that it's not permanent.

In that way, the BCS is no different from most of the other schemes used to create a national champion in a sport ruled by regional interests.

This much is certain: All the kvetching about the BCS can't diminish a fabulous season.

Think about it. The year began with Appalachian State walking into Ann Arbor and beating Michigan. It ended late on a December night, on an island in the Pacific Ocean, with Hawaii intercepting a last-gasp pass in the end zone to clinch a BCS berth. In between, Notre Dame lost to Navy and eight other teams.

Wonders never cease in college football. Unfortunately, neither does the whining.

Thank GOD for Andrew Bagnato of the Associated Press!

Phew...here I was thinking the BCS was worthless and there was no way a computer could figure out which team was better. I'm glad I found this article. I needed to be set straight.

:thumbsup: :rolleyes:

wildstangs
12-04-2007, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by 3afan
how did OSU "work the system" - they played their schedule - what else could they do?

They played a terrible non confence schedule. But that is what you have to do. Would be nice if the big dogs in college could schedule Ohio State, USC, Miami, and Florida every year, but unfortunately you wouldnt be rewarded for going 2-2. You might as well play Florida International, Akron, Directional Louisiana, and the Arkansas Tech Wonderboys.

Just my opinion, but Ohio State will be exposed by LSU. I think Florida, Georgia, USC, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Virginia Tech would all expose them as well though.

TexanFan4Life
12-04-2007, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by wildstangs
They played a terrible non confence schedule. But that is what you have to do. Would be nice if the big dogs in college could schedule Ohio State, USC, Miami, and Florida every year, but unfortunately you wouldnt be rewarded for going 2-2. You might as well play Florida International, Akron, Directional Louisiana, and the Arkansas Tech Wonderboys.

Just my opinion, but Ohio State will be exposed by LSU. I think Florida, Georgia, USC, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Virginia Tech would all expose them as well though.

Strength of schedule shouldn't matter one bit when ranking teams. The players play who's on their schedule. They can't control who they do/don't play.

Gobbla2001
12-04-2007, 11:34 PM
I wonder how much the BCS paid this dude to write this article???

then again, I lost about 5 years of my life trying to understand how this man was writing a pro-bcs article yet used anti-bcs material as if it'd help his cause:


This goofy season produced a sock drawer full of national title contenders. The Buckeyes and Tigers had the fewest holes in the toes.

that makes me feel confident that they got it right... "the fewest holes in the toes"... #1 that sounds stupid, #2 that IS stupid...


the computers whirred and wheezed and spit out an entirely reasonable pairing for the Bowl Championship Series title game

do I really need to go into why that doesn't help his arguement?


Accept that it's flawed

Doesn't your headline say "BCS system works"... most things that work are not flawed...

bleh....

Gobbla2001
12-04-2007, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by Gobbla2001
[B "the fewest holes in the toes"...
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LSU lost to two teams that are not ranked in the BCS top 25... would that only be "Two" holes in the toes?

wildstangs
12-04-2007, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by TexanFan4Life
Strength of schedule shouldn't matter one bit when ranking teams. The players play who's on their schedule. They can't control who they do/don't play.

So it would be ok for West Virginia to roll through a cream puff non conference schedule, eek out every win over their lousy Big East competition, and still deserve to go to the National Championship? If someone from the Big 12, SEC, and Pac 10 all had a tough loss, how is that fair to keep them out of the championship.

Playoffs solve all of this - Look at Texas. You might be able to go 10-0 in your lousy district and cake non district schedule, and then lose to a 3rd place team out of a good district.

Gobbla2001
12-04-2007, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by wildstangs


Playoffs solve all of this - Look at Texas. You might be able to go 10-0 in your lousy district and cake non district schedule, and then lose to a 3rd place team out of a good district.

of course...

wildstangs
12-04-2007, 11:54 PM
How about the UIL takes the BCS system. In one district you have Snyder, Clyde, Wylie, Sweetwater and Brownwood, i.e. the SEC. In another district you have Lubbock Roosevelt, Lamesa, Slaton, Brownfield and Lubbock Cooper, i.e. the Big East.

Anyone gonna be happy with a 9-1 Lubbock Cooper team going to the championship over a 7-3 Snyder team?

TexanFan4Life
12-05-2007, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by wildstangs
So it would be ok for West Virginia to roll through a cream puff non conference schedule, eek out every win over their lousy Big East competition, and still deserve to go to the National Championship? If someone from the Big 12, SEC, and Pac 10 all had a tough loss, how is that fair to keep them out of the championship.

Playoffs solve all of this - Look at Texas. You might be able to go 10-0 in your lousy district and cake non district schedule, and then lose to a 3rd place team out of a good district.

I know playoffs would solve all of this mess, but under the current BCS system strength of schedule shouldn't be relevant.

You mentioned WVU. Okay. On the same token, should 2004 Auburn have been in the Champ. game when they went undefeated? Yes. Why'd they get left out? Because they said USC played a tougher schedule, so they were more deserving.

It gets tricky if you have 3 or 4 undefeated teams.

That's why I think preseason rankings should be completely done away with.

trojan37
12-05-2007, 10:41 AM
I heard on the radio the other day that strength of schedule was not taken into consideration anymore. With that being said I believe Hawaii, yes Hawaii should get a shot at Ohio State. Before we go any further let me explain myself. Over the years how many upsets have there been in football? A ton. Over the past two years, there are two that stick out in my mind. Boise St. over Oklahoma last year which I absolutely loved that game, and Michigan getting beat by D2 Scratchurcrotchian St. right out of the gate this year. If a team plays D1 ball, and goes undefeated regardless of their schedule, I believe they deserve a shot at the big dog, whoever it may be. You never know what can happen.

JasperDog94
12-05-2007, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by trojan37
I heard on the radio the other day that strength of schedule was not taken into consideration anymore. With that being said I believe Hawaii, yes Hawaii should get a shot at Ohio State. Before we go any further let me explain myself. Over the years how many upsets have there been in football? A ton. Over the past two years, there are two that stick out in my mind. Boise St. over Oklahoma last year which I absolutely loved that game, and Michigan getting beat by D2 Scratchurcrotchian St. right out of the gate this year. If a team plays D1 ball, and goes undefeated regardless of their schedule, I believe they deserve a shot at the big dog, whoever it may be. You never know what can happen. You make an excellent point.