Giddings or Caldwell? Who has BEST offense?

[CowboyBillWatts]

I haven't seen any of them yet, BUT I heard from a reliable source that even though Giddings may have the better TEAM to this point of the season, CALDWELL is the BETTER Offense! Is this true???

[TripleH]

Originally posted by CowboyBillWatts
I haven't seen any of them yet I think from reading since you came on here that maybe you know alot more than you try and make people believe. It would appear that maybe you are trying to stir the pot.:thinking:

[CowboyBillWatts]

that is not my intention with this question. Again, I have NOT seen Caldwell or Giddings. I am from SE Texas the home of West Orange Stark. I honestly heard from someone in your district that the BETTER of the two offenses between Giddings and Caldwell is Caldwell. Giddings OF COURSE has the better defense and better TEAM up to this point. I have no loyalty to Giddings or Caldwell or WOS for that matter.

[Adidas410s]

statistics say Caldwell has the better offense...

the scoreboard says otherwise...

Giddings 21
Caldwell 7

Oct 26, 2007

[CowboyBillWatts]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
statistics say Caldwell has the better offense...

the scoreboard says otherwise...

Giddings 21
Caldwell 7

Oct 26, 2007

I know what the scoreboard said, that's irrelvant to my question. Because Giddings' offense doesn't have to play against it's own defense. So, when you use a COMMON opponent then you're saying Caldwell is better statistically. Where do you find those stats? Also, why did Giddings' offense only score three times against Caldwell's defense? The big glaring fact I see here is that GIDDINGS is dominant on defense and CALDWELL is dominant than GIDDINGS on offense (against COMMON opponents).

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by CowboyBillWatts
I know what the scoreboard said, that's irrelvant to my question. Because Giddings' offense doesn't have to play against it's own defense. So, when you use a COMMON opponent then you're saying Caldwell is better statistically. Where do you find those stats? Also, why did Giddings' offense only score three times against Caldwell's defense? The big glaring fact I see here is that GIDDINGS is dominant on defense and CALDWELL is dominant than GIDDINGS on offense (against COMMON opponents).

Sounds like you've made up your mind already then.

Here are the numbers as far as points go. However, when you're blowing out a team...one of the biggest factors that comes into play is field position. Obviously, if you're only going 40 yards instead of 70 yards...you're likely to score more points.

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/5/11/16/f_caldwellvgim_5690333.gif

What the numbers show me is that the talk of who has the "better offense" is a wash. Give Giddings the same number of points against Navasota and they're averaging 43.0 points per game. Both teams have good offenses...and it's a fair assumption to say that Giddings has the better defense. Fair enough???

[CowboyBillWatts]

That's why I love this site: People aren't jerks for the most part. You ask a legitimate question and you get legitimate answers. Thanks for the info on both teams!

How about the following scenario: If Giddings and Caldwell win, and WOS and Kirbyville win then you have some outstanding matchups next week!

Man, I love playoffs!

[BURNT ORANGE HORNET 86]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
Sounds like you've made up your mind already then.

Here are the numbers as far as points go. However, when you're blowing out a team...one of the biggest factors that comes into play is field position. Obviously, if you're only going 40 yards instead of 70 yards...you're likely to score more points.

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/5/11/16/f_caldwellvgim_5690333.gif

What the numbers show me is that the talk of who has the "better offense" is a wash. Give Giddings the same number of points against Navasota and they're averaging 43.0 points per game. Both teams have good offenses...and it's a fair assumption to say that Giddings has the better defense. Fair enough??? you # are wrong for Smithville & LaGrange Caldwell gave up 14 in both games

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by BURNT ORANGE HORNET 86
you # are wrong for Smithville & LaGrange Caldwell gave up 14 in both games

oops you're right. Keyed the numbers wrong. I didn't save that spreadsheet...but Caldwell's average should be 18.2 points. Thanks for pointing that out.

[BURNT ORANGE HORNET 86]

Caldwell

TEAM STATISTICS
POINTS FOR POINTS AGAINST
342 171



PASSING STATISTICS
NUMBER | NAME COMP ATT YDS INT TD
4 Scott Ofczarzak 22 45 377 1 3
12 Trenton Sims 2 6 31 0 1
2 Randel Lister 0 1 0 0 0
TEAM TOTALS 24 52 408 1 4

RUSHING STATISTICS
NUMBER | NAME ATT YDS TD LONG
34 Xavier Canto 148 1662 19 -
23 Farrin Sims 126 869 16 -
4 Scott Ofczarzak 58 432 3 -
7 Nelson Scott 40 289 1 -
3 Zo Hawkins 7 55 0 -
2 Randel Lister 15 53 0 -
Mark Junek 5 26 0 -
20 Kevin Landolt 4 19 0 -
Kysan Woolverton 5 15 0 -
12 Trenton Sims 6 4 1 -
TEAM TOTALS 414 3424 40 0

RECEIVING STATISTICS
NUMBER | NAME REC YDS TD
32 Eli Gage 8 144 2
2 Randel Lister 7 114 1
34 Xavier Canto 3 98 1
7 Nelson Scott 4 47 0
23 Farrin Sims 2 5 0
TEAM TOTALS 24 408 4

Giddings

TEAM STATISTICS
POINTS FOR POINTS AGAINST
339 111



PASSING STATISTICS
NUMBER | NAME COMP ATT YDS INT TD
Brock Fitzhenry 4 17 109 1 2
TEAM TOTALS 4 17 109 1 2

RUSHING STATISTICS
NUMBER | NAME ATT YDS TD LONG
Brock Fitzhenry 193 1662 24 -
Shane Jenke 103 740 5 -
Alan Dock 20 250 5 -
Quinn Taylor 19 181 2 -
CJ Brooks 22 162 1 -
David Bradshaw 9 95 3 -
Eric Rimes 2 22 0 -
Brite 1 11 - -
TEAM TOTALS 369 3123 40 0

RECEIVING STATISTICS
NUMBER | NAME REC YDS TD
CJ Brooks 1 36 1
Jonathan Locke 1 34 1
Xavier Daniels 1 33 0
Marcellus Mack 1 6 0
TEAM TOTALS 4 109 2

[buff4ever]

This probably has happened to caldwell too, but semi misleading in the numbers is that our defense didn't give up 6 against bellvilleat all (that was on the offense) and atleast 7 others were after a turn over inside our 15 against la grange.

[Panther One]

Accounting for defenisive and special teams scores both by these two teams and their opponents, you get the following scoring averages.

Giddings: 34.2-12.6
Caldwell: 41.0-16.8

And to go a step deeper, here are the average yards per game, both for and against, using their common opponents.

Giddings: 385.0-242.8
Caldwell: 443.6-273.2

And in head to head competition, we have the following (yards-points)

Giddings: 302-21
Caldwell: 321-7

There are the stats, so decide for yourself. Keep in mind, however, that there are numerous other factors involved, like special teams. One of Giddings' scores that I removed was a punt return for a td. Special teams can set up short fields, reducing offensive yards for yourself or for your opponent if you have bad special teams. Good defenses can also create better field position, again decreasing offensive yards. Then you have games like Caldwell vs La Grange where it was 42-0 at halftime and Caldwell threw in the subs. So what yardage and points have come against these teams' second teams, and what offensive production is lost because of subbing? And of course, teams match up differently to other teams.

Based on my numbers, I'll make the generalized statement that Caldwell has had a more productive offense this year both in yardage and points, while Giddings has the better defense.

[Old Tiger]

LH :D

[Daddy D 11]

amen to that blue.

But from what little film ive seen on the two, i would have to say giddings has more threats. Fitzhenry himself is a bigger threat IMO than the Hornet backfield as a whole. But one person can be shut down, and hopefully, hopefully the hornets are the ones to do it! :D

[buff4life]

Luckily it takes enough of the defense to stop our ONE person that other people are opened up...Dock and others...

[State_In_08]

All I can say is that from what I saw in the Caldwell v. Navasota game, Caldwell's offense appeared to be way more explosive than Giddings. The combo of Canto and Sims impressed me more than Fitzhenry and his role players.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by State_In_08
All I can say is that from what I saw in the Caldwell v. Navasota game, Caldwell's offense appeared to be way more explosive than Giddings. The combo of Canto and Sims impressed me more than Fitzhenry and his role players. If you thought Caldwell's offense is explosive you oughta see LH for real 08.

[State_In_08]

Originally posted by Go Blue
If you thought Caldwell's offense is explosive you oughta see LH for real 08.

If we play against Jasper/Splendora like we did last night against Needville, we'll get to see them close up in the 3rd round.

[giddingsblazer2]

who cares about whose offense is better......YOUR OFFENSE is not the ONLY thing that WINS GAMES......i think this should explain that giddings 21- caldwell 7

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by State_In_08
If we play against Jasper/Splendora like we did last night against Needville, we'll get to see them close up in the 3rd round. Not good for yall :(

[State_In_08]

Originally posted by Go Blue
Not good for yall :(

I've got faith... Our offense is as explosive as any team in our bracket, my opinion. And our defense proved it's not as bad as everyone seemed to think.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by State_In_08
I've got faith... Our offense is as explosive as any team in our bracket, my opinion. And our defense proved it's not as bad as everyone seemed to think. Not knocking your team at all but LH is GOOD! :D


haha I'm their bandwagon fan. ;)

[buff4life]

Originally posted by Go Blue
Not knocking your team at all but LH is GOOD! :D


haha I'm their bandwagon fan. ;)

you make it too obvious...

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by buff4life
you make it too obvious... Don't be jealous cause of what happened last year:rolleyes: :p

[State_In_08]

Originally posted by Go Blue
Not knocking your team at all but LH is GOOD! :D


haha I'm their bandwagon fan. ;)

That's ok. I'd rather be the underdog anyways... It's always better when you knock off the big dogs. :evilgrin:

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by State_In_08
That's ok. I'd rather be the underdog anyways... It's always better when you knock off the big dogs. :evilgrin: ah snap.

[buff4life]

Originally posted by Go Blue
Don't be jealous cause of what happened last year:rolleyes: :p

alright...not at all

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by buff4life
alright...not at all alright