The A-11 Offense...is this legal???

[Adidas410s]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_vSSjCExSwwk/Rzedyq1eC2I/AAAAAAAAABI/IUvFmZeVtJc/s320/Screenshot_2.jpg

http://a11offense.blogspot.com/2007/11/what-is-a-11-offense.html

What do you think???

[big daddy russ]

Yeah. Florida used to use it back in the mid 90's during the Wuerffel days.

[kaorder1999]

I think its legal but only a certain few are eligible...

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

I think Iowa Park has used that in the past...Green Monster?

[kaorder1999]

i guess it also depends on whether it is a scrimmage kick or an offensive play....would hate to be an official in this one...

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
Yeah. Florida used to use it back in the mid 90's during the Wuerffel days.
Nevermind... I think there were actually two backs in that UF offense, but there were only three linemen.

[kaorder1999]

what are the arrows for?

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
http://bp1.blogger.com/_vSSjCExSwwk/Rzedyq1eC2I/AAAAAAAAABI/IUvFmZeVtJc/s320/Screenshot_2.jpg

http://a11offense.blogspot.com/2007/11/what-is-a-11-offense.html

What do you think???

by that alignment right there...the R and L are covered up by the X and Z

[whtfbplaya]

A,B,X,Z,1,2 are all eligible provided they are numbered correctly.

[kepdawg]

Why wouldn't it be legal? :thinking:

[whtfbplaya]

+ the qbs must be more than 7yards off the ball.

[Adidas410s]

I'm wondering how player eligibility. If the team is using this as their primary offense...I'm assuming that the players don't have to check in to the officials as eligible/ineligible every play. That would make it much easier for the defense to defend. I wonder if they play under NCAA rules in CA?

[TexanFan4Life]

There are 7 guys on the LOS. What's the problem?

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
I'm wondering how player eligibility. If the team is using this as their primary offense...I'm assuming that the players don't have to check in to the officials as eligible/ineligible every play. That would make it much easier for the defense to defend. I wonder if they play under NCAA rules in CA?

NCAA has no checking in. The defense just has to know who is ineligible. 50-79 cant be eligible.

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by whtfbplaya
NCAA has no checking in. The defense just has to know who is ineligible. 50-79 cant be eligible.

you'd think that if college kids could tell who is and who isn't eligible, they could do the same thing in the pros...

[jockcity33]

I think it is leagal but you would still have to have 5 guys numbered between 50 and 79.

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by jockcity33
I think it is leagal but you would still have to have 5 guys numbered between 50 and 79.
that is correct. At least 5

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by jockcity33
I think it is leagal but you would still have to have 5 guys numbered between 50 and 79.

Not if the qb is lined up more than 7 yards off the ball, they dont.

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
you'd think that if college kids could tell who is and who isn't eligible, they could do the same thing in the pros...

The reason they check in is that the pros allow them to be eligible with an ineligible number. In hs and college their are no exceptions.

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
http://bp1.blogger.com/_vSSjCExSwwk/Rzedyq1eC2I/AAAAAAAAABI/IUvFmZeVtJc/s320/Screenshot_2.jpg

http://a11offense.blogspot.com/2007/11/what-is-a-11-offense.html

What do you think???
Why wouldn't it be? The L and R are just linemen with 15 yard splits. Move the R and L right by U and Y the line and it's your basic spread formation.

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by Emerson1
Why wouldn't it be? The L and R are just linemen with 15 yard splits. Move the R and L right by U and Y the line and it's your basic spread formation.

Read the article.

[whtfbplaya]

After further thought and colaboration the play might be legal in some cases if it is obvious that a kick could occur. So 4&8- Maybe
1&10 not so much.

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by whtfbplaya
After further thought and colaboration the play might be legal in some cases if it is obvious that a kick could occur. So 4&8- Maybe
1&10 not so much.
I don't think down and distance can affect who and who isn't legal.

[VAMike]

When they line up in this formation it will NEVER be obvious a kick may be attempted so they do not get the numbering rule exception. Therefore, illegal always (NCAA)

And even if someone wants to argue that a kick might be obvious, once the players line up the numbering exception kicks in and the ineligibles muststay in ineligible positions from taht point forward

[DeeStroyer71]

Originally posted by whtfbplaya
+ the qbs must be more than 7yards off the ball.

no

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by DeeStroyer71
no

For the play to ever, ever, ever possibly be legal one of them must be at least 7 yards off the ball.

[whtfbplaya]

:D

[BwdLion_80]

Originally posted by VAMike
When they line up in this formation it will NEVER be obvious a kick may be attempted so they do not get the numbering rule exception. Therefore, illegal always (NCAA)

And even if someone wants to argue that a kick might be obvious, once the players line up the numbering exception kicks in and the ineligibles muststay in ineligible positions from taht point forward

Mike, are you saying that this formation is illegal? Or just as a kick formation numbering exception.

[VAMike]

They have to have 5 players numbered 50-79 on the LOS on all downs but there is an exception when a team is in a scrimmage kick formation. And in order to be in a scrimmage kick formation they have to have one player 7 or more yards behind the snapper, nobody in position to take a hand to hand snap and it must be obvious that a kick may be attempted. If they line up in this formation I do not think a kick is going to be attempted so they fail that requirement and therefore cannot have the exception.

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by VAMike
They have to have 5 players numbered 50-79 on the LOS on all downs but there is an exception when a team is in a scrimmage kick formation. And in order to be in a scrimmage kick formation they have to have one player 7 or more yards behind the snapper, nobody in position to take a hand to hand snap and it must be obvious that a kick may be attempted. If they line up in this formation I do not think a kick is going to be attempted so they fail that requirement and therefore cannot have the exception.
What if they punt from it a few times, then anytime they line up it could appear that they obviously might be punting.

[VAMike]

The more I think about this, the more perplexed I become. At the most, it could be legal in obvious punt situations. But I'll say this...if you argue that it should be legal then , then you have to also be prepared to give the "QB" protection as a kicker if he decides to kick from that formation. I would also make sure the crew was very very tight on formation legality, i.e. the players need to be lined up perfectly on the line or in the backfield or else they would be flagged for illegal formation.

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

Iowa Park has used something like this in the past. I recall it somewhat. Wen they lined up in this formation Vernon immediately called a timeout.

Greenmonster where are you? I'm sure he has seen this or a version of it out of the Hawks.

[kaorder1999]

HP used to do it a lot. They kept their lineman in and just split out the tackles....

[VAMike]

Did the linemen have linemen numbers or did they try to gum up the works by putting eligible numbers on them?

[kaorder1999]

Lineman were in lineman numbers

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

Same with Iowa Park. The Linemen wore linemen numbers but just split out in a weird formation similar to the one posted. Our defense did not know how to line up against them. Our chached called a time out. However they did it again and we were missaligned and I think they ended up picking up a good chunck of yards using that formation.

The Vernon coaches then tried to use it later in the playoffs (I think against Brady) and it did not work at all for us.

[VAMike]

If they were legally numbered then it would be somewhat easier to defense. The use of 11 players, all with eligible numbers, is what makes it a bit more difficult.

[GreenMonster]

Originally posted by Z motion 10 out on 2
I think Iowa Park has used that in the past...Green Monster? Yes, Iowa Park has indeed lined up in that formation in the recent past. They call it Crazy 8's. We ran it at City View this season in a couple of games. All men behind LOS are of course eligible and the 2 last men on the LOS are eligible. What appears to be the inside receiver is actually a tackle. We lined up in it to get the other team to burn a time out. After the time out we lined up conventionally then went back to it on the next play. It was great watching the other team scrambling around trying to figure out what was going on. We ran the inside bubble screen each way out of it as well as the outside bubble, option each way, dive, draw, sweep, shovel pass, it's amazing all of the things you can actually do out of this set.