Graham VS. Argyle

[wildstangs]

Who you got? I will take Argyle in the surprise.

[KTA]

depends on how both teams show up....litterally

[wildstangs]

Should be a close game. I just think if Graham doesn't play well in the first half then Argyle will be able to pin them back and eliminate the big plays.

I will say Argyle by three. Probably the best 3rd place team in Region 1.

[Cameron Crazy]

Graham will be there to play.

Dalharts qb could not escape the pocket or go anywhere tonight we were all back in there.

Argyle has a good qb and some recievers, I think this game is going to be good.

[KTA]

The big difference I noticed in the 2nd half is that Graham shut down Dalharts RB, Ive been preaching it all year long....Graham doesnt make and REAL adjustments until the 2nd half. :mad:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by KTA
The big difference I noticed in the 2nd half is that Graham shut down Dalharts RB, Ive been preaching it all year long....Graham doesnt make and REAL adjustments until the 2nd half. :mad:

Unfortunately, that "game plan" can bite you in the butt the further along you go!!

[garciap77]

I'll take Graham on this one. I think they will play a full game on this one. Graham plays better when they face better teams.

[cr180t]

Where and what time?

[Cameron Crazy]

next saturday 7:30pm at TSU.

[cr180t]

I thought it would be in the Fort Worth Area

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Cameron Crazy
next saturday 7:30pm at TSU.

COOL!! Maybe Jason can just keep the flag and he and KTA can arrange a meet and greet and talk about fantasy football!!!:D :D

I'm just kidding y'all......I think I have a mean streak tonight!!!:eek:

[Cameron Crazy]

I will sign it twice. :)

[rockdale80]

AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGyle.

[KTA]

Yeah I would LOVE to meet him :mad: :devil:

[BILLYFRED0000]

This is a game that I want to see the outcome. I still do not have a good feel for Graham. I know Argyle well. Good team well coached and we have lots of respect for the eagles. They have been the invitee for the Annual Bobcat barbeque for the first scrimmage. Love to see them and have them over. BTW, they are pretty good at round ball too. I think Graham should win but if Argyle is starting to peak well who knows.

[alaskacat]

Argyle will steam roll Graham. they come from a much better and tougher district

[garciap77]

How did you figure this out? So, Vernon and Burkburnett are weak teams? I don't think so.

[alaskacat]

It takes no figuring, they came from the same area as Celina,Prosper, royce City, and Wakeland. At one time they were all in the same district, or played each other. ThenArgyle was a threat as a young school now they are measurably better.

[Ranger Mom]

I know this is a last year game....but was it Argyle that played and the game was won in 4 OT's??

Or am I thinking about some other team??

If so, who was it and who did they play??

[garciap77]

I think Graham's Dist is tougher than Argyles'.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by alaskacat
It takes no figuring, they came from the same area as Celina,Prosper, royce City, and Wakeland. At one time they were all in the same district, or played each other. ThenArgyle was a threat as a young school now they are measurably better.

Ron you remember them quite well and they have seen some teams. However we scrimmaged them this year and this is not one of their better years. A good year and solid but not as good as 05 when they came within a couple of plays of winning d1 2a. Still, they are good enough to beat Graham if Graham is not very good. I think Argyle is a little suspect on defense. Wakeland put 43 on them and Wakeland is not a great offensive team. They put good numbers up on weak teams but against good Defenses like RC or us they really struggle to score. For Argyle to give up than many points is not good. I saw about a quarter of that game and Argyle was only average at d. Their O is good however. They did score 26 on Wakeland and RC found out Friday that Wakeland is a good D and held them to
21 with RC's last score coming with 56 seconds left in the fourth quarter.

[garciap77]

alaskacat
Tell me that Argyle played a tougher schedule than Graham.

Graham
/31/07 TBA @Greenwood (Midland, TX) W 20-0
9/7/07 TBA @Clyde (TX) W 12-0
9/14/07 TBA Wylie (Abilene, TX) W 29-23
9/21/07 TBA @Glen Rose (TX) W 34-16
9/28/07 TBA Monahans (TX) W 33-7
10/5/07 TBA Bishop Lynch (Dallas, TX) W 35-0
10/12/07 TBA Hirschi (Wichita Falls, TX) ** W 52-7
10/26/07 TBA @Iowa Park (TX) ** W 14-13
11/2/07 TBA Vernon (TX) ** L 10-17
11/9/07 7:30 PM @Burkburnett (TX) ** W 27-19

Argyle
@Iowa Park (TX) W 38-13
9/7/07 TBA Joshua (TX) W 45-28
9/14/07 TBA @Wakeland (Frisco, TX) L 26-43
9/21/07 TBA Whitewright (TX) W 63-7
9/28/07 TBA @Boyd (TX) W 56-38
10/12/07 TBA Bowie (TX) ** W 49-21
10/19/07 TBA @Gainesville (TX) ** W 61-7
10/26/07 TBA Bridgeport (TX) ** L 10-24
11/2/07 TBA @Decatur (TX) ** W 47-35
11/9/07 TBA Sanger (TX) ** W 41-6

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[Dominicfrank]

Arglye is for sure a tough team to have dominated Clyde like that so maybe he is right about the district. Clyde beat Vernon, played Graham tough, and almost beat Burk. We'll see. Graham hs a good D and can get to the QB. Only way the QB surives long enough to get passes off is if he is like Vernon's QB, a astud who is just faster than trevor Sparks, if not then goodnight Arglye.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by garciap77
I think Graham's Dist is tougher than Argyles'.

This year that would be true IMHO. Vernon, Burkburnett, Graham all make tough opponents. Celina can vouch for Vernon having seen them in the last couple of years. Tough hard hitting club.

[garciap77]

All I'm saying is that it will not be as easy as alaskacat thinks

Quote by alaskacat
(Argyle will steam roll Graham. they come from a much better and tougher district)

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by garciap77
All I'm saying is that it will not be as easy as alaskacat thinks

Quote by alaskacat
(Argyle will steam roll Graham. they come from a much better and tougher district)

I think that overall the districts are comparable with the edge going to Graham. But IP was a common opponent
and Graham struggled with them where Argyle did not. Graham has a weak O IMHO. By weak I mean in relation to a lot of the teams still standing. It comes down to the fact that it is strength on strength.
Can Argyle play enough D to stop Graham.
They stopped Clyde. If they can stop Graham it will be close and Argyle might pull out the upset. I would say that Argyle has to be a 10 point underdog.

[garciap77]

Well said! Wylie beat IP with ease, but then lost to Graham. Then had a hard time vs Clyde who Arygle beat by 17. So who knows.

Wylie
@Brownwood (TX) L 21-28
9/7/07 TBA Iowa Park (TX) W 42-5
9/14/07 TBA @Graham (TX) L 23-29
9/21/07 TBA @Big Spring (TX) W 61-14
9/28/07 TBA Frenship (Wolfforth, TX) W 36-7
10/5/07 TBA Wimberley (TX) W 34-7
10/12/07 TBA Clyde (TX) ** W 28-27
10/26/07 TBA @Sweetwater (TX) ** W 26-7
11/2/07 TBA Breckenridge (TX) ** W 63-35
11/9/07 TBA @Comanche (TX) ** W 47-0
11/16/07 TBA vs Decatur (TX) (Graham)**** W 46-16[B]

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I know this is a last year game....but was it Argyle that played and the game was won in 4 OT's??

Or am I thinking about some other team??

If so, who was it and who did they play??

*Note to self*
If everyone ignores your question, use the search engine and find it yourself!!!:D :D

Graham vs. Sanger......now I remember why that game stuck in my head...we played the winner of it!!

[garciap77]

Did you win?

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by garciap77
Did you win?

Yes....and got beat out the next week by Vernon!

[garciap77]

Them Lions are tough! Score 19 - 0 Right now!

[STANG RED]

I certainly dont buy that Argyles district was all that tough. 2 of the 3 reps from that district got thumped pretty good last night.
Argyle may very well beat Graham, but I just dont think the tough district argument has any merit to base it on.

[block&tackle]

Originally posted by STANG RED
I certainly dont buy that Argyles district was all that tough. 2 of the 3 reps from that district got thumped pretty good last night.
Argyle may very well beat Graham, but I just dont think the tough district argument has any merit to base it on.
I'm with you on this one. That has been a good district in the recent past but with Decatur being down and Gainesville being out, it is mediocre at best.

I don't know much about either but from what it sound like, it will come down to whether Argyle can protect Harp from what sounds like is a pretty mean Graham pass rush.

[VWG]

If you look at Graham's schedule they haven't really played a true spread team like Argyle. WF Hirschi runs the spread but nowhere near like Argyle can. Harp from Argyle was NTX leading passer for schools reporting to the FW Star Telegram, and that included Riley Dodge from SLC. While Argyle relies mostly on Harp for offense, Graham has been pretty balanced. Averaging 180 on the ground and 186 in the air.
Argyle was my sleeper pick to win Region I, so I am sticking with them. They played a tough Clyde team and shut them out, and if they can put McCoy in tough passing situations then Graham is in trouble.
J.J. Harp is probably the best QB in Region I, DI or DII.

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by KTA
Yeah I would LOVE to meet him :mad: :devil:


Look at you so big and tough.....dang:crazy:

[lion75]

Originally posted by alaskacat
Argyle will steam roll Graham. they come from a much better and tougher district That's funny right there. Our 4th place team from our district whipped Bridgeport 21-7. So how could you possibly have a better district. Please educate yourself.

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by lion75
Please educate yourself.

:D :D

I don't know why that struck me as funny....but it did!!:clap:

[lion75]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
:D :D

I don't know why that struck me as funny....but it did!!:clap: Thank you, RMom.

[alaskacat]

Mark my words JJ Harp will will pick Graham apart...Playing a spread like this which Graham hasnt seen much of ,will be sort of like Celina Playing Gilmer afew years ago when they had never seen the spread, it gave them fits...but then Gilmer was exceptional too.

The Spread is tough to defend at best, and Argyle has just enough other weapons to keep you real honest. Their pass protection is pretty good, but Harp dont need all day, throw the ball short and let um run with it.

Passing
Player, school Gms. C-A-I Yds. Avg. TD
Richard Morrison, Royse City 11 222-310-6 3158 10.2 31
JJ Harp, Argyle 11 200-284-7 3048 10.7 31
Kolton Browning, Mabank 10 193-334-10 2495 7.5 23
Michael Enriquez, Quinlan Ford 10 151-255-13 2367 9.3 19
Zach Williams, Melissa 11 118-190-4 2070 10.9 24
Will Secord, Frisco Wakeland 11 147-248-5 2019 8.1 23
Hunter Nix, Prosper 11 111-205-8 1972 9.6 17
Vincent McNeil, Jr., Roosevelt 11 109-178-5 1596 9.0 30
Landon Allen, Commerce 8 97-157-8 1460 9.3 7
Tanner Miller, Sanger 9 104-214-15 1219 5.7 9
Seth Davis, Celina 11 80-133-8 1190 8.9 7
Ethan Stuckly, Pilot Point 10 75-147-8 1149 7.8 7
Tayler Jones, Crandall 10 96-192-14 1092 5.7 3
Kyle Gordon, Scurry-Rosser 6 84-174-12 1058 6.1 7
Austin Brooks, Farmersville 11 50-92-1 1054 11.5 10
Anibal Renteria, Life School Oak Cliff 8 60-133-9 800 6.0 4
Jarrett Stone, Palmer 11 40-87-3 756 8.7 9
Casey Bell, Canton 3 77-86-3 709 8.2 6
Grant Henry, Aubrey 9 52-108-7 701 6.5 6
Tyler Lynch, Carrollton Ranchview 10 37-99-7 649 6.6 6
Tanner Marshall, Nevada Community 7 26-71-5 649 9.1 2
Chris Hight, Madison 6 36-65-4 640 9.8 7
BJ Dale, Nevada Community 5 37-71-4 566 8.0 3
Angel Reyna, Lake Worth 4 38-73-3 523 7.2 3
Matt Carr, Kemp 6 32-77-3 496 6.4 5



Receiving
Player, school Gms. No. Yds. Avg. TD
Ryan Morgan, Melissa 10 49 968 19.8 12
Carlos Gallegos, Royse City 11 52 952 18.3 13
Brady Brown, Argyle 11 81 947 11.7 10
Matt Handler, Argyle 11 49 900 18.4 12
Darius Davis, Frisco Wakeland 11 41 822 20.0 13
Dewayne Hamilton, Mabank 10 49 792 16.2 6
Cory Miller, Prosper 11 37 791 21.4 9
Stoney Patton, Scurry-Rosser 9 57 734 12.9 7
JT Thompson, Royse City 11 51 699 13.7 3
Elias Kawesa, Royse City 10 38 682 17.9 8
Taylor Thompson, Prosper 11 42 665 15.8 7
Tyler Northcutt, Quinlan Ford 9 35 665 19.0 6
Quintell Solomon, Roosevelt 10 39 640 16.4 13
Haydon Blair, Mabank 10 59 631 10.7 6
Cale Barnes, Crandall 10 46 623 13.5 1
Charlie Cottrell, Melissa 11 39 620 15.9 8
Justin McGuffey, Argyle 11 26 602 23.2 6
Corey Saunders, Quinlan Ford 10 36 597 16.6 4
Scott Shuman, Sanger 8 35 581 16.6 4
Bobby Draughn, Commerce 8 31 508 16.4 2
Mike Jones, Scurry-Rosser 7 33 468 14.2 1
Derek Hines, Commerce 6 26 456 17.5 3
Quincy Roberts, Farmersville 10 20 455 22.8 8
Antonio Dennard, Frisco Wakeland 11 29 441 15.2 3
TJ Barnes, Palmer 9 13 437 33.6 6

[lion75]

You may be right about Graham having trouble against the spread and Harp. Graham likes to load up and stop the run. I don't dispute that. But top to bottom our district is stronger than Argyles IMO. I only take issue with that.

[garciap77]

Nothing gets past RMon!

[cr180t]

Originally posted by lion75
You may be right about Graham having trouble against the spread and Harp. Graham likes to load up and stop the run. I don't dispute that. But top to bottom our district is stronger than Argyles IMO. I only take issue with that.

With all 3 still in and the scores I think a lot of people will have to agree with you. How tough your district is that is

[BILLYFRED0000]

So back to the topic. Argyle or Graham?

[firstdown]

Someone from Clyde please respond. You have had the pleasure of playing both teams...

[Matthew328]

I'm gonna be at this game Sat....gotta take Graham

[sweetwater07]

anyone started a M&G at this game?? i might actually be in Stephenville this saturday night

[DaHop72]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
anyone started a M&G at this game?? i might actually be in Stephenville this saturday night Nobody wants to me you. :devil: :devil:

[sweetwater07]

Originally posted by DaHop72
Nobody wants to me you. :devil: :devil:


haha w/e Hop, i believe i've shaken your hand at least twice....

sounds like your jealous someone else will be able to experience the awesomeness surrounding me..lol

[DaHop72]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
haha w/e Hop, i believe i've shaken your hand at least twice....

sounds like your jealous someone else will be able to experience the awesomeness surrounding me..lol http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/377/hystericalmn4.gif (http://imageshack.us)http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/377/hystericalmn4.gif (http://imageshack.us)http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/377/hystericalmn4.gif (http://imageshack.us)http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/377/hystericalmn4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[MarginalTalent]

What is Argyle's mascot? The Socks? (just kidding, but would like to know)

[VWG]

Originally posted by MarginalTalent
What is Argyle's mascot? The Socks? (just kidding, but would like to know)

Eagles. School sits in SW Denton County, and hasn't been around for a long time. I think the school is about 10-15 years old.

[sweetwater07]

Originally posted by DaHop72
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haha don't hate

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by VWG
Eagles. School sits in SW Denton County, and hasn't been around for a long time. I think the school is about 10-15 years old.

The football program is even younger. 6 years I think. They were in our district in 04 and 05. 04 state quarters large school and in 05 runners up to Newton. A couple of more plays and they might have won. It was a good game. We scrimmaged them last year and this year.
Good school kids and program. We like them and pull for them when we can.

[RedWhiteBlue]

All I have been hearing is how Graham doesn't have a great deal of experience against the spread defensively. However, their coaches have a great deal of experience with the spread offensively- so they will be ready for whatever you have. But go ahead and look past us Argyle- that sooooo
works to our advantage.....
By the way the game is at 7:00 pm, 7:30 pm.......

[firstdown]

Originally posted by RedWhiteBlue
All I have been hearing is how Graham doesn't have a great deal of experience against the spread defensively. However, their coaches have a great deal of experience with the spread offensively- so they will be ready for whatever you have. But go ahead and look past us Argyle- that sooooo
works to our advantage.....
By the way the game is at 7:00 pm, 7:30 pm.......

Who said Argyle was looking past Graham? I think we are the underdog. You guys come out of a stronger district and have way more tradition and experience and are battle tested to boot. We just got started at this high school thing 7 years ago. Good luck Sat. @ 7:00

[VWG]

Wish I would have owned some land around Argyle about 10 years ago... with the mineral rights!

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by RedWhiteBlue
All I have been hearing is how Graham doesn't have a great deal of experience against the spread defensively. However, their coaches have a great deal of experience with the spread offensively- so they will be ready for whatever you have. But go ahead and look past us Argyle- that sooooo
works to our advantage.....
By the way the game is at 7:00 pm, 7:30 pm.......

Yes but the coaches are not going to be playing. Argyle is faster than most of the teams you have faced. Your problem will be scoring points. If you cannot score I can garauntee you Argyle probably will. This game will be tough for Graham. That said I still think Coach McCoy will figure it out and Graham should win.

[RedWhiteBlue]

I agree Fred........ that is where the knowledge of the game comes in to play. Speed or no speed. Remember defense helps sometimes, too.

[wtxfootball08]

Originally posted by firstdown
Someone from Clyde please respond. You have had the pleasure of playing both teams...


Well it's a test for graham because graham is alot like us; they love defending the run, and haven't played a passing team like Argyle. You do have to get pressure on JJ, but its not all about that because Harp doesn't need that long to get the pass off, because if he did they would be at home and we would still be practicing, unfortunately our Secondary couldn't stop numbers 24 and 9 i believe--and if graham is in that situation then i will safely say Argyle by 10 +. However, I don't think graham will be in that situation because Graham has a very talented; hard hitting D that will step it up this week in the secondary, plus a good offense and they aren't 1 dimensional like Argyle is; if the pass doesn't work this week(which it will) then the run will!

Graham by 14

good luck steers

[SNYDER325TIGERS]

I think Argyle was the sleeping team in the regular season, now that playoffs have come...they are the real deal. It reminds me of how Vernon was last year.

[nobogey72]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Yes but the coaches are not going to be playing. Argyle is faster than most of the teams you have faced. Your problem will be scoring points. If you cannot score I can garauntee you Argyle probably will. This game will be tough for Graham. That said I still think Coach McCoy will figure it out and Graham should win.

GUARANTEE you that Argyle PROBABLY will? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by nobogey72
GUARANTEE you that Argyle PROBABLY will? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Probably will score points. Graham plays solid D but you do not run into many QB's like the one you are going to face. He is pretty good at getting the ball out. Unless your pass defense is sharp he probably will put points on the board. Now Graham has had issues scoring. Will that continue is the real question for this game..

[nobogey72]

I was just jacking with you. My point was...... how do you "GUARANTEE" that something is "PROBABLY" going to happen? Never mind......I think the concept may be over your head.:D :D :D :D :D

[SNYDER325TIGERS]

Argyle will win by 12

[VWG]

If it's cold and drizzly for this game, which team will have a harder time adjusting?

[SNYDER325TIGERS]

Originally posted by VWG
If it's cold and drizzly for this game, which team will have a harder time adjusting?

I'd say Graham

[lion75]

Originally posted by SNYDER325TIGERS
I'd say Vernon wrong thread

[SNYDER325TIGERS]

Originally posted by lion75
wrong thread

Yeah my bad bro.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by nobogey72
I was just jacking with you. My point was...... how do you "GUARANTEE" that something is "PROBABLY" going to happen? Never mind......I think the concept may be over your head.:D :D :D :D :D

Well I speak two languages. English and
Bad english. Yeah ya got me on that one.

[Budman007]

Tremendous respect for Graham and Coach McCoy, but Argyle wins 20-14.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by VWG
If it's cold and drizzly for this game, which team will have a harder time adjusting?

Usually favors the slower team. ground is a little slicker and so is the ball. Speed and finesse lose a little edge. Right now looks like it will be cool but maybe not too wet. Probably not enough to affect the game.

[RMAC]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Usually favors the slower team. ground is a little slicker and so is the ball. Speed and finesse lose a little edge. Right now looks like it will be cool but maybe not too wet. Probably not enough to affect the game.

What everybody's forgetting is McCoy came in running the spread. My sr. year, it was like 85/15 pass/run. From what I've heard this year, it's more like 55/45 or even 50/50. This team is the most balanced team that Graham has had in over a decade. This year they have a pretty stout D. I'm looking forward to this game on Satuday as it will be the first one of the year for me. I won't make any predictions because I haven't seen either team play. As far as the weather, IF it does get wet, I give the edge to Graham as they run much more that Argyle and don't have to rely on the pass which tends to get ugly when it gets wet outside.

[lion75]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Usually favors the slower team. ground is a little slicker and so is the ball. Speed and finesse lose a little edge. Right now looks like it will be cool but maybe not too wet. Probably not enough to affect the game. . I'll take big AND fast over big and slow

[RMAC]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Usually favors the slower team. ground is a little slicker and so is the ball. Speed and finesse lose a little edge. Right now looks like it will be cool but maybe not too wet. Probably not enough to affect the game.

Just checked the weather on Saturday for the 'ville and they're calling for a high of 46 w/ a 70% chance of rain. Looks like this one will get REALLY fun.

[lion75]

Originally posted by RMAC
Just checked the weather on Saturday for the 'ville and they're calling for a high of 46 w/ a 70% chance of rain. Looks like this one will get REALLY fun. If it's wet and windy, Graham wins easily.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by lion75
If it's wet and windy, Graham wins easily.

Yes that will affect that game greatly. If it is raining and windy passing in the spread will be tough. Advantage Graham.

[Who-dun-it!!?]

Graham 38-10

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by Who-dun-it!!?
Graham 38-10

Graham will not score 38....

In bad conditions look for a low scoring game with Graham winning 14 -7 or 21 10.
If the wind is not too bad then Argyle can get untracked a little.