For those who don't wish to recognize Bonds as the HR king...

[carter08]

recognize the all-time HR leader in ALL of Proffessional Baseball.

Sadaharu Oh- 868 HR's in the Japanese Leagues.

[DU_stud04]

hell only have it for.....i want to guess 6-7 seasons saying he retires this season and arod stays on pace and stays healthy

[thewyliefan]

roids dont make you hit home runs, i think he deserves the glory of this record

[thewyliefan]

once he gets it of course

[JR2004]

I'll still recognize Hank as the record holder for MLB as well as Josh Gibson being the American record holder in homers. I'll recognize those two as the home run kings until Arod comes along and shatters both their career numbers.

[Cameron Crazy]

A-rod deserves it more than Barry!

[JHS_c/o_06']

even though he took steroids......and gave him extra power.......he still had to hit the ball. Which is one of the hardest things to do in sports.

[RMAC]

Had Griffey stayed healthy throughout his career, we might very well be talking about him right now b/c he still has a few years left. Bonds is on life support and is just there to break the record.

[Astrosdawg07]

Originally posted by RMAC
Had Griffey stayed healthy throughout his career, we might very well be talking about him right now b/c he still has a few years left. Bonds is on life support and is just there to break the record.


That is a very good point...

[kaorder1999]

bonds early in his career was hitting the ball well. Was he hitting 70 out of the park, of course not. Take a player that does a good job hitting the ball and then put him on steroids and the homerun numbers will go up tremendously. Its cheating.

[Cameron Crazy]

I think A-Rod will catch him when Bonds retires this year!

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by Cameron Crazy
I think A-Rod will catch him when Bonds retires this year!

i think it would be hilarious if hte Giants just cut him after he breaks the record. The Giants have been getting all that attention they wanted and it would be great if they just released him afterwards....

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by thewyliefan
roids dont make you hit home runs, i think he deserves the glory of this record I sincerely hope you don't believe that.

[Cameron Crazy]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
I sincerely hope you don't believe that. Thats what I was thinking, this guy is crazy!

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
I sincerely hope you don't believe that.

whats sad is some people actually think that.

[Emerson1]

How do we know Ken Griffey Jr. wasn't on roids a few years ago? Maybe that's why he has had a string of injuries now he got off them when they cracked down.

Same with a-rod, he could be on something that isn't detectable right now.

[kaorder1999]

saying steroids dont help them hit homeruns because they still have to be able to hit the ball is like saying a boxer on roids isn't at an advantage because they still have to connect on the punches...

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by Emerson1
How do we know Ken Griffey Jr. wasn't on roids a few years ago? Maybe that's why he has had a string of injuries now he got off them when they cracked down.

Same with a-rod, he could be on something that isn't detectable right now.
you are right but at the same time have we heard from any teammates of them that have said they know they are on steroids or have we had a confession from them saying they took something but didnt know it was a steroid? That is the difference between someone like griffey or arod as compared to Bonds or Palmeiro, etc

[JasperDog94]

I was listening to sports radio the other day and the host (I don't remember who it was) was interviewing a doctor that has done some testing of the effects of roids on lab rats. Through these tests he determined that the rats vision and coordination improved with the use of roids.:thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

[necks_c/09]

until someone can prove without a doubt that he took steroids ill continue to like him


and if u dont like him b/c of the accusations then u should condemn sosa, sheffield, and mark maguire(sp*) also.....

and i dont care if he was on steroids.....plenty of other players are on them as well.....

and if i recall when and if he was doing them there was no policy forbidding them so what he was doing was perfectly legal....


please tell me if im wrong on any of this b/c my opinion could easily be changed.

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by necks_c/09
until someone can prove without a doubt that he took steroids ill continue to like him


and if u dont like him b/c of the accusations then u should condemn sosa, sheffield, and mark maguire(sp*) also.....

and i dont care if he was on steroids.....plenty of other players are on them as well.....

and if i recall when and if he was doing them there was no policy forbidding them so what he was doing was perfectly legal....


please tell me if im wrong on any of this b/c my opinion could easily be changed.

Im pretty sure anabolic steroids have been illegal in the US for many years. If our govt says its illegal than MLB shouldnt even have to have it in their policy.

As far as the sosa and others comment do you not remember when they were chasing records and steroids was an issue? The attention is off of them and on Bonds now because he in on the verge of breaking one of if not the most premeire records in MLB history

[kaorder1999]

another thing I find intersting is Bonds NEVER hit 50 or more homeruns except for the season he hit 73.

[necks_c/09]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
another thing I find intersting is Bonds NEVER hit 50 or more homeruns except for the season he hit 73. now that is very true....

but as far as anabolic steroids go.....nobody can prove that he took that right now.....

i mean there is alot of circumstantial evidence but wheres the concrete proof...?

who says it wasnt hgh or something?

and i wasnt around when they were chasing records....


well i was but i was to small to understand

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by necks_c/09
now that is very true....

but as far as anabolic steroids go.....nobody can prove that he took that right now.....

i mean there is alot of circumstantial evidence but wheres the concrete proof...?

who says it wasnt hgh or something?

and i wasnt around when they were chasing records....


well i was but i was to small to understand

And if it were HGH that he was on, he was still cheating

[Cameron Crazy]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
And if it were HGH that he was on, he was still cheating Yes very true!

[necks_c/09]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
And if it were HGH that he was on, he was still cheating yea but that is not illegal.... and tons of people were and are currently on hgh....

u cant single bonds out of everybody that is possibly on hgh b/c there are other players that took/take hgh/ steroids that affected outcomes of games and playoff races and whatnot....

i mean i realize that the hr record is a little more important too

the solution is to adopt olympic testing standards

[carter08]

THREAD JACKERS :mad: :mad: :mad:

This is suppossed to be about recognizing the acheivements of Sadaharu Oh

[Fal44]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
bonds early in his career was hitting the ball well. Was he hitting 70 out of the park, of course not. Take a player that does a good job hitting the ball and then put him on steroids and the homerun numbers will go up tremendously. Its cheating.

agreed...

[necks_c/09]

who cares.....

if he played over here he would hit about 25 a season......nothing special....just like dice k..


dominant over there....above average here....thats it...nothing special

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by necks_c/09
yea but that is not illegal.... and tons of people were and are currently on hgh....

u cant single bonds out of everybody that is possibly on hgh b/c there are other players that took/take hgh/ steroids that affected outcomes of games and playoff races and whatnot....

i mean i realize that the hr record is a little more important too

the solution is to adopt olympic testing standards

possession of and use of HGH is illegal without accompanying prescription. Also, if a prescription was issued it would be on the persons permanent Medical Record according to law. No MD is his right mind would prescribe a prescription to Barry Bonds. And if they did they would be breaking the law along with Bonds

[DU_stud04]

i disliked bonds from when i was younger.... i told my dad to take back my baseball glove because it had his name on it.... came back with a bobby banilla(sp???) glove :D

idk, just one of those player i never cared for...now his name is big right now just gets the grease hot again like when i received that glove:mad: :mad: :mad:

[buff4life]

Originally posted by JHS_c/o_06'
even though he took steroids......and gave him extra power.......he still had to hit the ball. Which is one of the hardest things to do in sports.

i completely agree...steroids help with strength...but not the hand eye coordination to hit a fastball coming at you at 95 mph...Barry is a great player

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by buff4life
i completely agree...steroids help with strength...but not the hand eye coordination to hit a fastball coming at you at 95 mph...Barry is a great player

who has said Barry isnt a good baseball player? All some of us have said is he is a cheater. Without the extra strength he's hitting a lot of pop ups to right field.

[pirate4state]

y'all better recognize :p :p :D

[buff4life]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
who has said Barry isnt a good baseball player? All some of us have said is he is a cheater. Without the extra strength he's hitting a lot of pop ups to right field.

he just recently got big (the last 6 or seven years) whether it was the help of steroids or jsut getting old and putting on weight...he was still hitting dingers when he was skinny..he is a power hitter...and a great home run hitter and king once he breaks the record...

[kaorder1999]

yeah...the older I get and the more I workout the more i get to look like this...

http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/07/barrysbig.jpg

[kaorder1999]

look at his career stats.....

the older he has gotten, the more homeruns and power he has...

also, the older he has gotten, the less stolen bases he has gotten

Yet, the older he has gotten the more athletic he looks.

[JasperDog94]

I just don't see how anyone can objectively look at the situation and say that he hasn't cheated. And this garbage about other people cheating is a cop out.