Why doesn't UIL

[Johnny 5]

Just combine districts? It is really dumb having 3-5 teams in each district.

[burnet44]

travel
and region numbers for playoffs

[3afan]

its more complicated than you can imagine

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by 3afan
its more complicated than you can imagine

I would love to sit in on the meetings when they are crunching the
numbers.:D

[Johnny Utah]

In my opinion, in 3a for sure, you will see larger districts once realignment comes out in Feb. JMO.

[sinton66]

Originally posted by Johnny 5
Just combine districts? It is really dumb having 3-5 teams in each district.

More districts = more playoff games = more $$$$.

[3afan]

66 - don't tell me you hung up on that all about the $ blah ??? :confused:

its so easy to say that ... have you (generic "you") ever looked into the real UIL budget? what it cost to run the state academic/drama/band/etc. events? those that produce practically no revenue? i have ... its pretty amazing what it costs

[sinton66]

Originally posted by 3afan
66 - don't tell me you hung up on that all about the $ blah ??? :confused:

its so easy to say that ... have you (generic "you") ever looked into the real UIL budget? what it cost to run the state academic/drama/band/etc. events? those that produce practically no revenue? i have ... its pretty amazing what it costs

And this is NOT motivation to get the money where they can?

[3afan]

who knows ... maybe its actually about having a more equitable playoff system for all classes? maybe its about making the 3A top/bottom enrollment max more equitable to the other classes?

unless someone is in the room then its all speculation. it just bugs me a little (can you tell? :p ) when the "misinformed" (for lack of a better word) just throw the "all about the $" cliche' out there. and, I am one of the misinformed because I havent been in the room, but I have spoken to several UIL reps/employees about realignment at past state softball meetings so I know a little on the subject.

OK, so I'm cranky - I've been doing manual labor all morning ... :D

[STANG RED]

Originally posted by 3afan
66 - don't tell me you hung up on that all about the $ blah ??? :confused:

its so easy to say that ... have you (generic "you") ever looked into the real UIL budget? what it cost to run the state academic/drama/band/etc. events? those that produce practically no revenue? i have ... its pretty amazing what it costs

I do still think its partially $ motivated. With football probably being the UILs biggest cash cow, I'm sure they take $ into consideration. Especiall when all those others you mention dont bring in a cent. They have to make all they can from the few places that actually generate it. Makes sense to me.

[3afan]

of course they take possible $ into consideration, but its never the prime motivation for what the UIL does.

and remember - the UIL can't do much without the schools approving it.

[ronwx5x]

I'm a little (maybe more than a little) confused. Other than perhaps some small percentage of gate revenues, what does the UIL receive? If you deduce that the UIL may be influenced by large rich districts, maybe I could understand the $ inference. Otherwise I know of no monetary motivation the UIL may have. Help me out here.

[sinton66]

Originally posted by ronwx5x
I'm a little (maybe more than a little) confused. Other than perhaps some small percentage of gate revenues, what does the UIL receive? If you deduce that the UIL may be influenced by large rich districts, maybe I could understand the $ inference. Otherwise I know of no monetary motivation the UIL may have. Help me out here.

small percentage????? Isn't it something like 20%?

[Gobbla2001]

a lot of it has to do with travel... then if you put about 12 teams or so in a district then the playoff system must change because of high quality teams not making the playoffs because the district could be so top-heavy...

[sinton66]

Something like 600+ playoff games a year times their percentage is not a small amount.

[3afan]

I believe its 15%

[Gobbla2001]

whether it be 15, 20 or whatever percent, that means 80 to 85% of it isn't going to the UIL... more teams in the playoffs means more teams make more money themselves, improving a lot of the athletic departments in the state...

[3afan]

good point ......

[sinton66]

I'm not saying it was THE motivation, merely A motivation.

Say avg 5000 attendance x avg $5.00/ticket x 0.15 x 600 games = approx. $2,250,000 per year. Small change, huh?

I'm also well aware of how it helps more school's programs too. BUT, it has watered down the playoff system badly. Teams that do not belong in the playoffs get there now. Point of reference, Sinton was 4-6 and got trounced 48-0 in the first round. I don't remember anybody ever hanging a 48 point deficit on Sinton in a playoff game before last year. Taints some long standing traditions.

[Gobbla2001]

Originally posted by sinton66
I'm not saying it was THE motivation, merely A motivation.

Say avg 5000 attendance x avg $5.00/ticket x 0.15 x 600 games = approx. $2,250,000 per year. Small change, huh?

look at what all the UIL pays for... it could be money, but not because of greed, but because of wanting to operate at its best potential...

look at this:

look at this link: http://www.uil.utexas.edu/policy/pdf/04_05%20financial_report.pdf

[sinton66]

I'm not arguing they don't have legitimate expenses. Just saying the $$$ is ONE reason it's NOT going to change.

[Bull Butter]

Up until the mid-80's, 4A(which was 3A prior to 1980) only had 16 districts. Something like that wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility in AAA, but I imagine you would have some really spread-out districts, especially in west Texas.

[ronwx5x]

Originally posted by sinton66
I'm not saying it was THE motivation, merely A motivation.

Say avg 5000 attendance x avg $5.00/ticket x 0.15 x 600 games = approx. $2,250,000 per year. Small change, huh?

I'm also well aware of how it helps more school's programs too. BUT, it has watered down the playoff system badly. Teams that do not belong in the playoffs get there now. Point of reference, Sinton was 4-6 and got trounced 48-0 in the first round. I don't remember anybody ever hanging a 48 point deficit on Sinton in a playoff game before last year. Taints some long standing traditions.

I have to believe it costs the UIL more than they receive to put on any game. Even a good 5A playoff matchup might have 10,000 in attendance. At 20% of the receipts, say $7 per ticket, the UIL's share would be $14,000. I doubt that is profitable, but it is not my knowledge speaking, just opinion.

I also am sincerely sceptical that the average attendance at all games is 5000. Maybe half the teams average 5000, but A, AA and 6 man, no way. and thats close to half the games played.

[3afan]

what expenses does the UIL have ???

the team pay for the stadium, officials, etc.

[Johnny 5]

Originally posted by 3afan
what expenses does the UIL have ???

the team pay for the stadium, officials, etc.

That is my question as well.

The teams pay for EVERYTHING

I can understand travel. But the 2A and 1A districts in west TX are humongous and waaaaaay spread out. They can afford it, why wouldn't a 3A be able to?

[sinton66]

Originally posted by ronwx5x
I have to believe it costs the UIL more than they receive to put on any game. Even a good 5A playoff matchup might have 10,000 in attendance. At 20% of the receipts, say $7 per ticket, the UIL's share would be $14,000. I doubt that is profitable, but it is not my knowledge speaking, just opinion.

I also am sincerely sceptical that the average attendance at all games is 5000. Maybe half the teams average 5000, but A, AA and 6 man, no way. and thats close to half the games played.

Shoot dude, Burnet brings 20,000 to every game.:D

(for you non-comedy professionals, that's known as a "throw-back")

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by 3afan
what expenses does the UIL have ???

the team pay for the stadium, officials, etc.
Just looking at the financial report, after salaries, the majority of the expenses are for UIL events NOT football related: one-act play, academic competition, state tournaments, etc.

[3afan]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
...... NOT football related: one-act play, academic competition, state tournaments, etc.

and most non-revenue producing .....

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by 3afan
and most non-revenue producing .....
Which makes it about money (in a round-about way) ;)

[3afan]

yes, in a round about way ............. but most (not all!) folks that say "its all about the $" with respect to the UIL dont have a clue about any of that, they just say it for the hell of it

[necks_c/09]

who cares?

atleast we dont have a HS bcs poll


complain about college not HS.....


the main thing i wanna see if even districts



24 has 8 teams and multiple have only 4....



how fair is that?

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by necks_c/09
who cares?

atleast we dont have a HS bcs poll


complain about college not HS.....


the main thing i wanna see if even districts



24 has 8 teams and multiple have only 4....



how fair is that?
WC can join the 4-team district with Wimberley, Ingram, Bandera & Llano. :)

[sinton66]

How about the UIL puts West Columbia in Greenwood's 4 team district?

[necks_c/09]

Nobody said we had to move...


but when we play Columbus tonight and thats like a 2 hr drive....


when bellville is like 20 min away......



columbia- 90 miles

bellville-maybe 30 miles



wth?


:thinking:

[STANG RED]

Originally posted by necks_c/09
Nobody said we had to move...


but when we play Columbus tonight and thats like a 2 hr drive....


when bellville is like 20 min away......



columbia- 90 miles

bellville-maybe 30 miles



wth?


:thinking:

You wont get much sympathy from West Texans for a little ol 90 mile drive. Thats just a little jaunt down the road out here.:p

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by ronwx5x
I'm a little (maybe more than a little) confused. Other than perhaps some small percentage of gate revenues, what does the UIL receive? If you deduce that the UIL may be influenced by large rich districts, maybe I could understand the $ inference. Otherwise I know of no monetary motivation the UIL may have. Help me out here.

The UIL receives 20 PERCENT OFF THE TOP OF EVERY PLAYOFF GAME. NEXT QUESTION

[3afan]

its inevitable that there will be towns/teams closer to you than others that are in you district ... there is no way around that

[Snydertigersrul]

Like in an earlier post, the UIL does not pay for ANY expenses. It's a fact that Central Texas and then East Texas is taken care of first and whatever is left, goes to the rest of us.

[3afan]

:doh:

[STANG RED]

Originally posted by Bull Butter
Up until the mid-80's, 4A(which was 3A prior to 1980) only had 16 districts. Something like that wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility in AAA, but I imagine you would have some really spread-out districts, especially in west Texas.

When Swater was 4A, we were in a district with Ft. Stockton, Pecos, Monahans, Andrews, Snyder, San Angelo Lakeveiw.
Those trips to Ft. Stockton, Pecos, & Monahans were brutal. To and from Andrews was no picnic either.
When your the school on the fartherst east or west edge of a district like that, it makes for alot of travel.

[mustang04]

Originally posted by necks_c/09
Nobody said we had to move...

columbia- 90 miles


:thinking:

90 miles!!!!!!!! NOOOO WAYYY!!!!!!!

[DU_stud04]

Originally posted by mustang04
90 miles!!!!!!!! NOOOO WAYYY!!!!!!! haha seriosuly..... man, those bus trips out to seminole denver city and andrews on yella dogs were brutal..... 90 miles is a cake walk

denver city = 172.42
seminole = 151.25
andrews = 155.63
fort stockton= 213.75
pecos = 203.99
monahans = 164.01


i remember big spring and snyder being the short drive for district. hahaha

[Gobbla2001]

Originally posted by 3afan
what expenses does the UIL have ???

the team pay for the stadium, officials, etc.

did you see the link? had a good breakdown of their expenses...

and you sure are lively lately, I likes...